/beg/ - THE BEGINNER THREAD

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practicing ctrl paint's fat charcoal brush then erase method

Is there a bad habit I could form or pitfalls if I use software to greyscale pictures and practice rendering (greyscale) from there?

>>3007804
What pitfalls do you think would occur to you? This is a serious question.

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>>3005732
Fricked the angle here pretty badly

>>3007810
I'm not sure that's why I wanted to ask. Perhaps not being able to render when it's color only in greyscale. I'm just going to do it for now.

>>3007823
If you want to get better at rendering in color, practice rendering in color. But since you're asking this sort of question it's best to stay in greyscale for a couple months anyway to get your values down.

>>3007837
nubatorri?

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is there any value in studying gesture and expression from animation because it's a lot of fun

>>3007857
>nubatorri
I don't know what you mean

>>3007837
The lips look bad. Not because they are drawn poorly, mind you.

>>3007874
hell yeah
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2v9I0kniX8I

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There is something regarding perspective that I do not understand, and would greatly appreciate someone's thoughts.

How can someone efficiently produce a perspective-correct piece without spending ages checking every corner for vanishing point and horizon line correctness? It makes the work look not only tight and rigid, but takes far too long.

From what I can deduce, it seems it is best to study the basic shapes in perspective and then adapt them to final shapes/connections in drawing after locking down the muscle memory and visual understanding. Is there any visual guides or resources for this, or does anyone have any input on my thoughts?

Thank you.

>>3007633
Psychology is a fraud.

>>3007989
show your work

So what things should someone trying to learn draw, something that will help with basics and all. I'd draw what I like but I don't yet understand whether something is easy or hard, or simple or complex to draw.

Are portraits posted in first few replies a good example? but I'm not yet at intermediate level of figure drawing and it's not particularly something I am trying to learn.

>>3007992
Fuck off, Freud

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I'm doing something wrong with my reference points or is proportions just something that gets better over time?

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Critics again anyone? I've made changes according to the critics that I've received with this artwork. still working on it as slow as possible. I don't want to fuck this up.

I'm doing drawabox but the guy requires a couple of days in between critiques

What should I study in between as a beginner? I already did Keys to Drawing

>>3008069
It's awful, you've been polishing a turd for weeks. Drop it and then drop that fucking name you faggot.

>>3008075
I wouldve heed what you said if you actually said something clever but not. go back to /b/ you don't belong here.

>>3008069
Where's the blood on the sword? Would this fabric cut cleanly without any fraying? I would imagine legs don't cut like hot dogs. Is this the face you'd be making if your femur was severed?(breaking it is supposed to be the worst pain a human can generally feel without going to ridiculous extremes)

your figures and background aren't oriented on the same plane. your darks are too dark.

she would be holding her left hand somewhere around her navel which looks pretty awkward.

His left instep isn't thick enough where the shin meets the foot. the shadows indicate a rim lighting but you've left this out.

I'd try to stick with one light source until you're more comfortable with values

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>>3007758
I tried a 15 minute sketch of this, and this is my result. My self critique with a question thats bothering me will follow.

>>3008069
super long legs you got there

>>3008060
faces are too complex for you at this stage

stick to still lifes instead of portraiture. it'll help you understand form better

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>>3008082
Here my observations about my own attempt. It's obvious that I placed the eyes too low and basically shifted all facial features a bit too far to the left.

However what annoys me the most is the mouth. I have no idea why, but he looks like he is smiling or smirking in my picture.

While tracing the original picture I ended up with the same result yet again, and I don't know what I'm doing wrong - how the fuck do you end up changing the facial expression while fucking tracing the stupid picture???

What am I missing? Am I too dumb to trace a picture?

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>>3008082

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critique? i dont really care about the face/background texture. just the figure

>>3008090
in this episode of eric still hasnt read keys to drawing:

>>3008093
the exercises are too hard

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I'm doing Loomis Figure Drawing I'm suppose to try and copy all the figures right?

Pic related

>>3008100
Not only copy, but also apply, so draw your own after.

>>3008103
From my imagination or use photos?

>>3008095
why are you doing art if this is your mindest

>>3008105
Everything.

>>3008110
i made that up. i forgot why i never finished ktd. i would eventually like to make art though

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toss and turn, lesson learned

I need some advice. If I want to draw the same scene (the same point of view and everything) but with two different lighting conditions (one of them dark, with barely any light, and the other one with lights turned on), what's the best way to approach it? Should I draw lines first, and then color both of them separately? Or should I make the dark/light version, and then modify it to make it light/dark? Or maybe I should make a neutral version, and then change it in two different ways? I'm kind of leaning towards the last option, but I don't know.

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Been out for 2 weeks. Does this look alright? If not can you give advices, I'm trying the draw a box thing.

>>3008180
You ever completed a piece. Like properly rendered? I still recognise the sameface and I feel like it's because it's so unfinished.

>>3008242
Here's my advice: using the line tool, construct the perspective grid and see all your fuck-ups.

To construct the perspective grid, you:
1. Create a new layer.
2. Select any conspicuous color.
3. Select a set of parallel vertices that converge at the horizon.
4. Click on any vertex' end that is closer to the viewer and, holding the LMB down, stretch your line to the horizon in a direction that aligns with the vertice the corner is on.
5. Repeat this process for all the parallel lines, changing the colors to prevent the lines from blending too much.

>>3008242
That is boxes in one point perspective alright.

>>3008295
But I'm using paper...
Can anyone redline?

>>3008306
I think anon was telling you to red line yourself in like mspaint with the line tool.

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>>3008306
RULER, motherfucker! DO! YOU! KNOW! OF SUCH A THING?!
And if you're posting from a computer, you may as well have a graphic editor installed.

>>3007892
How should I change them?

>>3008311
>>3008309
Okay, thanks tho

>>3008313
Literally no idea. I suggest playing with their thickness and smoothing them out.

>>3008087
its mostly your perspective that is off. in the tracing you can clearly see that the far eye is slight smaller because it is farther away, same with the far side of the mouth. It also help me to remember the the face is a slightly curved surface, the corners of the mouth need to go back in space. you can pinch the corners of your own mouth together without even touching the fleshy part of your lips

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Often I Start to draw, make a single line.
and say "well I already fuck it up"
And its funny getting that feeling for doing a single solitare line.

>>3008355
NGMI. Read through the "Real Life" section and attain enlightenment.
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AchievementsInIgnorance

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Would like a crit.

>>3008382
Genuinely horrifying. Here, study this and don't draw any more corpses with slanted faces.
https://sketchfab.com/models/a1c0dec2a8564e80a62e607bb16db2e7

Also, sticky.

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>tell non artist i'm going to study anatomy
>he assumes i'm either going to masturbate or be a serial killer

>>3008391
>not that you have an anatomy class with a big test on friday

/beg/ and, in general, /ic/, I need your advice. I'm not much of an artist, I mostly just lurk these threads to see people post their art, but my boyfriend wants to have a career in it. he wants to get good enough to eventually get commissions. I'll try not to write a wall of text, but here goes:

>he drew pics as a kid from animoos like DBZ and whatever his friends asked him to draw for him-- eventually stopped drawing
>when he and I got together he decided to take up art again
>started with animoos and then cartoons
>bf has lots of confidence in his art
>after the hiatus from his kid/teen years, he's been drawing for maybe a year now

Now I don't want to shit on his abilities, but I'm just not impressed. I think a lot of it has to do with the fact that he doesn't practice the basics at all, unlike you guys.
>doesn't like realism
>gets a bit offended whenever I mention realism and that he should try practicing it a bit
>says that he doesn't need to focus on it bc he's drawing cartoons now

He knows I'm not exactly a fan of the art he does right now. Some of it is okay, and I've been surprised by him a few times, but 70% of the time I think his art is not pleasing to the eyes. Whenever I compliment someone else's realistic-looking art, he sometimes says things like, "See, I think that's why you don't like what I draw. I think you expect art to be realistic and what I'm drawing is a different genre."

/beg/, /ic/, how can I help him better his skills? I feel like shit because I see people say that his art is pretty, but I see tons of flaws in it. Have I been spoiled by you guys?

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>>3008408
>I'm asking for a friend btw
>he drew DBZ

>>3008408
cant judge anything unless you post his work

his attitude alone sounds like he'll never make it

>>3008408
Get a better boyfriend.

>>3008410
I know. He stopped doing it, but still watches DBSuper and rewatches old episodes/scenes. I cringe a bit inside.

>>3008412
The thing is he posts his work to IG. I don't want you guys to find it kek. I just don't know what else to say. I've talked to him and actually made him become a bit more humble (now he admits his work has lots of errors), but at the same time he's already mentioning $5 commissions on IG.

I want to help him out.
>>3008413
Yeah. It's a shame. I'll try to keep working on this relationship because he's a really great guy and all... it's just that he really wants to have a career in art...

>>3008419
Nothing wrong with watching DB. Just saying he sounds incredibly arrogant.

>>3007958
Organic shapes are not perfect boxes or forms. Bothering with precision perspective is trivial because of this; instead you basically need to focus on the tilt, position, and proper view of, for instance, the box of the pelvis. On a female, you'll still want to capture the bowl of the pelvis, especially if eye-level is above the pelvis, but you won't have to bother with precision perspective.

About the only time precision perspective is necessary is in man-made scenery; at which point everything will share one horizon line (for the most part). Buildings on hills will not have a different horizon line since buildings are built level, not at the incline with the terrain. A plane, however, may have a completely different horizon line, or a parasol that has been tilted toward the sun would also have its own separate horizon line.

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Anatomy errors aside, I can't ever seem too get more than a few different values with a pencil and eraser. Also does anyone know of any great super thin erasers? Like almost mechanical pencil thin.

>>3008436
Instead of looking for a thinner eraser, you should be drawing bigger pictures. A drawing like that should take up the whole page.

>>3008408
>>3008419
>how can I help him better his skills?
Find a way to make him see his ignorance. Accepting ones flaws is a first step to improvement. You can try subtly push him in the right direction, or just fucking crush his little fantasy world. In both cases it'll take a lot of work and you may end up ruining your relationships. Ask yourself, is it really worth it?

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I think I've been drawing too much lately. Does my wrist look swollen to you guys?

>>3008448
I think your wrist is fine

>>3008313
looks fine to me, ignore that retard

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hey guys, I need some feedback. mainly i'm concerned with hands and facial structure. thanks in advance.

>>3008439
True. This is a tiny drawing on 5x8. But I kinda hate using pencils on 24x36

>>3008448
What wrist?

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>>3008454
idk if i made it worse.

the nose looked too long to me, remember that the bottom of the nose is just below the bottom of the cheekbones. really jam the bottom of the ribcage into the pelvis when the body is bent to one side. shoulder frame looked too masculine, one thigh was way longer than the other, close hand should be much bigger

>>3008476
thanks, I agree with you about tigs and nose, but no so much on ribcage. the whole body is not that bent to "jam" ribcage into pelvis :D. thanks for your feeback, I'll try to change the drawing accordingly :) >>3008476

>>3008454
You lack variety. Some potatoes are round, some are long. Don't be afraid to come out of your comfort zone!

>>3008448
Hard to tell, you're really fat.

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Mmmm. Unfortunately the character design of the main robot seems to not work with just line art. Kinda makes difficult to tell what is what. Or is it just me? thoughts?

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I need a bit of feedback on a pic I made in a drawthread over in /b/ - I tried drawing in an anime-ish style, which quite frankly is quite a bit out of my comfort zone.

Result: I'm really unhappy with this face. I can't pinpoint what annoys me (I already changed the mouth from a previous iteration which was even worse), I'm not familiar enough with anime styled stuff to do that.

Can someone point out what looks so weird? (ignore unfinished background and other stuff)

It's funny that there are people here so good they belong in the drawthread and people in the drawthread so bad they belong here

>>3008519
Is that a morocco flag?

>>3008524
nah, the request was 'a sexy demon maid serving a burger and some fries', so I thought "hey, wouldn't it be fun to stick a small pentagram flag into the burger?"

But if you prefer to think that it's the moroccan flag, feel free to do so :)

>>3008519
Everything is wrong with it.

Start from the basics.

>>3008521
>It's funny that there are people here so good they belong in the drawthread
where?

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>>3008556
I think the worst offenders are the face and rendering
>better the line art
>Make the strokes in the rendering less visible
>fix that face

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>>3008519
I tried.
Reduced the thickness of the neck.
Moved and tilted the head to the right.
Boob shadow.
Face paint over (Don't do in animu).

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I'm doing my best to do this without tracing but even when I overlay the features, go back, erase and try again, I am still always off everywhere. I've been doing basic perspective exercises for weeks (boxes, cutting and adding to boxes to create forms, projecting forms) but I don't seem to be able to apply it. I am visualizing what the shapes should look like and drawing lots of guidelines but short of tracing it just doesn't come out right. I could use a ruler tool to make lines to line up features but I don't think I would learn much in the long run. Should I just move on to different pictures and keep trying? I'm not trying to draw photo realistic pictures ( I was thinking of move trying rendering but I didn't think my attempts at a human face would be so terrible so I can't do that now). I'm just trying to grind practice so I can start to draw animu girls, that's all.

>>3008599
unrelated, but her nose looks odd and pointy in the reference

>>3008069
This is too advanced for your skill level. You have a poor understanding of anatomy, rendering, perspective, lighting, and composition. In other words, your skill level is a 1, and a scene like this would require 10.

The only way to improve this is to learn the fundamentals, then combine them to capture this scene. Or, hire a talented artist to rebuild every inch of it.

>>3008090
This is above your skill level. You havent captured the contour and shapes and volumes correctly, and your painting technique is crude.

I would find something easier, and work on developing brush skills and how to color skin correctly.

>>3008569
holy fuck, no idea why I didn't notice how small the face is.

>>3008595
also thanks

>>3008171
Is this supposed to be a line drawing, or a shaded figure? Pick one. What you're doing is poorly done and isn't capturing the figure accurately. Either draw the figure with line, or shade it correctly - the scribbled lines you're using for shading are a cop out.

Considering how poorly you've drawn the figure, I would recommend you choose easier poses, and ones without high contrast, like this one, so you can see the forms easier, and learn to draw contours and shapes.

>>3008382
It's okay, as untrained amateur work. You're mixing stylization (cartooning) with what you think is there, like with the nose, without actually trying to capture a nose in lines.

Keep working on fundamentals.

>>3008434

I believe you are correct in your statements. I understand that the different perspectives are essentially just tilt and/or manipulation of the forms. However, I still lack proper sources from which to exercise quick and roughly correct construction of boxes, spheres, and cylinders. What exercises should I perform to achieve this?

>>3008436
I can tell from your drawing, you're pressing too hard. And, for shading like that, if you want more subtlety, you need a harder lead.

Also, work bigger. Doing anatomy at that small size is pointless.

There are hundreds of erasers on the market. You can buy a kneadable eraser, and form it to a point, or just buy some pink erasers, and cut them with a hobby knife to the shape/point/edge you need. That's what I usually do.

If you work bigger, you won't need an eraser that small.

>>3008460
Then use charcoal or conte.

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>>3007762
>>3007761
I'm trying to relearn gesture
I can't help but think I'm using too many lines

>>3008599
Somewhere, you picked up some bad ideas, or didnt understand something - you're drawing guidelines, but they don't make sense.

The shapes are right there in front of you. Look at the lips - how did you manage to have them off kilter like that, when you know both sides of the lips line up - and it's right there in the photo? You have the angle of the eyes all wrong, and you're not drawing the actual shape of the eyes, you're drawing cartoon eyes. The nose is just...you do know a nose is a 3 dimensional object, correct? You're just drawing lines hoping they're correct.

Eyebrows are not thick black lines, they're hair, they have a shape, a texture, and lighting. You're cartooning again.

This isn't the best subject for drawing, because of the contrasts, and the edges being too dark, but you're fumbling around without truly understanding what it is you're doing.

Forget a whole face. Start with parts of the face. Look at the eye. Look at the shape. Look how the lower lid is formed, and that the curve on the outside of the eye, towards the side of the head, shows that the eye is a sphere, because that line is wrapping around it. Use a pencil or something, held at arm's length, to compare the distance between her eyes, and in the drawing.

DRAW WHAT YOU SEE. Forget the guidelines and such, you're obviously not learning from that.

>>3008638
These aren't gestures.

>>3008638
Somewhat. Gesture is about pose - you should be able to tell at a glance what the movement or emotion or stance is. Rendering the full pose is less important than communicating the expression of the pose, in fewer, more direct lines to convey the idea of form.

The whole point of studying gesture, is to get you into the idea of interesting and dynamic poses, and how to communicate ideas and emotions through the position of the body.

My biggest problem with studying this through books is that a teacher can bring a model in for class who's really good at that kind of pose. A gesture pose should be ideally a movement, or expression of some emotion, not seated poses. Those are more appropriate for rendering and finished drawings.

I'd look at sports, dancing, things like that, for gesture drawing. It doesn't have to be nude - nude helps to see the form. Try some videos of ballet, where they're costumes don't hide the figure - ballet is the top of the pile when it comes to communication with the body and pose.

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>>3008518
More progress, it should be easier to read when I add the foreground rendering.

>>3008645
I got really frustrated and tried focusing more on getting the features in the right place but it's still not right as you mentioned the angle of the eyes are still way off for one.

Thank you for the advice. All of it makes sense. I'll try doing one part at a time then. Maybe a different picture though I'm pretty tired of this one.

Where the fuck do I start if I'm a complete beginner to drawing? Where do I learn things like mechanical skill and the absolute basics? Where do I start if even the worst examples of symbol drawing feel beyond me? I have asked this question several times before and have yet to find a satisfactory response. And don't respond with Drawabox, Loomis, Keys, Right Side of the Brain, Peter Han, or Scott Robertson - they have been tried and have been found wanting.

>>3008672
just draw if you don't like anything here
nobody cares where you start and your peers will be your judge when you end up on the destination of your path

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Just tried dis needs improvement

>>3008672
Join a discord and just draw. It's important to have art friends who care for you.

>>3008685
Don't sign your drawing.
Don't try to colour in fields with a thin pen, use something like a brush or just something thicker instead.
Crosshatching to apply shading is not just scratching, there is more thought to it that has to be practiced.
The hair being just scratches doesn't really work. It just looks flat and ugly. Try to make bigger shapes out of that you can give form.
For only 3 minutes, you tried to cram a lot of detail in, which just makes everything look rushed, flat and ugly. Why the hurry?

>>3008069
I know you want to create something significant, but you seem to be out of your league here. Are you working on your basics daily as well? Are you improving your understanding of proportion, perspective, etc? Or only doing this?

>>3008654
Still have zero idea what is going on to the left of the gun and between what looks like either a cartoonish demonic kitty or a poorly drawn dog.

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>>3008690
Thanks I understand what you mean, ill try that, bad habits I've developed over time.

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I think I'm done.
What do you guys think?
Is it competent enough?

>>3008654
>>3008698
>>3008707
I think is a doggo.

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>>3008599
This is quick and pretty inaccurate but I'd encourage you to draw your own portrait from life. It helped me a lot quicker than studying from photos.

>>3008702
Always keep a margin in your sketchbook, never draw too close to the edge. When lying down the preliminary lines, you can keep this in mind. By leaving a good amount of space at the edges empty, your drawings in the sketchbook will look better. By drawing too close to the edge, it will look careless and badly planned.

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im trying to draw donald duck

can someone tell me what im doing wrong?

>>3008729
You're trying to pull him out of your ass.

>>3008679
>>3008686
What the fuck do I draw then?

>>3008747
It depends on what you're interested in drawing. What do you want to draw? Your question might seem quite simple to you, but it's pretty stupid question.

>>3008747
What do you want to draw? What is your goal?

>>3008686
What are the benefits of a discord when it comes to art? Do they provide instant feedback or how does it work?

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There was an attempt

>>3008763
If you walked into a room and everyone was drawing, youd feel like drawing too

>>3008672
Same boat as you I started drawing last week.

Its literally all practice if spend more than 3-4hrs of drawing in a day I stop and do something else and wait
for the next day to feel the improvement.

After doing the loomis drawing figure exercises I always end drawing something I want to draw till the end no matter how horrid it turns out.

This shits like a marathon so I'm careful to not burn out.

>>3008707
What is going on to the left? I can't read the armour/blob at all... is that thing sticking out of it an arm or a random pipe?

>>3008747
is that really a question? just draw whatever you want... it'll look horrible, probably, but at least you drew, which means extra mechanical practice. After a while, you'll either find your art lacking or you'll be wanting to improve faster. After that you're ready for Loomis and such.

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>>3008773
Ah, here are my references

>>3008790
I see... makes a lot more sense now, still you should make the shapes more clear and the lines less messy. Also add some contrast between the different parts so it's easier to read. this can either be value contrast or colour contrast.

People should be able to read what's going on at a glance without knowing what references you used.

>>3008803
I'll
not rn tho because im kinda wasted
thanks dud

What is a good free drawing program?

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check out my drawing. it looks so realistic

>>3008851
Krita is free and I honestly believe it's quite good, no matter how much shiit ir gets from photoshop users.

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Drew this while playing Drawpile with a friend, looking for any critique and suggestions.

Also does anyone have any tips on drawing lips?

>>3008865
I'll take anything really, thanks mate.

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>>3008454
This can not be, how can a poor Latvian farmer afford a tablet? I know I sure can't.

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>>3008790
>>3008707
Here's how I would construct this scene

>>3008448
Your whole hand looks swollen, but maybe you are just fat. Height and weight?

any chance of a crit on this? >>3008744

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>>3008889

>>3008889
What exactly are you try to study in this? If you are just trying to replicate it, then put yours over it and see what's off.

>>3008891
nice

>>3008854
Is this for the new game boy color coming out?

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I'm unsure about the thickness of the thighs of this ghost layer drawing. Would someone please give me their input? I put two lines for both thighs as reference. Also, is the ear too big?

Please do not pay attention to the eyes. It's a low res picture so I had to do the best I could at said res.

Do any of you have high resolution references so I don't have this issue in the future? Posemaniacs is nice, but it seems the images it offers are very low res.

>>3008888
Not fat, just chubby. Men like curves ;^) 5'4'' and ~375lbs last time I checked, but that was a few years ago. I'm way hotter now.

>>3008908
With the thighs, it might help to draw a line for what she's sitting on, so you can better figure out how bent each leg might be.
Also the ear seems fine.

>>3008448
>>3008911
>lately
>years ago

>>3008912
Bend directly influences visibility of thickness? My focus was on the top, where nothing is pressing against them except for the hands in between her thighs at the groin. Is it because the mass has to move somewhere (upwards) if it is being weighed down by sitting?

I wonder which thigh lines would best match the thickness of the rest of the body. Finding the correct amount of thickness/mass is my priority.

>>3008919
Oh no, the thickness of her thighs is fine imo but her left thigh comes out at an awkward angle, that's all.

>>3008927
>>3008919
Her right, my bad.

>>3008885
thanks senpai

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>>3008927
>>3008929
I attempted to edit it and a few other things, but I am unsure if the result improves on the angle much at all. More importantly, I feel the left thigh is too thick compared to the right, and still don't know if I improved the angle. How does it compare to the previous image?

>>3008958
I just noticed I may have made the left calf too small now too. Thoughts?

>>3008958
looks pretty flat

>>3008962
You're right, it needs more mass, doesn't it? Do you have any suggestions for learning to allocate appropriate mass between parts like this, or is that just part of perspective/foreshortening?

I'm going to drop this one and move on to the next so I get more fresh material. I never would have noticed these problems on my own, though, so thank you.

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>>3007755
I am so sick and tired of trying to polish this garbage it's depressing. Reached the point where I can't pinpoint what's wrong with it anymore. Any help?

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>>3008972
Reference

>>3008972
It looks like you drew an asian, but your reference isn't asian.
Also her right eyebrow is a lot thicker than her left.

>>3008979
How do i make her not asian

>>3008972
>>3008983
I'm a beginner artist too, but from what I noticed, the distance of the eyes is further in your drawing than in the reference. The eyes look smaller too, especially the left eye.

Maybe the lack of a visible double eyelid? It looks a bit like you drew mono-lids right now, which is characteristic of Asians.

>>3008983
Try making her eyes larger aand closer together (eye width distance). also slightly largen the mouth

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>>3008991
>>3008992
Ill try and fix her when i'm free tomorrow.
For how bad it looks i still think i made some progress. This was my previous attempt

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Drew this moments ago. Not really sure what to ask for in terms of critique. I'm not very good at drawing anything that isn't viewed from the front or doesn't have a static/boring looking pose. Sorry its sideways.

>>3009015
I could post it again upright but I don't to take space in the thread.

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>>3009015
I'm not an expert, so take what I say with a grain of salt.
You could use ton of references as guide lines, or try to copy stuff in real life, you will learn at some point to give more volume to stuff...
...
That or you can pretend that is "paint wall flat" link

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>>3009015
unironically please read the sticky in the header.

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Any glaring mistakes I need to fix before I continue?

>>3008494
i really like it within what it is, blog?

>>3009015
Not sure what kind of critique you're looking for with that drawing. I'm also a beginner, but that drawing is a cartoon without shadows and disproportionate. I'm not sure what you expect someone to tell you to improve.

If your goal was to copy Link, give us the image you used as reference, if you didn't use one you should. That kind of simple drawing you should be able to draw it 50-100 times in a day until you get it exactly the same as the reference, if that is what you want, keep practicing it.

If you wanna learn how to draw in different poses study anatomy and draw figure reference models from youtube on channels like Croquis Cafe and New Masters Academy, study anatomy and learn to construct a body. Or just click on the link in the sticky.

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>>3007762

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>>3007758
help

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>>3009039
>>3009031
>>3009027
Thanks, I started just the other day, so I'm still not sure how to ask for critique. I was trying to go for a cartoon style because that's all I'm capable of at the moment. I have one other drawing, not sure if it's any better.

>>3009050
I started a few months ago and I've seen a lot of improvement, but you gotta practice a shit-ton more than that. If a couple of days have passed and you only have two really simple drawings then you're drawing too little.

Look up in google "body proportions", you will see a lot of pictures that measure the body in heads. Try to draw proportional bodies, even if its just stick figures, and draw about 20-50 of those a day, male and female. Once you get the feel of it, you start experimenting with different poses.

There is no point in me or anyone critiquing those works as they should only be seen as practice, keep practicing, don't get attached to anything. One body you draw looks bad? Scratch it, start over. Don't be afraid of doing it again and again, that's how you get real practice, repetition.

Also, coloring is pretty much a waste of time so early on, in order to color properly you need to be good with values, so learn to shade and give the impression of color and 3rd shapes with only a single black pencil, once you get good at it coloring will be more fun and productive.

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I was drawing a woman but I flipped and over and it looked like a fish. 1/2 from today

>>3009058
Ok, thank you.

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2/2 i tried to do a self portrait for the first time. Do I atleast have creative potential senpai chans

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is this book good?

>>3009066
How long have you been drawing?

>>3009048
Made his head way too big but I see why you did, check the ref again and look very carefully at the area above the ear.
You had his hairline right already, I see the part that you added
(His) right eyebrow could be extended a little bit
(His) right eye has something weird going on with the upper eyelid. Check the ref, it doesn't curve like that
You over-exaggerated the bottom half of his ear
The nostrils should come out a little bit wider

And I dunno, try to at least mimic the direction of the hair

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What would the line of action look like here?
Just a straight line?

When doing painting studies on photoshop and other programs, should you restrain yourself from using "cheat" tools like the eyedropper?

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So it's a waste of time for a beginner to focus on figure drawing right away? Beginners should start with still lifes such as fruit, mugs, small trinkets, etc. Correct?

I just want a path that isn't drawing 500 fucking boxes as an exercise.

>>3009066
This is bad even for a beginner thread.

>>3009115
delete that image holy fuck.

>>3009120
This is the shit I've been "learning" from the past 3 months.

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>>3009115
if you have a figure to draw (aka a person who will sit still) then figure drawing is fine. still lives are good because they are still, so you can draw them really carefully.

the traditional way to learn to draw actually splits the difference, they draw busts. these ones specifically, usually.

anyway the most important trap to not fall into is copying photos on your computer screen. don't do only that, you can do it a bit, for fun, but don't let it be the main thing you do.

>>3009122
Busts are not something I've considered!

>copying photos on your computer screen. don't do only that.

geez. That sucks because that's all I've ever known.

>>3009115
Work on figure drawing studies as well as still life and such. They'll be bad at first, but I think it's important to get a good variety of studies. Box exercise is mostly so you can get used to the feeling of working 3D space, perspective and such.

Also DragoArt is "How to Draw Anime for Kids" tier so don't use them/that site.

>>3009121
holy shit dude im so sorry never open that website again. I'll give you legitimate crit for whatever next thing you post if you promise to never use that fucking shit again.

i unironically mean it that its embarassing someone like him thinks he's in a position to explain anything.

>>3009127
im pretty sure drawing from life is a meme though so dont worry.

I give it a 50/50 shot of being a leftover from the previous generation electrophobia

>>3009130
It will be awhile until I have anything to post worth even redlining. I'm pretty much writing off the last 4 months of my life as wasted learning.

This board has been extremely helpful to me this past week and I am very grateful for you anons to point me in the right direction.

>>3009134
stick to the resources in the sticky until you develop the eye to judge who is qualified to teach you

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salam brothers

>>3008100
Loomis is a meme, he doesn't teach actual fundamentals -- I'm a fellow beginner but I doubt you'll genuinely learn anything from Loomis' construction methods -- the power of art lies in the understanding of actual anatomy which Loomis does not teach

>>3009172
show your work

>>3009172
I'm not a beginner and loomis is not a meme.

Beginners have difficulty with loomis because they are not great at visualizing forms and translating that visualization down on paper.
They just don't have the capacity to do so.

You can't just jump into loomis and instantly expect to draw something that looks like a healthy human being. You need to practice the very basic fundamentals first.
If you can't draw a box in perspective, or you can't copy shit somewhat accurately, you are going to struggle.

This shit also takes years to get okay at, so make sure you slow down and read the words too.

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>>3009172
>It's not autism, it's what they think "making it" is.

Loomis is a short cut for anatomy, It all depends on what you're into. People just throw it into other peoples faces to handwave people when they post VERY poorly constructed anatomy drawings. Loomis has been weaponized lol.

Seriously if a person isn't at the level where loomis isn't too hard for them.Then they won't be able to move on to more advanced concepts like muscle anatomy, bone anatomy etc.


My work.

>>3009190
Wrong green text lol mb

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>>3008767
Nice work anon :)
>>3008672
Honestly Right Side of the Brain, though I'll agree that it's not quite what I was hoping for, is in some sense very helpful. When you get past the pseudo-scientific mumbo jumbo (which I found fun to read), the main point of the first ~40 or so pages is about telling you to draw what you SEE, not what you think -- when you're capable of dissecting what's in front of you line by line instead of shape by shape you've taken your first steps as an artist. After reading the first 40 or so pages and understanding that I need to draw what I SEE and not what I THINK, I moved onto Bert Dodson, whose book (Keys to Drawing) I'm currently going through -- I'm a week in myself, and though I'm not really proud of my work or pace at the moment I am at least happy with the fact that I can convey what I see to some degree. And those books I've mentioned have helped me quite a bit. I'm about to start Dodson's chapter on measuring, which I hope will fix my inability to keep in proportion with what I've drawn, as well as preserving the angles.
>>3007761
>>3007762

Any critique/advice would be very helpful! :)

>>3009179
If you're not a beginner then I definitely see the merit in Loomis, I just don't like how it's the first thing people parrot on here to actual beginners like myself. Should have worded everything better, but by 'it's a meme" I mean "it's not a good place to start"

>>3009162
Now draw Mohammad fucking his loli waifu

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>> tfw you spend hours after hours working on a piece and they call it a polished turd
>> tfw they find pictures that you never took seriously much better looking and artistic
>> tfw you don't get it

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>>3009216
BAHAHAHA

>>3008972
You're cartooning. That reference is awful, you can barely see the face - and what you can see, you're not rendering. Her mouth and the face surrounding it has a structure - the photo has darker areas indicating that, and you've missed it completely. The eyes are on two different planes.

You're drawing what you think is there - half because you're not really looking at the reference, and the other half is because that reference is so bad.

>>3009216
classic sign of someone muhstyling way too early

draw from life for a year and see how much you'll start to get it

>>3009261
*or don't draw from life and stay at that level if you want

>tfw you get so used to drawing cubes and organic blobs that you can't draw anything else

plz send help

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>>3009099
Lines of action should always be curves.

>>3009133
Drawing from life is most certainly not a meme, except for try hards here. Drawing from life will give you more details, more subtleties - and most important, you can move around the object/figure and get a different view.

Most photos are shit for reference, because they have contrasts that appeal to photographers, but are useless for an artist, because we can't see the form if it's in shadow. We also can draw the whole figure, not just what the photographer has chosen to crop.

Drawing from life will never go away.

>>3009270
I dont think this is true i feel like playing curves vs straights results in better flow and motion.

>>3009179
Loomis is ONE way to approach the problem. Loomis is a meme here. I never heard of the man, until I was well out of college. We learned construction breaking figures and objects down to their basic shapes, but we spend equal time studying actual muscle masses, and drawing from real life.

Some of you will fight this tooth and nail, but it's entirely possible to be a successful artist, and never have seen a Loomis book. The masters revered here never saw those books, they learned tho good old fashioned way of drawing from life, and draftsman skills like perspective.

>>3009277
Think what you want - I've always heard of it being curves, in every figure drawing class I've taken, and I took a lot of them. A straight line is static and boring - curves are action and drama.

Keep drawing them straight - and when you come back here not having improved at all, we'll go over it again that it's curves.

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>>3009036

>>3009216
ooo you're the guy who made that cirno monkey girl.

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>>3009297
Hi there.
Pic related is an example of the former.

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Drawn with a mouse for the lack of a tablet.
Please be as brutal and honest as possible. I want to know how this technique looks to an unprejudiced observer.

>>3009288
fuck off and give blog fag

>>3009339
Use a pencil and paper

>>3009339
I like it

>>3009339
Pretty gud.

>>3009350
>>3009381
>>3009384
O-okay, thank you.
Is there something you can recommend to me?

>>3009406
Buy a tablet.

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i dont know if i should be hear i dont think i should but this one looks like a lot of replys so i will post. tell me what you like about it tell me what you dont im really trying to make you feel the emotion

>>3009440
The only emotion I'm gettig out of it, is disgust after seeing someone stealing art and recolouring it... This is at the same level as those stupid sonic OC's at DA (do not steal)

>start doing my first drawing in 3 years
>going well
>get to eyes
>realize they are ugly and want to kill myself now

>>3009687
Stop blog posting and post your art.

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How to paint things? Also I realize perspective is off on the head, I was mainly focusing on color/value study

>>3008972
I think you have potential, but your main issue is that you're drawing:
-the eyes
-the nose
-the mouth
rather that looking at the reference as a face in itself and drawing values, muscles, etc.

Also get proportion right before rendering too much

>>3009339
Not that I'm any better but I think it looks like shit. Main problem being all those scratchy lines that weren't even there in your reference. I don't understand the purpose of all those black lines, and they look terrible.

>>3009707
An honest opinion pleases me more than anything else. I thank you wholeheartedly.

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>>3009695
No way it's both a self portrait and my first drawing in ages I'm either gonna get recognized or bantered to death.

>>3009714
If you used those lines to build some sort of a guide, and then painted on top of them, you should've added a middle step which is to erase those lines, at less to make them look clean. If you're digital then take advantage of the 100% perfect eraser that doesn't exist in real life.

Also, get a tablet, the muscle memory is different on mouse than a pen/pencil, so you're only practicing your vision while you could be practicing both at the same time.

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Here is an extra reference picture

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help me with hand ,arms ,and leg proportion will help me so much , i am always mess up with proportion TWF

>>3009728
Where's the model, behind the minivan?

Is drawing cartoons and stuff not a good place to start for beginners? I enjoy drawing my favorite characters but I also do want to get better. Also, I've heard the brute force way to get better is to draw in a lot in pen so you actually have to think about the lines, any merit?

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I consider this to be the best drawing I have done so far so I need you all to fucking tear me down. Sorry for potato quality, phone camera isn't that good and those random white horizontal area are due to the paper creasing I think. The most I've heard about this drawing from my friends is that the eyes are weird but I need better criticism. .

>>3009747
I swear to god when I took the picture it was correctly oriented. Sorry bros

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I have a hard time getting into digital, I feel that everything I know doesn't translate as well, because it's different don't drawing where your hand is.

I played a little with the free version of Auto desksketch book when I'm out waiting.
Drawing with the finger...

Is there any exercise that could be done with 3 layers of coloring?

>>3009728
The new blob movie isn't as good as the old one I guess...

>>3009695
Also it's the first time I draw a human figure, I only tried my hand at eyes before.

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>>3007761

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I am so fucking afraid of shading /beg/. Every time I think I have good line art, I know I'm going to ruin the picture if I shade it. What do?

>>3009732
It look like you started to make the legs and arms shorter all the suddent
Like you where running out of space

>>3009762
Giving her bigger breasts is an understandable and manly wish. However, when you tried to thiccen her right thigh, you forgot about the TWEEEST of the pelvis and therefore fucked it up. I feel your grief, but you'd have to cut that thigh in half for it to work.

>>3009767
Eh, overcoming your fears is the only way if you work traditional.

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>>3009194

When it's been a day and nobody's given you any (You)'s ;-;

pls respond

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More breakdowns of the head. Trying to keep measurements from reference, then stylize the forms in imagination. I'll try detailed anatomy studies soon.

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i feel like i dont actually know how to draw, i just have poses memorized

>>3009791
Are you using a book? If so, which one?

I know this has been asked a gazillion times.
Where can I find proper guidelines for doing gestures?

>>3009803

References from Pinterest and Michael Hampton - Figure Drawing: Design and Invention

>>3009795
You ARE drawing, man. It might be cymbals, but you're still drawing.

>>3009732
You should be marking your proportions as you draw the figure. It's really easy. Just count the head sizes. 2nd head is from chin to nipple. 3rd head is from nipples to naval. Then 4th is vagina. 5th is near the end of the thigh. Then two more heads after that for 7 in total.

For width, shoulder to shoulder is 2 heads wide. Naval is close to 1 head. Hips are 2 heads.

Right now, your head is huge. And all other proportions are off. Memorize these measurements.

>>3009456
You should really work on your edges. All your paintings have the same blurry muddiness going on. Like the eyes, you can't tell what's there. It should be easier to paint if you initially start with clean edges than trying to clean up a messy painting.

>>3009767
Shade the shitty work you don't feel bad about ruining.

>>3009846
noted anon :D
thx so much

>>3009819
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmiwGm32dXU

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I was really proud of this, open to critique 1/2

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2/2

When practicing sight size accuracy, should I be drawing the same face over and over until I get it, or do I keep going to face from face?

>>3009894
Once I was studying art in a different city.
The guy was amazing.
He sadly got arrested by corrupted officers 3 weeks later (I was with the wife during that time) and then it got robbed a week after he went out.

On any case, the first thing he asked me while drawing "why do you stop before getting to the borders of the paper

So.... Why do you stop at the legs?

>>3009894
Cool pose. Maybe better if the right arm bent more at the elbow.

No gun holster even though you have a strap.

Is he aware he is standing without feet?

Please finish the face, even with scratches if you must.

>>3009746
I guess it's okay to draw cartoons as long as you are also practicing fundamentals.

If you know values, perspective and proportions you are a good artist and can adapt to any style or improve upon any style you already have. Drawing is essentially the same for everything.

Get the measurements right (proportion), and make the drawing believable (perspective and values).

A term that may confuse a lot of people is "2d gurls" when referring to anime or cartoon characters, since they are still placed in a 3d world, and perspective still applies to cartoonish drawings.

>>3009777
I'm not good enough to critique your drawing but your photograph is shit. Get a darker pencil or take better pictures and people will want to critique you more. Can barely see that, it's small and gray under a shadow.

>>3009906
Its a little out of my comfort zone right now

>>3009911
Yeah, I had no reference and literally JUST noticed that the holdster was missing haha i tried with the face and it kept coming out funny. Thank you for your various pieces of advice

>>3009870
thank you

>>3009923
All the more reason to do it. Different guy here, the hands seem too small for me, put your hand against your face and compare.

>>3009870
Thank you.

>>3009943
Your completely right. Thank you.

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>>3009931
It's alright. I'm an amateur too. Just keep making cool military dudes. I'll make mechniggas and qt girls.

>>3009870
How bad is drawabox's method compared to this?

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>>3009861
Use this every time you draw.

>>3009961
loomis cannot draw women.
that is man with tits

>>3009957
Fucking lol. Deal.

>>3009966
>that is man with tits
>woman

>>3009966
That's not very current year of you

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in the very early stages of making a cartoon music video...I want to make the subject some kinda monkey/ape but I haven't found his "look" yet...there are so many different types of apes to consider. these are the main two that stood out from my sketches

which one do y'all like better (if any) so I know which direction to keep going in? will take any tips, rip me a new one /ic/, just remember that I'm going more for style than realism

>>3009502
Haha fuck off idiot bitch i do me you do you stop being jealous i just woke up to hate but it is okay haters gonna hate am i right or am i right hahah

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>>3009099

>>3010023
Good attempt but very flat. You only have two values. Think about your light source here. The lightest areas are the face and the top right side of the body. There should be a gradation from light to dark, not just two shades.

Also, why are there white stripes all over? If you want to show the light, show it with your values and the form. It will do all the work. You don't have to draw the rays of light.

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A fucking one minute gesture.
I'm not getting this shit at all.

>>3010031
Do you understand block ins

>>3010032

Practice figure construction for a year and then try gesture again

>>3010043
What the hell.
I thought construction and gesture were supposed to go hand in hand.

>>3010045

Depends who you ask, personally I think gesture is too advanced, beginners don't know how to handle an hour long drawing let alone a minute long one

>>3010045
Don't listen to that retard. No sane artist constructs before drawing gestures. It's just that you draw outlines instead of gestures, which is wrong. Get yourself familiarized with Lines of Action and related terms. Begin "constructing" bodies only after you can into gestures. And all of that does not really take a year or more.

Studies or proportions are another matter entirely, mind you.

>>3009993
any tips for mine? is there a better thread for stuff like this?

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Sorry bout size, what should I work on next

>>3010058
There is something much, much better:
The sticky.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uwaXKU7ev6Tw_or__o8ARpUb6r2rCZYJGqwSFV9AD98/edit#bookmark=id.15jx3pyuimvj

>>3010058
yeah, move on to the drawthread

>>3010034
Sure, but it's not a very good block with only two values and appearing flat.

>>3010061
>>3010062
thanks!

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wait nevermind the aliasing got shit

crit it up

>>3010075
he believed you kek

>>3009456

You need to soften some parts. 60% flow and opacity, 60-70 hardness. Any brush, use default if you want. Color pick the surrounding values and lightly brush the area you want to be smooth.

Keep color picking the values around the area every time you brush.

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left was trying to draw from memory and right is outright photocopying. feels like it is impossible to draw without a reference in front of me

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a classic old guide

>>3010135
i've been bamboozled? fuck. surely there's a place where I can post this pic and get a left or right answer. maybe it's too derpy to be taken seriously here, but idk, just tryna get my nut here senpai

>>3010157
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>>3009066
A few months

t h i c c

>>3009762
he tits increased in size, you wouldn't happen to be a mysoginetics are you?

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>>3008972
>>3008974
well? i tried fixing it
how did i do? is it better ? worse? should i have just started over?

>>3009894
>>3009899
Formless chicken scratch, nothing to be proud of. Get back to basics.

>>3009961

>B-but /ic/ told me girls have bigger waist than shoulders

Have ever /ic/ go outside?

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working through "keys to drawing" still cant figure out how to move from one darkness to the next. My hands are retarded :(

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Can I get a crit? Its a study from reference

Man is it bad that i haven't been drawing for almost three days because i lost all current motivation to draw due of hunger. I'm considering taking 2 weeks off to regain my motivation and creativity.