Okay, how the fuck can one achieve this level of mastery of pencil

>>3000472
Practice. Study them. Research their influences and study those too.

>>3000478
Yea I've been diving into his history a bit and saw that he was influenced by Arthur Adams who is amazing in his own right. It does help to see where the creator you idolize gets inspired from.

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OP just dumping some more MAD!

>>3000485
Good on you! There is no other advise I can give. Sadly there are no shortcuts or magic words that make it click, you have to figure that out yourself. Fundies help a big deal.

>>3000498
Thanks mate! Yea I guess I'm just looking for an awnser that doesn't exist haha. I guess in the end it just comes down to how much time you spent at the drawing board.

>>3000498
>>3000472
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwPb7g_BlXQ
^the theme song for this no shortcuts thing.

>>3000472
not to be the usual d/ic/k but the op is not really that impressive. Put aside the characters, the background design is not something that you should find difficult to replicate if you say you're already working as an artist. His main strength from what I can tell is his anatomy knowledge and his aesthetic sense in regards to comic stylization

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>>3000472

I remember hating on Joe Madureira's art when I was a kid. It was way too cartooney for my old taste.

> can you only get THIS good through talent and genetics?

Joe began working for Marvel in 1991. He was only 16 year old so they probably spot some talent in him, but he certainly put in numerous hours of work since then, despite all the jokes I'm trying not to make about Battle Chasers.

>>3000472
That's not even mastery. I mean, it's pretty good, but there's hardly any texture. There's literally photorealistic pencil drawings out there, you know.

>>3000571
>Put aside the characters
The characters, stylization and anatomy are the point of these pages, of course they stand out and are better than the backgrounds. Putting them aside is like looking at a portrait and ignoring the person and commenting on the foliage in the background.

>>3000626
Photorealism expresses mastery of a medium, but NOT mastery of drawing itself. There is little comparison between what Joe does and what a photorealism master does.

>>3000633

>taking that obvious bait

>>3000571
You can say its not impressive all you want but if this doesn't show mastery to you then what does?

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>>3000580
Joe Mad is pretty good today, his art style works really well in games

>>3000571
I agree

>>3000843
Probably not something that's a sketch.

>>3000472
The linework is good
The anatomy/figures are good
The perspective is good
The lighting is good enough
The gesture works
The environment is good (great piece to study how to simplify trees/leaves)
The page composition isn't amazing

It's a solid page. The penciler probably did it within a day or so, had a collection of inspo and probably did 60 percent from imagination/knowledge.

Also gotta remember that pencils have to read and be understood a specific way so that the inker can, well, ink on top of it with great accuracy. Pencils are to do a certain job and are not the final image, just remember that.

Otherwise, just keep drawing and exposing yourself to pencilers. Learn their workflow and their educational path so you can adapt yourself to it. But make sure to put your own spin on things unless you want to work for a specific company with a certain style.

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At least when it comes to America cape-comics, I honestly think penciling looks way better than inking and inking looks way better than coloring.

Joe Mad is one of those artists who will make me drop a book.

Can't stand reading his work.

>>3001281
He doesn't write anything himself though.

>>3000472
>>3000486
>>3000490
>>3000494
if american comics would have been like this and not
>>3000580
>>3001235
I would read read too

I can understand the limitations of printing from the previous century, but why must we still destroy good art with such child-book-coloring levels when scanning and printing has advanced enough?

>>3000634
>bait
I've been browsing /ic/ enough to know that some ppl are just that stupid

>>3001299
>why must we still destroy good art with such child-book-coloring levels when scanning and printing has advanced enough?

Because inks look better.

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For me "that guy" is Chris Samnee.

Even when I look at his stuff from 10+ years ago it blows my mind a little. It's inspiring because I can see areas where he's improved, but it's so hard seeing how long the journey takes.

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>>3001299

The color page posted was from decades ago. Comic books now have a huge variety of finishing styles that depend on the artist and style of the book.

For example, Esad Ribic's work typically look nothing like a traditional superhero comic, with the raw pencils painted over digitally with a much more refined palette. (pic related)

It ultimately comes down to the editor to decide what works best for the project.

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>>3001348

Another example cuz fuck it, we're goin deep tonight.

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>>3001348
>>3001350
Oh fuck yea, love me some Esad Ribic. Your right in that he has a super unique style for a cape comic artist.

>>3001350
>>3001561
How do they make this work? I've been trying to learn to ink and paint for a couple years now and it feels all for naught because people tell me they just like my sketches a lot more but I felt stuck because I thought it would look unprofessional if I made comics in sketch form.

>>3001586
Well its strange. Most comics are pencilled, then inked, then colored, but for Esad Ribic, and Joe Mad (and also a handful of other comic artists) they seem to color right over the pencil work and nix the inks.
My assumption is that they pencil, then scan the work into Pshop and then adjust the levels of the pencils to darken and give them almost the same depth that ink would have, and after all that they lay down the colors.

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>>3000472
So, it is possible to get that good with just Paper and regular pencils?

>>3001641
I see. Yeah sometimes its hard to tell whether its ink or pencil.

>>3001586

They color it the exact same way they would inks.

>>3001348
Mmmmm this looks so good.

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>>3000580
I used to buy Battle Chasers monthly and damn, did comic store owners loathe Madureira... They used to laugh whenever they heard the name of the book, but I respect him for starting it up. I loved his work on UXM and always wanted to see how his stuff would look in 3D.

>>3001674
As far as I know, Mad! still draws with the same old Staedtler 2mm leads and Strathmore 100lbs acid free paper he did back in the 90's.

>>3000633
>Photorealism expresses mastery of a medium, but NOT mastery of drawing itself

Are you an idiot? The OP literally says "mastery of pencil work". Learn to read before replying, thanks.

>>3002632
Yep does pencils for literally everthing. From his concept art, comics, and pin-ups, all pencilled before scanned and colored.

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>>3000472
Mileage
Grab a sketchbook and a kneaded eraser (and a pencil, of course) and take that stuff everywhere with you

>>3002729
then what do i do in that sketchbook?

>>3002818
Cum in it

>>3002818
take notes on how many miles you have moved around, and the mean of transportation, as well as your impression on it

>>3002729
I've always liked this style of penciling but I have trouble with it. Does it have anything to do with the paper or the pencil? Or is just something you master?

>>3003442
Hatching like that is mostly experience and wrist work. So stop masturbating to trap hentai and put that wrist to better use.

>>3002729
And what if I absolutely can't draw in public because of crippling shame?

>>3003489
You'll only feel ashamed for the first few times. After a while you'll start to notice people sneakily try to take a peek at your sketchbook. Then the awkwardness shifts from you, onto those people. It's also just worth it for the qt grills taking an interest in you and your drawings. Even if you're shit, as long as you don't draw autistic shit, you'll be a god compared to people that don't draw.

>>3003472
Yea its all experience. Just hatch a good amount everyday. Like try to do a piece a day where all of the value is the same tone of black, and then use hatching to do midtones. after a few months you will notice that your lines are getting straighter and its starting to flow more from the dense black to the midtone. Do that for years and you will have hatching like in OP's pic.
Unfortunately it takes a lot more than hatching and value skill to make a page like that or one of Esad Rebics. Need to couple it with anatomy, gesture, storytelling (super fucking important for comics), and consistency.

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Ludo Lullabi is another penciler thats fucking rad and had that jo mad style going on. Too bad they always give him shit colorists.

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>>3003636

>>3003636
That's not even very good, though? Guy on the left has microcephaly, and the thing on the right is devoid of emotion. Is it screaming? Yawning? We'll never know.

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>>3003651
Well big hands are kind of his style, so it makes the head look small, but you can't go around saying he's not very good (seeing as how he is good enough to be getting paid to make comics for blizzard)

>>3003636
>>3003639
>>3003840

I don't understand working pencillers who waste their time defining line weights and filling in blacks.

That's what the inker is for.

>>3004060
It's to make the inkers job easier, and to preserve their linework.

>>3004101
>It's to make the inkers job easier

It does the opposite.

>to preserve their linework.

Linework isn't the penciller's job. Hell there was a time when shading wasn't the penciller's job either.

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>>3004145
>Linework isn't the penciller's job

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>>3004145
>It does the opposite.
Actually the only "bad" thing a penciller can do to their inker is not spot their blacks legibly and use those non-photo blue pencils. The ink tends to bead up on some brands. And thats sorta subjective.

>Linework isn't the penciller's job
>pic related

>>3004145
>It does the opposite.
...how? All the inker needs to do is just trace it.
And that's assuming there is inks, because they're clean enough to warrant no inks after adjusting the contrast with Photoshop and fill in the blacks properly..
>Linework isn't the penciller's job
That's literally the penciller's job.

>>3004180
>...how? All the inker needs to do is just trace it.

An inker isn't a tracer.

Lineweights in the pencils are distracting and they make the piece more difficult to ink. When the pencils are only flat lines it's easier to embellish.

>>3003472
>>3003627
I see. Thanks for the advice!

>>3004060
Joe Mad stopped using inkers, he sends the pencils directly to the colorist now, so he needs to do the inker's job now.

>>3004188
Fucking this. The penciller's job is to just draw the page, the inker does the linework, that's literally their job. Hell, before artists rarely even drew the shadows.

>>3004362
>>3004188
>>3004180
Guys calm down, there's no one way everyone is doing it. It all depends on the studio and artists themselves

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I can't get over Cory Loftis... How the fuck do you even get close to this. PERFECT stylized anatomy, amazing composition, everything is awesome and it's got so much creativity.

I'm rarely depressed when I look at really good artists but Loftis makes me wanna quit.

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>>3004462
JAW Cooper

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>>3004462
more Cory Loftis

>>3004462
He is fantastic, love his work.

>>3000472
First off, quoting Hitler:
"A good draftsman is born and can not be taught."

If it's not your talent, go draw Manga.

>>3004512
Hitler was a shitty artist and drafstmanship is one of the easiest schools of art. Very cute tho, hehe hitler

>>3004512
Hitler was wrong :^)

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>>3004515
>>3004517
50% of /ic/ can't even draw like this. Better stick to Manga.

>>3004519
its just a simple perspective grid painting. so what?

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Fuckin' Kentaro Miura, man

>>3004536
his composition is complete shit though

>>3004519
That's not even good art.

>>3004917
I think it looks cool, but I kind of suck at drawing buildings, especially from imagination

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>>3004910
hmmmm...

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>>3004910
I'm gonna leave give you the benefit of the doubt because "composition" is not plural, but just for sure.

>>3005024
I can't even imagine how much time it takes him to draw a scene like that.

>>3004519
It's neither emotive enough to ignore the botched perspectives nor technical enough to ignore the narrative sterility.

>>3005360
Jesus Christ kill yourself

>>3004536
>>3005002
>>3005024
By all means, I like Berserk's art because it's creative but /ic/ has got some weird ass double standards sometimes, these drawings by Miura are full of hatching and screentones, probably tedious to draw compared to your standard manga, but the amount of praise he gets is comically disproportionate. If you guys were objective you'd be ripping it apart.

>>3005579
Fuck off faggot, Hitler was doing this shit in 1912 when Duchamp, Matisse and Mondrian were at their peak. His one chance was to be technically impecable and sell his stuff as architectural studies but he really wasn't good enough for that either.

10/10 orator, 8/10 military strategist. 4/10 artist and a fucking fool for thrusting Morell and Goebbels.

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>>3005685
>when Duchamp, Matisse and Mondrian were at their peak

>>3005694
The quality of your pepes reflect the quality of your taste and your chances to make it.