So how many of you fell for the git gud at drawing before making

>>3104868
Blog?

It's not a meme tho

>>3104878
just let it die...

>>3104868
soo...now try to clean these lines and render this, let me see how good you became

>>3104879
Okay

>>3104880
I don't know how to render. I just told you, all I did was draw.

>>3104868
Just keep going. I learned a lot by not finishing my pieces and just focusing on basic drawing ability

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>>3104868
>draw finished pieces before gitting gud
But this is what literally all normies do, and it's the reason none of them improve

>>3104868
You should have an understanding of rendering purely through drawing, assuming you've also done a good amount of studies and whatnot. It goes hand-in-hand with form.

>>3104880
I think he's saying he'd be less shit if he fleshed everything out. Maing excuses as usual

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>>3104882
and i just tried to do almost finished faces from imagination for 1 year. Im a meme.

>>3104882
Ever thought that maybe that's the most important part of it? drawing?
ever thought that, maybe, as you could make 10 sketches in the time it takes you to make a finished piece, you could be either be practising 10x proportions, 10x gesture, 10x anatomy, 10x composition, 10x construction, and such, instead of 1x the aforementioned, plus 1x render?
hell, have you even pictured how your draws would be if you had started finishing them earlier on, hence, done a lot less of them?
Maybe the git gud before making finished pieces "meme" was meant to be taken less and less literal the better you become? hence once you feel confident about the fundies it would be a good time to start dealing with finishing pieces?
eh, what am i saying, you are calling it a meme, you are not here to discuss it, you are already sure about it, and there's no way you'll give it a thought about it
at the very least think for a second that you might not be in position to declare which advises are good and which ones are not, but i guess confusing begs will probably workout well for you, as it'll imply less competition later on

>2 years
give it a few more

>>3104880
Why do you keep making threads and complaining? It's been months faggot, just fucking give up.

I am competent artist who has studied anatomy fully. Drew parts and gesture drawings on newsprint with vine charcoal etc. until my eyes bled. Never really even thought about making complete pieces when I was in this intense learning phase, at some point I just put micron pen to paper and just built great figures. It was very liberating, not to mention less discouraging because fucking up the curvature of some leg study with vine charcoal is just not so devastating as having some attempt at a complete work turning into shit.

If this is a "meme" then I will drink that meme-ade all day.

What is literally the deal with /ic/ saying anything that will help them (Loomis, iterative drawing, etc. is a "meme")

I've only been a week or so but Jesus it's a pattern I've noticed.

>>3104875
he probably just stole an image from an obscure pixiv account and cropped it to make a shitposting thread

>>3104898
And by rendering more you'll be practicing 10x more rendering. My point isn't that you shouldn't make sketches, my point is that you should be doing finished pieces alongside your sketches to give you a better direction of where you need to be. You can study fundamentals like perspective and anatomy for an eternity but if you don't do finished pieces you will neglect studying crucial elements.

>>3104907
Because some things help some people and some things don't help. That's how life is in general and you see people complain about it all the time. Only they don't say it's a "meme". They'll probably blame politics, make up excuses, anything that works for them.

It's not a pattern for /ic/, it's a pattern for human nature. Just as 99% of people won't be great, 99% of /ic/ also won't be great.

>>3104906
i never do threads here. Well, i have started to draw and study the whole body in these months and im making progress. I have a lot of time yet, not giving up know, sorry for disapointing you

>>3104884
nice bait

>>3104868
Are you this anon? >>3104761

>>3104963
No, but it did inspire me to create this thread. >>3104961
Nosebro, you're one of the reasons why I'm pushing to finish my work these days. Seeing you stagnate for 2 years because the only thing you do is sketch is completely depressing.
>>3104900
2 years is a lot. There are many artists who went from /beg/ to pro in that time.

>>3104887
Being good at drawing doesn't make you good at rendering you retard. Learning how to render will take as much time to learn as learning how to draw

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I've practiced so many years already and feel like I've finally understood why I stagnated and remain directionless. Going to start finishing my work and see where it gets me, maybe I'll fail but I think it's worth a short to try. I'll keep up with my fundamentals too though

>>3104989
Shot* dammit

>>3104968
>many artists went from /beg/ to pro in 2 years
Name some pls

>>3104968
2 years can be not much and a lot at the same time. It's all about perspective. It's a lot compared to the guy who just started yesterday. It's not much compared to the guy who's been drawing for much longer.

>>3104968
post your blog

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>>3104993
Vetyr and a bunch of random ones on DA. I'll have to dig up their names.

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>>3104993
another

>>3105017
Can someone dig up all the posts trashing on Vetyr and how she's not actually as good as she seems? If there's one thing I love about /ic/, it's how they can see both the good and bad sides of everything.

>>3105017
>>3105019
One thing I noticed about these artists who got good really fast is that they worked nonstop on personal pieces. They don't worry about loomis , DAB or any of that junk that's fed to beginners like gospel when in reality it all comes down to one thing.

>>3105022
That's because they don't care about anything getting in their way of drawing and getting better for their own selves. They just do it. Unfortunately, we're taught not to do that through life.

>>3105017
That's not /beg/ tier desu. The reason I ask is because most people who improve a lot in 2 years go from intermediate or high level beginner to pro. I see sonic brought up a lot too but he was already a high level beginner he made his concept art thread. Not saying this to trash anyone just that /ic/ made me have unrealistic expectations in terms of improvement and it might be throwing you off too.

>>3105028
Whos sonic?

>>3105017
>http://vetyr.tumblr.com/post/164342737995/your-art-is-on-the-login-page
Is this what they call making it? How does tumblr even decide who gets to appear there too? Vetyr is also a lot more popular than I realized, she's gets a ton of notes all the time.

>>3105043
Kek I meant sinix my bad.

>>3105022
Yes anon, I'm sure you skimming through some Loomis books totally is the reason why you suck. Just how delusional are people like you?

If all you do is finished pieces, doesn't that mean you will practice every single individual step?

>>3105094
Learn how to read you retard. That's not what I meant at all

>>3104868
There is a point to learning how to sketch. I learned how to render very early. However, I couldn't illustrate anything good because my drawing skills were behind. So I had to spend some time focusing only on line drawing.

I think a good procedure is to practice line drawing for a week, then to do rendered or somewhat finished pieces afterwards to see where you're at. If you repeat the process, you can practice both with slightly more emphasis on the sketching.

Don't wait for your sketching to be perfect. It will take a while for it to improve. It's best to practice rendering at any level you're at.

Don't think of it as polishing a turd. Think of it as rendering practice. Just remember that there are diminishing returns to rendering. If you've been spending a few hours on something, you ought to think about moving on to the next project.

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>>3104868
OP YOU'RE A FUCKING THIEF

>>3105173
He never said it wasn't a study.

>>3105175
He never said it was a study, Retard. That's the point. People are gonna naturally assume it's his own work.

>>3105173
who's the original artist?

>>3105185
Yo mama

>>3105185
It's from the extremely famous Atmosphere's Sketchbooks that everyone on /ic/ keep jerking over

>>3105190
Who is this "atmosphere" fellow?

>>3105198
Yo mama

>>3105190
It's a collection done by Trigger animators: ebisu yone tarou2
https://mega.nz/#F!aIYFULyK!o_pA0CHTSQHDbf_0P9rV2g

You should do both sketches and finished pieces.
Just like how you should balance between practicing from imagination vs studying from reference.

>>3105173
Nice find. This confirms OP still cant draw and is a fucking idiot.

>>3105243
How does it confirm that OP can't draw? OP's version actually has better head structure than the original one.

>>3105254
fucking retard its energy hiding the eye

>>3105254
No, it does not.
It confirms that op can just chicken scratch copy other peoples shit. I would like to see his own art from imagination.

>>3105254
When you claim you've taken getting gud at drawing "to the extreme" and then all you can post as example of that is a fucking study of someone elses drawing, it's pretty safe to assume you're full of shit.

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>>3105257
>>3105265
These are all from imagination.

>>3105256
What? Are you actually NoseBro or some troll trying to make him seem more retarded than he already is? It doesn't matter if there is energy, a fucking eye patch, or a sack of balls covering the eye. That original drawing has abysmal head structure. The fact that you can't see it indicates that you're a dunning Kruger.

>>3105280
Not even him, but are you retarded or something? The study doesn't change anything regarding the head you moron. The artist doesn't even have the skill to make any fixes to the original drawing, it's a copy and he tried to copy that head to the best of his ability. Of course the original is far superior in every way you Dunning Kruger sufferer.

>>3105279
You're full of shit.
The only reason why you still suck is you keep copying other art. Start drawing from imagination and go from there. Otherwise, fuck off, you have no reason to question anyone.

>>3105301
That is from imagination, stupid. How are u gonna tell me what's from imagination and what isn't?

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>>3105022
It's okay to "study" from life, but the trick in getting better is simply draw cringe, look at your cringe and ask yourself "how did my fav artists make his work look better" then steal from them.

Also, feedback is important.
Usually those who git gud in 2 years have buddies in the industry who actually take time to give very basic advice or even redlines. And if you ever need more advice on how to draw, there's a lot of good image tutorials out there.

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>>3105279
ngmi

>>3105279
>>3105339
>These are all from imagination.

Holy fuck, anon.

>>3105339
goddamn BTFO, /ic/ always finds a way

>>3105279
Why dont you just learn to draw your own shit? Studies from other artists are good and okay, but dont pretend it is your own work.

>>3105279
oh really? If you didnt say it, i would have thought that the girl with 2 meter long pig tails and the guy with cat ears was form reference.

>>3105339
You guys don't understand. All my drawings are from imagination. Basically what I do is I stare at an image for 5 seconds and then draw what I can remember. There is a reason why everything is sketchy and unrefined. It's because I'm still developing my memory. I'm hoping in 3 years I will be at a kjg level

>>3105349
This is still a study you idiot. A drawing from imagination would be you, making a pose on your own, making a design on your own and then drawing it without references for the sketch.

>>3105349
That's not what imagination is, anon.

>>3105351
this

>>3105351
He's so fucking clueless and desperate for affirmation. 5 seconds my ass lmao, retard probably drew on a layer over it considering he doesn't even know what drawing from imagination means

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This is why you ought to finish some pieces from time to time, even if you aren't top level.

is "finished work" a new /ic/ meme?

>>3105420
Everything is a meme. This post is a meme

>>3105351
Whatever, talk all the shit you want. I'm still better than 95 percent of /ic/

>>3105017
>Vetyr
>/beg/
What the fuck? She's drawing since childhood.
>>3105019
Same for him. Search his posts in /alt/ thread.

>>3105451
That is pretty irrefutable but lower the percentage a tad. Perhaps 85% is a better number.

Of course, you're not really the OP of the scribbles, so the percentage is you're worse than 99% of /ic/ due to the inability to draw.

>>3105451
Not with that attitude.

>>3105451
>>3105279
>>3104868
>I'm still better than 95 percent of /ic/
Is this some kind of bait?

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>>3105469
Nevermind.

>>3105472
I'm surprised all the people in this thread did not do this, shocked even. You guys should know better by now.

>>3105472
why would someone do this

>>3104985
I didn't say drawing makes your good at rendering, I said rendering is easier to understand if you have a good understanding of form. Because it's visualizing how light interacts with forms, and you develop understanding of form through drawing.

Please understand.

>>3104868

I had this problem. I used to do shitty drawings for cheap gags over at places like DA and FA for friends I had there. Then I realised I was shit and took everything down so I could learn to draw properly.

I told myself I wouldn't upload until I got good.

I completely sucked the joy out of drawing. I had much more fun doing garbage than I did focusing on the fact that I'm shit and trying to one-up myself with every sketch.

>>3105188
>>3105203
fuck off retard

>>3104868
bait thread but I think its important to finish a piece because when you do you notice a lot more errors then if you just toss it to the side and make the next sketch.

>>3105176
>People are gonna natutally asumme it's his own work.

Ocham's Razor states the hypothesis with less assumptions is more likley to be true.

>>3104868
Yeah you'll learn a lot more if you throw yourself into the deep end every once in a while. If you stick with grinding fundamentals you'll lose a lot of context on what you're trying to achieve and most certainly you'll see significant diminishing returns if you don't take any risk.

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>>3105173
>>3104868
The plot thickens.

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>>3104868
>>3105173
Explain yourself OP

>>3104868
Why don't you make your comic already?

>>3105945
Only there is no hypothesis here, you moron. OP tried to make people believe it's his work and not a study, that's a fact.

>>3106199
Who said anything about making comics? I'm aiming to be an illustrator.

did they ever tell you to neglect nurturing a vision? Because thats half the battle.

>>3106352
A vision? A vision of what? What the hell are you talking about?

>>3105472
OPtard has pretty big ego. Is he 18 years old?

>>3106346
He thinks you're me.

>>3106355
a vision of what youd like to make. your ideal, you know?

cant draw sketches forever. youll sketch yourself into a nervous breakdown. you need that ideal to guide your decisions.

>>3106407
My ideal is drawing qt grills which i'm already doing you pretentious faggot.

>>3106421
well keep pushing that ideal.

>>3106421
i just caught up to the thread. i was going to say something but i see you have been put into a hostile mood.

thats the beauty of pursuing this craft tho. never a dull moment because everyones looking to put you in your (their) place.

some concrete advice? draw slower.

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>OP cries
>OP lies

This is even worse than usual . Get out.

>>3105173
No wonder that pose looked incredibly familiar. Maybe he just saw that picture of BRS some day and it was stuck in his memory. I could have drawn a character in that exact pose too without realizing that I was drawing it from memory

>>3104886
No, they don't improve because they don't study. Finishing and studying are not mutally exclusive. Persisting with a piece is a skill that should be cultivated along with technical skill, i.e. do a lot of unfinished studies but put the time into finishing something every now and then.

>>3105173
literally just shade three fucking bits
rendering done

>>3104989
tell us why you stagnated and remain directionless. might help some fellow d/ic/ks out

>>3107372
What? Are you an idiot? First of all, that's not rendering, that's just the artist using different base tons for different materials. Secondly, why the fuck should they render an anime sketch that won't even be rendered in the finished product they work on?

>>3104868
Yeah, you really aren't good yet. Sorry anon, but this is still a turd.

>>3105022
>One thing I noticed about these artists who got good really fast is that they worked nonstop on personal pieces

That's how I became semi decent at enviroments but I also brushed up on fundamentals when something didn't work.

>>3107069
You're all just lazy to keep a book open. You don't want to put up with the realization you'll be bad for 2 - 5 years before the gains reap the rewards.

>>3105020
well she really isn't that good, but for the fact that she's 17 and made the majority of her progress in the past year means she probably knows what she's aiming for so no one can really say shit without looking like a sad cunt

>>3105173
>>3105243
this is why anonymity is never a good thing for art communities. this happens all the time