Why is the main demographic for art consisted of cookie cutter

> Why is the main demographic for art consisted of cookie cutter porn addicts?

Probably because it's low entry easy money, and isn't really something that will get you shunned or ostracized today in due to just how peoples attitudes are today being "if it isn't hurting anyone who cares". So couple that attitude with the internet where normally someone would come to conclusion that drawing Sonic the Hedgehog porn is a weird thing to do since you are the only one doing that. But now hey look there are 1000 people who are into the same exact thing as me, so fuck mom and dad I am going to go draw Tails shitting in diapers.

Basically it's a perfect storm of monetary incentive coupled with the accessibility of information and networking provided by the internet and this turning a blind eye to acts of degeneracy


> Like, in the past 500 years, art can't be separated from nudity and sexuality.

Ok, whats your point? Themes of sexuality and the naked body have been with art since the beginning. It isn't some trend started just a few hundred years ago, it goes back thousands of years

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> It can probably traced back to the popularity of figure drawing and usage of male gigolos in ancient Rome and Florence

I would say probably even further than that, going back to ancient Greece is a good example. Something interesting I remember reading (can't recall from where) was that art in ancient Greece and probably other ancient cultures had a different attitude in that it was a form of worship to their gods. If that is true then it really seemed only logical that art survived in the Christian culture for as long as it did. So if you account for how long these eras where art was regarded as a religious and spiritual act it really is only a very short time of art history where that attitude has changed.


> Why can't art be modest like it used to be before the faggy italians ruined it?

I don't think the problem was with the renaissance, it with what came after. I think along the way the act of making art lost its purpose to speak in ways we aren't able to with imagery of beauty trying to understand ourselves and the divine. The renaissance still had a lot of that attitude so I wouldn't cast the blame on it.


Well, at least that's what I think.

>>3096153
>Basically it's a perfect storm of monetary incentive coupled with the accessibility of information and networking provided by the internet and this turning a blind eye to acts of degeneracy
I think I agree with you.

>Themes of sexuality and the naked body have been with art since the beginning.
Yeah, but back then we didn't know the purpose of art. Everything that isn't physical labour were lumped together. By the medieval we were supposed to understand that art has a spiritual nature beyond leisure and entertainment, maybe even beyond the catharsis theory as coined by Aristotle.

>>3096160
I think art has always been religious. The thing about the ancient gods is they're basically an embodiment of human's animalistic nature. Sex, wealth, fertility, romantic relationship, they're there. Christianity is more about spiritual perfection, and that's why their art is more like a prayer rather than glorification of sex. It's only in the modern era art lost it's spiritual roots.

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Slightly unrelated note, I've gotten so desensitized to porn that girls posing lewdly while clothed is a lot sexier than nude girls

>>3096514
Go jack off to CFNM and just spend the rest of your life as a homo while you're at it, anon.

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>>3096524
Why would I watch morn with guys in it?

>>3096508
> Yeah, but back then we didn't know the purpose of art.

Probably not, but I think it was just something people were compelled to do. I would say artist were doing to same thing as philosophers in that they would aim their entire being at something in order to find meaning bridging the gap of the known and the unknown that is chaos. That bridge whatever you may call it is god, in that it is how we transcend into the unknown to grapple with chaos. This is why we have so many stories and painting and sculptures of the hero who slays the serpent/dragon and saves the virgin. Which is saying by pushing into what we don't know and combating it we save civilization from being unable to do so.

To sum up what I am trying to say is yes, perhaps they didn't know the metaphysical purpose of artistic endeavors but they understood its rewards and importance and its was their nature to seek the answers like how philosophers sought theirs. They would simply use a different language where one was based in the spoken word and the other in the icons made by the hands.

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> The thing about the ancient gods is they're basically an embodiment of human's animalistic nature. Sex, wealth, fertility, romantic relationship, they're there. Christianity is more about spiritual perfection, and that's why their art is more like a prayer rather than glorification of sex.

I don't think that was the point of the nature of the gods. I don't think it was to glorify the things they did. It seemed more like posing a question how to live in a world ruled by such forces. And on a higher level I think it was more to show how people were lived in suffering due to these gods (or human nature). To try and understand themselves and the root of their suffering. Christianity also deals with the same question, and sufficiently answers it imo. Although I do not agree with the current model the Church is presenting to society, as it has corrupted what their literature set out to accomplish and is need of being demolished and reconstructed. The themes of human nature are not handled the same way by the Christians and the ancients but they are asking the same questions.


> It's only in the modern era art lost it's spiritual roots.

Nothing of true value is sacred anymore. The world is reverting to tribalism and shunning the ways of individualism and personal responsibility. Not only that but you have these nihilistic world views becoming totally acceptable in speech today. Most people won't bat an eye if you say something along the lines of "well were over populated anyway. We'd be better off if there weren't so many people around." I can't think of anything more disgusting to say. And it's that exact attitude where these kids go and decide that nothing really matters and everyone will just die eventually so why not just speed up the process by killing themselves and take a few people with them while their at it.

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I mean geez man, I really blame the universities for this mess. They have screwed up the culture so far I am not sure if we can recover, though I don't think it is impossible just yet (these next few years will answer it for me though). I really hope we find a way soon to replace the universities with a new system. I think that system will probably be online schools. And I think the biggest problem to solve in that field will be the problem of accreditation. If we can solve that the uni's won't be able to catch up (as the old system always dose) and will eventually collapse as I think they will be too busy in fighting with each other, trying to keep their dying narrative alive and failing at keeping up with new technology.

but that's just what I think.

Wow, so much bullshit in so few posts. Fucking impressive.

>>3096746
I am being totally honest.

>>3096746
What makes it bullshit? If I am totally wrong tell me, I don't mind a little back and forth (got me interested in what you mean now).

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>>3096731
>I would say artist were doing to same thing as philosophers in that they would aim their entire being at something in order to find meaning bridging the gap of the known and the unknown that is chaos.
They still do, and have always been, at least in case of credible artworks. The idea of truth as an absolute however didn't exist back then and has recently been lost again among modern artists.

>as it has corrupted what their literature set out to accomplish and is need of being demolished and reconstructed
Can you elaborate?

>The world is reverting to tribalism and shunning the ways of individualism and personal responsibility.
True.

>>3096735
I don't know, I would blame technological progress itself. It's inevitable for humans to lose all their sensibility when they think they can obtain all they want by their own effort.

>>3097136
> They still do, and have always been, at least in case of credible artworks.

Thank god for that.

> The idea of truth as an absolute however didn't exist back then and has recently been lost again among modern artists.

I think not enough credit is attributed to what was known back then. I will acknowledge that our ability to express these things certainly is becoming more capable as time goes on.

> The idea of truth as an absolute

I agree, but what is regarded as true certainly is not. Like knowledge truth will eventually fade and will need to revitalized by the living in order to continue to exist. The living can't live on the truths of the dead. I am not saying to discard the truths of the past but to rejuvenate it other wise we just can't grow and what stops growing might as well be dead.

> Can you elaborate?

I wrote a whole paragraph but it wasn't making much sense and it just failed to answer anything. Trying again.

Put simply I think that narcissistic fanaticism, shallow understanding of how one conducts themselves in Christian doctrine and sheepish religiosity is crippling Christians today. I am not saying they are the worst out there but they really are falling short of their potentials.

> I would blame technological progress itself.

I suppose, but almost anything can be used incorrectly and can become harmful.

>>3096113
Post your deep emotion envoking work then.

>>3096113
nudity ≠ porn

>>3096113
Michalangelo painted the almighty's butt tho. That's pretty lewd

>>3097245
>Put simply I think that narcissistic fanaticism, shallow understanding of how one conducts themselves in Christian doctrine and sheepish religiosity is crippling Christians today. I am not saying they are the worst out there but they really are falling short of their potentials.
Well, it has never been perfect to begin with. When Romans 1 was written, not all christians were correct practitioners either. The most important thing is still piety anyway, the rest can follow.

It is what the modern artists have lost, piety. Without piety, an artist is selfish and/or spineless. And it isn't strictly piety in a religious sense, even in the irreligious sense, which is to become like a pure and vulnerable child.

>>3097258
I'm still struggling with the sketch. Give me some time, I'm not an artist.

>>3097326
That's the point.

>>3096514
This was my fetish before I even got into art. Its not so bad anon, naked girls are ugly.

>>3096733
>Most people won't bat an eye if you say something along the lines of "well were over populated anyway. We'd be better off if there weren't so many people around."
you know that you can cut the world population in half without killing a single soul, right? hint: everyone dies eventually

>>3096514
This nigga gets it

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>>3097665
>naked girls are ugly
There are pleople besides me who think like this?

>>3096113
>thinking nudity and sexuality are inseparable
That's your problem, and you're probably from america.