/beg/ - THE BEGINNER THREAD

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>>3017457
Lol

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Go ham

>>3017482
Drawn with ipad and fingers. Lines look sketchy

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>>3017457
If when I see it I hate it....
Does that mean at least i know its bad?

>>3017524
Are you drawing an alien man. Or a woman

>>3017524
read the sticky/keys to drawing and start with still lifes

human figures are too hard for you at this point

>>3017524
Tip. Keep lines less pointy and more curved. Fine for males to have points. Not on women.

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I study male anatomy little bit. What do you think?

>>3017555
Oh i forget to turn

>>3017524
The torso looks a bit overdetailed, also what>>3017539 and >>3017542 said.

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I just learned that you from a silhouette you can draw both the front and the end of a figure.

Basically the ballerina illusion

>>3017583
"Do you like hurting other people?"

>>3017604
are you fucking retarded? is this bait? is this a light hearted joke? is this your way of expressing yourself.

Whatever it is, stop.

>>3017609
this ma girlfriend who dumped me like a dog

>>3017613
We are trying to learn art and your asshattery is not welcome here.

>>3017613
your name has no relevance to this thread or discussion
the only reason you have it on is because you are attention seeking.
take your name off, for the good of the board, thread, and yourself.

>>3017654
>>3016998

>>3017667
to my understanding i have those mostly correct (as correct as a beginner can be), end segment of the thumb along the curve of the finger connection, end of the digit along the curve of the first finger segment.

its possible im wrong. please redline.

also im after additional crits

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Obviously I'm very noob

Please could someone explain what's gone wrong with her legs?

>>3017687
she has no knees

>>3017687
>eyes are way too big
>eyebrows go past hair
>hair looks like it ends just before the back of her head
>hair looks like one giant piece
>no nose
>mouth with no lips
>no collar bone
>clothes mostly look painted on
>no sleeve so it looks like her shirt extends down to gloves
>shoes look weird
that's all I got from 5 seconds of looking at it

>>3017691
>eyebrows go past hair
>hair looks like one giant piece
>no nose
>mouth with no lips

Not them so don't freak out but these are actually part of a targeted style for some people.

>>3017687
scritch scratch

>>3017693
>its just the style bro
kys

>>3017698
Do you complain that chibi drawings aren't realistic too? Anon was asking about a specific part, you didn't help them at all.

>>3017699
when you post this kind of thing you are encouraging lacking quality.

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>>3017693
>it's just part of the style
>not like there's a bad artstyle

>>3017699
i'm the anon that did >>3017691
that's not me you're replying to

>>3017691

Thanks anon, that's quite comprehensive. Guess we all have to start somewhere.

>>3017695

That's the result of a lot of drawing and erasing in a futile effort to get it to look right.

>>3017701
and yet nobody has answered the original question

>>3017706
they are drawn wrong.
go and practice boxes and cylinders

>>3017706
how about making it look human before we make it look well dressed?

>>3017713
>just do it better
>still can't answer a simple question

/ic/ is full of bitter NGMIs who think they're in a position to criticize others

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>>3017687
her lower legs are too short compared to her upper thighs

she has thicc thighs but if you look at her skirt its flat the back so its like she has no butt. so you shoul either reduce her thighs or give her a corresponding butt

very cute drawing otherwise anon . i have started drawing anime myself too

>>3017718
>i have started drawing anime myself too
then it's the perfect time to stop

>>3017719

God forbid a beginner come to the beginner thread. Let us join hands and say 12 heil loomises in penance

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Rate my sea animals plz. Go hard

>>3017722
god forbid you actually try to draw humans instead of waifus

>>3017716
at your level nitpicking the tiny things is useless. spending only an hour drawing boxes will help you 10x more than knowing precisely what is wrong with those legs. also dont think there is a singular answer, its just all a bit wrong

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>>3017724
I draw aliens

>>3017725
>draw boxes to learn anatomy

>>3017726
then you'll fit right in with the anime crowd, anon
both are obsessed with probing

>>3017687
The hair and face 100000x worse than legs. Fix them first

>>3017723
>>3017726
I get the feeling you want to fuck Garrus from mass effect

>>3017728
Not the one bitching about anime. But mine still looks better with slight anime style looking.

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>>3017690
>>3017718

I tried to give her some knees

I can't control the thiccness very well, it just emerges naturally

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>>3017731
Oh fuck. How did you know. I have garrus blanket cover.

>>3017733
Hair and face still look fucking awful

>>3017732
I was just making a joke about how anime looks like aliens

>>3017735
Because you draw lizard puppy mouths on everything

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>>3017685
>> to my understanding i have those mostly correct (as correct as a beginner can be), end segment of the thumb along the curve of the finger connection, end of the digit along the curve of the first finger segment.
Well, you are fucking wrong in every single word here, kouhai. Go study real human hands and their joint length distribution.

>>3017718
>> her lower legs are too short compared to her upper thighs
You are horribly mistaken. Lower legs ARE supposed to be shorter than thighs in real humans.

>>3017732
seriously, though
yours looks better than most anime I've seen

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>>3017740
I draw aliens cause i suck aswell like people who copy and butcher anime :^)

>>3017739

I know, anon. I dream of the day I can learn to draw non-potato faces.

>>3017746
90% eyes theory

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>>3017741
And the noses and i shape the eyes different too also i have a feel style of ears i use more on my animals. >>3017744
Thankyou <3
>>3017746
I was inm a group and for some practice of proportion i traced peoples faces on an ipad app just to get the feel of it. Did 200 or so. But dont depend on it still lean from just looking at ref and memory. All my drawings i use memory cause id be fucked to copy with out grids and shit.

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>>3017750
Want some rough criticism tho. Posting a few pics getting this one as a tattoo

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>>3017756
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>>3017756
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>>3017756
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>>3017756
5

>>3017756
Are you gonna get someone to finish it, or will you tattoo it like it is.

>>3017764
I like how it is. But if the artist think they can improve it ill let them but id wanna see before its on me

Is there a "proper" way to draw with your whole arm/shoulder? I'm trying to get over using mostly wrist and finger movements.

sorry for the question that is always being posted probably. How do you find motivation when currently what you do sucks?

>>3017814
Hm, if you feel like you've hit a roadblock try to break problems down into smaller pieces.

>>3017814
you realize every great artist has been at your skill level before but they kept drawing, and so should you

>>3016780

if you want to focus on line work i recommend drawing with a pen liberally. so that you can be deliberate with each stroke.

>>3017814
Draw things you like. Most artists are able to get past that motivation hurdle because their only reason for drawing isn't just to get good. It's also because drawing makes them happy in some way, and that makes them want to work harder to do what they like better. So just draw.

I think this is also why a lot of successful artists started when they were younger. When your a kid, you don't worry about being good, you just draw what you want. So try and realize it's okay not to be the best artist right now, you will improve in time.

i've been going through drawabox but it seems like it's not getting me anywhere. I mean, I'm learning how to do the things that he's prescribing, but it's not helping with the annie may girls I'm drawing on the side, and I feel like I'm nowhere close to being able to even try tackling any of the references that are always posted in these threads, and it doesn't seem to be getting me closer either. Should I switch guides? I'm currently a couple months in and towards the end of lesson 2. I guess I just feel like I'd rather try memorizing values or grinding gestures or something than what I'm doing

>>3017524
ayy lmao

>>3017931
If you are indeed practicing regularly then it's probably time to find a different guide that works for you.

>>3017812
When it makes sense.

>>3017931
Studying gets easier if the study interests you.

>>3017931
drawabox=ISIS

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Made corrections from last thread

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>>3017687 >>3017733 here, does this hair look a bit better?

I feel somehow like I'm drawing in the style of a teenage girl who posts on deviantart

>>3017733
You replied to one insignificant point i made, and ignored that the leg proportions are incorrect. Her upper thighs are massive. The mid-point is the brim of the skirt. Her upper thighs are bigger than her entire torso.

>>3017977
You have to make the upper thighs a bit shorter, and then the lower legs longer.

>>3017974

Only slightly better. I struggle with hair too, you can't expect to get it in one day.

Gesture is a big part of how the hair flows. Practice gesture and flow in between hair.

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If I want to start shading do I add shadows/highlights to these colours
or darken these colours and add nothing but different degrees of highlights
I lack the idea of what the fuck I'm doing

>>3017768
>>3017756
Please don't tattoo yourself a beginner's art, for fucks sakes and all that's mighty.

There's a principle for beginners in art, and it is, don't get attached to any drawing. Know that they are just practice and you will be a lot better in the future. A permanent tattoo is extreme attachment, you're gonna regret it hard.

>>3017964
push the chin back a bit, also fix the bangs.
like someone else said, her hair looks like a hat instead of hair

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>>3017977
>>3017979

I wasn't expecting any more replies but on the basis of this I had one last attempt

By this point I'm too demoralised to continue though, I don't think it's salvageable.

>>3018012
Rather than trying to "fix" it, follow >>3018009's advice and just make another one.

How important is anatomy in art?

>>3017974
Got a blog? I like how you draw like me, anon.

>>3018027
Pretty fucking important

>>3018027
Depends on which art movement you're talking about.

>>3018027

Not much really, it's more important to develop your own style.

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>>3017457
Crit pls. It's a Deinonychus antirrhopus, using Scott Hartman's skeletal diagrams.

>>3018071
You're not thinking in forms; it's too 2D

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>>3017964
Hmm. You might need to add some lens effects to make the distortion look convincing. Shade the lens with a very light gray and use a soft eraser to make highlights of white. See the pic. And the hair, too.

And I don't think you defined the sweater curves (if it's even a sweater) alright, but I'm no expert on this myself, so take this attempt at redline only as a guidance. Only you know the exact size of her assets, so you should be able to make a better judgement than anybody.

What do you guys think of Proko?

>>3017923
>>3017831
>>3017815
good ideas, thx

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why is drawing from reference harder than drawing from imagination?
usually i hear it the other way around but i dont understand

>>3018108
You try hard to copy something. When you draw from imagination and you don't really care about the result, you simply doodle freely and unabashedly.

>>3018108
you're still symbol drawing and drawing from imagination is nothing but drawing symbols

>>3018108
>>3018111
When you don't care about the result, you get a shitty result.

Being able to draw well from imagination involves training your mind to "fill the blanks" and actually think of all the components of a painting (forms, light, textures, details, etc.) that are given to you when drawing from reference.

>>3018027
if you want to draw any kind of organic species it's>>3018041

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>>3017998
it looks pretty good so far
>>3018012
but i like the old face more

>>3018012
anything is going to look like shit when you have absolutely no understanding (or care, for that matter) of the fundamentals

it's the best option if you leave anime alone for a year/two years and start drawing from life

>keep drawing a lot
>produce many turds
>make something slightly above your level
>feel happy for a bit
>look back on it one week after, its shit
>repeat

so THIS........ is the POWER........ of the GRIND.........

>>3017687
Legs too thique, you want to make clear division between thighs/calves/knees.

>>3018133
Pretty much until you're able to consistently create exactly what you intended to.

>>3018133
i hope you're committed to being locked in for 4-5-6 years

else you're wasting your time. godspeed

>>3018116
what is the opposite of symbol drawing

>>3018141
drawing what you SEE and not what you THINK you see

>>3018119
Y'know, the less I care about the result, the better reactions I get, lol. Of course, that's true only to a certain level of not caring.

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>>3017457

>https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uwaXKU7ev6Tw_or__o8ARpUb6r2rCZYJGqwSFV9AD98/edit#bookmark=id.15jx3pyuimvj

as a shit-tier beginner, I just want to say how much I appreciate the time you anons have put into making this sticky. It has been immensely helpful to me and has given me some kind of path to work with.

>>3018132
>leave anime alone for a year/two years and start drawing from life
>two years

Anon, I might be dead by then.

I just want to be able to draw cute waifus, not create masterpieces. surely there are shortcuts that can be taken.

>>3018157
You still need to know anatomy. It might take 2 years, it might not. The point is you do need a grasp of the basic fundamentals like anatomy and perspective and you need to practice a lot

I don't agree you should ignore what you want to draw, but it shouldn't be the only thing you draw if you're a beginner.

How much work you put into it is up to you.

>>3018157
you're missing the point, but go ahead and keep drawing flat symbol-drawn anime and in two years don't come here asking why you're still shit

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Doing some watercolor, crit please

>>3018181
I don't have any useful crits to give you but I just wanted to say that I really like this.

>>3018181
You don't need to be in /beg/

>>3018183
You don't think it's overcomposed?

>>3018185
Where should I go?

>>3018188

>>3014561

There's a regular drawthread for people who already have core concepts and fundamentals down (which I would say you certainly qualify for)

>>3018188
/beg/

>>3018187
I'm not experienced enough or even close to your skill level to give you a solid opinion on whatever that means...

>>3018181
I really like it.

A few pointers:
-Try more wet into wet when you're putting down the base colors
-Layer less, try to get the color intensity right on the first couple of passes. Mix the paint darker than you think you need
-Don't drybrush unless it's for detail
-Experiment with not using black paint

>>3018194
Thanks for the tips. Will definitely color in darker than I should. I feel like I've overlayered this shit and it's muddying up some of the figures

Tips for setting up realistic daily goals for myself?

I have basically nothing to do until November and I'd like to use my time somewhat constructively. I have plenty of time in a day but I don't really have experience making myself draw every day and I don't want to burn myself out by forcing an unrealistic goal. At the same time I don't want to get lazy with a low goal either.

I know "stop planning just draw" and I am but I'd like to have a more structured path.

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So I know this is really sloppy, but I'm trying to map out my lighting. If I want to do some dynamic sort of black and white thing, do I have the highlights and such in the correct spots?

>>3018207
If you don't have experience with making yourself draw every day and don't want to burn out, you should work on that. That's your goal. Come back in a week.

>>3018207
Make easy goals that can be measured.
Some examples:
-draw 30min/day
-draw 5 figures
-fill one sketchbook page
-read 5 pages of loomis
-study head/facial feature/hands/arms for one week
-focus on values for two weeks

>>3018131
Are you drawing with a mouse? Please do something about those lines. Or increase resolution? Idk, the lines look 0% smooth, his chin to the right is all fucking up, his ear need a lot of work, his eyebrows don't really make sense, his iris are too big, eyes too simplistic, hair is flattened on top, shadows on hair are all wrong.

Please don't call that drawing "final". Practice more realism before doing anime.

>>3018238
Well thanks i feel like shit now.
It's like the only art style allowed here is realism. I like anime beause it doesn't need to be perfect.
I thought it looked ok but ok i guess i don't know what i'm doing.

>>3018246
>muh feelings
>muh style

Perhaps Tumblr is more your speed bud

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My submission for the frame-by-frame project over at /bane/. I don't draw humans much...any tips?

>>3018246
See if any anime style artists stream or do tutorials so you can see how they construct their figures

>>3018246
holy shit kys

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>>3018246
Even krenz cushart studies anatomy

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>>3018267
Opps that's huge sorry

>>3018108
It's the opposite for me. I think it means you really need to work on your observation skills. That drawing seems like a 10 minute sketch, you need a hell of a lot more detail than that. You should expect to spend at least 4-10 hours on a full body like pic like that. It would also be easier to do less. Do just the torso, just the face.. go little by little, it's mostly about patience.

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>>3018246
This is manga. People that actually know how to draw manga studied realism. I'm telling you to study realism. If I can tell you need to by seeing a manga character of yours, then it means you fucked up a lot of stuff.

It's like trying to build a japanese car without knowing how to build a car in the first place. Stop being autistic. Learn your fundamentals.

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>>3018238
>>3018246
Isn't this a pasta? Or am I just getting deja vu

>>3017654
whats wrong with the thumbs here?

>>3017974
Hair is better yes

>>3018313
You/he is making the middle bone way too fucking long. Look here:
>>3017742
Those bones should be of a very similar size, while in almost all of those drawings one is twice the size the other.

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I practiced drawing as many heads as I could. Changing the proportions in my imagination has become easier, but my skulls turn out misshapen despite triple checking.

I feel like my understanding of form is getting better so I want to start form painting and studies as soon as I can.

>>3018326
i try and line the marks up with the curves of the palm/fingers.

is it that i am starting it at circle 1 and not circle 2?

>>3018332
Just keep practicing and trying to notice where you're making mistakes. You'll be better at measuring as you draw more.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-NqaB1-F8o

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>>3018333
forgot image

>>3018333
That's not how I draw hands, and I'm also a beg, so I'm not sure, but in this picture:
>>3018335
Look at the distance between 2 and the first line, and compare that distance with the distance between the first and second line. Those distances are almost the same. English is hard.

Now look at your drawings. Those two distances are completely disproportional.

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this is the DOMINO MASK
he is your FRIEND
use him to CONVEY FORM AND PLACE EYES CORRECTLY IN RELATION TO THE CRANIUM

>>3018347
thanks senpai

>>3018347
ooh im saving this

>>3018340
so i should be starting the thumb at the second line?

>>3018356
I can't tell you how to construct it on the method you use because that's not the method I use and I have no experience with it. I already tried explaining it, that's as much as I can do by typing it and with English as my second language. Your thumb is too large, study references and compare.

>>3018246
Think about it like any given sport. You see Sports Black Man shoot a three from half way across the court. You've mever played sportsball, but you think "wow, I wanna do that". But you won't get anywhere just launching balls from the halfcourt line. You have to train your shooting form, your muscles, your footwork, your sense of space to get to a point where you can "effortlessly" nail a three.

In sports, you have the first 25 years of your life to get to this point, and if you haven't made it by then you're a failure forever. What's great about art is that you can be 70 and still git gud in time, and that the skills/life lessons you pick up learning are actually useful in the real world. You have no rush, just try to slow down.

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>>3018347
holy shit people are falling for this? Or is this ironic? You completely misunderstand the form for the nose too. mouse red related

>>3018332
though completely unappealing, you can leave beg.

>>3018383
why should anyone trust you

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After one day of gesture.
pls rate.

>>3018383
that guy has been drawing symbol anime and neglecting fundamentals for about 3 weeks and has an inflated ego because people troll him by complimenting his work. dont listen to him.

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Hi, these are some pixel art stuff i made during the week, i started recently and stuff

>>3018417
well the skeletor is alright but it seems like you fall to shit if you don't have a reference

>>3018416
>people troll him by complimenting his work
I don't think you know what trolling means

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How do I render my hippo better?

>>3018416
some of the praise is legitimate. His improvement rate is satisfactory within ignoring fundamentals. He's a talented fellow no doubt.
>>3018387
im a nice guy

>>3018424
that's one form of trolling, and it's pretty mean, makes the artist think he's doing the right thing and keeps doing the same mistakes, effectively fucking over his improvement rate for a few giggles

>>3018415
foreshortening is really bad, that foot is way too big, and is that chair twisting?

>>3018433
I don't think that's a good way to use the airbrush tool.

>>3018438
yeah its pretty bad. the bond of trust between the student and the teacher is very important. you have to learn not to trust /beg/ fully. its unfortunate and perhaps unhealthy but thats the way it is here. its either this, reddit or some SJW modernist dreadlocked teacher at your local college.

>>3018442
i thinks hes getting enough love and hate that its just enough to motivate him. Personally im waiting until hes just a tad better before i start helping him. He's kind of at a level where everything is just slightly off so its annoying to even attempt a redline.

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>>3017457
Aw fuck, this came out all wrong. It started as part of a nose study but turned into a full face reference crossed with construction and I'm really fucking lost.

I know I need to take longer on my studies but I have no clue on how to take longer. Stare at the page for longer? I'm getting back into the Draw a Box grind but it feels like I'll never undo years of shitty hand control.

I'll post the ref/other nose studies in a sec.

>>3018445
rotate and resize faggot.

>>3018445
you knew this was sideways when you posted it didnt you cocksucker?

>>3018444
>enough to motivate him
>ignoring fundamentals
nup

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>>3018445
Wait need to rotate pic

>>3018450
everyone report this kid.

>>3018450
Fucking hell I feel like this formatting is intentionally fucking over stupid phoneposters. I'll need a sec to fix this.

>>3018454
when i screenshot the image and post that instead, it's never come out sideways

no one needs to see 3000x2000 pixels of symbol drawing

>>3018453
Nah it's not me, I'm taking the images vertically but the formatting's showing up horizontal for some retarded reason. I don't have a not-fucked scanner on me at the moment so I'll have to send this to my email and reformat it that way.

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>>3018438
>>3018442
I "wounded the ego" of the box autists and now I'm pretty sure they take every opportunity to get mad at my work
case-in-point how it hardly gets critiques unless I slap meme dates on it to identify it as mine
>>3018444
>/ic/
>a source of motivation
cart before horse, ye mighty benevolent namefaggot

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>>3018456

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>>3018460
Alright, thanks anon, I'll pick up a scanner in the near future so y'all can shit on me more efficiently.

Ref. For comparison. Should I try to hone in on individual parts (I like the eyes but the nose, lips, and especially ears are fucked all to hell), go back to muh boxes, or try to make Loomis work?

I wanna take these next 2-3 weeks to focus on the parts/construction of the head to practice construction/loose perspective, but if I'm already too fucked for that I'd like to hear straight up.

>>3018462
just use clipping tool((windows)) and you can easily rotate in paint. Even a few websites'll let you rotate.

>>3018462
you're symbol drawing, do the same ref upside down without construction

>>3017524
Well bro, i know you did not intend it to, but I like that it looks like some thing out of supper jail.
Crit: I would go back to the gesture. You stiffened up the post a lot. I would focus first on 2d construction that captures the movement in the pose. Second, I would focus on being precise with your proportions within the gesture phase.

That way you have spent time first getting the weight, and movement of the pose then sized every thing properly.
>>3018181
You need to go to draw.

>>3018464
Before I start, how long should a /beg/inner take on a project like this? I always feel like I'm rushing on this stuff but I'm never quite sure how.

>>3018458

Keep going... Keep doing whatever you're doing.

>>3018469
it doesnt matter how long you take. but id guestimate 2 hours just for the lines as opposed to 7 minutes at an intermediate level

So with line weight, when would you use a thin line as opposed to a thick line?

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>>3018477
isnt this covered in the sticky?

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>>3018477

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>>3018440
I used dodge and burn tool. I've never used a brush to render stuff. Send help

>>3018481
I think the darker purple is a bit off, if you can make it more complimentary I'd wear this on a shirt.

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>>3018481
resized

>>3018437
The improvements is an illusion. Really look at it. He's at that level since day 1. All I see is that he spend more time on details.

Shitty anime face and figure is easy. A good anime face and figure requires sturdy fundamentals. Give me one amazing artist that got to that level by only doodling anime.

>>3018488
i respectfully disagree. I'm ready to say he'll double in skill in 1 years time.

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>>3018488
>he's at that level since day 1
don't meme
>only doodling anime
I've done 3 studies of beg pics. What I haven't done is drawn boxes to infinity like a total fucking lube-your-memes autist.

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>>3018490
noob gains are present in any form of skill-based hobby

if he keeps it up he'll end up stagnating (and probably quitting) after two years and regret not studying more

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>>3017461
My perspective is still trash. But its something to post I guess.

>>3018504
why did you draw the pose horizontal?

>>3018498
please dont defend yourself like this. This 35 day improvement is less than you think it is. And though you can totally learn to draw without drawing boxes, you need to work towards attaining an intuitive grasp of form and interlocking. Right now you're working on a near 0p version of a neck+trapezius combo.

Ive taken the liberty of showing you what it mightve looked like if you had even attempted to internalize these and show us you understand the form youre putting in. Yellow is removable, blue is the new lines. Mouse so take accuracy as a grain of salt.

>>3018506
Should I have drawn it vertically? But she is laying down. I don't understand.

>>3018508
let it be known that i immediately regret my decision but will get too much shit if i delete this so i cant go back.

>>3018486
Thank you kind anon. Which one looks better?

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>>3018513
forgot pic

>>3018510
no, i think you should have drawn it the way it looks in the picture
that would be diagonal

>>3018515
Green is pretty dope though I might go with blue if you reversed the colors

>>3018517
ah you're right! I hate how oblivious I am to these things.

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>>3018502
>he'll end up stagnating
says increasingly nervous /beg/gar for the second time this year
>haha, in 2 years these boxes will make me good and he'll have quit
hold onto that
>>3018508
>>3018512
>DUDE LUBE YOUR MEMES APPLY PERSPECTIVE
cannot fathom why you'd regret saying such a thing, have a doodle

>>3018533
>wasting time on anime

>>3018536
wtf i hate anime now

>>3018536
yeah kid, go draw some ducks or something, people will probably put on your gravestone "that guy who drew ducks about 60% as good as Loomis"

>>3017462
is that adam sandler

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>>3018462
The thing is that you are drawing from reference but you are not doing a study, you are symbol drawing on top of a memorized Loomis construction.

I'm not good either but pic related took me about 2 hours and a half. I also think there is way too much light in your reference picture, personally I find it a lot more difficult, find a pic with more shadows, it's more fun and helps you locate everything easier.

Try to measure everything by looking a lot at the reference, every line you draw see what angle it has and what you can compare it to to make sure it's alright.


Also, anyone that wants to critique my study please.

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>>3018533

>>3018546
flip that horizontally and sort your shit out mate, inexcusable two-face tier anencephaly shit

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>>3018548
i dont know how big you think a skull is.

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>>3018554
>anime skulls

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>>3018559
fact of the matter is, once you reach eyebrows, especially ones that are raised, youre nearly done.

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I tried.

dont mind the shitty faces and I didn't have any paper...

>>3018571
If you are committing to drawing with a pen then learn cross-hatching. Alphonso Dunn on youtube has great tutorials on it, and his book is supposed to be good, all about pen drawing.

Either way, as a beginner, sketch it out with pencil first, then apply ink. There's no point in critiquing your own work when you can't/won't fix it. Keep fixing it until you think it's perfect, or have no idea what is wrong with it, then post it.

>>3018571
I mean you're on the right track

Does surrounding myself with the bad art from /beg/ instead of decent art slow my gains?

>>3018583
Yeah

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added some shade.
>>3018580
I'll check out Alphonso Dunn for sure.

Normally I'd try sketching out with pencil and inking it when its done but atm in a hotel with only a pen and free notes.

>>3018581
:)

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help me, I can't find a pose to add the legs in this torso

>>3018617
Just make it up. They have to touch the ground. It looks like contrapossto too.

>>3018617
is that digital or paper?

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what should i use for references if i don't have a lot of knick knacks? i've drawn everything on my desk. i don't like drawing from the screen. i'm not sure why, it just doesn't feel right.

should i get one of those ragdoll model things and pose it? what do yall use when you're drawing from real life references?

>>3018627
literally
anything

>>3018627
The point isn't that the subject is particularly interesting it's that it's a real thing.

>>3018335
Don't be a retard and learn to draw proper curves before you try to "measure" like that. Also, what the fuck, you have your own two hands. You don't need no fucking images. Take your own hand, STRETCH IT OUT STRAIGHT, and press the thumb against the side of your hand. Note the alignment and learn.

>>3018618
everything looks bad like there's no way to add the legs

>>3018629
>>3018630
but i barely own anything. the only other things i own are clothes, guitars, and books. i don't want to go outside and look like an autist staring at random shit and drawing it.

i was just wondering what makes good reference material.

>>3018640
>sketching is considered autistic behavior

guess im out of touch

>>3018632
Breasts seem a bit too low

>>3018640
Of all the possible problems a beginner can have you have found the dumbest. Congrats.

>>3018645
Ah yeah, I was hoping it would look okay because I made them rather large.

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>>3017459
Ears. How do they work. Someone help

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>>3018660
Connect it to the jaw, it doesn't hang off the side of the head like a pectoral fin unless you're drawing Undyne

>>3018450
>>3018462
there's a reason loomis starts with cartoon heads. I know it's boring but it'll help you to start with just placing features on a rotated ball instead of an actual head

>>3018632
nice sketch, I can tell you do lots of gesture drawings. As the other anon said though, the left breast looks wonky as does the right shoulder.

>>3018632
Do you do a lot of gesture drawing or do you just like to draw people leaning for some reason?

>>3018670
Thanks! I will try to fix that.

>>3018671
Yeah, I'm mostly practicing gesture and casual poses right now, so my drawings at the moment have many leaning characters.

>>3018675
Any tips for practicing gestures?

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>>3018676
It really helped me to learn the weight distribution of a figure and trying to convey that balance with the flow of the gesture. Something like the pic is what I'm trying to learn how to do. Proko's gesture method is also useful.

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>>3018618
look this Is what I'm talking about
>>3018623
digital

>>3018694
The left thigh should be shifted a bit. It honestly looks okay, not great, but you could fix it after finishing the arms and head, so we can see the balance.

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Reference from other thread.

Didn't follow it as close I could've.

>>3018685
not him but ive also been watching proko's vids. been practicing the bean and bridgman's moveable masses.
im just a beginner but isnt your pic related's boxes all out of perspective?

>>3018713
I haven't practiced perspective much yet so I can't say. What about it looks off?

>>3018712
it looks like she has a beard for some reason

>>3018723
they look a bit too perfect. he explains it in this vid i think.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=annotation_1137660967&feature=iv&src_vid=yqxPHew5bGQ&v=3uEtdDvK6Xo

>>3018738
Good video. I think I see what you mean. Maybe that pic isn't following vanishing points accurately if at all for some of the boxes.

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So I'm reading this Vilppu book thats in the sticky and he does a lot of these robo looking poses early in the book.

I'm sure im doing it wrong because of course. But do any of you guys actually use this style before construction?

>>3018800
youre doing it right, just really shit. like look at the box for the head, come on nigger wtf.

>>3018802
Thanks nosebro!

>>3018800
that's what im doing right now. except for the limbs.

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IM STILL SHIT

>>3018830
Have you tried gitting gud?

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>>3018800
>>3018802
>>3018816
Holy fuck this is good shit tho

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i feel like im overlooking something crucial, but i cant put my finger on it.

thoughts?

>>3018856
a. are these men or women? b. the hips look way too wide and disjointed from the pelvis. c. their arms are way too long.

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How much a dollar really cost?

>>3018856
Cool aliens there, although their features are a bit too humanoid. You should probably add some antennas, tentacles, or extra eyes to complete the designs.

>>3018865
Uh, is that gear taken from Star Wars?

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critique please

>>3018955
Dude, that art is killer.

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>>3018955
>>3018957

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>>3018955

>>3018856
In the words of Viktor Vivisector: WHY ARE THEY SO THICK

>>3018623
The amount of brain rot
of course it's digital :v just look at it mayne

>>3018571
Weird*

>>3018533
I don't know who your stupid ass is but man your anime skills are shit. I'm a weeb and you're making me look like a normal conforming human

>>3018974
post work uberweeb

>>3018856
Your volume is pretty inconsistent, review it a bit. Also review anatomy; I suggest you hampton's figure drawing manual

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If everyone in here is a beginner, then I'll just go ahead and fucking kill myself.

This piece of shit is an attempt to draw my daughter. Sorry it's a photo and not a scanned. Though I attempted to draw what I saw, some of it turned into symbol drawing. The band around her dress isn't nearly that simplistic, and of course, fucking hands.

>>3019006
Man, you're way too beginner to try doing a fully rendered human figure. Focus on getting some fundamentals down and some basic figure drawing

A human is among if not the most complicated thing you can draw. It'll take time before you can make something accurate

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>>3019006
Jesus Christ. That didn't photograph well at all. The whole thing was drawn with a H2, so that's probably why.

Anyway, /ic/, I am a former government bureaucratic who is being slowly killed by desk jobs and paperwork. My goal is to be a tattoo artist. I am a complete novice at drawing, and this shit is fucking hard as shit. Took a little "personal enrichment" class at my local community college months ago, then never practiced after that. This is my first time picking up a pencil again in months, and I suck. As stylized as most tattoos are, I've thought maybe I don't need to get gud at drawing realistically from life, but deep down, I know that's just lying to myself. Even American Traditional requires realistic proportions and shading and shit, and with the popularity of high quality black and gray, it wouldn't make sense to limit myself stylistically.

Pic is where I'd like to be someday. Chicano style ink is really appealing to me.

>>3019015
Don't get discouraged everyone had to start somewhere, it is hard work but if you keep at it every day and focus on your fundamentals you'll get there eventually.

I believe with tattoos you need to pay very special attention to linework above all then shading second. So keep those in mind

>>3019015
Beg is not your blog and nobody cares about your fucking life problem. Go read the sticky and if you have already do more exercises to break symbol drawing.

>>3019006
3d humans are hard.

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I have a serious problem with proportion, distance and size. Any advice?

>>3019023
You seem to have a orientation problem as well.
read the op.

>>3019023
Can't crit something like that, just pick up a book and follow the exercises while thinking about how they can help you, you're not going to see improvement yet.

>>3019027
I was in the beginner's guide from the sticky and the first exercise was to draw this. Should I start over, keep drawing this one or just move on to the next part?

>>3019028
Thanks

>>3019009
>Focus on getting some fundamentals down
I'm not even entirely sure I know what this means. I go to the sticky and click the fundamentals, and it's... a mixed bag. Fuck am I supposed to be doing?

>>3019023
When I did that one I did it pretty well. The advice I got told was to act like a scanner. Don't go from the arm all the way up to the head.. do every line in the bottom first and slowly work your way up. Line by line.. check every angle it creates.. ever negative space.. take your time, do it slowly and double check everything.

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I'm new to gesture drawing (not new to art in general though - but I ain't that good) and have been trying it out with ~2 minute pose drawings (except for a couple of these).

How am I going?

>>3019038
A couple of those made me want to fap so I would say pretty good.

>>3019035
Find a life/figure drawing course and stick with it unless you absolutely hate it and aren't making any gains, then try a different one.

>>3019032
You seem to be confusing the op with the sticky.

>>3019035
Start with the intro.

>>3019044
>You seem to be confusing the op with the sticky.
oh, my mistake

>>3019050
Okay, so first of all I'm sorry for not resizing my image properly. Should I delete it?
Secondly, should I start with OP sticky instead on the old one?

>>3019057
>OP sticky

Nigger this is the sticky:
https://hubpages.com/art/how-to-draw-learn

That's all the guide you need, any extra questions here or QTTDTOT.

As a /beg/ what was the most helpful piece of advice you were given?

For me it was doing long confident lines rather than chicken scratching

>>3019069
references are important

>>3019064
>→ →
>There's a new (and cleaner) sticky in town! You can see it at:

>https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uwaXKU7ev6Tw_or__o8ARpUb6r2rCZYJGqwSFV9AD98/edit#bookmark=id.15jx3pyuimvj

What about that?

>>3019072
Read both.

>>3019075
Alright.

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it's been awhile

>>3019086
i mean the legs aren't that bad

>>3018694
the away leg is weird.
and she would be extremely short, midget-size.

>>3018712
looks good but you should finish it

>>3018833
are those...nipples?

>>3018856
1st figure looks like an ostrich hybrid

>>3018856
t the angle the cavicles are, they would be supposed to meet the shoulders much sooner than where the shoulders are

>>3018458
/ic/ is motivating

you have to be masochistic

like that scene in hacksaw ridge where the dude is pulling the survivors one by one to safety.

for every new asshole someone tears you out here, you must go and say "please lord just give me one more"

>>3019044
All the intro has is that fucking picasso exercise and the chart thing. What is the next logical step? Just start watching these youtube videos?

>>3019020
>I believe with tattoos you need to pay very special attention to linework above all then shading second.
I believe you are right. Does this make a meaningful difference for how I should proceed as a beginner?

>>3019021
no u

>>3019022
How do I do 2d humans? ...or 2d anything. Even the drawings that get described as "quick sketches" seem like an impossible goal to me right now.

>>3019086
What is this style called? I know it is Japanese anime and it's an older style but does it have a name? It makes me think of Shin Chan.

>>3019106
It's the "deviantart fanart" style.

>>3019106
I'm guessing they're trying to imitate the "classical shoujo" style from around late 70s to 80s along the lines of Sailor Moon

>>3019106
Pretty sure it's called "under aged faggot", "deviantart reposter" or something along those lines.

>>3019115
Not sure why you made that post when someone else already already did in a less underage way. Are you really that NGMI

>>3018256
That's a big guy. Jokes aside though, I'd say you're going in the right direction. My tip would be to just keep on drawing human figures, because your anatomy is lacking. Perspective is a whole other issue, but my advice would be to work on your figure drawing first.

>>3019104
Mate, right now you are an utter beginning. You've got a goal in mind, but you have to start with core fundamentals. Think about it, if you can't even draw a proper cube in perspective, then how will you be able to draw a decent looking human.

I recommend you start off with drawabox and some of Peter Han's dynamic sketching videos, and start practicing and grinding the exercises from the first couple of lessons for the next couple of weeks. Once you understand 3d spaces, shapes and perspective, then you can move on to more things.

>>3019161
>>3019161
>>3019161

>>3019161
>>3019161
>>3019161

>>3019161
>>3019161
>>3019161

>>3019154
>right now you are an utter beginning
Yeah. My point exactly.

>Peter Han
I'm on the first dynamic sketching video right now. Gonna draw straight lines until my hand falls off. Thanks anon.

>>3019172
You got this, anon! Remember, it's gonna be a really long process, so I like what this anon posted >>3018156

Stay calm, practice and repeat exercises. Try to dedicate a few hours every day.

Also, typo, beginner*

>>3019006
>doesnt know how to use a condom

lmao

>>3019310
Married, college graduate, full time job, benefits. Why wouldn't I have a kid? It's only in hindsight that I know the career was gonna go to shit.

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/ic/ I'm going to be doing a half an hour of fundamentals for a day and going to see my results, whats the best way to practice 30 minutes of

Fundamentals:

Basic shapes
Anatomy and construction
Light and value
Perspective
Colour
Composition

pls help

>>3019365
>TFW your kid is gonna git gud before you

>>3017735
Blog?