Ask a Pro thread

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How to into oil paint?

>>3110037
>>3110036
>>3109988
Is that you?

>>3110056
Heya, what resources did you use to git gud? And where do you get references from/how often do you draw from imagination?

>>3110056
Whats the single most important thing for a complete noob starting

>>3110056
What kinda work do you do and how much does it pay?

>>3110056
Stuff like the pic you've posted can be painted by any intermediate artist. Post better shit or fuck off.

>>3110056
How do you find work?

loomis

>>3110058
Start by drawing first. Drawing will make the painting process a lot easier. Once you get comfortable with line drawing work with values, then try working with a limited palette. Even when working on a piece, starting with an oil sketch isn't a bad idea. And most importantly, make sure you work in a well ventilated area. There are a lot of things I can say about this topic, if your question was more specific, I could give you better answers.
>>3110059
Yes.
>>3110065
Most of the resources that I used to get good can be found in the sticky and artbook thread. Andrew Loomis, Michael Hampton, Ctrl paint, Marshall Vandruff perspective series, and a collection of old master sketches and paintings that can be googled. Also, don't forget to draw from life.
>>3110066
The single most important thing is CONSISTENCY. You can have all the resources in the world but if you aren't setting aside specific time of day to draw then it doesn't matter. One thing I see beginners do is that they set ridiculous goals in the beginning such as drawing 6 hours a day. That's all fine and dandy, but it's very easy to burnout. Instead, start small. Draw 1 hour a day and gradually increase your drawing time.
>>3110068
I do commission work for private clients. It can range from bringing a concept to life to doing portraiture. Varies from client to client.

Is learning to observe, observational drawing and perception really just mileage?

>>3110056

it's weird that someone who is working in the art field, come here and post his art, because of the biased political views of the artist. you know, all the lefty-millenial crap and the 4chan being flagged as a nazi website.

Anyways, How long do a freelance artwork takes you to make?

>>3110084
When you study from an artbook do you read all the pages and don't do the exercises, read all the pages and do all the exercises or do all the exercises but don't read? Should I be copying out all the loomis figures or applying what I learn from the books to my own studies?

Can you live from freelance work alone? How much money do you make? How many hours do you work each day/week?

>>3110056
are you happy?

>>3110073
Any intermediate artist can be a professional?
What do you even think professional means

>>3110073
Just because I draw as well as OP it doesn't mean that I can't learn something from someone. Wanting to be the very best being the best.

>>3110113
*means

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>>3110056

I am doing the right thing by focusing on getting good construction skills and increasing visual library with exercises like this? I've been drawing for 8 months at full capacity trying to git gud

I still need to learn how to Render/Composition/Human & Animal anatomy and presentation skills. I figured It would be a good idea for me to really master construction before getting neck deep into the others. Do you agree?

Anything I could improve that's clearly obvious to your pro eyes? Is the construction legit?
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Thanks, man.

>>3110113
post werk

What kind of resources and methods do you use to learn figure and portrait painting?

where do you get your jobs and would you consider yourself an illustrator?

>>3110084
>I do commission work for private clients. It can range from bringing a concept to life to doing portraiture. Varies from client to client.
post your lewd furries please.

>>3110056
How do I get better with lights and colors? I've been improving the values in my pictures lately, but I've been doing grayscale pictures for around a year already, and whenever I try to apply color they look like vomit.

Second question, I feel that I've been using references as a crutch lately. While I don't trace, I do keep 4-5 reference pictures (lights, anatomy/build, colors, composition, etc) that I observe while I work. Is this okay? I feel naked whenever I try to tackle a picture from imagination.

Thanks beforehand, famalam

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>>3110056
Any tips to get a thicker skin? I realised that I'm pretty bad at taking critique, but that I improve much more whenever I'm encouraged to draw more, correcting my own mistakes as I go.

>>3110346
Any mental problem you have will need months or years of concentrated effort to stop it or find a way to bypass it. Take it from me, I studied human change for nearly a decade and read over 100 books on the topic. It's extremely hard and takes immense effort and consistency, very comparable to art training.

Bump, OP where art thou?

>>3110056
making $60 a month isn't considered freelancing

>>3110978
someones jelly

>>3110056
can you please post a finished piece of yours and not a study. I want to see if you are to be taken seriously or not.

>>3110056
Could you debunk some of the most common advice that is regurgitated on here?

>>3110346
oooh oooh. me. me! i can answer this one!

When you post your work, enter "NoseBro" into the namefield. Then, practice getting harass't

>>3111067
>nosebro is getting harassed

You brought this on yourself

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Sorry, I've been busy. I didn't expect this many questions, I'm really tired from work and other life commitments so I'll try to answer these as succinctly as possible.


>>3110073
You don't have to paint like da vinci to make a living. This is probably one of the biggest memes on /ic/. Once your work is advanced/intermediateish the most important thing is networking. Clients aren't artists( usually).

>>3110076
I found most of my work through networking. It's important to post your work as many sites as possible and get acquainted with other freelance artists.

>>3110085
Yes. However, quick sketching isn't the most efficient way to improve your observational ability. If you want to get better at drawing what you see, you have to take your time. REALLY measure the angles and proportions until you can make them as exact as possible. Look up Bargue Plates.
>>3110086
3-12 hours
>>3110093
Theory and application should be done in conjunction. Try to apply your theory as much as possible. If I read a book on perspective, I immediately try to apply that by drawing backgrounds. Ideally, your practice should consist of 20% theory and 80% practice.
>>3110094
Of course you can. Hours vary from 10-80. You can live on freelance but don't expect a luxurious life early on. I make 1500-2000 dollars USD per month.
>>3110223
Old master studies. Perspective studies. I also took classes at an atelier so I learned a lot from there. Look up jeff watts if you are interested.
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I'm really tired, i'll answer the rest of the inquires tomorrow.

>>3111070
ive been nothing but a pleasant fellow :)

>>3110056
>>3111099
both of these are piss poor examples to show your work. show something that actually got you clients, not this WIP grayscale shit.

>>3110059
Advice to you: You hardcore need to lose the ego. It doesn't matter how good you are, if you're a twat about it everyone will look down on you (if they aren't already)

judging by the few things you've posted, you're good but you've not by any means shown you're as great as you make yourself out to be.

post something finished please, to satisfy my curiosity

>>3111102
>>3111107
Post your work

>>3111099
Thankyou

>>3111099
Is that sucy manbavaran?

>>3111099
what masters do you recommend to study that helped you the most? I'm getting into art more, but I have no idea who any masters are.

>>3110056
Is drawing for 16 hours just a meme?

Hey, buddy. If I shouldn't draw from imagination as a beginner, then what exactly should I be doing with what I've learned from Loomis or simplified Loomis (Proko)?

Apply the measurements, proportion and construction to life drawings?

2nd Question: What method can I grind as a beginner to improve? Draw a bunch of portraits and from life?

Throw a bone to us beginners who are often lost and overwhelmed with "what should I be drawing to improve?"

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>>3111155
No, it's not.

>>3111170

Is there a reason why Asians are good artists? I have a friend who draws for a hobby and the fucker is better than me. Fuck taht cunt.

>>3111177

Higher IQ average on top of scoring better on visual-spatial IQ. They can simply visualize and move 3D objects in their minds better, like autists.

>>3110056

Fellow (semi) pro here.

Here's what I did for figure drawing. I divided my drawing sessions into warm up and main study.

1. Warm ups for me involved doing very quick, full body sketches using newsprint and vine charcoal. These helped me internalize on some level an overall sense of the shape and movement of the body. For example, I remember once doing a sketch based on a reference picture of a ballerina in an extreme back-bent position. I noticed that the back at that extreme of a bend is a lot more angular and sharp than my vague symbol data probably would have had me believe (bent back is like a semi circle). So I internalized this truth about the body and never forgot it. Do a lot of quick charcoal full body line sketches. Be constantly observing and seeing if you can notice and internalize certain truths about the body as you do so.

2. Main study. This basically involved me zeroing in on an aspect of the body and studying and practicing it in detail. So for example. I remember the first thing I started with was the legs. I studied references and practiced a lot, making notes about important points to keep in mind. (The outer calf peaks high, its inner curve peaks lower. The inner bump of the ankle starts higher than the outer, etc. etc.) Do this until you can draw it PRETTY WELL. Segue to my next point. DO NOT BE A PERFECTIONIST. Pencils have erasers. Strive for "pretty well done". It WILL get even better with time. Perfectionism is a fast path to frustration and failure as a beginner. Do not become bogged down on the hand in a neutral position trying to make it PERFECT. Once you can draw that hand PRETTY WELL and you've internalized important points about its construction, try move on to something else (and come back to the hand later!). Savor your accomplishment of "pretty well" and keep your brain excited and invested by moving on to something new. Come back to things after periods. It's like spaced repetition! I found this works for drawing

The studio I worked for sacked me and a couple of other people because of budget reasons a while ago and I'm having a hard time finding any freelance work. How do you find yours?

Post some work from immagination. So far you only show studies.

>>3111185
So why didn't they develop perspective and realistic art like the Europeans? Serious question.

>>3110056
Is it necessary to have someone more experienced supervise your education process? Like, If I actually want to "git gud", should I find myself a teacher?

>>3111270
This is what you guys don't understand about being a professional. It doesn't matter what you can do from imagination. If you need 100 different refs to paint something it does not matter. Stop saying dumb shit and touting about drawing from "imagination" when it never comes into play in a professional setting. You think the art director is gonna look at OP's work and reject it because it's not from imagination? Literally no one gives a shit and you'll probably be laughed at if your don't use reference.

>>3111177
Culture. Your friend just might be more talented, but asians are tryhards by nature. I bet he spends more time drawing than you ever will.

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>>3111287
I believe he meant something like this, an original composition.

>>3111108
he doesn't need to prove himself, OP does.

>>3111281

I don't know

>>3110056
do you do vore commissions?

>>3111287
Here's a setting for you:
AD: Hey anon meeting in 5
Anon: Ok see ya there
AD: Okay so we have this new idea blah blah, anon give us some quick sketches
Anon: Ok let me just pull up my references
AD: ... Wtf are you doing Anon, quick, draw some concepts
Anon: Sorry I need my 40 references to draw

Using reference isn't bad at all, it's good, but don't be fucking reliant on it.

>>3111353
Has that ever happened to you? I'm not OP but I'm a professional and that's never happened to me. In fact I've been pro longer than OP has. In the rare cases that I need to do a sketch on the fly for my AD I just do quick pen sketches in a couple seconds that are a step above a stick figure. I'm not going to make him sit there for 20 minutes while I craft a nice image, references or not. If you're in person you can quickly explain the idea while doing a crude mockup and the technical skill of it doesn't matter. Then you have time afterwards to get references and execute it properly when the idea is approved. Or if the AD is someone you are talking to over email then you have time if you want to hand in something a little more researched.

>>3111353
>actually thinking they require you to draw on the spot
No, you get a time period to show them what they need. If it's wrong and they don't like it, you get another deadline, till everything's approved. Everything goes through the pipeline.

Animators often take videos of themselves or their coworkers doing the motion if they need reference. Of course it's better to have proper knowledge to whip up quick gesture or character concepts but shit nigga this thing requires thought. You can't push someone to design something on the spot in a professional setting, no matter how talented and experienced they are.

>>3111353
Bullshit.

>>3111107
Nah OP already said you don't need to be amazing to work.
If you think you are better, then its not your skills stopping you from getting work.
Its your autism, which is radiating from your posts.

>>3111287
I would say that the point of seeing a pro's imagination work (If you are someone who is worse than the pro) is to know what skill is needed in order to work in what field. And if a skill like drawing from imagination correlates to being good at drawing what others want you to draw. I don't know if what I'm saying makes any sense, but basically, maybe if you're good at drawing from imagination, it will be easier to draw something that the commissioner will like and find closer to what they wanted in the first place.

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How new is this 'drawing from imagination is essential' meme? Don't you anons realize that most artists throughout history either drew from life or used refs? Don't you realize that people like Kim Jung Gi spent an inordinate number of hours drawing from reference before filling up their visual libraries?

>>3111298
Exactly what I meant. Studies are easy but imagination work is hard. You should use refs of course for it too. I would just like to see what OP can do on his own.

>>3111270
funny how you think his portraits from imagination are studies. He's so good he tricked you.

>>3111401
You are saying that while posting artwork made from imagination.

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>>3111423
>artwork made from imagination
What tells you he didn't use refs? Besides, I'm not bashing drawing from imagination entirely, I practice it myself every day. However the artists on /ic/ often take a wrong attitude towards it and give shit advice

What program do you use and what brushes?

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>>3111436
Gennady Spirin draws entirely from imagination AND from scratch, without sketches.
http://tanjand.livejournal.com/1827699.html

I'm not telling it's superior or anything, just something to ponder at. I think the old timey norwegian troll artists drew entirely from imagination too, while having excellent observation.

>>3111401
It's a super old meme that originates from people who drew anime which fundiesfags took to mean that they were drawing purely from imagination and that was not okay because "someone" told them to study first. But really anime is from ref.

>NoseBro invaded this thread

>>3110056

As a beginner, what would a good schedule of 4 hours daily look like? (Study, Books, Courses, Drawing from imagination)

Are professional porn artists like Shadman real artists?

Hello OP, fellow atelier student here.

What are some things we should focus on/practice outside of casts/life/still life paintings/master studies that you found useful early on in your professional career?

Cheers

>>3111471
The best thing for a beginner to do is just draw.

>>3111472
They're not artists.

>>3111436
>What tells you he didn't use refs?
You reckon trolls really enjoy posing for artists?

>>3111490
>he doesn't know how to use refs
Take a floor mop and a potato, and bam, you have a troll. Even in Manben there's a mangaka that uses everyday objects, like an ashtray for a spaceship. It's not surprising that imaginationfags aren't familiar with this method

>>3111177

I had a professor say that they are pretty good visually because they grow up learning to write symbols and stroke order and all that.
Naturally, I think if you got an asian and some dude who both never drew in their life I would say the asian would fare better.

>>3111502
Not all artists do this shit, a lot of them really can draw cool stuff from imagination. I'm pretty sure John Bauer was one of them. It's not surprising referencefags can't even imagine this.

>>3111506
Asian who didn't grow up learning to write symbols and stroke order. Can confirm this is not true. If anything, it's the work ethic they've got from their expectations and environment that leads to their skills. Filipinos and Vietnamese people are just as good and they don't write symbols and stroke order. These are more often than not the people who draw anime too. Chinese people on the other hand are almost always good at anything. Don't meet many Japanese or Koreans though, but usually Japanese are preconditioned to drawing. I think because of their manga and anime culture.

>>3111524
>a lot of them really can draw cool stuff from imagination. I'm pretty sure John Bauer was one of them
Again, I'm not against drawing from imagination, unless you've attained KJG level if used in conjunction with refs you can make a pretty solid drawing. Also

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Bauer_(illustrator)#CITEREFBjurstr.C3.B6mLindqvistB.C3.B6rtz-LaineHolmberg1982
>His encounters with the Sami people and their culture became important for his later works. He took many photos, sketched and made notes of the tools, costumes and objects he saw, but he had difficulty becoming close to the Sami, due to their shyness.[16]

>The book on Lappland was published in 1908, with eleven watercolors by Bauer. They were painted in Stockholm, almost 18 months after his visit, using the photos and sketches he had collected during his journey.[19] Many of the photos resulted in other drawings and paintings. Most of these were romanticized versions of the photos, but he succeeded in capturing the nuances and ambiance of the goahtis, and the richness of the Sami garments and crafts.

Don't know if the OP is still here but I might as well ask a few questions:
1. How do you form a good work ethic?
2. Is your studio/office separate from your living space? How do you keep from getting distracted?
3. How do you price your work?
4. How did you first start getting clients? Through social media? Cold-calls? Conventions?

>>3111539
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Bauer_(illustrator)#CITEREFBjurstr.C3.B6mLindqvistB.C3.B6rtz-LaineHolmberg1982
Well, of course he would take photos, observation and learning from life is extremely important, and using refs is important. It's just that he drew his trolls from imagination and didn't need fucking mops for that, because he wasn't a beg tier ngmi without any visual library.

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>>3110120

Bumping this for a response, you missed me OP.

>>3110120
Not OP, but also a working illustrator. It's obvious that you've been grinding your construction, and the sketches you attached look solid. However, I think you should be concurrently working on all your skills, as they're all synergistic and work off of each other. Intensely focusing on one thing at a time prevents you from developing well-rounded fundamentals.

>am I doing the right thing
This is a bad question to ask, and it's not a question we can answer for you because we don't know anything about you. You need to share with us what your goals are, and from there you can get an opinion on whether or not you're taking the right steps to meet those goals.

Here's what I think you should do, and how I would encourage people to really practice: Instead of grinding like you are, focus more on creating finished work. Bring your illustrations to completion. Quit focusing on trying to know everything first, and start creating original, complete work. You'll learn so much more if you create a finished piece and think about what you need to improve on for the next piece. When you're unsure of how to create something for your finished work, just look up references on the spot and work from there.

This is one of /ic/'s biggest problems, IMO - that people here never finish work. They do nothing but sketches, exercises, "speed paintings", etc. You'll never really learn and improve if you don't apply yourself.

Just my thoughts!

>>3111648

So is it really better to work longer on a drawing, but create fewer because of that?

>>3111659
Personally I'd say so. A mix of studies (practicing something you're unfamiliar with) and finished work (application of said studies) is the best way to improve. Finishing work gives you so many benefits that you will miss out on than if you were doing nothing but studies.

Remember - it's not like there are any studies or anything like that regarding which approach is best. Different things work for different people, but I think many people here could focus more on creating more finished work.

>>3111680

what schedule would you suggest for a beginner, who can spend around 4-8 hours everyday, to improve as efficient as possible?

>>3111648
>not spending 5 years working exclusively on your fundamentals
NGMI

>>3111695
This is a question to ask yourself. What do you want to improve on and make a schedule around that.

These are really boring questions and answers.

How do you personally go about studying the fundamentals? Such as composition, line, edge, value, color theory, etc.

>>3111997
Why do you have to insult everyone before asking a question? Jesus Christ, just ask your shit without being an asshole.

>>3112034
Why are you taking the shitposting of a namefag that thrives on negativity so seriously, just don't reply nigga.

>>3111997
>These are really boring questions and answers.
>proceeds to ask just the same kind of question about OP's personal approach as a shitload of questions above

>>3112034
I didn't really mean to be insulting. But questions like "how do you oil paint" and "what's the most important thing for a noob starting out" and "what kinda work do you do and how much does it pay" and "how did you get good", etc are all pretty boring questions that have already been answered elsewhere on this board. I'm sorry.

>>3112051
I'm not NoseBro. I don't thrive on negativity. I'm just here to help people improve their work and try to improve my own. I've been here long enough that people should know at least that much about me.

>>3112052
I was hoping for an in-depth, insightful answer specific to OP. Something I could discuss in further depth and maybe take away and bring into my own workflow for the better. But from what I've seen so far, I'm expecting something more vague like "I just drew a lot and used my brain".

>>3111648

Thank you for the response, Anon. I appreciate it.

>>3112089
I thought we were pals...

Op how did you personally choose what colors and values to paint with in these pieces.

If it's more than guesswork, I'd be interested in what's involved in your thought process/rationale

>>3112236
OP hasn't posted anything with color, how do you know he's good at it?

>>3112238
Because he posted this, you newfag.
>>3110036

>>3111099
>Clients aren't artists( usually)
dont you feel bad for scamming people with mediocre work?

>>3110056
The art is not done by the OP, it's done by my friend who never visits /ic/. I just talked with him about this and we both reported the thread as rule violation.
Same counts for >>3110036

It's nice that somebody wanted to give advice to people here, but please do this with your own art next time.

>>3112388
nice try nosenigger
always backpeDdAaLliNg

>>3112388
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>>3112089
>But from what I've seen so far, I'm expecting something more vague like "I just drew a lot and used my brain".
More like "do master studies". And that's a good answer.

>>3112388
So how did OP get these works?

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Can you imagine being an attentionwhore of such massive proportions that you'll have to steal other people's art to have a validation for spouting your retarded "advice"?

wwww

>>3112388
hm. and OP was pretty eager to give "advice" to whoever asked. why though?

>>3112388
How can you prove your words? Can you post your firend's blog/gallery where we can see the works?

>>3112417
no I cant. like I said he doesnt visit /ic/
take my word for it and please report

>>3112420
Post his blog or deviantart or stop your trolling. If they were stolen then they would have been stolen from some kind of blog

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>>3110056
>>3110084
>>3111099

>pro
BEG
do your LOOMIS

>>3112409
to him its like anons sucking his cock

>>3112427
loomis could post on /ic/ and you would probably tell him to study loomis.

>>3112427

Post your wNo you know what

How about instead of posting your work you post your idea of what constitutes good work

We all know you're shit, let's confirm that your TASTE is also shit

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>>3112430
it doesn't get any better than this here. this is the peak of art, both in technique and concept.

>>3112420
>take my word for it
lol no. then where did he get the pictures from, faggot?

>>3112422
if he's right, there's no reason to invade his privacy and post his blog. he didn't ask for this.

>>3112434
Blogs aren't private, the whole point of them is so that people can see your work.

>>3112420
>believing anyone from /ic/ without proof

I'm doubting OP, so why should I even bother with you?

>>3111456
I mean, guy finished TWO traditional art schools in Soviet Union, so I presume he was taught fundies first.

>>3112447
Surely.

>>3112450
you need to stop

>>3110056
everytime I draw I try to use my solder first but when I use my shoulder or elbow my hand shakes do you think I can get better at this or is it some kind of medical condition and did you ever have trouble with this?

Lol OP, who are you? I guess it's a little flattering but im just thinking "why?". You say you're busy with work and then posting an image i made several months ago. Next time when trying to claim ownership of someone elses stuff at least have good timing.

>>3112490
So, you're the author? That's good, now just post your work and we'll finally know who we should believe.

>>3112417
>>3112388
Link us to a blog post of him saying that the person who posted the work on /ic/ isn't him and link to proof that they published the work prior to the thread creation.

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>>3112490
>OP made a retard so butthurt that said retard is going to pretend to be the original artist of all the art
Have a (You)

>>3112490
Where is the location of this piece that you posted several months ago? I can't find this piece anywhere other than this thread.

http://www.conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php/236636-(%E3%81%A3%95%E2%80%BF%E2%80%BF%95)%E3%81%A3-Uiriamu-s-sketchbook/page50

Page 49. 11 november 2016. Lol.

>>3112507
>>3112510
>anime avatar
>21 years old
Well the age/gender/demographic definitely checks out for 4chan and now that we have the sketchbook this means that we can reverse engineer what this artist did to get good, despite those retarded CA shits locking everything behind a paywall.

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First image on thread:
Uiriamu: July 5th, 2017. page 51.

BTW Uiriamu are you pro?

>>3112515
I found the photoshop brushset that Uiriamu mentioned
http://digitalbrushes.tumblr.com/post/104316925170/wangjie-li-photoshop-brushes-download-links

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And if you check their art out they got really good at scenery within a single year and within a few months after that they were great at humans.

>@Ubem - I hear you... An atelier is a great resource, for sure. I'm very blessed to live in Sweden where most education is free, or at least so you can apply for a study loan which it is in my case. I'll have quite a hefty debt once I'm done though. Honestly, I'm not so sure what my goals are. So much has changed since I began my studies. At first I thought I was very into digital and concept art, but just the thought of doing concept art now doesn't tickle me as much anymore. Most likely some kind of fine art traditionally once I've painted a little bit more. Do you mean brush strokes in Photoshop? I think I found some cool brush pack (Perhaps Wangjie Lie's?) somewhere and I'm using a lot of mixer brush. Thanks for the encouragement dude Much appreciated!

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> And even though I did school work for literally 13-14 hours a day, I couldn't shake the feeling that it wasn't enough. I spent a few days home, doing absolutely nothing, but the stress and workload I had put on myself caused some severe and torturous insomnia. I simply passed out from exhaustion eventually but woke up 20 minutes later
W-we're never going to make it guys

>>3112513
>February 9th, 2012
>My name is William, I'm 21 years old!
...

>schoolwork
Not a pro then
>>3110056
>freelance artist for the past 3 years
and not OP

Do not believe him. Just draw from IMAGINATION. 1-2 hours per day is enough!

>>3112526
They're still in the twenty something range. My only consolation is that 21 isn't that far away from my age.

>>3112527
You never know with freelance shit, I was taking 200 USD commission requests when people were telling me to fuck off back to /beg/

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HHAHHAHHAHAHAHH WHAT A FUCKING KEK

>>3112587
Do you mean cuck?

>>3112587
>>3110056
>Ask a Pro
Will I make it if I finally accept that my best friend is fucking my girl?

pffff I can draw better than him

>>3112587
wew

>>3112587
WOW

Not OP - but I've seen a lot of people in this thread degrading OP's work as bad and not up to snuff with actual, 'professional' work. That's fine if you all think OP is not a good artist (or a huge douche), but that doesn't mean that they're not a working artist.

I cannot stress enough how skill alone is not the end-all, deciding factor in regards to whether or not you can be a freelance artist. You do NOT have to be extremely skilled to find work. What you do have to have is the business sense to carefully market your current skills to the decision makers who need it.

The difference between a good artist who never finds work, and a bad artist who is drowning is it, is that the bad artist actually bothered to treat their art as their business, while the good artist coasted along doing nothing to advance their career.

>>3112637
But hes not working freelance

>>3112587
https://www.instagram.com/uiriamu/
so op is not even the artist, great.

God this board is so shitty. A guy comes and wants to share his knowledge and the shitters can't appreciate it. The worst part is that people worse than OP dare to talk shit about him, this is what makes /ic/ so bad.

Just so you know OP, I appreciate your effort and I thank for every tip you have given so far, don't be discouraged by some useless fuckers, you can make it.

>>3112399
And how do you know which masters are strong in composition or colors, or even values or edges if you're still learning those things?

For example: When I study values, I think of the value relationships. What makes something pop, what value would give appropriate depth or indication of the facing direction of a plane? Which values should pop more and which values should recede into the background for the overall best impact?

For composition, aim for balance. Visual weight balance, spatial balance, tonal balance, etc. This is easy to study if you do thumbnails and 3-tone value sketches. Or the fact that composition is less about subliminal lines that lead the eye and more about areas of interest that "magnetically" attract the eye in an order of visual interest.

For perspective, draw boxes in accurate perspective. Then move on to more complicated block shapes as you get better.

For color, I try to adhere to color temperature, and a basic color harmony. Blue and orange is a basic one that works. I also try to pick colors that evoke a certain mood or feeling. I also try to add little dashes of subtle, radical ranges of color that can't individually be noticed when zoomed out, but add some color depth and mood to a piece.

So yeah. "Study the masters" is a pretty boring answer if we're going to have a dedicated "ask a pro" thread. But hey, I guess that's just me.

>>3112646
OP is not the artist. It's just another toxic /b/-tier fag on /ic/. Business as usual.

>>3112665
obviously, why is the thread so long lol? i bet the op didn't even expect this, just a few insults hurled at the mediocre op image.

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>>3112587
this is him.

definitely looks like someone who would fight the patriarchy by being in an open relationship

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>>3112587
WEW LADS

Another good artist fell victim to /ic/ doxxing and harrasment..

At least in this case, unlike previous cases, he isn't really that good and he was also kinda asking for it with his piss-poor attitude

>>3112676
>Another good artist
>At least in this case, unlike previous cases, he isn't really that good

Seems legit.

>>3112587
>>3112672
lmao what a cuck

>>3112587
Wait so that's his friend kissing his gf? I thought he meant his gf was also his friend and that he was kissing her?

>>3112672
>this is him.

Have you checked out his Instagram page?

The guy is fucking brilliant.

>>3112694
Looks like he only got gud in the last two years, since he started attending atelier

>>3112699
>learning how to meticulously measure like an autist and spend 4 hours building values makes you get gud

who knew

ebin thread

>>3112705
4 hours? Lmao

>>3112705
>4 hours
He said he spent two weeks on a figure. Probably good for learning though

>>3112711
https://www.instagram.com/p/BOFbeY6BNyJ/?taken-by=uiriamu

>>3112712
where did they find a guy to sit still for 5 weeks

>>3112713
It was a fresh corpse.

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So is uiriamu a working artist or not?

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>>3112587

>>3112712
And then you look at the work of people on /ic/ who are shitting on him.

There are working artists attending ateliers. It's not unheard of in the slightest.

Get out of your anime bubbles you incels

>>3112723
Some people on /ic/ just want to learn how to draw anime better, not render some guy for 5 weeks so they can get a better handle on value.

>>3112712
I don't understand. How can something like this take over 150 hours? Even assuming the measuring took 10 hours, what are they supposed to be doing in all that time?

>>3112730
It's pretty big paper and since it's so realistically done, obviously he spent a lot of time building up values. I think it's typical for traditional work to take a long time though, when I did a cast, it took a while too. Digital is like blazing speed in comparison.

I'm waiting for the scrubs who are shitting on him to post their work.

>>3112733
It was such a mistake to start with digital. I cannot get into traditional because of all the fucking prep work and patience you need. I don't go beyond pen drawings and ambiguous charcoal portraits, the kind where you lean on the viewer's imagination to fill in details.

>>3112734
They wont, there just going to keep making fun of someone better than them to make them fell better about there shit art.

>>3112737
traditional is waste of time, its rendered obsolete now that we have digital, why would you cry over that.

>/ic/ doesn't know about long pose figure drawing
How is it even possible?

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>>3112728

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>>3112672
>>3112587
>>3112721
NoseBro and his discord friends trying hard

This is like the best thread ever.

>>3112741
It's not the sticky.

Oh lots of comments, if you want to find out my instagram is Uiriamu. That picture with the girl and the guy kissing which I made several years ago. Obviously it should've been "My friend and his GF" lol. And to those asking if I'm WORKING as an artist professionally yet the answer is no. I'm doing my last year of academic studies at Swedish Academy of Realist Art. Sure the OP has given sound advice, but the art isn't simply his which makes this whole thing really weird. And why me lol, there are countless of better artists.

>>3112763
>And why me lol, there are countless of better artists.
All the artists here are at a much lower level than you are, but want to know how to get to your level.

>>3112763
But what if your'e not real Uiriamu?

>>3112765
You can send me a DM on instagram all you want if you're so eager to find out. In the end it really doesn't matter. My anonymous word against whoever made this thread. Guess I should be thankfull for the free advertising.

>>3112770
So you are not the op?
How did you find this?

>>3112783
some one told him probably

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>>3112763
You think you'd be able to live off your skills if you had to? It's hard for beginners to understand at what point you can turn pro but it's kind of crucial.

>>3112786
Some other anon from /ic/ with same tier skills already work as freelancer. You can draw portraits at minimum

>>3112790
>Some other anon from /ic/
Who? Blogs?

>>3112740
>traditional is waste of time

talentless fuck

how lucky you are that mediocrity is the new high bar

>>3112797
I never made a traditional piece in my life and I am better than you, how does that feel you fucking moron

>>3112783
No, i am not the OP. My friend messaged me today and told me this was going on.

>>3112786
Honestly I have no choice really. I can't do anything else so this is my only shot. If you're doing what you love and get really good at it you can absolutely live off of it. We see people doing it everywhere.

Look at art that really inspire you and set that bar really high. Be critical of your own work and always ask yourself on how you can get better. Look at anatomy, perspective, values, color, lines, narrative and composition. Just draw every day, keep that machine going.

>>3112790
Absolutely!

>>3112741
None of these dipshits ever leave their room.

>>3112798
Like I said, computer art is for the mediocre as it does everything for you.

That's what you are boi, mediocre.

>>3112802
This thread should be immortalized to demonstrate how ignorant and pathetic /ic/ really is. Better than other boards my ass.

>>3112763
Glad you're not a cuck. Keep up the good work anon

Looks like Nosebro went full retard
>>3112831

>>3112837
Report/Hide

OP , are you Me? :|
Scratch that, we've interacted on permanoobs... if you really are Uiriamu

All of the advice he gave was pretty solid.

>>3112879
Hehe yeah! Glad to see a fellow Permanoober, you migrated to sketchlab yet?

>>3112884
Sketchlab? Is that the new permanoobs?

>>3112886
Yes, check it out. :)

>>3112763
How are you enjoying SARA, if you don't mind? It's a bit of a dream of mine to go there (I live in Sweden already), but I'm just not sure if it's worth the money.

>>3112925
How much does it cost? In USD

BUT THEN WHO WAS OP?

>>3112925
I Love SARA. You should come around and visit us here in Simrishamn and see the school. Amazing location. Studies are great, you go through the bargues, the casts, the figures and the still lifes. The environment is great for people who seek to just dive full in into improving and honing their skills. And studying here you have all the time in the world to just practice those fundamentals. I've really enjoyed being here so far and I feel like I've learned a ton of valueable things. I know it's a lot of money, but it's a good investment. Wherever you might be on the scale in terms of art, the teachers here can really help you reach your artistic goals. Come visit us. :)

>>3112927
Tuition fee is 100.000 swedish kronor per year, which is 12,557.00$.

Please check out the website at http://www.swedishacademyofrealistart.se/

>>3112956
A funny memester

>>3112956
I guess we'll never know haha, lets save whoever went through all that trouble pretending to be someone else the public ridicule.

>>3112712
>>3112713
>>3112730
"5 weeks" means 5 weelky sessions, each session is 3 hours. That's 15 hours.

>>3112388
that's absolutely amazing.

>>3113018
Or maybe not, I'm not him actually, so I don't know, maybe they have sessions every day.

Oh look, another time wasting meta thread
>hurr durr tell me your secrets
Fucking idiots

>>3110056
Will the real urianus please stand up

How am I supposed to balance drawing and video games? I love them both equally but there are only so many hours in a day. Especially my work days.

>>3113297
you choose one or the other or both. you already know the fucking answer.

4 hours of pure vidya?
4 hours of grinding drawing skillz?
2/2 of both?
1 hr for drawing and 3 hrs for vidya?


what kind of retarded question is this?

>>3112712
this guy's fucking awesome. everything about his art feels very lively and vibrant, even in grayscale.

>>3113018
>>3113034
>>3112713


I'm >>3112388

5 weeks is usually 3 hours per day, 4 days a week. So if you want to be precise: 60 hours. It's necessary if you want to make a good finished figure study. I'm one year below him at the school and the longest pose I've had so far has been 3 weeks and I can tell you, that 3weeks is nowhere near enough to completely render your figure study.
Some ateliers have figure studies that last a whole semester, I'm happy that we have shorter ones at SARA though.

>>3113348
So >>3113040
What are your secrets to gitting gud? How did you get all your skills from someone who only knows how to draw symbols?

>>3113351
>>3113351
There are no secrets, if you are symboldrawing it means that you draw what you think something looks like, right?
At every atelier you have to do Bargues during the first semester, which is plates drawn by Charles Bargue that you have to copy. It has to be as correct as you possibly can draw it with angles and measuring with your eyes and a thread. This does not allow you to symboldraw!
All the instructed figure drawings and cast drawings we have helps so much too, because you have somebody giving you critique and telling you where you did wrong and teaching you how to fix it.

If you don't have the possibility to go to an atelier, draw a lot from life and observation. Ask somebody ( preferably a good artist ) to critique you.

There is really no secret to getting good, it just takes a lot of practice and time.You just need to work hard to get there.

>>3113360
What do you do after Bargues? You have other classes too as well at the same time right?

>>3113362
Well, we had only Bargues for the first few weeks, after that we had half day figure drawing, half day Bargues. After that the usual day is that you spend half the day working on your cast drawing and half the day on your figure drawing. Except for Fridays, where we have gestures/anatomy workshops/portrait/lectures. When you are in your 3rd year you do still lifes instead of your casts.
The teachers are super nice, so if there is something you have to ask them that is outside of what the lectures were about or any school stuff they will often help. : )

>>3113368
Were others pretty accurate after a few weeks of Bargues? Was it the same for the figures and cast? Also, why is still lifes after all of those? Seems like it would be the first thing. Thanks for answering by the way.

>>3113368
sounds mentally exhausting
i bet it trained your patience

>>3111107
>You hardcore need to lose the ego. It doesn't matter how good you are, if you're a twat about it everyone will look down on you (if they aren't already)

Complete and utter horseshit that doesn't even make logical sense. If you are objectively superior and have already asserted your superiority, anyone who is inferior to you physically CAN NOT look "down" on you. They are below you, and can only see you by looking up.

SO HOW DO YOU FUCKING NETWORK?

>>3113485
Make awesome work and show it to the right people who will commission that work.

>>3112587
TOP LEL

>>3112764
>All the artists here
you're wrong there buckaroo

>>3113501
Speak for yourself.

>>3113485
I got my network by having a few inhouse studio jobs and getting to know the people there.

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>>3113379
People usually get pretty accurate near the end of their first year. Some more than the others. ( depending on how good they were before attending school )
It's unrealistic to think a few weeks of Bargues make you pretty accurate, but they do help you a lot with knowing how to measure, draw what you see and not symboldraw. But as I've seen most people who finish the whole program become very good artists.
The reason for the still lifes being after the cast drawings is that you paint them in oils. Which you start doing after understanding values and accuracy well from drawing the casts in charcoal/chalk and charcoal. The still lifes are also in color, which adds a bigger difficulty to it all.

>>3113387
It's mentally exhausting, but after a while it becomes normal : ). And yea patience is the first thing you have to learn.

There is a little before and after thing on the site of the atelier:
http://www.swedishacademyofrealistart.se/galleries/before-and-after-2/ in case someone is interested.

I wanted to post a before school and near end of first year figure, but all the ones I've posted on permanoobs are gone. So here is 2 portraits, both were done in only a few hours. The first one is in my first week of school and the second one from the weeks before the vacation.

Sorry for tripfagging, it just makes everything easier because of people like >>3112420 that wasn't me.

>>3113493
I already told you, you fuckwit. That wasn't what I meant.

>>3113540
Can I do Bargue in digital? Or traditional is must have for this kind study? Do you always paint using soft round brush at first stage?

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>>3113544
:)??

>>3113546
You can do them digital, I think a benefit from doing it digitally is that making a change is waaaaay easier and faster. While with traditional it will teach you how to use a pencil without damaging the paper and is also better for your patience.
Noah Bradley has a vid where he does one digitally, but he hasn't spent enough time on it in the vid so it's not super accurate, but if you are interested check it out:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgJXyEsakC8

Pic attached is my 3rd bargue.

I still recommend going to an atelier over doing these things on your own. Or at least finding somebody who is able to give you proper critique when doing it.

About the soft round brush, it's just a brush, use whatever you like! I personally hate it and use a half-soft texture brush for everything.
I think >>3112763 uses the soft round brush a lot more often. But I'm not entirely sure : ).

>>3110058
Don't listen to >>3110084
If you always practice each medium as a mere extension of drawing you will never learn anything.
I am not saying to not practice drawing beforehand because it always helps if you have some sort of basis but really, this could also be said for learning how to sculpt before learning to paint.
Get the supplies and start.

>>3113564
>12000$ for a year + living money
not everybody is a fucking millionaire

>>3113564
Have you just posted your name there?

>>3113564
You suck. Quit giving advice.

>>3113580
Didn't even saw it was on there, I don't care though.
>>3113584
Never said I was good, how are you doing Nose? : ) Have you started drawing more than 45minutes a day?

>>3113587
Wait, I'm confused. Are you Uiriamu or not, or are you Kristina Djordjevic? Or both?

>>3113590
No, no. I'm not Uiriamu, the paintings posted earlier in the thread are his.

I'm the one who told him about this thread because I browse /ic/. But we go to the same school. I've posted my schoolwork as a help to answering some questions. I'm sorry for the confusions. I used the name Ven because that's what I go by on the /ic/ discord.

I'm very sorry for the confusion, I just wanted to help with answering questions.

>>3113584
>You suck.
Clearly, she does not.

>>3113598
If I don't have the opportunity to go to an atelier can I just hire a tutor?

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>>3113599
It's fair to be critical. The studies look good, but her original pieces still require a lot of work.

That's not how feathers, hair, or clouds look, the skin lacks color variation, the shading lacks life, the stick looks like it's glued to her forearm, all her faces have the same look (especially expression wise) etc.

She's def on a good path though, and has irl artist friends which is an insane plus.

>>3113607
>but her original pieces still require a lot of work.
I only saw this study>>3113564 and it is very good. I was just replying to envious nosecuck.

>>3113607
>>3113613
And also "you suck" is not criticism. Especially coming from someone miles behind in skill.

>>3113599
Even though she rarely posts I want her to stay on /ic/ and never become so pro she leaves like everyone else who gets “too good for this place“ . I've talked with her a few times on discord, she is like a bright light of kindness this place needs.

>>3113657
there are a couple pros, they just hang back and don't post as much or get involved when beginners wail and whine.

>>3113587
No, but I'm still better than you either way.

>>3113613
i wonder how much better /ic/ would be if before someone interprets some piece of art they say 'imho' like 'imho it's very good' not 'it's very good'

everyone always puts their opinions here forcefully as if they're issuing a challenge, or worse, stating a fact.

>>3113685
I am stating a fact. Her study here >>3113564 is very good.

>>3113685
btw i'm not saying the poster is wrong, just making a general observation, looks like a perfectly reasonable first year drawing to me. depending on the school might even be top of the class.

>>3113688
no it's not a fact my friend lol, it's your opinion. there is no objectively good. but perhaps instead of saying imho you could use more descriptive words, it wouldn't make it facts but it would make it harder to argue, you could say that it's an accurate study for example. no one could really say different.

kinda exposes your weak argument though, i do admit.

>>3113696
>there is no objectively good
Stopped reading, fuck off.

>>3113696
>there is no objectively good
That's just wrong, a study is rated by how close to the original subject it is. imho you are just retarded.

>>3113696
>there is no objectively good
Nigga what

>>3113685
There is no such thing as a "humble" opinion posted on the internet. If you're "humble" about something you don't shout it to the public from the rooftops.

Fuck, if you don't even believe what you're saying is true why would you even hold it as an opinion. Fucking retard. If you feel the need to precede your opinion with an "imo" or any variation thereof it's a signal you should just fucking drop it.

(You) get a therapist. (YOU) get a therapist. (YOU) get a therapist!

>>3113699
so call the study accurate

this is the argument, as far as i could tell between you and the other guy

he said like,

her original work isn't good

you said,

but this study is good

do you mean to tell me that in the context of that conversation you only meant to say that it's an accurate copy? because that's almost a non sequitur. if on the other hand you were implying the copy has some kind of artistic merit, or that it implies something about her skills then that makes sense, and if that's the case then it was just your opinion. because i don't think it's a universally accepted fact that being able to copy something makes you a 'good' artist.

>>3113712
No, it's an argument between me and the other guy, and it stopped when I posted this>>3113698

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>>3113712
>semantics

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>>3113568
this
read loomis's Eye of the Painter if you are having difficulty switching from drawing to painting.

>>3113788
Is reading text for ants part of training the eye?

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Is OP here still, I wanna ask if he does personal tutoring. Would it be possible for you to do weekly critique/homework, I feel like I'm floundering if no direction is given (I work best in a class/homework structure) and it would be great if I could get someone just to get me going in the right direction.

Here's my stuff so far so you can see where I am currently, if it would be possible I could discuss my goals so you can get a good idea on what level I'd like to reach.

http://clarkes-art.tumblr.com/

Here's a dump mail so you can message me if you're up it, if not no worries.

[email protected]

>>3110056
>female hunter/warrior

foundationally wrong

>>3113876
>current year
>foundations
sToP

>>3113863
Honestly, I would highly suggest you create a sketchbook on Conceptart.org or similar websites because from what I have gathered 4chan is just insanely aids. This websites reputation have always been the sewage waste of internet. Best of luck!

Imagine being this guy >>3113876

>>3113907
He's a cool poppa and you're just an anus

>>3112388
>roleplaying as a professional artist online
OP has probably been drawing for three weeks lmao

Do you have a day job? Because 2000 a month is nothing in America.

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>>3113587
youre not responding to me, but heres a reply from me: you're wasting your time with these over intricate studies

>>3114032
Because drawing shitty doodles from imagination is a better way to use your time huh?

>>3114032
She's way better than you.

How is someone this delusional? If you converted your imagination abilities to digital, you'd be 20x worse than if you converted her traditional abilities to imagination.

>>3114054
>digital
I meant traditional.

>>3113564
What kind of lead do you use for your traditional work? 2B?

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>>3114032
I sometimes wonder, do you honestly consider yourself good?

>>3114127
You have to be delusional not to see NoseBro is good.

>>3114489
is nosebro better than sycra tho?

>>3114492
Obviously not, NoseBro doesn't have as much experience as Sycra.

>>3114489

"good" is a subjective measurement. Craig Mullins probably wouldn't be impressed by his work. Your average junior highschool student would probably think he's fantastic. The fact that you think he's good and others don't only really indicates where on that spectrum you both sit.

>>3111648
Genuine, solid advice. Noted and will bring more concepts and sketches to completion. I've started doing it lately and noticed it helps me point out my flaws and gives me a direction to move toward with my studies and works in the future.

So far you're entirely right.

>>3114127
he's not that good, and his stubbornness in not using reference is slowing him down.

But at least he puts effort in, he's drawing a lot and shows it, unlike 90% of ic who do nothing besides shitposting and laugh at people who actually draw

>>3114127
He is good tho? Lots of room for improvement obviously, but he knows what he is doing at least for line art.

What is the /ic/ discord?

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>>3114492
no.
>>3114127
It's a toss up really, at my level itd be hard to say im not good and get away with it irl. Even on i/c to most people they're too far below me to truly gauge my level. I'm not at pro level yet, and I am admittedly taking the long way there, but i'd say im decent by most metrics.
>>3114489
your support is mildly appreciate it, but it's not about delusion, just about how people scale people together. If people keep comparing me to Amundsen, ill always come out as being bad.

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>>3112390
>nosenigger

>>3113540
>>3113564
are you the OP? Jesus, you said you've been a freelance artist for 3 years yet all you post is observational college studies, wtf?!

i would think freelance work would involve more creativity.

>>3110056
what would be the methodology for painting and rendering a portrait in photoshop?

>>3114801
Yeah, what are your commissions?

>>3114801
That's because the real artist is actually a student, not a professional like the guy in the op claims to be.

>>3114809
Watch a fucking process video and stop asking shitty questions like this.

>>3114801
>are you the OP?
She isn't, but she knows the guy whose art OP posted claiming as his. Read the thread.

>>3114840
>getting angry at the internet
it's good to hear different opinions

>>3114855
Then watch a bunch of videos. Yeah, there are different approaches, every artist uses their own method.

>>3114858
I will, but also, what do you guys think?

>>3114810
costume designs for a fantasy theme mmo
i need both genders of warrior, lancer, archer, ninja, tamer

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>>3112587
this thread just keeps getting better and better

>>3114864
I think you should watch the videos

>>3110120
pls draw me a bug plane car? it'd be a good way to like, improve your skillz

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>>3114917

Huh, you want me to draw a mix of all 3 things?

>>3115118
yes

>>3115140

Well... I have never really designed anything from scratch, must less a crazy mix like that. Any preferences? Must it be inspired in a particular set of insects/vehicle? Any particular purpose or role it must fit?

>>3115151
it's only purpose is to be / incredibly / cool other than that idc,
you do you .

>>3115155
>purpose is to be / incredibly / cool

That's a tall order to fit, sir. I'll see what I can do about it.