What's he purpose in learning to draw if you can't

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its not fair to bait this early in the morning. americans are still groggy

>>3050875
Show me one GOOD artist who didn't get any scholarship or mentorship from anyone and got good just by drawing shit at home.

>>3050872
you have access to internet and a computer. you're not fucking poor. start fucking drawing.

>>3050882
I can't improve because there is no one to tell me what's wrong or where I am lacking. I can't even set a schedule because there is no data on what should I learn.
>inb4 just draw

Yeah, I have been doing that for years. Just drawing gets you nowhere.

>>3050884
ngmi

Going to art school to learn how to draw is a waste of time anyways. Go to learn animation, printmaking, furniture/industrial design etc. Things that require specialized and/or equipment/programs that you otherwise would have limited access to.

>>3050884
then just stop? no one needs a whiny cunt like you in the business, fuck off

>>3050893
the same will happen to you, retard

>>3050884
the internet is full of tutorials from people in the industry. There is no need for art school anymore, except for the social side or special abilities like big animation projects. Get over yourself, read some books, watch some tutorials and put in some hours.

If you dont have the guts, maybe art isnt for you

>>3050895
>read some books, watch some tutorials and put in some hours.
Have done that already, but it's not enough. You can get basic abilities but you don't get good if you don't have anyone to point out exactly what's wrong. No one's doing that on the internet.

>>3050897
well first off i dont believe in that. You should be able to see it yourself if you get good enough. Second if you really want it, there are people doing that on the internet. Both Learn Squared, Schoolism, the thing with andree wallin and several other sites have courses with feedback

>>3050897
There are plenty of places that do that. Places like ConceptArt or Deviantart. Join a free online drawing course through edx. Check Meetup for art groups. For fucks sake put some fucking leg work in if you actually want to get better.

I'm in an art school and I still take online classes over summer and go to local life drawing classes.

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>>3050877
Daniel Chavez, Ruan Jia to my knowledge, and to some degree Cole Eastburn, he went to school for 2 weeks before Blizzard hired him, Brad Rigney, Mike Azevedo, Christian Fell (went to a shit concept art uni, which he described was more or less completely useless teaching wise), Ramón Nuñez the list goes on anon.
You're looking for excuses. Buckle down and work really fucking hard and you'll make it eventually, you're in no hurry unless you're dying at a quicker pace than the rest of us.
>>3050897
>I've done that already

>>3050894
I already am in the business, but nice try little faggot

>>3050911
the business of dick sucking

>>3050875
>americans are still groggy
kekers
Dont torture the americans, people need coffee in the morning not troll bait

>>3050909
The point is that only deliberate practice lets you go higher and you can't do it if you can't pinpoint things you have to work on. Just drawing may work if you spend 20 years on it but I can't if I want to have a shelter and food .

>>3050915
you have functioning eyes don't you?

>>3050915
then look into the hack that is Stephane Wootha Richard. He explains how he learned to earn money using 3D and programs that turn his shit into paintings. You either put in time or you hack it. Alot of the best artists trained for a lot of years before finding their own method or their own way, and didnt just get magical advice.

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>>3050877

Ayami Kojima is self taught

>>3050915
There are more than enough resources online available to allow you to practice deliberately without attending art school. If you can't practice deliberately despite all that free information, then you might be a genuine idiot and art school wouldn't help you much either, you'd just be where you are now only with dept.

>>3050945
>being your own teacher and wasting time is somehow smarter than attending to a school and having someone who can guide you and tell what to do

no wonder the beginner thread is so shitty, you are just a bunch of delusional cretins

>>3050946
Why are you looking for excuses to avoid doing what you want to spend the rest of your life doing?

>>3050872
You dont need to waste money on art school. A mentor is highly recommended though. I am sure you can find some 1 locally that works professionally that is willing to help you. I am fortunate enough to have a lot of family in the industry, but if you are trying hard and meeting people you will eventually make beneficial friends.

Also ic can be very help full in between death threats and shit posts.

>>3050948
I don't want to avoid drawing per se, I just want to avoid meaningless drawing and believe me, there's something like that out there, no matter what people told you.

Those who supposedly learned drawing on their own always tend to skip the most important factors that actually had the biggest impact on their skill. They had mentors, they participated in classes, they were a part of online communities that are long gone now. No-fucking-body got good by sitting in a chair and just picking a topic and drawing.

I don't have money nor anywhere to go to learn to draw. I have the worst environment and the least possibilities to learn to draw and because of that I can't do it. And the worst part of it is that you people, who have obviously a lot more possibilities, claim that anyone, literally anyone is able to learn only if he wants to. Just that, a desire. That's false. You can go only so far.

>>3050954
ngmi

Hey OP, what if you actually make projects instead of mindlessly drawing? You can't beat a master level mentor who is a great teacher, but you can do damn well by yourself if you have the smarts and the will to work hard on difficult shit.

Also post your work. Seriously. You could get some direction.

>>3050954
You learn by making mistakes anon, and eliminating or lowering the chance of failure will hinder your improvement.
And as long as you enjoy drawing it is not pointless drawing.
Draw shit, analyze and compare said shit to pros, see what they're doing and what you're not, try again, repeat.
You can do it anon, and so can anyone else that put their mind to it

>>3050877
Basically every anime artists in and outside of japan.

>>3050884
Lol you're a fucking idiot dude

>>3050954
>I just want to avoid meaningless drawing

Anon, you are over the fuck thinking this processes. And if this is your mindset on the subject, you might as well not bother with drawing at all.

>I don't have money nor anywhere to go to learn to draw. I have the worst environment and the least possibilities to learn to draw and because of that I can't do it. And the worst part of it is that you people, who have obviously a lot more possibilities, claim that anyone, literally anyone is able to learn only if he wants to. Just that, a desire. That's false. You can go only so far.

This statement makes no sense since you're on /ic/ and you're posting. Literally, the sticky has the best library in all of the internet as well as the Artbook section. Study up, and draw your favorite shit.

the only thing preventing you from getting good is that you're a huge bitch.

>>3050897
you're right, you should just stop. maybe go check out /cm/ or /y/ faggot.

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>>3050954
I find your lack of faith disturbing

>>3050954
>, literally anyone is able to learn only if he wants to. Just that, a desire. That's false.

Indeed that's false. You also need to work. And also to think. But mostly work.

>>3050954
So what exactly was the point of this thread and why are you still here? So you are convinced that you can't get good at drawing unless some "mentor" holds your hand and pats your ass every step of the way. Okay. Case closed, now leave this board and don't come back. No one really gives a shit whether or not you draw so it's not like there's anything for us to gain by convincing you otherwise.

>>3050875
Funny enough americans are the only ones getting ripped off by art schools

>>3050872
You will never make it, not because you're poor but because you're a whiny bitch with no self belief, just give up now.

I know for a fact you don't need classes, peers or mentors, everything important from concept art.org is in the sticky.

>>3051098
The point is challenge your mentality of "everyone can do it" bullshit. Maybe some can in a first world country.

The point is that you have to be privileged to learn stuff efficiently. You never had a truly hard life and that's why you spout out idealistic shit. I don't hate that other people got a better life but I hate when they talk like they know what they are talking about about stuff they never ever experienced.

>>3051124
>I hate when they talk like they know what they are talking about about stuff they never ever experienced.

You are the only one doing that though. You speak for everyone who isn't at art school or has some kind of private mentor, telling them they can't do it because you say so, completely disregarding their own experience.

The reason why art schools theae days suck is because they have

1) curriculum restraints
2) cannot focus well on each student
3) the teachers are mostly unqualified to teach the subject material (if they were actually good they'd still be working in the industry)

The only type of art education really worth it are ateliers, but you have to really keep up your own imaginative work at home or else you'll end up unable to draw from imagination and with an archaic academic style

>>3051126
Prove me wrong then

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>>3050872
all art knowledge was divined through the first original humans. all art knowledge is passed on through masters in schools. no art is created outside the divine lineage.

>>3050872
The most difficult part of learning, is learning to learn. Your predisposition and understanding of learning will be your biggest advantage/disadvantage when learning anything. No school teaches that.
If you have a computer with internet, you can 100% learn. You have access to THE best information, including the best school curriculum, for free (CGPeers, art book thread). You also have access to all the critique you could want, and in all likelihood you'll get better critique from the net than from school.
The very best art schools provide perhaps 5-10% more than what you can access on the internet for free. It helps, but in the long run that's not very much.
Most professional artists today, and I mean the ones who know their fundies, did not go to school for it.
Someone going to art school indicates their desire to dedicate themselves to art, and they'd make it without school.

>>3050872
Plenty of pro artists are of low income backgrounds. Many did not attend art school. If you really want to learn, you will find a way. Since you're here, you already have access to all the books and links you would ever need. You also have a critique place that's open 24/7. What the hell is stopping you from learning?

I'll tell you. You just don't really want to learn, and you're making excuses to avoid admitting it to yourself.

>>3050909
>tfw my pile actually is less than the left
That must be like millions on the right

>>3050954
Are you salvadorean?

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Look people, I know that the internet gives a lot of information for free and it's a very valuable thing when it comes to learning anything - I agree with that. I just made this thread because I've been feeling very angry, or rather frustrated with myself that I don't know what to do. I still think that having a mentor or someone to help you is very valuable but I guess I can agree that it's not necessary. Maybe I am just retarded, anyway good luck to those who try their hardest on their own.

pic rel is one of my latest studies

>>3050872
Nobody is "fucked for life" in the west. You're just sniveling and blowing snot bubbles because you might have to work for something.
Have you researched all the options? Looked into scholarships, loans, programs, cheaper schools where you can work while you study?

Of course you haven't, because you're weak and useless and would rather throw a meaning less tantrum here, rather than trying.

Asshole, millions of dollars are out there in the form of grants, loans and scholarships. The only fault is yours, that you don't have any of it. You have a computer and internet access, use it for something else than drawing porn.
But why bother giving you advice - you've already given up, before even starting. Enjoy your life of failure. You built it - now fucking live in it.

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>>3050912
being this butthurt

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>>3051299
>grants, loans and scholarships
these exist for the sole purpose of supporting non-whites or to keep obliviously innocent children inside educational facilities.

>>3051344
>it's the white people don't get scholarships meme
stop

>>3051344
>white people don't get scholarship
You don't deserve any if your this stupid.

>>3051349
didnt say that. non-whites just get scholarships targeted specifically for them. if you want a scholarship you have to be studying academically with excellent grades to go along with the SJW story you're selling.

>>3051344
Nonsense. You're another crybaby that's done NO research at all.

>>3051353
you're*

>>3050884
https://youtu.be/k3Al7QAS89s

>>3051355
Because they are more likely to be unable to pay for schools in comparison to white people. There are plenty of scholarships that don't target minorities specifically, I really don't understand how realizing this is somehow SJW

>>3051366
what do the scholarships target then? why do they exist? basically, if there is competition for one you aren't going to get it unless you've already been studying academically for grades with a scholarship in mind. or you're non-white. it's not a viable path to take for everyone else.

>>3050877
Dave Rapoza.

He's like 30, started when he was 19-20ish. He never went to art school.

>>3051448
Nah, your just being a fucking baby. If you did any research you would know there are a lot of scholarships that target people with low income regardless of ethnicity. You just want a reason to roll arounf in your own shit and cry about it on a mongolian basket weaving forum. Keep making crying faggot.

>>3051135
Go to a school like MCAD. Small class sizes and all studio instructors are required to be currently working artists in order to teach there

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>>3051461
there's actually a mix of people in this response chain. your insults are targeting something of your own imagination. my last reply was arguing about the false information being presented. i am not seeking a scholarship nor would i want to attend a school.

>>3050954
It's funny that you claim to be white because you sound like a nigger, with your inability to take responsibility for yourself.

>>3051489
(You)

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60 posts in and no one has posted this.

The reality is that art school can be full of idiots too. Wen they told me shit like "Digital isn't real art" or "Why study perspective? It's all about expressing yourself" I dropped out.

>>3050954
You sound like you have never actually talked to an artist.

>>3050872
What's like... the purpose in anything, man?

If your main goal is to go straight to an art college from high school because of a scholarship, you will have to develop a good and decent portfolio first. If you have good academic grades, that alone will not guarantee you an art scholarship to a good art school. But it will give you something if you decide on a regular university with an art dept.

but for the most part, if your portfolio is shit or mediocre at best, wanting to get in a good art school via scholarship won't matter. Believe me, you will be competing with many other art college applicants and the faculty will be breaking it down from those who show potential from those who are friggin plebs. Your portfolio is where and how you can get in to an art school for free.

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>>3051454
This, and also pic related

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>>3051832
It's not his schedule you dumb motherfucker

>>3051842
i had the 2 schedules , but i didn't know wich was the real.

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>>3051591
>10% overlap between arts graduates and working artists
Not that surprising when you read shit like picrelated.

Most art schools these days simply don't teach the skills relevant to the working field.

It's honestly atrocious and I don't get why there isn't a bigger outcry about this.

It's like if medical schools taught faith healing and acupuncture instead of the real knowledge and skills actually necessary for people to become surgeons.

>>3050872
What's the purpose of lifting when you can't afford a pt