If you could go back in time and give yourself art advice,

>>3024482
Visit /ic/ and read the sticky

>>3024482
LEARN PERSPECTIVE

>>3024482
Start atelier training sooner and don't destroy your name by scamming your clients

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>>3024482
Either stop giving up, or give up entirely and learn a fucking trade.

Winning Lottery numbers as step one in a convoluted plan to prevent 911.

>>3024482
Give up painting and turn to music and singing. Because you will end up with early onset parkinson's dementia.

>>3024501
Damn

>>3024484
This

LEARN PERSPEPECTIVE AND RENDERING before Anatomy

>>3024482
Believe in yourself and make more art friends.

>>3024482
Not to be so serious about it to the point of driving myself to self-sabotage and becoming depressed.

>>3024482
Your mom is a fucking art teacher! Learn to draw when you're 8 instead of just now starting at 26.

if i could go back in time i wouldnt waste the oportunity in shitty art advice

Don't go into art. Become an electrician.

Ignore construction and focus on perspective and anime.

>>3024482
stop fucking around and study

>>3024517
>>LEARN PERSPEPECTIVE AND RENDERING before Anatomy

wait seriously?

Actually read loomis.

Draw things that make you happy and dont sweat the small stuff, where drawing is concerned just have fun or youll burn out and end up hating it for years

>>3024667
construction is just a means to help you understand the volume and perspective of something, dumbass.

>>3024482

Study hard to go to med school, earn dosh as a dentist

Go to architecture school instead of art school.

all the great artists you idolize got there by practicing 10-17 hours a day. that's the secret.

Start earlier. Draw longer. Video games are cool and all, but they only serve as inspiration for things if you can actually create the things they inspire in you. You'll get friends later, so for now, just practice and learn some more self-control. You can do it. I believe in you. You have to know this and believe in it.

>>3024482
Go to art school instead of English school.

English is fucking easy as fuck and you won't finish a single year anyway.

>>3024767
I dont think all of them practiced that much, moreover, practicing more than 6-8 hours a day seems counterproductive. There are also examples of people picking up painting when they were older, and still succeeding (eg. Tivadar Csonvtáry Kosztka)

>>3024991
>>3024729
Fuck, i wanted to reply to this anon: >>3024729

Just draw, draw, draw. Draw everytime you can, instead of watching hours of tutorials and books on how to draw.

Study properly instead of copying mindlessly

practice more you lazy piece of shit

>>3024702
You can get away with murder if you know how to render well. Just look at sakimichan

>>3024482
>stop copying comics you stupid fuck, just because you are better at it than others doesn't make you a good artist in general, get off your high horse
>actually fucking study instead of making excuses

Keep going. Stop playing video games. Hang around other inspirational people who get shit done.

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STOP GOING ON /v/ AND FUCKING DRAW

STOP POSTING YOUR TRASH ON /co/ NOBODY IS GOING TO THINK IT'S EVEN REMOTELY PASSABLE FOR FOUR MORE YEARS AND THAT'S ONLY AFTER YOU'VE PUT A GOOD AMOUNT OF WORK IN AND THEY STILL JUST THINK IT'S BARELY DECENT

START RUNNING AND LIFTING AND FIX YOUR DIET YOUR BRAIN IS DYING BECAUSE YOU SPEND ALL DAY WATCHING YOUTUBE VIDEOS AND EATING SALTINES SPINACH TASTES TOTALLY FINE IF YOU BLEND IT WITH SOME OTHER STUFF AND IT'S GREAT FOR YOU

YOU HAVE A LOT MORE FUN STUDYING FRAMES FROM MOVIES AND PORN THAN RANDOM POSES ON ART WEBSITES AND THEY TEND TO BE RICHER AND MORE EXPRESSIVE

ACTUALLY SIT DOWN DRINK SOME COFFEE AND READ THOSE BOOKS YOU DOWNLOADED THEY'RE NOT THAT LONG AND YOU LEARN A LOT MORE

START GOING TO BED AT A REGULAR TIME AND WAKING UP BEFORE 9 AND GET SOME FUCKING SUNLIGHT ONCE IN A WHILE YOU NEED A PROPER ROUTINE

MOVE OUT OF YOUR PARENTS HOUSE LIVING WITH OTHER PEOPLE AND ESPECIALLY WITH YOUR PARENTS MAKES YOU ANXIOUS AND IS HOLDING YOU BACK

STOP ORDERING PIZZA AND START COOKING

START GRINDING OUT DRAWING FACES AND HANDS EARLY IT'LL PAY OFF

WATCH GURREN LAGANN YOU'RE GOING TO LOVE IT

I'LL BE YOU IN SEVEN YEARS

>>3025151
Did you manage to fix your sleep schedule and move out? Did it help?

>>3024482
"Wacoms require a driver you fucking idiot" is what I would say.

I had a very decent wacom tablet which was a hand me down when I was 12. Didn't like it purely because it never felt good to use since I never installed the driver. Picked up art again 2 years ago and I could have improved so much if I knew how good a tablet can actually be.

>>3025150
you sound like a faggot

>>3026329
it helped a ton I just wish I had done it earlier

>>3024489
>scamming your clients
lmao how retarded can you be. i need a story for this

>>3025151
>STOP GOING ON /v/ AND FUCKING DRAW
I relate to this.

>>3024482
5 words would be enough for me
>imagination drawing == (equals) memory drawing

>>3024482
Maybe something like this:

Learn perspective inside and out and practice it like a monster. Forget about memorising anatomy.

Also - drawing is hard, even when you're super experienced. Finish what you start. Use references if you have to, you can earn a living a lot faster if you use references to fill in the gaps you don't have to be Kim Jung Gi levels of drawing from your head to be a successful artist, you can get to that point while still working/earning a buck.

>>3025119
>You can get away with murder if you know how to render well.

this

I'd go to me in primary school and tell me to stop drawing stick men and focus more on actual art.

>>3025119

90% of well rendered stuff with bad anatomy looks like a polished turd. If you can polish something mediocre it'll look better, if you polish something shit it'll look like polished shit.

>your brain and your body aren't separate you stupid cunt, if you're sleeping and eating like shit it'll hamper you mentally

It's amazing how many people overlook this. I was basically permanently jetlagged because my sleep schedule was utterly fucked and I ate garbage at irregular times.

>>3024482

Don't play videogames or buy videogame consoles, you'll hate that hobby in the future.

Don't draw violent comics in primary school yet or you'll be sent to a psychiatrist. Save your edge for later.

>>3024490
This, and I'd tell my younger self about great artists like Frazetta, Lyendecker, Rockwell, etc. I'd also get my younger self to either buying or getting Robert Henri's book The Art Spirit.

You had 10 years to get gud and you blew in on stupid shit like low self-esteem and refusing copy off of others, use reference, and do fanart, now you're 27 NEET and gotta cram day and night for the sake of catching up because you thought it quitting and living normal life would make you happy. It didn't and only drove you to depression. Also lose some fucking you look like shit.

>>3026381
Kek whatever floats your boat, bro

Stop trying to learn to paint you suck at painting you're good at drawing you could have just fucking spent all that goddamned time working on your comics career it's the only thing you really care about so why did you do that???
To be fair painting can be quite fun, it just not my strength

>>3024489
Tell us about what happened, in afraid I'm doing the same thing by turning things in way past deadline.
I'm having trouble time managing..
but were you outright taking. Their money??

>>3026425
I don't think that advice would help you if you had to start over. You might wrongly think memory means you have to see the entire drawing before you draw.

I would say imagination drawing == 1. knowing how to draw in perspective, to construct, etc. whether you do it on the paper or in your head, or ghosting or whatever doesn't matter, and 2. Knowing your subject matter - this is where memory comes in. Your memory doesn't even have to be entirely visual. Just remember things ABOUT your object, forms obviously very important, textures, etc. And of course 3. And this is the most important one that separates amateur from profession - know what makes a drawing/painting APPEALING and think about, and apply that, to everything you do - build in contrasts pointing to focal points etc. Hiararchy etc. Contrast is pretty much everything.

This is why a genius like Amano can draw something that is anatomically impossible and it makes you want to weep for how awesome it looks and you can have a dude who has memorized every vein draw a flat unappealing muscle-guy that doesn't make you feel hardly anything.

>>3024489
Tell us about what happened, in afraid I'm doing the same thing by turning things in way past deadline.
I'm having trouble time managing..
but were you outright taking. Their money??

>>3024501
Damn, sorry dude

>Don't be a dipshit.

Learning to use perspective isn't "cheating". Using a reference for how anatomy works in specific situations isn't cheating. Asking people for advice isn't cheating.

You're not the fucking "Ryu of art" unless you're actually training and practicing technique and theory.
I was such a fucking cringelord when I was young.

Develop strong basics, learn technique, study theory, keep learning the things that work and stop being a "reinvent the wheel" cuck.

>>3026425
I apologize that was completely unnecessary of me. Of course you'd understand your own advice to yourself. I shouldn't have made an unsolicited long rant comment like that, I'm sorry.

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>>3024482
Study Hampton, lurk /ic/, and stop masturbating.

Don't waste your time drawing anime.

>>3024482
Stop being such a fucking cheapskate and get a tablet. And maybe also an ips monitor

>>3027771
>Learning to use perspective isn't "cheating"
What the fuck did you do to make yourself think like that?

"Don't wait."

Never post that image where I traced another artist. I'm never gonna live that down.

>>3024482
stop worrying about anatomy and move on to other subjects

Don't waste 6 years by playing league of legends all day long.

>>3028016
You got good at league though. That's great.

>>3024767
you know we're not actually sending these back in time, right?

>>3027857
Like I said, don't be a dipshit.
I guess my thinking was that a real pro should be able to eyeball everything and doesn't need 'tricks" to get coplex objects in difficult perspectives right.
Young me was an artist cringe compilation in his own right.

>>3028016
are you me? wasted so much of my life on that game

>>3024482
Start caring about shit

>>3024482
Don't ever go on 4chan.

>>3024482
>start posting your work on CA.org and befriend all the other artists their + ask them for advice and crits
I woulda gotten so good by being in an environment like that and I woulda made industry contacts so I would easily find a job. I missed out on the golden age ;_;

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>>3024482
>Don't ever use the internet. Don't buy a laptop or a smart phone. Don't look at porn, just keep practicing because those things are going to kill the drive you have in you.

I didn't have internet growing up and I didn't have my own laptop until 2008 when I was about 23 years old, and I didn't own my own smart phone until about 2013 when someone gave me one they found on the street. Prior to this, I was a workaholic, I used to lock myself in my room and work full time just because it's what I do, since I started using those devices my strive has dramatically declined to the point of being more unproductive. I have become rusty, but I can still do it. I have dismantled and given away so many phones and laptops in an attempt to let go of this downward spiral, but here I am...on a laptop again, and I am kicking myself for buying it. The only thing I have left to do is give it away to someone I will never see again. I may just do that because I done fucked myself over with this in more ways than one. I find that when I do not have a smartphone or laptop I become super productive. I work for hours and can concentrate,

>>3028577
cocaine anonymous?

>>3028581
Old habits die hard. I'd say just put them in an inconvienent spot. The only thing a cell phone is for calls/emergencies, so at least have something in place for that.

Otherwise, I have faith you will find a balance.

>>3028581
oh my gosh we have an oddly similar life. I'm 32, I'm guessing your close or the same based on what you just said, I didn't own a cell phone until either 2012 or 2013. Ok so not THAT much in common, but hey we're both artists too right? lol

I did actually stop looking at porn though, around 24ish, 25, whenever I became born again.

>>3024482
Don't wait 15 years to take drawing seriously.

>>3028598
>just put them in an inconvienent spot.

I wish it was that simple. Knowing myself, I will eventually give myself an excuse to use it and the vicious cycle continues.

>The only thing a cell phone is for calls/emergencies, so at least have something in place for that.

I have a phone. An old phone with buttons. I mean no apps no internet, no bluetooth, nothing. It's such an old model that I have to manually adjust the time and date on it because it doesn;t contain software to do that with the data on the sim. I love this phone. It doesn't even have games except for Sudoku and I don't know how to play that.

>I have faith you will find a balance.

Thanks, I am seriously considering giving away my laptop. OR, I can do what I have done before and smash the HD with a hammer so I can't go back on...I don't really have anything important on this laptop, it's more like a toy that distracts me from everything I need to do...my drawing desk is collecting dust.

>>3028611
I'm 32 as well.

I am addicted to porn this is the main problem I have. Porn is a terrible thing to be addicted to. My approach is usually, out of sight out of mind, which is hard to actually do. I really do hate technology, I am a traditional artist, so I only need pens and paper and whatnot. I don't care much for uploading my work online or having it seen by others. I am better when I go to galleries and talk to people. But this laptop is killing me. And incidentally, I lost my cellphone last night as well, perhaps a blessing in disguise.

>>3028662
Correction...I lost THAT phone last night, and will have to buy another.

>>3028665
Out of sight out of mind is the right approach, that's what I had to do. I spent a long time avoiding places where I knew I'd be tempted. It takes a good long time of not looking at stuff for it to stop having a hold over you.

It's risky coming to 4chan if you want to quit porn, there aren't a lot of boards you can go to where you won't be tempted.

Pray about it and you might have to take a break from visiting certain places online until you no longer react the same way.

You can feel the lust in your heart, sometimes it burns etc. you gotta stay away from things that will tempt you to 'go there'. Easier said than done, I know, but it's doable. Especially with God.

>>3028669
I actually agree with this 100%
I just need to avoid the de-vices.

>>3028669
My main problem is I like drawing BBW Milfs from photos, just to draw them...

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>>3024482
Measure. Drawing is a technical skill before it is a creative one. People can sing without knowing how to compose, you can draw without being an artist. Just copy and change things a bit.

Inspiration is a sham. Passion isn't, but it's a descriptor and not a prescriptor. It's a word used for whoever can manage to come back to something day after day working on it for hours on end. Which you will need to get good. At anything. 1 hour per week is nothing. Public school is a sham and you're not good at the piano.

Spend time doing it and keep track of how much time is spent. Like most things in the world and unlike anything in school, 1 hour a week doesn't cut it. You have 24 hours a day, even if you sleep 10 you have 14 left, even with school you have like 6~7 for sure.

Don't worry about anatomy so much. It's more important to get rendering and color and a bunch of other large concepts to low mediocrity to make "finished" pieces so people will look at your stuff. No one cares if your armpits or abs aren't perfect. They'll notice if it's amazing, but they won't notice if it's not, and they won't notice at all it's just lineart or grayscale WIP.

You're going to be unemployed after graduating college. Even if you somehow don't, you're going to eventually wish you built something to show for at the end of the day, and that's not going to come from any "job", much less some videogame.

>>3028734
>Don't worry about anatomy so much. It's more important to get rendering and color and a bunch of other large concepts to low mediocrity to make "finished" pieces so people will look at your stuff. No one cares if your armpits or abs aren't perfect. They'll notice if it's amazing, but they won't notice if it's not, and they won't notice at all it's just lineart or grayscale WIP.
>You're going to be unemployed after graduating college. Even if you somehow don't, you're going to eventually wish you built something to show for at the end of the day, and that's not going to come from any "job", much less some videogame.
Fuck, I'm going to take this advice right now. Thanks anon.

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>dont worry about people seemingly not appreciating your art. its because youre the only one who can appreciate it right now, and thats because youre focusing only on pushing yourself to make stuff more accurate, more appealing, little by little. later on, you might be strong enough to make something entirely for another person. for now, just keep grinding.

>>3028737
>tfw this could be your future self right now giving you advice

>>3028737
>>3028736
Read this book:
https://artistryinaction.files.wordpress.com/2016/03/david_bayles_ted_orland_art_and_fear.pdf

I would offer myself one of two pieces of advice to my 15-year-old self:

1) Pay attention in career planning class.

When I was in the 10th grade we had a college day where we could sign up to attend presentations from three schools, which would give us a gameplan for the last two years of high school. I didn't pay attention in class so I didn't know it was coming. When I walked into the school my teacher asked me what colleges I picked. I laughed in her face and walked home. Had I been just a little more studious I could have attended presentation for three art schools and worked towards a scholarship.

2) Drop out and study Loomis.

When I was 16 I was old enough to legally quit school. I didn't. I ended up having to repeat the 11th grade, which meant I had to stay an extra year. Halfway through the year I realized I was old enough to just take the GED test so I dropped out. Looking back, if I wasn't going to pursue a formal arts education I should have just quit and done what I'm doing now, which is just teaching myself. Who knows what I could have accomplished in those years if I just had the resources.

Basically, do whatever you can to get gud. In high school I just wasted my time cutting class, gambling with my buddies and doing the bare minimum needed to not get kicked out. I have nothing to show for it, artistically.

>>3024482
Just because you weren't born with the predisposition doesn't mean you can't become great in your own right. Also that guy you're daring turns out to be mental. Cancel the move and dump his ass.

Take photographs for nude reference of people around your age, consensually

>>3024482
Care less about school and more about drawing
Take a course in the city near you on the weekends
Watch Gurren Lagann

>>3028898
Where are you now?

>>3024482
Don't just study the fundies for three fucking years, you also need to work on your creative side. Visual library, design, studying how things work. Otherwise your art will be fundamentally correct, but dry and unappealing.

Big changes like traditional / digital or drawing / painting transitions are like learning a new skill, frustration is inevitable.

/ic/ is just people, they can be wrong.

Don't sperg out about hack successful artists. Study what made them successful instead of whining about it.

Perfectionism is cancer that you have to unlearn. A thousand bad finished drawings is better than a thousand scrapped studies.

>>3027569
If you look at artists making fortune on dA, tumblr, Instagram etc. they rarely give a fuck about anatomy. Normies don't see through the sugar coating that is fancy rendering.

>>3029475
I do get sick of the rendering being the same on the face as on the leg as on the everything, the uniform rendering can sell a piece only so far.

But let's be honest, the popular people with that style are exploiting something greater than anatomy.

Appeal. They aren't as appealing as a master artist, not as appeal as waterhouse, moebius, amano, frazetta, etc. because they don't understand that uniform rendering is not as good looking/appealing as having more contrasts, but they are more appealing than someone who might have near perfect anatomy, but hasn't added any design elements at all, its just one uniform line.

Perspective adds appeal quite a bit, but let's pretend something was both perfect anatomically AND perspectively, it can still be less appealing than something not perfect anatomically, or distorted a bit perspectively, that was designed with appeal in mind.

99% of artists I see out there ignore the most important thing: Does my art actually look appealing?

I've come to believe it is literally THE difference between master-pro's and people who are 'almost there' who had been drawing for like 10+ years and have everything good enough (perspective, anatomy) that they COULD do something better, if only they thought about/studied appeal and composition more.

I think Amano is the ultimate example. He can draw something as poorly as a 15 year old and still make it blow your mind because he mastered composition and appeal.

Being technical or technically correct is not anywhere close to everything. It's a little under-rated with beginners, but it's HIGHLY over rated with more advanced artists.

>>3029475
>>3029485

So long story short, I'm agreeing with you and adding more detail about what you're saying.

>>3029485
How to study appeal and composition

>>3029489
Well I did it on my own actually. It's one of the things you can study with your own brain without needing to hear other peoples opinions because you're basically studying 'what looks good to me, why does it look good'.

The solution I came up with was contrast is THE key to appeal.

I noticed one angle vs another, long vs short, big vs small, wide vs narrow, detail vs space, black vs wide, curve vs. straight, etc. etc.

There is more to it than that, but after thinking about it and just studying it on my own through observations for many years, I've come up with a lot of different points about it.

And then of course, you can also hear what other people say about it. Lots of artists talk about appeal and design, some are more explicit than others about it.

Like watching Don Bluth draw cartoons, he talks about it quite a lot, he especially likes using curves against straights.

I would say find your favorite artists and their pieces that blow your mind and ask yourself 'why' it makes you feel so good.

The answers are things like silhouettes (things your brain can instantly recognize) right use of shadows, focal points, and the various contrasts I mentioned.

Now composition is a bit simpler than appeal, but its a part of appeal. Things like value separation in your environment paintings based on distance etc. Where to place the focal point, 1/3 lines etc. It's also talked about waaay more so you can find a ton of articles and advice on composition. Appeal, not so much.

I just gave you enough information to last you for a loooooong time. Go have fun and explore it.

Light and shadow. Light and shadow. Light and shadow.

Dont use dark colors too much, dont think that dark and "heavy" paintings have more gravitas and are better

To achieve order and balance Colors must come after value and must be adjusted for hue strength and luminosity.

For oil painting use lots and lots of brushes to keep opposing light and dark or warm and cool colors separate and prevent them from getting muddy

Do not give away your good or best works to anyone for free.

For very thick impasto paintings use large brush or palette knife. dont use small palette knife because it will get muddy

With acrylic painting when going figurative paint on big canvas and use drybrush technique to render and layer smoothly

For acrylic use the best brand you can afford, preferably golden or blick studio. golden can be bought in bulk online and you can save money this way
For oil always use student grade especially for thick impasto winton is best

oil paint pigment load is naturally higher than acrylic pigment load

go out and make things happen.

>>3029507
That's a lot of very specific advice.
What do you mean by
>Do not give away your good or best works to anyone for free
?
Like, display them for free or do you mean it literally?

>>3029518
I gave away my best stuff for free - but I did it very very young. Like 10 years old, so who cares. It was n't anything original either. Copies of spawn comics and things like that. I was proud of them though.

>>3029518
literally i gave them away for free

only when you receive money for the art do people who receive it recognize its value and not throw it into the storage

>>3029518
I could've made a solid $150 in high school if I had assumed it's value on "people who go to high schooler art auction" standards rather than /ic/ standards

I could've spent that money on pens!

>>3028852
How does this book know exactly the kind of problems I have? You're not telling me other people have these kinds of problems too, are you?

>learn names, terminology, and definitions of the various artists/fundamentals/genres/movements/modes etc.
>learn observational drawing
>IMMEDIATELY START COPYING EVERYONE YOU LIKE. STEAL EVERYTHING COPY COPY COPY COPY COPY.

you'll know how to do everything you've ever wanted to do in less than 8 months. (14 hours a day, 7 days a week.)
alternate study, imagination over and over.

>>3029669
Did you learn how to do everything you ever wanted to do now then?

>>3029468

I'm 27 years old, still living at home and struggling to make it.

>>3024482
YOU GOT ONE LIFE, START NOW.

>>3029694
>YOU GOT ONE LIFE
Seriously this should be told to every child. Parents should stop with the fucking "you can be anything you are special" bullshit.

>>3029700
Being told you can be anything is better than falling for the talent bullshit only to learn later that hard work trumps all of that and you really could be anything you wanted. You've got one life, live it how you want.

>>3029690
I'm sorry to here that. It's become more and more common in our generation unfortunately. there are probably a lot of us here on 4chan.

>>3024482
I would tell myself to leave America sooner than later and go to a place where you can teach English. I left the states and now I teach English and art. I went from struggling to living good and eating good. And I have more freedom to work on my art.

>>3024482
Also, don't forget about the reality of existence. Get a practical degree. Don't drop out of Highs School (it is a foreshadowing of your inability to finish what you start and this reflects on your art more than less). Go to college and graduate with a practical skill, so you can work, and do art.

>>3024482
Also, forget comics, forget cartoons and all those niche hobby art. Most people do not become anything more than forgotten illustrators. Fine art is where the money is, it is where your artistic creativity shines, it is what gets you laid (especially if you make it known to women that you draw nudes, and especially if you're good, like I was). People are more willing to buy you work. The more innovative and defined your work is, the more you can market it. Learn marketing and branding and learn how to sell your self and make your work wanted.

>tfw only practiced line art until high school
>couldn't comprehend what shading was until the teacher sat me down and explained.
I have godlike control and precision though.

Also, own your art. Never apologize and speak so that when you speak and make art it is known that it's you whether people like it or not. NEVER EVER EVER pander to ANYONE. Keep going and never stop. You have to adopt the feeling of do or die. You have to abandon digital art. Never get into digital art. That is a bullshit field. Stick to traditional and make art because it is what flows through your blood, you have to die for it, you have to have an undying passion, a desire to compete with all the artists and come on top and succeed over them all. It is a competition and your competition must perish and be relegated to the forgotten realm of no bodies.

>>3030227
Proof?

>>3030227
Technical skill doesn't make you an artist. It is how you apply those skills to create something new and thought provoking.

>>3030236
i only said i'm good at lines
>>3030240
like what this guy says

>>3030247
If you have godlike control and precision, you should be able to draw right?

>>3030227
Naf?

>>3025151
Wanna... Wanna talk about it?

>tfw advice I would've given myself 10 years ago is relevant to this day

Do plenty of studies
USE THOSE FUCKING BOOKS
Copy your favorite artists
DON'T QUIT FOR YEARS
Draw every day
DON'T FORGET GESTURE
Ask for critiques as much as possible
DON'T GET THAT CHEAP ASS TABLET IT'S NOT WORTH THE HASSLE
Stop feeling miserable, it gets better

>>3026345
I have one of those cheap Intuos tablets and the driver almost never works. Whenever I install it, it manages to work until I turn my PC off, then it just acts like there's no driver at all.

Even with a tablet (when it works, that is), I still can't get the hang of digital painting. I don't know if it's the brushes I'm using, but some people start with such shitty-looking muddy sketches and manage to turn them into masterpieces. I just don't know how to do that.

>>3030262
>but some people start with such shitty-looking muddy sketches and manage to turn them into masterpieces. I just don't know how to do that.
/beg/inner here, just spend more time refining.

>>3024482
Learn perspective.
Don't bother with Loomis or any type of studies.
Draw what you love first.

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'i dunno man you've done pretty well considering this is the only thing in your life you haven't yet quit, so keep going mate you're doing as well as someone like you could be expected to'

>>3030260
what tablet homie? I just got a kinda cheap one, £60, and it's not here yet.

>>3029507
>>3029496
>>3029485
>>3029475
>>3028734
>>3028669
>>3025151
I

ALSO

SPACE

MY

POSTS

LIKE

A

FUCKING

RETARD

>>3030355
Do you not know what a paragraph is?

>>3030353
Genius tablet
It was fucking horrible

If I could recommend anything to a beginner is to get a wacom (NOT a small one, you'll regret getting small one even if it does do the job, medium and large are preferred)

>>3030357
>2-3 sentences at most is a paragraph
See

>>3030355
>RETARD

>>3030364
A paragraph isn't about size it's about conveying separate things, sperglord.

>>3024482
Draw whatever you want.

>>3030374
Thanks for the tip.

>>3030368
Learn to write then

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>>3030355

>when post spacing triggers you this hard

Just say it, say "reddit spacing" and oust yourself as a jackass.

>>3024482
Don't show hentai for your art teacher, no matter how beautiful looks.

Forget to draw over photo paint more from nature

>>3024482
I'd slap a bitch for drawing anime for too long without proper fundamentals, burn all the how to draw manga books, and replace them with the collection of real drawing/painting books I've got now.

Also id try to convince myself to finish art school but it probably wouldn't do much cause im a lazy piece of shit

>>3030355
You mean like someone who writes properly. Just because you don't know when a new paragraph begins or ends it doesn't mean other people don't.

The people who type like that are just people who write more than you do. The so called 'reddit spacing' is just 'writing' spacing.

>>3027698
Fuck man im in the exact same situation also 27 yearold. though not a fatty.
starting to think im NGMI man/

>>3024501
Fuck

>>3024483
Alternatively: Visit /ic/ once for the sticky and never come back. There's really nothing else of value here art-wise, just people shitting on each other.
>>3024484
Also, I don't understand how this isn't the first thing taught in any kind of art class. Perspective is everything.

>>3030228
Dude, what the fuck. I didn't know Elliot Rodger was a frustrated artist.

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>Don't waste 4 years of your life drawing ponies you fucking autistic mong.

>>3030619
jesus mate really?

>>3030627
That shit is like meth. Once you get into to it, it's hard to stop before it fucks you up and down the road.

>>3025151
>YOU HAVE A LOT MORE FUN STUDYING FRAMES FROM MOVIES AND PORN THAN RANDOM POSES ON ART WEBSITES AND THEY TEND TO BE RICHER AND MORE EXPRESSIVE

I need to to start doing this, those art poses websites are beyond boring

>>3030632
When did you realize this?

>>3030650

The problem with most films I watch is that they have closeups despite being well composed. There's not a lot of films that display the figure fully.

>>3024482
>STOP BEING SUCH A FUCKING WEEB YOU DUMB CUNT
Jesus, anime was such a waste of time and energy. Of course there are gems to be found and I still read manga from time to time, but I was /a/ tier fag obsessed.

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>>3030711

stop drawing your anime shit and study real people. please, for the love of god. don't let your '''friends''' shame you for drawing furry porn. continue to draw furry porn, you heathen.

try harder. just do it. please.

>>3030825
butthurt weeb spotted

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>>3030877
Autistic anime hater detected, go play with this stick.

>>3029626
Read that book. Of all the books on this matter, this might be the only one and this book is really well written. So many quotables.

>>3024482

More life studies, less random doodling. At least I started out learning perspective, so that's good.

>>3024482
wait a minute...is that Donald Trump?

>>3024482
Do not compromise yourself for anyone, but do not prevent your self from evolving. You have the choice to change as an artist at your discretion, never at the whims of others. And be honest with your work with yourself first, then with your audience. Communicate with them, this is what will make you stand out as an artist. When you are honest with yourself and approach to art, your style will emerge and will be your distinct voice.

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>>3030632
>>3030619

>Implying drawing ponies was the issue, and not practicing fundamentals correctly

Kiddorino....

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>>3030619
>>3030627
>>3030632
>>3030653
Let it be known, drawing ponies is for autists and won't get you anywhere. It is impossible to practice fundamentals wile drawing cartoon horses, brah.

>>3031263
Ain't he dreamy?

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>>3024482
Draw everyday, start practicing NOW or you'll regret it.

>>3024482
Fucking use construction you shit.

Shut up and draw

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>>3028623
this just made me break down and cry

>>3024482
Draw now, fix later. Don't obsess over the same fucking drawing. Start over if you need to.

>>3024482
Start

>>3025151
>MOVE OUT OF YOUR PARENTS HOUSE LIVING WITH OTHER PEOPLE AND ESPECIALLY WITH YOUR PARENTS MAKES YOU ANXIOUS AND IS HOLDING YOU BACK

this for me, but I dont make enough money for that, maybe I can move in with a friend
my parents are like the only people I dont want to see my art

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>>3031670
this guy is right, look at doxy he drew pony shit and today hes in japan trying to get his first doujinshi out

>>3024482
Stop worrying about sucking or producing awful art and get started. Anything worth doing well is worth doing poorly until you've made it.

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>>3030619
>>3030627
>>3030632
>>3030653
>>3031670
>>3031672
>>3035786
Being a Brony is like being given a gift from God

An advanced super race, with their own language, customs, culture, traditions and a rich history. A people who stand strong in the face of neighsayers and SUfag stupidity. Strong meme economy, strong meme army, strong fandom, the proud Mareman stands armed and ready to defend his pure fandom from the wraths of sub-human, SUfags, Homestuck cucks, Weeaboos, and other sub-human, animalistic, hordes. Oh how I thank God that I was born a handsome, tall, perfect Brony warrior.

With dual histories, one from the great Furry artists, discoverers, inventors, and intellectuals and another from the grandeur of the sapphic erotica masters of Eastern Europe I can stand tall and say I am proud to be a Brony, and I will love my fandom until the very last day.

Long live Equestria

>>3036047
this

>>3036047
>>3031672
>>3031670
I thought you got banned for post like this.

>>3033917
what
the
mother
of
all
fucks
am
I

>>3024482
Don't give a flying fuck if you think you're never gonna make it, just keep drawing no matter what.

>>3031263
Yes. He's a fucking god. I think he has that painting somewhere in one of his golden retreats.

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>>3027747
I won't argue about the
>wrongly think
because like you said >>3027798 I know how I was thinking back then, what I was good at, in what I was lacking and what later realization helped me push thru (hint hint >>3026425)

but I would like to argue about something else

for your first argument, I would like to add that memory is more important in drawing from imagination than perspective, while construction and proportions are kind of mixed in memory

for perspective all you need to know is what part of the object you see / where is in relation to the point of view
>its bottom, top, right, bottom left / under, over, on my left, on top left etc
everything else is remembering (memory) how those objects look from those angles

for constructions and proportions, again, if you remember (memory again) stuff such as
>is twice longer than wider/ is about 1.5 thicker here than here/ next to this muscles is this other muscles, which when one flex, the other relaxes etc
most of the work is done

for you second argument, yes, all kind of memory, I didn't mention visual memory to refer to it alone, this one actually plays a part just in getting ideas and playing with your composition. Texture, how it behaves, how it reacts to environment (light, water etc) how it affects the environment, all those can be memorized and will help your imagination drawing feel more alive, more real

>>3027747
and lastly, for your 3rd argument, it all falls down to 2 words: appeal and readability. Everybody likes different things, and they should stick to it to bring the most out of them, while all should aim for readability (If you like to draw dreamlike stuff obviously readability stays in helping your viewer say right away ''this feels/ looks like in a dream'' and not how detailed are the subjects in your drawing/ painting/ sculpture/ writing). Contrasts, focal points are all just tools for selling your idea, but not the aim of artwork itself (unless ofcouse, you make a rendering only to show how some rime light or whatever is contrasting on the model at the time of view)

the amano and the generic guy could both know from memory the same muscles, veins whatever. The thing which makes one better than the other at impressing the viewer is not that one is drawing from memory or not (they could use as many refs as they want as long as the end product is appealing), the difference, I believe, stays in what each artist choose to do with that memory. One might want to jerk off to the idea of ''look how patient I am, just like a photography'', while the aim of the other is drawing something pleasing to look at.

Again, the fame of the artist is not proportional to how many thing he knows from memory, but what he does with that memory, the memory is just a tool to make the drawing process easier and less interrupted.

>>3029524
I also let the school take most of my good stuff for display
>look what talented kids we have in here

it didn't help me with anything having my crappy old drawings there, but I do wish today I could look back I what I enjoyed to draw back then and what I considered good enough for me to show to others (today I hide 99% of my stuff)

>>3029705
>falling for being told you can be anything
>falling for the talent bullshit
dude, they are the same things, no wonder I had to reread your post a few time to get what you were trying to say

>>3029694
I am glad I made that realization at 18, wish I had made it sooner tho

>>3030227
wish I was you

that's the completely opposite you talking

>>3030619
illegal pupper

>>3028665
>>3028611
I'm having a lot of trouble with porn as well. Just spent the better part of the last 3 weeks binging it, and this isn't the first time it's happened. I hate it because it fucks my brain up to the point that I can no longer enjoy anything that isn't as immediately gratifying, so I get stuck in a rut where I lose the drive to do anything else.

How did you manage to stop it? I've "stopped' it multiple times, only to ultimately give in to it and fall back to my old habits. I feel completely helpless in overcoming this addiction, and it's slowly ruining my life.

>>3028693
>de-vices.
good one
But I agree with >>3028701
It's tough to not think about it when a large portion of my work involves studying and drawing cute naked girls. I just need to find a way to enjoy drawing as much as I enjoy jerking off.
Maybe if I had a motorized fleshlight that only moves while I'm drawing.

bet all your money on trump winning as soon as the betting sites allow it.

and draw every day. talent means nothing if it's not built upon.

>>3024483
What's sticky?

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>>3024482
Don't quit from arts university, you only last 3 months after beggining, you LAZY MISERABLE FUCK!

And before starting another fricking comic, make sure is gonna be consistent; write the goddam story first or at least the development of the characters before starting 12 or 46 pages just on the way. AND STOP BEING A FUCKING LEFTY SJW, YOU WILL REGRET

PS: knowing you love retrofuturism and nostalgic 70s,80s and 90s stuff, I'm gonna save you time, search VAPORWAVE... trust me you'll love it

...and FUTUREFUNK.

>>3038900
Cringe.

>>3038942
k

>>3038900

Looks like retarded version of Blacksad