This is what I needed to see today, so I thought I would share

I honestly do not mind if western stuff takes a few cues from anime/manga, but they shouldn't take it too far and draw full on moe blobs

Well most of those professors don't know how the entertainment industry currently operates. If you want to be a teacher, listen to your teacher. If you want to be an anime artist, listen to on of them.

>>3041734
There are things to learn from anime, do not be afraid of that. Just don't forget to incorporate western techniques that are completely absent from anime like squash and stretch.

>>3041759
^This.

But anyone pursuing higher education in the arts also needs to understand that you're there to learn what the professor knows, what what he doesn't know. If the professor doesn't like anime, just don't do anime on the assignments and focus on the technical stuff. Save it for yourself and your portfolio to show range.

whens the last time you saw anime in a museum?

>>3041807
Detroit Institute of Arts actually had it on display because they were doing a show about the history of animation.

But we're talking about getting a job here, not having your shit hung up next to da Vinci. Most of the art that goes in museums these days is modern art anyway.

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>>3041807
When's the last time you've seen concept art in a museum? Not being facetious, I'm genuinely asking. I don't recall any that isn't part of a special exhibition for a movie.

>>3041812
>When's the last time you've seen concept art in a museum
I'm a fine artist, but all fine art is conceptual. Every element of a good painting is tied to some theory or concept of what art should look like.

The more concerned with effect and aesthetics you get the more it becomes illustration, the more it is trendy and impersonal, the more disposable it is.

For the most part nobody does fine arts now, it's all illustration. People are illustrating their idea of what fine arts is instead of making fine arts.

Can't blame them, the only place to go after someone sells a blank canvas for millions is towards disposable illustration or backwards through the old art movements again, and for the most part people pick going towards illustration.

I'm more a backwards guy personally. I'd rather paint like an impressionist than a manga artist.

>>3041809
>we're talking about getting a job here, not having your shit hung up next to da Vinci
you need to aim higher then...

>>3041822
More people are going to appreciate and remember a manga than a picture in a museum. Most people don't even go to museums unless they're on vacation, and even that's a stretch. Museum's are really for rich people to keep doing their rich people shit.

>>3041838
i think you're confusing art for entertainment... The point of good art is that it's so easily forgotten that you need to keep going back and looking at it. the point of good entertainment is that it's so stupid you only need to experience it once.

entertainment is disposable because it's so memorable, art is permanent because it's so easily forgotten.

>>3041734
>my art professor was wrong because now I'm animating Sonic

I mean, good for him, congrats, but his professor was still right. Sure, he got a job, and that's nice since he's an illustrator in 2017, but apart from that his artistic contributions are nill. Who will give a fuck about this guy in 100 years from now? What about 15 years from now?

He is being professional, and he is working hard, but all he is working on is ultimately trash that no one will value in a few years from now. It's like being a really productive and inventive writer, ending up writing advertisements for mid-tier insurance companies. Sure, you'll get some cash, and you may do your job really well, but said job will be, in the long run, completely worthless.

tl;dr: don't draw anime, you're not 5 anymore

>>3041767
>use a technique that destroys detail to improve an art style defined by detail
You're retarded. Japan has nothing to learn from the West.

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>>3041847
>The point of good art is that it's so easily forgotten
>art is permanent because it's so easily forgotten.

I hear a lot of bizarre bullshit on this board but it never fails to surprise me.

>>3041853
>Who will give a fuck about this guy in 100 years from now? What about 15 years from now?

The only reason anyone gives a fuck about old artists is because they keep being forced to give a fuck. If you put sonic in a history text book, or a museum, then he too would be remembered 100 years from now. People like to forget that a huge part of art is about elitism and social class.

>>3041853

>Who will give a fuck about this guy in 100 years from now? What about 15 years from now?

Look at this idiot worrying about having a legacy. You utter, deluded fool. Haven't you realized how unfair art history is? There are so many great artists forgotten, or nearly forgotten, while others get dozens of books written about them.

Or have you forgotten, that the most famous painting of all is a boring brown painting of a boring woman sitting in front of a boring background.

Do you really think that the Mona Lisa is better than all those other famous paintings? It's all publicity, and it all means nothing.

Draw what you want. Enjoy your career. NONE of it matters in the long term.

>>3041759
How do I learn how to draw anime?

>>3041884
Study from your favorite artists. Try to find their process, and do what they do.

>>3041884
A lot of anime artists in Japan went to school for it, just like we go to art school. If you want to do that too, I do know that there are programs that will help you get into an English speaking Japanese art school. In fact, I've been trying to find a Chinese program that is similar, because University in China is cheap as hell, but just as good.

But to stop shilling and really answer your question, I guess you'll have to study other anime artists. Pixiv has a ton of great tutorials, but they're in Japanese.

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>>3041905
Study my favorite artists, huh? Alright, will do.

>>3041807
A few museums when I was in Japan, but not here in the states.

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>>3041807
Not a museum but "No Ghost, Just a Shell" was at the Tate Modern back in 2009 or 2010. I went to it with my mom.

>>3041905
I guess my question when it comes to drawing anime is how do I avoid the shit deviantart style that keeps getting picked on. I just want to make sure I'm not following a dark path of forever cringe.

>>3041959

Draw or break down the art styles of you favorite artists as opposed to following a how to draw tutorial.

>>3041734

Going to do furry art then.

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>>3041856
Fuck you, luigi

>>3041959
1. If you think it's cringe then you have taste. Study from your favorite artists and your style will eventually be in that vein.

2. DeviantArt anime gets shit on a lot, but those people are doing commissions and making money. The good ones anyway. It's easy to get home from your job at Wendy's and shit on people's style.

Do what you want to do. If you go full force and let nothing stop you, you can make money doing it.

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>>3041985
Money isn't the issue. I'm just more concerned about the quality of my work. If it comes down to a matter of taste, then I'm okay with that. Thanks for that insight.

>>3041977
As long as you don't put porn in your portfolio, most people probably wouldn't care. I know furry artists that work at studios.

>>3041856
Literary every Trigger show proves your statement wrong

>>3042000
Everything trigger makes is shit.

>>3042487 (You)

I've been lurking /ic/ for a few months now, occasionally. It's not my main board by any means, but I don't get this bullshit back and forth bickering about anime shit and more western style traditional shit. They're clearly different things, and the people doing either of them are doing it for specific reasons. So why's everyone so hung up on it always?

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>>3041861
>People like to forget that a huge part of art is about elitism and social class.
To conflate every aspect of art appreciation to elitism would be too much.
More specifically, a important part of artistic legacy is that, for one to be remembered, he has, as a prerequisite, to convince the finest artists, teachers and critics of his worth.
You're right, random museum-goers usually dont really know why they should like a Raphael more than a deviantart landscape: the point here is that there is someone who has studied enough and has contemplated enough the specifc aspect of these arts, who can actually tell you what's so good about Raphael, Beethoven or Shakespeare (I'm mentioning classical art, for Sonic is closer to that than contemporary art).
A product with NO intellectual worth won't be remembered by artists and enlightened critics, who are the real makers of legacies.

>>3041866
>There are so many great artists forgotten, or nearly forgotten, while others get dozens of books written about them.
So you write animu because the world is not perfectly just? That's like me writing YA novels ONLY only because publishers are not perfectly objective in their choices, so why should I try?

>Do you really think that the Mona Lisa is better than all those other famous paintings? It's all publicity, and it all means nothing.
Nah, you're just looking for cheap entertainment. What it's important about the Mona Lisa is that it is excellent at every level of analysis and at every level of education. You can spend your entire life on these paintings, and not get bored of it.
Sure, some of it may be publicity (Mona Lisa is, after all, kept in the most famous museum in the world), but it's certainly not only that.

>NONE of it matters in the long term.
Aaaah, the mark of the mediocre man.

>>3042544

You're a dummy.

My point isn't "create the lowest common denominator work." It's "create what you enjoy" because if your motivation for creating art is to make it into a museum, then you've already failed.

Tyson Hesse is a great guy and his career trajectory is really inspiring.

>>3041767
>squash and stretch
Forced animation

>>3043476
My point is that some efforts are ultimately conclusive to nothing.
His professor was right, and that was my point. This guy is having fun, but having animated a trailer for Sonic Mania is nothing.

>normies raging about nothing just because "muh WEEBS REEE"
add another achievement to tyson hesse, he triggered elitist(actually not skilled) normalfags on a guatemalan fingerpainting forum

>>3043938
>Forced animation

What?

Not a weeb but I think every kind of artist can appreciate this. I personally don't like the weeb culture but I do appreciate anime/manga as a style and art form. They should too.
Just because you don't like something for whatever reason doesn't make it right to force that on others or tell them they will fail. like sure if your doing little statues out of toilet paper all day but you wanna be a movie director you will fail, but not with drawing the thing you don't personally like.

>>3041734
I figure most non-specialised art schools still teach people to become classical painters or professional illustrators. /ic/ is like that too, ignoring all post-19th century applications of art save for being a video game concept artist which appears to be the goal of at least 60% of the posters here.

>>3043476
That's dumb. Being remembered is simply a byproduct of creating something meaningful out of your life. Creating what you enjoy sounds like common sense, but wanting to make people laugh and cry, to change their perspective or tell them with a painting more than you could with an entire essay is a noble goal that only an ignorant could reduce to "getting into a museum."

>>3045408
>living your life for "others"
I'd sure love to be "noble",it sounds so damn fun

>>3041853
Why give a shit after you're dead? You're dead, it doesn't matter anymore. What matters is your current life and if you're enjoying what you are doing

>>3041734
he's basically killing off potential future competition. he's giving super bad advice not to learn proper fundamentals before getting into stylization, so that scrubs never make it.
genius.

>>3041853
>>3042544
Post your work, no one gives a shit if all you do is preach pseudointellectual bullshit. There's a huge disparity between those who read about drawing and those who actually draw that the former will never, ever understand.