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i felt like my expressions were garbo,so i grabbed this grid and tried drawing my waifu. can i get some tips,notes or whatnot for doing expressions such as this?

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>>3012099
Goddamn, ain't it fugly. While there are at least some hints at the intended expressions, you really suck at them.

Solution: go to danbooru/gelbooru and search by "moaning" / "happy_sex" / "naughty_face" / "heavy_breathing" tags (NOT all of them together, although you surely can combine them). Go through MANY (I speak dozens or hundreds of) pages, opening all or most of the pics, inspecting them thoroughly, selecting the best looking ones, and memorizing what makes them good. If you can't grasp the correct form, save the pic, trace it on a separate layer and then disable the original layer. When you've memorized the expression, copy it N times to train both your visual and muscle memory. N depends on your IQ / memory. The better it is, the less is N.

>>3012118
get better taste in waifus

>>3012123
nice post

>>3012123
thank you,ill do just that

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zoom zoom

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>>3011134
>>3011151
Thanks anon for the edit and advice. I tried to fix whatever I could but I'm not totally satisfied with it. Anyway it's time for me to move on to other pieces now, I guess I'll need to study other artist's work too in the mean time.

>>3012159
nose is too high.

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technically supposed to be horizontal because it's fightstick art but turned it vertical for display purposes idk

so glad my art is being used.

>>3012172
awesome, rest of you shitters need to erase what you were about to post and redraw it before you embarrass yourself

>>3012172
looks okay, did you plan out where the stick and buttons are going to go, kinda looks like the stick might cover part of her face

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>>3012217
yeah should be ok, this is the template i used

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>>3012218
fair enough, sticks usually have this little collar (pic related) but i guess you can just leave it off for the sake of artwork

>>3012232
it's about the same profile as a button, fyi

>>3012232
the collar goes on on top of the outer socket that the joystick goes into.

>>3012261
yeah so it'll obscure a bit more of the picture than the template suggests, that's all.

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havent posted art here in a while, but here we go

>>3012297

The pose is really stiff and awkward, like, what the hell is she doing? Fix the connection of the head to the neck.

>>3012118
Well the size of the mouth barely changes in any of these, the overall face shape *never* changes (why are the cheeks not moving at all? Cheeks are soft, cheeks move) and the only real change in the eyes is if the top eyelid comes down by 1/4th, 1/2th, etc. Basically, just not enough change in size or shape between them, and a real lack of cohesion in the faces themselves. If someone's happy their whole face is happy, not just the mouth and eyes.

>>3011694
Do you have a blog?

yo

>>3012297
Artists usually warm up the midtones because that's where light travels through skin the easiest and reveals the blood underneath, but it doesn't make much sense in this piece as almost all light under water is very diffused.

>>3010273
Blog, pls?

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Tried to improve this, maybe color it later.

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>>3012667
When exaggerating the hips, you should probably exaggerate the whole area, muscle and fat, thighs, transition from belly, everything.
You seem to have just spaced the trochanters farther apart, which looks more uncanny than it looks sexy with the huge gap in between.
See pic related.

I really like the stylization and the confidence pouring from the sketch though, may I request your blog?

>>3012297
hair does not behave like that in the water lol.

>>3009549

plz sauce for this manga?

>>3012667
liked the old first sketch better

Can anyone recommend artists who draw nice feet like Kyle? The less depraved the better.

>>3012762
At the end of every post header is an arrow, maybe something funny happens when you click it

>>3012800
doujin pages rarely if ever return results on iqdb or google

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I am very confident that I will fuck this up.

>>3012809
true, but in this case it does get you results

>>3012826
post lewds or I'll report you

>>3012826
is that her monster dong in the bottom right

>>3012826
You wanna add a hairpin or a band or whatever in her hair? 'cause that carrot looks like someone jammed it in her skull.
Just sayin'.

>>3012423
i will also keep this in mind

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>>3013043
Really like her expression.

>>3012826
is that ship her cock?

>>3013043
even if it falls into perspective the shoe closer to the vanishing point is way too small.if it going to be that small then everything else in this comp should also fit to that dramatic alignment

>>3013077
God fucking dammit
Can you remove the cock?

>>3013309
>Can you remove the cock?

What are you gay or something?

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the general style I have while working on perspective and portion. I'm very inconsistent; any tips and critique.

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come as you are

>>3012762
Here you go my dude it's somewhere in here just scroll thumbnails or something
https://nhentai.net/g/124787/

>>3013364
Nice job on the hair.

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some scribbles, venting out some emotion

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How do i improve my style? like the face in general i cant do it. Like i can either draw a head and face correctly and decent looking or I draw a body decent and the head is retarded af. It's hard to get both to work for me. Also the style of my faces i think looks bad...

>>3013314
clean up your lines

>>3013364
The legs seem to be a bit too short

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probably keep working on the ninja later

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Here's my first proper inked artwork of one of my manga's characters
Thoughts about it?

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>>3012667
Ok I don't wanna look at this anymore.

>>3012780
me too but I need to actually finish things in a more complete "illustration" style.

>>3012723
woah thanks, I've always struggled building the hips specially when trying to exaggerate features like this, guess I need to study more.

>>3013737

Oh fug that is too cute.

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Hey class! Time for some crits! As always you're all a disappointment and I wish you wouldn't draw smut.
>>3012118
Exaggerate the faces more, try simpler expressions first, read the book "Unmasking the Face".
>>3012148
Cute but you're values are all too dark, try getting some more variation between light and shadow. A good way to check is switch on a threshold layer and make sure there's good amount of lights and darks.
>>3012159
Decent rendering, but you're trying to fit the figure into the composition and that's jeopardizing your anatomy. She also doesn't look like she's actually holding her musket.
>>3012172 >>3012218
Sick, looks much better horizontal.
>>3012297
You have an awkward mix of rendering and colored line-art. The composition is boring and it's hard to tell what the emotion and narrative of the piece is.
>>3012667
Pretty good start, silhouette could use a little work. Next time I'd love to see you keep the lines a little cleaner and with more purpose, less scribbles.
>>3012818
Me too.
>>3012826
Looks cool, I'd like to see you push the emotions more, the only one that's working for me is the middle one.
>>3013043
The right figures lower legs connect weird, along with left figure's head is not sitting on her shoulders correctly. Good line quality tho.
>>3013314
Clean up your lines and work at a higher DPI and resize your images before you post.
>>3013364
Some slight problems with anatomy, but otherwise its fine, kind of boring.
>>3013494
This is a warm-up, keep drawing!
>>3013566
How to get a style: git gud at drawing from life, copy your favorite artists, everything you steal put your own spin on it, don't doubt yourself just keep drawing.
>>3013737
Reminds me of Taki and Hilde from Soul Calibur. Cute tho!
>>3013739
Points for the hard perspective but this looks bad. Work on your anatomy be more careful with your lines and varying your line weight. Read more Berserk and actively look at how he draws.
>>3013742
Draw the fucking hand you pussy.

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Finally colored this from a while ago.

>>3013927
That's really cute anon, you got an art blog?

>>3012873
You will follow them to the fucking letter if you want to improve. How well has """keeping things in mind""" worked out for you so far :^) ?

>>3013946
thanks man, yeah its evaneley.tumblr.com

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drop

>>3013927
That's badass, Anonymous.

>>3013974
It's cute but why's her eye touching her ear?

>>3012148
>>3013926
thanks anon. i knew my values were all too close together, but i don't know exactly how to fix it. guess ill try some more value studies

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The Towergirls thread is slowing a bit so I thought I'd post here. Thoughts?

>>3013974
are you tracing the same pic?

>>3013926
Thanks anon for the crits! Will try to work on the issues you've mentioned

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take this 30 minute thing. this is the first drawing i've done since march, i think.

requesting a redline and some general crit? if this even warrants crit

>>3014535
the little girl is cute. the big one is all kinds of fucked up.

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need help with her hand. wanna make her hold a school bag but cant make her hand look correct. any other critique is welcome

>>3014581
this is very cute. Got a blog?

>>3014581

you can put your own hand more or less in that position and see it.

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>>3014581

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>>3012107
I want to die.

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Is there a way to properly sketch? Especially when u are suck at porpotion and anatomy ?
I am doing digital btw

>>3014678
>You changed the perspective.

>>3014730
That's like asking how to draw. Post your work.

>>3013737
Those feet should hurt

>>3014726
Hang in there, Anonymous. Your pic is pretty cool.
The only crit that comes to mind is that the outer corner of pink-hair girl's left eye should be lowered a bit. Let's see more of your work.
We're all gonna make it.

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>>3014732
One of my shitty work
Still beginner thou

>>3014763
give up

>>3014730
>especially when u are suck at porportion and anatomy
and english too, apparently
seriously though, you've identified the areas you have issues with (proportions, anatomy) so go deal with those first.
I suggest looking at Proko's videos on mannequinization, which are helpful for breaking bodies into basic 3d shapes. Try apply the same to your drawings.

>>3014726
The hair strands on the top left of the purple hair, and the lower right and the center top of the pink hair, seem a bit too busy and sloppy, and clash with the crispness of the faces. A more graphical approach that simplifies the interior of the hair and saves the harsh lines for the contour of the hair is worth a try.

>>3014763
>>3014846

Don't.

Start with observational drawing. Use line-of-action's website to practice life drawing poses to get a feel for anatomy and positioning. Break up what you see into lines you can emulate onto paper. Don't worry about time limits for now, focus on accuracy and then, over time, speed up your work. Good luck, you can do it, anon. We all start somewhere.

>>3013966
nigga,calm down i said "ill keep this in mind"in the sense that i had already received a response .that i was going to follow through with.
acknowledging yours so i could use your advice as well

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>>3014763
>that face
study the fundamentals, dear anon

>>3014875
holy shit lmao. Hope he actually didnt use the feels guy as reference

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Haven't touched pencil and paper since I picked up a used iPad and started experimenting with digital.
I really like both.
I travel for a living and everything I use regularly has to be portable. Anyone know of portable, high-quality scanner or alternatives?
This cell phone camera clearly won't do.
Also, feedback is always welcome.

>>3014891
How do I get as good as you?

>>3014893
I'm not that good. Just practice. I started in January.
Only thing I grind is measured circles and ellipses, and no more than a few minutes a day. Helps me with line accuracy and control. Other than that I draw what I like.

>>3014897
You must draw what you like a lot, because I'm not at your level and been at it for a few years.

>>3013926
>>3012118
ill give this a try too !

>>3014900
Keep at it anon!
I really can't overstate the importance of trying to maintain and improve line accuracy. The better that is, the more useful all your studies will be.

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>>3014847
>>3014865
Thanks a lot bro ,btw do grinding these thing make me better? I use references too, and how to counting head if your character sitting ,squad,or bow?
I live in third world asian country , sry for my awful english

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>>3013828
>>3013926
thanks
>>3014739
probably

>>3014926
the first belly roll should be thinner as well as making her ribcage bigger
the foot on the right should be a bit closer to other knee too
and the fingers on her hand should follow the direcion of her leg as it seems they are just hanging

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>>3011694
cleaned up a bit, I think I fixed the weird waist area now too. Bit of weirdness on her right shoulder but I'll fix that, I'll do more arm/hand studies when I'm done with this since they gave me a ton of trouble

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How's this look? Any anatomical mistakes? I can't seem to catch any myself.

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>>3015142

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>>3015116
The ribcage is not a slinky; it cannot bend
try drawing the rest of the body before adding a hulking set of tits to it so you don't make mistakes like that

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>>3015116
Stop trying to desecrate Etna's body

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I can't actually paint but the paintbrush feels much better for roughing stuff out than sketching it, is this bad?
also any critique before I ink this

>>3015142
the arms seem fucked, but that perspective and body anatomy is fine work

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Which one looks more imposing?

I wanna go for a strong female warrior that just fucks shit up. It's the chimera princess from the tg if that helps.

>>3012723
I forgot my blog is yaow12.tumblr.com

>>3015343
1, 4, 5 look boring
3 doesn't even make sense
2 is pretty good

>>3014950
>how to counting head if your character sitting ,squad,or bow?

Find "landmarks" on the body for head lengths.
Number of heads from one major joint to the next. Then you can bend the joints and follow the lengths around the curve.
Works in perspective too. Each head is a box, foreshorten the boxes using perspective construction, then count as normal.

>>3015343
2 is the coolest one

>>3015343
gonna go with 2

>>3015142

Your lines in the left and right elbow suggest you were unsure where to put them.
All of the suggestions are in the right place, clean up the lines.
You will learn a lot more from this piece if you clean up the sketchy lines and commit to placement.
For example, the right boot's silhouette is correct, but matching the details in perspective will take you to the next level.

>>3015349
>>3015426
>>3015431
Though 2 looks the coolest it doesnt look that much intimidatingg from this angle imo. If i think about intimidating something like 4 semms to fit more, as she looks down on the viewer- Same with 5, though boring she feels way more intimidating.

>>3015438
It looks boring because for it to be intimidating it would look much better from another angle

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>>3015202
If this is a camera lens, it's a fisheye.
The head, torso, and jacket have one perspective while the legs have another.
You were on the right track. Her forward knee is placed correctly.

>>3015438
Not really, for something to be intimidating looking from the frogs perspective is pretty much a must.(maybe not AS exaggerated). And my problem with 2 and for that matter also 3 is that they are too close to being on eye lvl.
I also think that 4 is more intimidating because of her left arm sticking out and not being placed on her hip(which is what i like about 5). This shows a lot more aggression, but the way she holds her sword seems kind of bland, which is what I find more exiting in pose 2.
>>3015343
In the end i would go for something like: Angle as low as 5 with pose 4 (or mirrored so its similar to pose 2) but with the sword of 2.
If you use the perspective of 4 (just a little lowered maybe) and the sword position from 2 you get a downward slope with usually instills a bad feeling, while an upward slope isa little bit more positive. Also if the sword is in front you could flesh that one out a little bit more if you have fun doing that.
Hope my opinion helped.

>>3015343
Definitely 2
>Thirded.

>>3015481
fuck i meant to reply to >>3015456
not myself.

>>3015480
I wouldn't go for a total redraw, just moving the legs is sufficient to make the piece work.
It's a difficult perspective.
My interpretation certainly isn't the last word on the subject.

>>3015074
lucky me, I got a critique thank you anon

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>>3015480
>>3015487
didn't see this until I was done but why are you STILL trying to redline shit dude
you haven't even fixed your faces

>>3015620
wow nice neck, is she supposed to be the aroma of shit?

>>3015655
D:

>>3015649
Why are you still whining at critique on a critique board?
Why did you ask for critique if you were gonna ink it regardless?
Why doesn't the perspective in your little red thumbnail match the perspective in your drawing?
How do my 4 lines suggesting the placement of unfinished facial features represent enough to make the statement you made about my faces?
Why is the front face of the right jacket hem visible at that angle?
So, now the torso, legs, and face are frontal but the hair, hat, and jacket are still top-down?
Forgetting the argument, what does my face problem have to do with your perspective problem?

>>3015655
Please provide a better critque instead of shitposting ty.

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>>3015620

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>>3015667
jesus christ, nice novel my man.
>>3015669
k fine
>>3015620
distance from neck to shoulder is wider

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>>3013364
Not a redline, just an analysis. I was wondering why is that picture so fucking aesthetic.
Just beautiful.

So much bitterness.

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>>3015620

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pow

>>3015620
Cute.

>>3015620
It's okay for the lines to touch each other
It's not gay

>>3015343
I'd also go with 2, but the angle is a bit too straight-on. Either stick with it but zoom in on her shoulder/expression to enforce the distortion, or put the camera lower, maybe around her crotch, so that she's basically telling you to suck it. Be sure to build her with boxes so that she stays on the ground firm and strong.

And thanks for the blog, lots of good stuff there. I use the same theme c:

>>3015062
Hand over that blog and nobody has to get hurt.

How do I into loli proportions?

>>3015805

ref real lolis

>>3015807
without getting v&?

>>3015811

of course

plenty of photobooks with kids (legal) in them

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>>3012107
does anyone have tutorials and references besides the one in the OP?
>http://pinterest.com/characterdesigh/
I can't into pintrest but it seems each category is just the same 15 or so guides recycled in a different order ad infinitum
and the board's sticky references mostly pertain to fundamentals and realistic drawing, not annie may

so far I've just been using danbooru to get examples of what I want but it only tags certain things.

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>>3015649
Also, OK, you called me out about faces, which is fair.. Here's progress.
>>3015722
7 sentences = novel... Damn. I didn't know.
I emailed my publisher and got this back...
>"No it's not, your should feel stupid for even asking that. I expected better from you. It seems I overestimated your maturity. Stop wasting my time."

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>>3015829
>your should feel stupid for even asking that. I expected better from you. It seems I overestimated your maturity. Stop wasting my time
>your should
How does one autist become so utterly buttfrustrated as to go request a reference just so they can give a second (you) to better demonstrate their "progress"
if that's your progress after a month then drawing itself is wasting your time

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>>3015649
>>3015829
...I might as well keep grinding them.

>>3014763
This looks like those drug PSA's where the people turn into goo puddles after smoking weed. I recommend you don't start drawing an actual picture until you learn anatomy. At least learn the basic shapes of the ribcage, pelvis, ect. Your picture lacks depth because you don't see these shapes in a 3d space. Literally start drawing 3d shapes like cubes, cones, ect. because it is good practice for perspective.

I'm not saying this to be a dick, but nobody can critique you if you don't put in the effort to learn yourself. Learn anatomy, and git gud.

>>3015891
I have no idea what you're trying to say... I don't think you do either.
I got called out and responded. That's what normal, non-autistic people do.
>Your should
Oops. Whatever.
Is caring about (you)'s a new meme?
>if that's your progress after a month then drawing itself is wasting your time
"Blah blah blah stop drawing" Try harder 4chan.

>>3015687
don't ever redline anything ever again

>>3015904
redline his redline faggot

>>3015904

I'm not going to draw the whole thing for him with correct proportion and all that jaz then he comes back and says "okay makes sense :)". I pointed out his error.

>>3015825

vk () com /topic-4918594_27696136?post=7228

pages and pages and pages of books. Hundreds of anime / manga books etc.
...And lots of unrelated as well.
Some English, some Spanish, some Jap, some Russian
Also Fuck Pepe and everything Pepe represents.

>>3015918
>I'm not going to draw the whole thing for him with correct proportion and all that jaz
Then don't fucking draw anything. Correct proportion and "all that jaz" is the minimum fucking standard.
>I pointed out his error
Except you didn't.
The validity of your statement is dependent upon the quality of your redline.
For example, you place the pelvis based on the position of the left leg. A quality redline would have put the pelvis in the right place based on the torso, and pointed out that the left thigh needed to be re-angled to meet up with it.
That's why a trash redline is unhelpful.
There is no worse critique than an inaccurate or irrelevant one.

>>3015931
It noted his elongated body. I wasn't going for a redraw.

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Don't even ask

>>3015797
http://l3monjuic3.deviantart.com/

i just started doing this chibi shit tho

>>3015959
Don't even need to.

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>>3014889
This looks good except her tit. The positioning makes it look like it should be a cyst instead. Pay attention to the position of the breast and how it bridges itself up into the shoulder/armpit area. The perspective on the nose is off too. Other than that I think you're off to a very nice start

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Thanks for the comments on my last sketch. I agree with the crits on it. Her legs do look short and it is boring.
<# <3 <#

>>3016191
Thanks, wish I'd seen that earlier.

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wip

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critiques, comments or suggestions?

>>3014889
shinobu?

>>3015770
I like the one on the right, mind posting the ref?

>>3014950
>I live in third world asian country , sry for my awful english
Not an excuse. Is your country stopping you from learning English?

>>3016240
anyone to at least say my thing is shit?

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>>3016231
Keep working on it.
The more polished areas show proficiency.
Can't really offer a proper critique until it's finished.
Are you going to stay with that soft light or add other lighting later?
Also you can't type WIP with out getting Merc_Wip'd. Pretty sure it's in the sticky.
I'm going to feel bad about doing this for hours.

>>3016256
It is a excuse. Besides how different is his language, probably he didn't receive proper education

>>3016260
>Put her right hand in her butt. Lol shitposting. There, happy?
Jokes aside, the expression has a sorrow that the lower half of the pose lacks. I'd have done something else with the legs and RH, but it's not really a critique... There's a flatness to her legs and right hand that almost make her look like a paper cutout... But I'm not good enough to tell you how to fix it.

>>3016256
This post is why there are threads every day about what a shithole this place has become.

>>3016270
yeah, thanks i see, i think there is a thin line that i did not see before in the entire edge of the legs that is causing this. Very disappointed with myself. I ll just open her legs and put the hand in her vagina.

>>3016279
Please actually do this.
Make a Rule34 parody of your own work.

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>>3016252
Thanks, there you go.

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>>3016281
please anon, impregnate me

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>>3016281
ur small dick made me wet anon, u little bastard, come lick me

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>>3016247
She was an OC but now it's just a random plus-sized vampire prostitute showcasing the merchandise.

>>3016305
>>3016315
This place never ceases to surprise me.

>>3015959
Blog? Looks interesting

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Any noticeable issues I should fix before I refine this?

>>3016526
Make a backup file and experiment a bit more with the face. It feels a little stiff.

>>3015894
someone told me to always draw an actual picture in your study , so you can better gradually in all aspect, but fuck then , i gonna study fundamental thing now , thx btw

>>3016544
Will do, I should get a ref for this kind of facial expression, thanks!

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>>3015343

>>3015687
[spoiler] okay makes sense :) [/spoiler]
Thank you for the redline! I really apperciate it. I really like how you did the hair I never thought of drawing a hair like that I would always assume that hair should be 2d since animu. But i guess that's not the case.. Do you have any similar guide with how you did the hair, and can you please elaborate on the green line??
Also the small cape thingy I tried to make it flowy but i guess it doesnt look that good?
>>3015751
Thanks for the redline, but did she become a bit thicker? she is after all a little girl. And thank you for the feet edit your redline definitely looks better!

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>>3016721
Here is one. The green line is there to think around how the hair is placed in space. Shes jumping or in has an excited expression with her body position in one direction but you drew the cape thingy and hair flat as if we're looking onto her in a frontal view. Like if you didn't get both of them to show fully in the shot, rather than accounting for point of view, you'd feel it's off or very important to show as much as possible.

You should not be afraid to conceal things by drawing through so that you know it's correct.

>>3016694
The hand is new, cool. Though I still dont feel imitated.

>>3017004
*intimidated
wth not imitated

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Testing out my new markers.

>>3016862
This feels kind of over the top. Most of the time when I see Japanese illustrators draw hair they just kind of... draw it.

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How do you get good line-art?
I've been following the philosophy that if it looks good, it is good.

Is this just something that you have to pour loads of time (with experimentation) to get looking good?

Should I stop using Photoshop to ink drawings?

>>3015343
You should've done a cross between 1 and 2.

>>3017314
>>3013043
>>3017252
I just realized I never made my lines really fluctuate, etc.

I'm too constrained by mental rules that aren't worth-a-fuck.

I'm putting down one, solid line of one solid type because that's what easiest to do.

That's why the line-art is sub-standard and shit.

There's not enough freedom. It's too rigid.

In the future, I'd do well to avoid the thought that lines should be solid.

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really rushed sketch of a drawing im doing. are the proportions correct? is there anything else to improve on

>>3017414
Proportions are just perspective.

>>3012118
This looks fucking terrifying

>>3017259
It's almost always experience that results in people able to just 'draw' things. Also hair, at least for me, is 2D. Well it's like ribbon which you can use to enforce a design decision or fix a silhouette.

>>3017414
Nice.
Are you creamylewds on tumblr?

>>3017314

Photoshop is terrible for inking.

To be 100% straight with you, nothing beats the real deal. Pen, brush, ink, paper.

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>>3017669
blog?

>>3017762
Oh, that piece is awesome, source?

>>3017762
not appealing at all..Almost cringeworthy at this point..

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blbpblbplbpbllllll

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>>3017252

More marker testing.

Sorry for the messiness, this was done on scrap with some bleedthrough on it.

>>3017475
no lol. im flattered though, this person is a very good artist

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beg is silent, how do I into shading this?

>>3018106

1) Define a lightsource

2) Mentally break down the figure in planes

3) Darken, desaturate and cool the planes are aren't facing the light.

>>3018109
1) okay
2) you mean like, wireframe everything?
3) using what? I'm on clip studio.

>>3018115
>2) you mean like, wireframe everything?

Kind of, but less rigid and in your head.

>3) using what? I'm on clip studio.

Color...

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>>3018148
understood, thank you

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>>3018172
If you think planes are "wireframes" you deserve to just trash the drawing now

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>>3018263
Yeah I know I fucked it all up, I should have done a few light studies first anyway

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Drew the left one a while ago, right is a redesign I haven't finished. Would appreciate criticism on either one.

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dump

>>3018389
what program do you use if you don't mind me asking

>>3018355
I think you drew the breasts way better on the right, no clue why you did these weird bulges on the left girl tits. Though it feels like you drew the one farther away a bit too big. On both girls actually, though it just might be a mistake on my side. The new design of the little demon looks cool and less generic imo.
Overalli think the design of the newer one is better, but I really dislike her hair. I preferred the more "realistic" hair in the previous version. The newer one kind of looks goofy because it sticks out so much from her head. The head is where I feel the older one was better, the new head looks a little bit too childish in my opinion, cant say for sure why but the old ears looked better and her horns seem to come out of nowhere in the new one. Hope it helps.

>>3018389
whenever I see your drawings, it makes me want to draw more :)

>>3018389
Damn check out that cutie on the right.

>>3018266
Tough to cast shadows when there's no perspective.
The way you drew the light source and the lines radiating from it places it below the character...?
I'd say just get a friend to stand under a light outside, but this is /ic/ and that's making a pretty big assumption.

>>3018389
Bloggggggggggggggggggg

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>>3018266
Yep. Light studies.
Here's a light study, half-baked, only because you secretly love my redlines. <3 haha
I hope light studies was an intentional pun.

>>3018263
Wireframes are just a large number of planes. Fuck. The amount of plainly inaccurate advice here is staggering.
Each face of a polygon is a plane.
As far as how it applies to shadows, anon was on the right track.
Direct light will cast an elliptical shape on any oblique surface. each face of a wireframe is an oblique surface. If you expanded it, you would see an elliptical pool of light, with a major and minor axis defined by the angle of the surface relative to the light. The edge of each shadow on a "wireframe" can be approximated by moving across each surface, from vertex to vertex, always along the minor axis of the ellipse if it were projected onto each surface.
If you're cel shading, there's only 1 edge to chase. Adding more cuts to your cel shading adds more edges, and diffuse shadows or gradients follow the same rules, with an infinite number of "edges"
At a high enough angle, the ellipse will become a parabola, and then a hyperbola after the center of the beam passes parallel. On the shaded surface, the edge of your darkest cel or the dark end of your gradient is at the parallel point, where the cast light would be parabolic. You can do the same thing with the reflected light on the back surface.
>Or you could shitpost "LOL stop drawing fag" and a gif you didn't make.
>fuck off.

>>3018792
Not that anon, but mind drawing an example of what you mean? I think I would better understand it if you painted it out visually.

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>>3018809
sorry for upload again, but i just decrease the contrast in the eyes a little. dont know if it ll make any difference

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im super tired

>>3018831
I like it.

>>3018831
That filename

>>3018831
and pretentious

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>>3018831
that pose...

>>3019043
I think we already know for years he traces.

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haven't posted here in awhile

>>3019049
i think it was more about it being a jojo pose.

>>3019092
sorry

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>>3015116
Some proper lineart for once, sort of surprised by how fast I'm getting it done. I'll have to fix the collar and look for a few references for the ears and the muscles near the waist.
Was told the nose was looking"potato-ish" so I tried making it smaller, will mess with it a bit since I want more that round, cute, button nose look
>>3015195
I was trying to exaggerate the pose a bit since a lot of my bodies tend to look somewhat stiff but I guess it didn't really pay off, will keep that in mind for the future
>>3015201
Flat chests are disgusting and gay, anon. Milky, sexy cowtits are the future

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>>3018794
Scribble scribble.
Yeah, here's a quick one...
I could just draw a shadow on a cylinder or a ball, but I think you can visualize that yourself.
Areas of direct light are brightest. That's everything perpendicular to the light source. As the surface curves away, the direct light gets dimmer.
The higher the ratio of the ellipse (MA / mA), the dimmer the direct light.
The parabolic point is the end of direct light. That is why the dark edge of the shadow goes there. That's how you set up gradients.
Everything hyperbolic is no longer direct light.
The tank is only partially completed and partially shaded. Just enough to show the point.

>>3019210
Anons like you are the reason it's still worth coming here

>>3018814
Not fluffy enough. Ushankas must be fluffy. I have a similar one (though gray), and I tell you that you need to brush the edges up with your smudge tool.

>>3018794
Stretch an imaginary string across a surface. Keep the string parallel to the minor axis of the light beam. Every shadow line you draw has to be perpendicular to the string at that point.
There's your mesh.
Or, turn the string perpendicular, and slide it across the surface until a line from the origin would touch the string without touching the subject. There's the dark edge of your shadow.

>>3019116
Christ, why would you waste time lining that shit instead of fixing it? You even got a redline.
Nothing's learned from polishing turds.

>>3017762
>>3017762
i like that you did a bit more cartoony style and havent gone full anime like everybody else.

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>>3019263
>doesn't like full anime

>>3019263
At this point pseudo-anime is more common in western art than full anime

>>3017887
>>3017762
this

>>3017762
disgusting pig nose

>>3019049
>>3019039
>>3018844
pretty sure I have proven I can draw and paint in my many many livestreams and tutorial videos.

Be butthurt fags.

>>3019299
what is your blog, stream?

>>3019299
Why'd you name it FRAUD in all caps?
It was a serious question phrased as a comment.

>>3019306
Like a lot of my paintings I save out the files based on whatever lyrics were in the song at the time of saving. Don't remember the song I was listening to at the time but that's why.

>>3019305
don't have one right now :(

>>3019299
that doesn't make you any less pretentious

>>3019314
not the one you answered but you sound mighty jealous.

why is it the shitters that always try to redline

>>3019317
how
>>3019320
giving help to others in the hope that others will give help to them
good artists don't need help, so they don't give it either
what a conundrum

>>3019320
people like to show what they know, it's actually rarely about helping others learn

>>3019326
this, it's mostly pathetic self esteem starved dunning krugers looking for any chance to act like someone's superior

>>3019326
So? If the other person gets something out of it then why does it trouble you?

>>3019343
most of the time redlines do more harm than good. blind leading the blind.

>>3019343
because nobody learns from shitty redlines dumbass

>>3019354
>>3019352

Alright thanks.

>>3019329
>Projecting this hard.
Go redline something the next time you have block. It can help the redliner as much as the original artist.
Sometimes they're just drawing for fun. I know you can't wrap your head around that. Go grind boxes and "git gud." because all you want to do is impress other people.
>>3019352
False. Cry more. The old masters aren't going to descend from heaven to redline shit on ic. You learn what you can and move on. If it's good it's good, if it's not... Cry more.
>>3019356
Don't let shitposters rip you down.
>>3019343
You were on the right track here.
>>3019312
Thanks for the answer.

>>3019390
>triggered this hard
struck a nerve, no one wants to see your trash redlines

>>3019390
I vow to never redline shit again lest I become one of these fuckboys.

>>3019390
not my fault you're blind to how shit you are

>>3019398
what redline ITT are you guys referring to as I'm very confused

>>3019394
>I vow to never contribute anything again because my ego can't take being attacked. My little emotional asshole is too sensitive.
>>3019398
Nope, but it's your attitude's fault you're gonna stay shit.
>>3019392
"Triggered"
Ain't even mad.

Cry more 4chan.

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>>3019415
>>3015895
>Try harder 4chan.
>Cry more 4chan.
The absolute state of this mentally challenged individual
do you not think that MAYBE you're on the wrong website or do you have something to "prove" that isn't how shit you are

>>3019423
Redline that redline, faggot. Put up some punches.

>>3019415
yeah dont let that hackker 4chan drag you down
you go girl

>>3019415
literally 12

>>3019415
Jesus Christ that can't be bait
Here's your (You)

>>3019423
Yep. Those are awful. You have a point to make?
Why'd you bother saving them in the first place?

>>3019440
Ah, yes, I've been collecting those. I'm storing them up to eat during the winter. They keep pretty well in the fridge, if you can tolerate the stench.

>>3019449
>the stench.
that's you retard

>>3019456
still waiting for that redline bitchboy

>>3019449
>not slipping them between your cheeks

>>3019461
They were small enough to do that wen nobody gave a flying fuck about them, but now they've reached meme status and are massively overblown.
I can barely carry them anymore.
>>3019456
>try harder.
>>3019458
He doesn't draw, just shitposts.
One of them is a janitor.

>>3019458
>I vow to never redline shit again
>reeeee gib redline

>>3019471
That "vow" of yours means you literally have no use here. I'm sorry you stagnated and got frustrated with your shitty work. I'm sorry that grinding memes didn't turn out to be the magic "git gud" shortcut you hoped it would be. There are none of those. I'm sorry you feel obligated to hang around here and spit bile at everyone who will listen because misery loves company and it validates your pathetic existence to rip other people down.
You could try picking up a fucking pencil though. I know it's scary and you're lazy.
Or you could keep staring at your folders full of other people's work until your crushing insecurity convinces you you're better off not even trying.

>>3019481
>projecting this hard

>>3019467

Nah, he isn't the janny.

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>>3019481
THAT'S THE SPIRIT KIDS NOW GET REDLINING

When did you first realize this thread deserved to be pruned?

>>3019492
About the same time I realised this board deserves to be deleted

>>3019492
when you get your ban that's coming to you

>>3019492
"alternative" art/style is a meme, literally just a containment thread for autists' retarded attempts at anime

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>>3019504

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>>3019471
You got called out...
Come on.

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I want to go home.

>>3019651
i really love your lines my dude
you're also really consistent
keep it up

>>3013314
I'll bite. What I feel when I look at your art is that your artistic decisions seem to be very strongly rooted in what you've seen other artists do. Having influences is normal and beneficial for any artist, but in your case it almost seems like you depend entirely on replicating other anime-like illustrations. One of the giveaways of this is your linework: it has the appearance of being reworked a ton of times in order to achieve "what looks right" according to what you've seen before. The other is your generally weak depiction of anatomy. All of this lends to the inconsistency that you mentioned.

Your best bet is to draw from life, as is so often suggested to anyone - that's because it works. Draw from reference and keep drawing from imagination during your down time.

>>3018389

We missed you.

>>3019651
I just love that bush

>>3019651
Got any tips for doing hair? And how to pick aesthetic colors? Really like how you did the background too.

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>>3019716
Well nevermind I feel retarded.

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I do traditional ink with a brush, how fucked am I.

>>3019733
take a fucking BETTER PICTURE HOLY SHIT WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU?

i have no scanner and i get OCD when things arent straight. So I have to take picture as it is. lmao. Too lazy to draft lines on wall and set up a tripod just to take a picture of it.

>>3019735

All that's missing is the pen sitting just in the shot

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is her face cute enough?

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>>3018395
Was just now able to work on it more, wanted to say thanks before the thread died. I was really on the fence about the hair especially, was thinking the left one had a bit more personality to it thanks to the drapery-ness of it and your views helped me decide to drape it down again.

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did this little dumb promo thing

>>3019992
Has a mysterious mood to it. I really like it. Blog?

>>3019492
yet you are posting here

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Roast me, anon

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>>3015432
Finished it, something tells me we're getting a new thread, so I hope you get a chance to see this. Thanks for the feedback anon.

a new thread >>3020291

>>3020215
I got a chance to see it. Well done. The light and shadow are appropriate for the mood of the piece.
The rim light on the dark side is a nice touch. I'm sure I'd have critique if I sat down and analyzed it, but perhaps another time.

>>3020355
Oh, wow, no shit, didn't notice it's the cover on the new thread until now.

>>3019089
we're glad to have you back!