This board will never be good because of its predominant fixation

i think the solution would be a separate board, unrelated to 4chan. that would get rid of most of those problems, but it would probably have fewer users

>>2989517
>"good"
>adjective
>1. to be desired or approved of.
Everyone here desires and approves of hentai and specifically loli, therefore we're already good?
What's a "decent" artist? What's the criteria for "dedicated"? You're just throwing out vague abstractions of what you think an artist is when nobody can prove what one is or isn't. Absolutely insubstantial piss in the wind.

>>2989522
kinda agree with you anon

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>>2989524
Sounds like you're confronting disapproval for the first time. Dont worry, you might get used to it as you grow up and discover the world has values that accurately paint you as a degenerate waste of genetic code.

Yeah they are "subjective" and the criteria is "man-made" lol. What an advanced philosophical discovery you've made.

The world "subjectively" despises you and you subjectively have horrible judgment in what is aesthetically tasteful.

Keep clinging to the most basic relativistic arguments to justify how morally bankrupt, spiritually void, and aesthetically clueless you are.

Meanwhile, actual worldly consensus values exist, and you are way off in the corner jacking it to cartoons claiming subjective taste.

OP speaks the truth.

It would be okay if they just stuck to their own little section of the board but we can't discuss anything like Cubism, abstract expressionism or even more low brow forms of art like Graffiti because weabs derail anything that's not manga in a uncivilised manner...

I mean they could state their opinions like adults but they go full spastic with what they say instead.

They also refuse to learn about art culture outside of anime, manga and hentai.

>>2989534
>Sounds like you're confronting disapproval for the first time. Dont worry
Talking from on high doesn't help when your flinging shit from the gutter.
>the world has values that accurately paint you as a degenerate waste of genetic code.
Prove it?
>What an advanced philosophical discovery you've made.
Advanced philosophy is that one's own existence cannot be proven, thus no observation made by one's own existence can be proven. Objective statements are just as baseless as subjective statements, but that's obsolete considering you aren't making any.
>morally bankrupt, spiritually void, and aesthetically clueless
Again, vague and subjective. You're just floundering to get out as many buzzwords as possible without making an argument.
>actual worldly consensus values exist
Nothing exists.
>>2989540
change up your sentence structure when you samefag so it isn't so embarassingly obvious.

>>2989543
You can think it's a same fag if you like but OP will know someone agrees with him when he reads this and that's all that matters.

>>2989517
Fuck off, Jace.

>>2989540
And stop replying to yourself, you autistic fuck.

>>2989548
Is it really that hard to believe that more than one person here shares this opinion?

>>2989534
You're very keen on denouncing particular subject matters without actually having any substantiated arguments or even a solid thesis to argue for.

You think you're being clever with your vapid statements, but let me tell you that's not the case.

>>2989551
It's statistically close to impossible that you'll find someone with the same autistic way of writing and the exact same sentence structure, particularly when it's so fucking obvious who you are to begin with.

I also find it incredibly ironic that a paranoid autist who only draws shitty nude pinups and whines about depression on twitter all day, has the gall to call anyone out on their taste or preferences.

>>2989564
Kind of described me but I am an autistic australian that enters art exhibitions and spray paints walls and complains about depression to my girlfriend.

>>2989543
Lol, continuing to lecture on the most basic philosophy. Congrats on discovering subjectivity and objectivity.

It wont save you from being a hentai junkie. Which wouldnt be a problem if you just stuck to a hentai board instead of polluting this place

It's telling when introduced to morality, spirtuality, aesthetics you write them off as buzzwords. You don't value art. You just want to be sophisticated and touch yourself at the same time.

>>2989568

>graffiti trash lecturing /ic/ on degeneracy

>>2989564
OP here. You fucks are so hurt by my topic you think I'm samefagging. Lol.

I take it as a complimental that you are that paranoid.

I was surprised anyone even agreed with me.

And lol at analyzing our sentence structure to conclude we are one person. Are you some kind of bot? Or, ironically an autist who can't tell people apart

>>2989575
At least I have formal qualifications in art, display my work in galleries and occasionally get published in books.

Also hating on graffiti and street art makes you look like an art outsider.

Artists don't do this... Gallery owners don't do this.

They usually at least know the works of people such as keith haring, basquiat and lister...

Hating street art shows you are a manga kid.

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>>2989570
>You just want to be sophisticated and touch yourself at the same time.
Yes?

>>2989584
You're one of the most obvious shitposters on /ic/, Jace. Seriously, how can you whine about hentai, when all you do is draw nude women from photos and giving them big eyes? You think that makes you some kind of deep, artistic genius?

I really wish you would kill youself, instead of just whining about it. You seem to bring the topic up on a daily basis.

>>2989591
>I'm a sheep. I like what people tell me to like.
Good for you.

>>2989591
>this pretentious.

>>2989584
It hurts so much! I need to make a thread and complain about it.

>>2989599
How can you be an artist and not be at least a little bit pretentious though?

>>2989601
Yes, if you consider yourself to "be" and "artist" you are naturally pretentious.

>>2989603
Being proud of your work means you are pretentious.

So yeah, it's kinda unavoidable.

>>2989611
It certainly seems to describe you well.

pretentious
adjective
1. characterized by assumption of dignity or importance, especially when exaggerated or undeserved:
a pretentious, self-important waiter.
2. making an exaggerated outward show; ostentatious.
3. full of pretense or pretension; having no factual basis; false.

>>2989611
No you don't need to be pretentious to be proud over achivements.

>>2989613
Well of course.

I you are getting interviewed for a magazine or book, writing an artist statement, applying for government funding, etc

You are going to try and make yourself and your achievements seem as grand as possible.

Art is pretentious by nature and you pretty much have to be.

>>2989614
Jealous people call anybody who is proud pretentious though.

>>2989591
The best part is I know who I am and I'm better than you. I'm smarter, I work harder, and I have better taste.

At best the only thing you can do is beg me to post my work.

It's going to annoy the fuck out of you. The only thing you have going for you is that you're too fucking dumb to realize where you stand.

Cus that's the best part. I DO know how much better I am than you. I could just prove it to you but we both know you'll just make up some excuse that I'm a photobasher or I trace because you're that delusional. You will tell yourself anything to make yourself feel better.

And that's hilarious.

>>2989618
I don't give a fuck.

>>2989622
You don't need to rationalize your decisions to every one you pretentious fag.

>>2989622
I don't care about your work.

My art is in galleries yours in manga on deviant art

My art work is in books yours is on deviant art

My art work is in Magazines yours is on deviant art

My art is in online travel guides yours in on deviant art

I use paint you use tablets and pencils.

I get payed to paint murals you get paid 10 dollars for a chibi or some shit.

>>2989617
Or maybe it's your autistic, asshole attitude that makes people refuse to work with you.

>>2989628
But that's not true.

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>>2989622
>>2989627
>mfw when there's a battle between the pretentious.

>>2989627
I love how you always fall for your own copypasta.

>>2989632
I only do digital shit for a day job.

Wouldn't brag about it though.

>>2989617
It's not a meme. It's true. You idiots are far too dumb to understand art past the beginner level.

I know you're in denial but one day while you're scrubbing the toilet at the mcdonald's you have worked at for 15 years you will realize you should have spent your time doing literally anything other than art.

>>2989636
Probably. I know I'm considerably better artist than you though. Considerably.

>>2989630
Did I mention that there were also FOOTPRINTS IN THE SNOW ON MY ROOF? I also heard someone knocking around in the attic and the clicking noises of an ipod/iphone. When I talked to my father about it he got extremely aggressive and dismissive about the whole thing. Saying it was "ghosts" I fucking shit you not. I might be schizo as fuck but my mother saw the footprints as well. My cat was the one that alerted me to the noises in the attic. He has been acting weird about it this entire time as well. So has my brother... Either they are in on it as well or they have been getting threats/blackmail/whatever too.

>>2989650
>Probably. I know I'm considerably better artist than you though. Considerably.
Ey, you seem to know each other already, why don't you introduce yourself to the rest of IC instead of having internal bickering and let the mob decide.

>>2989656
I'm still super fucked up. Worse than ever before. Not to even MENTION that my computer is royalled fucked up too. I have been hacked, aggressively. They have access to all of my accounts. Facebook, gmail, twitter, twitch, bank, skype, FUCKING. EVERYTHING.

So... I'll upload high res things when I can. I just want to hang myself at this point but I endure. I'm so tired. I'm so alone. I miss my RenRen... I don't know what happened still. I don't know if something is wrong. That she disappeared because of a third party... I don't know what to think anymore. I miss her. I miss being able to think.
I'm still super fucked up. Worse than ever before. Not to even MENTION that my computer is royalled fucked up too. I have been hacked, aggressively. They have access to all of my accounts. Facebook, gmail, twitter, twitch, bank, skype, FUCKING. EVERYTHING.

So... I'll upload high res things when I can. I just want to hang myself at this point but I endure. I'm so tired. I'm so alone. I miss my RenRen... I don't know what happened still. I don't know if something is wrong. That she disappeared because of a third party... I don't know what to think anymore. I miss her. I miss being able to think.

>>2989658
What are you even talking about.

>>2989662
Sometimes people write to me asking "Hey! What's your process?"

>>2989517
Art is free and respect of the other and his taste, let people enjoy what the do enjoy, and talk about things you like, you'll be 200% more interesting

>>2989517
When I speak aganist porn people's comeback is always that I'm a Christian bigot (I'm atheist and liberal af) or "low test lmao" but the truth is that as soon as you enable this shit in a community the name of "open mindedness" and "anti-censorship" the entire environment metastasizes.

Porn is addictive and causes damage to the front cortex of the brain, which means there's an army of frenzied autists who spend every moment of their lives wanking to weird shit and whose only purpose in life is finding more fuel for their shitty fetishes. I used to be OK with porn but lately I'm really starting to hate it because I've seen what it does to fandoms and communities. Not to mention the shitty artists piling up riches on the sole basis of what perverted shit they're willing to draw. Porn is cancer.

>>2989750
Well atleast your arguments are based on a somewhat pragmatic premise unlike op. However making money from porn is only a symptom of capitalism.

>>2989759
Yeah, it's sad and pathetic that Patreon uses "the right to free speech" as an excuse to tap into the anonymous market of closet pedos and psychos but that's capitalism for you. If it makes money you gotta find a way to make it OK.

>>2989517
I can't even take you seriously after having seen your responses to everyone

You clearly made this just to provoke a reaction out of people not start a meaningful discussion.

Please just let this thread die. It's unproductive and hypocritical and there's more than enough of those here

>>2989750
>Porn causes damage to the front cortex of the brain
seems legit

>>2989780
It damages the brain centers responsible for compulsion, much like alcohol or gambling.

http://www.cam.ac.uk/research/news/brain-activity-in-sex-addiction-mirrors-that-of-drug-addiction

>>2989799
that's not what your link says at all, learn to read before throwing scientific reports around

go back to nofap.org you retarded pseud

>>2989810
>I'm too stupid to understand what's implied so I claim the article has no validity.
it's okay, go back to the shadman worship threads

>>2989823
>Nor does our research necessarily provide evidence that these individuals are addicted to porn – or that porn is inherently addictive.
it's about sex addicts having similarities to drug addicts, nothing else

>but muh implications
if you want to speak the language of science you don't get to use implications

>>2989828
You're being thick in the head. Of course they put that disclaimer because the study wasn't about determining that porn specifically is the cause of it. But the fact that sex addicts are unequivocally porn addicts is something you should get to if you had some salt.

>it's about sex addicts having similarities to drug addicts, nothing else
You know how dopamine works right?

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/pornography-addiction-science-fact-fiction-rob-dindinger

>>2989838
>missionary hates porn
wow really made me think

>>2989875
I could have an entire team of leading neuroscientists gather tomes upon tomes of research and write down a big bold statement in capital letters confirming the above and you would still find something to dismiss it so you can feel good about jacking off to your diaper lolis.

>>2989884
i know you're personally on a mission from god or zyzz or the redpill or whatever to wipe out the touch of corruption from the land but porn is seriously not the reason why /ic/ is bad

there are like six porn threads in the entire catalog right now
what makes /ic/ bad is focus on "making it", internet celebrities, and trolling, which are all aspects of being worthless losers who don't even want do draw and instead shitpost away

/ic/ would not transform into a fine arts atelier even if you removed all porn, anime, sci-fi and fantasy
if porn was what kept /ic/ back there would be lots of great porn artists here but there isn't

also i don't hit any of the signs of porn addiction lol

>>2989893
4chan in general is not good for fine art

Even /his/ has problems appreciating anything outside of 19th century realism.

The fact is, why the fuck aren't you doing your work. Instead of typing away. Maybe that time, could be used for you to
>GIT GUD

>>2989517
>>2989534

Subject matter doesn't make your art better. In fact, sticking to acceptable subject matter would be harmful for art improvement because you wouldn't be motivated to do what several artists did better in the past.

If I wanted tasteful art, then I'll stick with Peter Paul Reubens, Heinrich Kley, and Frank Franzetta. Not with yours. Go back to /pol/ with your self-righteousness.

>>2989517
I don't think you understand this board at all. It will never be a great place because of anonymity and the shitposting that follows. But the lack of censorship and restrictions you want are a part of what have made it a success. Porn is popular and a lot of people don't see anything wrong with it unlike you.

Go make your own art image board and see how long you get with your project as you start patrolling and applying your personal touch.


If you really were here for the love of art and not just on some anti-porn crusade then you would had started to advocate for improving the quality of porn from art technical perspectives.

>>2989750
Why do you go to a border that's been flooded with porn since 2003 if you don't like porn? Seriously, half the boards on 4chan are dedicated to porn or allow porn.
If you don't want porn, go to one of the countless communities that don't allow it.

Seriously, how fucking retarded do you have to be to come to a board that was built around anime, porn, shitposting and anonymity, and then complain that those things are present. This is not a fine art board. This is the ass end of the art community.

>(I'm atheist and liberal af)
Well, then you should probably go kill yourself.

>>2989895
4chan is a reactionary board, you complete fucking idiot. Of course people aren't going to buy into the ultra-corrupt bullshit that makes up post-modern art.

>>2990030
This isn't about shit in can, faggot. Anything outside of Bouguereau level realism is nothing to them/

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>nuh uh im the superior artiste unlike you graceless neckbeards
>still posts on /ic/

well alright

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>>2989823
>hurr I have an article on the internet
'kay

>>2989517
so make your own which doesn't allow porn, easy

>>2989517
The board only became like this recently. All the "decent dedicated artists" left a while ago, since most got jobs and aren't wasting time in this dump anymore.

>>2990288
/ic/ have never been better nor worse than it is now.

I'm confused. Since when was loli hentai even allowed to be posted here without resulting in a ban.

>>2990431
I feel if people only interested in manga stopped saying their uneducated opinions on fine art this board will be okay...

That's the main reason I hate the manga kids here.


It's okay to have an opinion or disagree with me but please have an educated opinion when saying things.

>>2990768
/ic/ is not a fine art board. It is a "critique any type of artwork" board.

>>2990431

Yes it was. In 2008/2009 and before that it was pretty good most of the time, with people who knew their shit redlining most of what people posted and dishing out solid crits. Nowadays the only moderately useful thread is the book thread. Up to a year or three ago you'd sometimes get some good crit but 99% of the replies is shitpost now.

>>2990799
No it's a post manga and say modern art is all shit board.

>>2990806
>it was good 8-9 years ago.
There have been plenty of red-lining since then. I think you are just viewing it with rose colored lenses.


>>2990807
>one is art
>the other is critique, even if bad

>>2989517
Look at where you are my man. Where else do you expect neckbeards to learn how to draw? It will never reach the potential of what it could be simply because it's 4chan.

What you're looking for is a different chan with completely different people and culture, more of a normie chan or something like reddit. If there is a place like that though, I can tell you that being anon is going to ruin that board too. If not with the loli and porn, then it will be the sheer elitism and snobbery that art sharing and discussion tend to devolve into. Just like /ic/ but at least you have some kind of balance here with the degenerate artists and shitposters calling out the douche art elitists.

The best place you'll find are communities with a name or profile attached. Then you'll actually get people who care and curb down on toxic attitudes because it will reflect badly on whoever takes part.

An anon board, even if it starts out good, will inevitably attract the worst kinds of people who will ruin it.

>>2990832
/ic/ is fine for what it is. This is not a board for professional artists or art school faggots, but primarily for beginners and intermediate artists, with a focus on commercial art and technical skill. It's great if you want no-nonsense criticism of your art, and if you want to grow a thicker skin.

The only real problem /ic/ has is the lack of mods. The handful of shitposters we have completely dominate the board and will attack people they're jealous of or try to get people to gang up on artists they don't like.
With proper moderation and a zero tolerance policy for repeat offenders, this board would be great.

>>2989524
Aesthetics isn't subjective.

>>2991818
it is, but "subjective" doesn't mean "everyones opinion is equally valuable"

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>this entire garbage thread

>>2991818
Yes it is.

>>2990832
Artists aren't normie though.


They are just a different kind of weirdo to the neck beards on here.

>>2990806
But the redlines always sucked.

Sometimes and often more than the original drawing.

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>all these triggered anime fags

>>2989517
Don't talk down from your ivory tower when it's built in the same pit you look down upon.

>>2993820
The paradox of /ic/ is that the master / learner relationship is always built at last partly on trust (because it's impossible that you know better than the person you're learning from) and d/ic/ks delude themselves that every artist in the world is a hack, so even if someone who's genuinely great started to make contributions it would meet a glacial response.

At this point the only people left who still give advice are the most deluded of all.

>>2989517
Maybe we should have a separate board for lurkers to earn their pass to /ic/, but then you'd need accounts and moderation and you basically end up with a regular forum.

The only solution is to bash or ignore all the shitposters and criticize unhelpful criticism.