how long until you started seeing improvements drawing from imagination?

Keep a sketchbook where you draw from imagination daily without any inspiration or reference to aid you helps, at least for me.

If you don't draw enough from imagination how do you expect to exercise that "muscle"? :p

>>2985096
yeah idk. ive been doing that more lately. mostly ive bought like 20 art books (loomis, bridgman, hogarth, etc) and have been trying to study all the info in there.

i was always decent at drawing what i saw. but i STILL fucking suck at drawing from imagination, even though ive been drawing on and off for years.

doing random imagination sketches doesn't seem to help much either though

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>>2985091
Why no turtle fish paint

Show us a diff of your imagination drawings

I did an imagination inktober once and it helped a lot. I did notice my gains significantly slowed the more I drew from imagination and the less I studied.

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>>2985091
If you can tell that you suck then you already know what's wrong. Why don't you just fix it?

sauce?

I'm constantly improving.
I mostly just draw from imagination, and when I'm stuck, I look at refs and fix things.
That way I also remember what I learned from the ref, as it was part of problem solving.

>>2985594
Just because you have the knowledge that something is wrong does not mean you have the knowledge on how to fix it.

>>2986690
Yeah, and it's not just knowledge it's also mileage. You could have all the anatomy knowledge in the world, but if you haven't practiced anatomy enough then your figures will look bad. Even if you know it's bad.

>>2986690
What? Are you retarded? That's exactly how it works.

>>2986690
>rly makes u think

>>2985091
You don't just learn to draw from imagination magically after copying loomis memes for X years, you have to practice that shit.

>tfw you're under the very strong impression that ic struggles less with drawing and more with learning. Consequently, ic struggles to learn to draw

>>2986760
>>2986869
People who have no idea how it works.
Just because you know you fucked up foreshortening, diminution and overlapping does not mean you can draw it correctly again.

>>2986760
>>2986869
I know that the current economic model is wrong, it doesn't means that I have a better alternative.

>>2986760
>>2986869
Actually, he's completely correct, try installing some common sense please.

>>2985091

I'll tell you my observation and thoughts on it, take into consideration though that I am inexperienced artist.

Kim Jung Gi that /ic/ nearly universally praises for his imagination drawing admits that his subjects are mostly taken from the daily life. He tries to capture what he sees in the day, but exaggerate it and change it of course and often do a spin on it all. It's a combination of daily experience + daydreaming, that's also why he draws in his sketchbooks a lot of naked babes because he is a horny motherfucker.

Another thing that I noticed is that animators, who I generally consider as one of the most creative guys doing commercial art, stress very much drawing from life and live subjects. Stephen Silver does it so often, he even made videos where he sits in the mall outside the caffeteria and tries to capture interesting to him people (who pass quickly, what, he sees them in his field of view for like 10 seconds or so?) and then draw them, stylized ofc for character design.

What I want to say is - I come to conclusion that successful imagination drawing is in truth having very highly developed skills of capturing interesting shapes, gestures, moods and situations from life, from things around you and transforming them in a controlled manner to realize some vision of yours.

Oh, another example: this lecture/talk by Scott Robertson, "Creating your own sources of inspiration"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=diMDoFkN73s

What he does here seems fucking unbelievable, like making some unfair hacks or doing it "just too easy". At one point he talks about taking a crumpled piece of paper, putting it in front of webcam and watching it through some shitty software that goes on Mac by default and which allows you to see on the webcam mirrored transformations of objects etc. And then he simply captures it and paints over it.

Or sticks camera to the wall and photographs vents and stuff sticking from wall and then paints over making sf env

>>2985091
A few weeks after I threw away my ego, accepted that I suck and started grinding construction.

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>>2988543

I mean, look at this shit, it's this hack with photobooth that I am talking about:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3gHSw1bJOM

So basically the only thing I can say is -
experiment non stop, try to transform what you draw, the more knowledge you already posses the better because you'll have more tools to make those controlled transformations. I guess people who know how to draw very well male anatomy can make those believable Hulk-like bad guys/bosses/giant warriors because they know that drawing this and that muscle slightly different will enlarge the chest, make arms bigger etc.

I...I guess that if you don't have this mindset or crystalize your idea well, you will never be good of drawing from imagination because you will never know what you want to do and wander aimlessly.

Btw, also one last thing - there's a book by Dodson, same guy who wrote "Keys to Drawing" that is recommended to beginners. It's called "Keys to Drawing from Imagination" (yeah, very imaginative, I know), but actually it's pretty solid and talks about techniques you can use to create fantastical new stuff and keep your creativity going.

Certainly IMO drawing from imagination requires more of design skills and having certain developed creative process thinking.

>>2985091
For drawing by imagination, I started seeing improvements after making these adjustments:
-Learn landmarks. Learn gesture as relating more to the skeletal pose, and rhythms as the the generalized form/silhouette.
-I do not think of construction as building the figure out of shapes. Instead I think of using boxes as a way of constraining what I want to draw.
-I draw the torso first, not the head. It's easier to resize the head to fit the center body mass.
-Spheres are good for scaling since they do not change in perspective. Boxes are for maintaining orientation of the axes.
-Instead of constructing the body as combination of different parts, I box the entirety of the body, then divide it. This gives much better proportions.

I don't remember how long it took to come to these realizations, but together they were my eureka moment.

Nice image to Start with faggot.

>>2986760
Then how come we haven't cured cancer yet.

>>2988543
>>2988561
Very useful and well thought out posts senpai, I'm not OP but this helps me a lot so thank you.

>>2988582
>-I do not think of construction as building the figure out of shapes. Instead I think of using boxes as a way of constraining what I want to draw.

Not OP but can you explain that one further?

Don't train everything at once. Go about in a structured, focused manner. If you practice drawing a nose for a week from imagination you WILL see improvements. Scale it up from there.

If you practice everything at once in a brainddead fashion (not knowing what you actually want to draw) then there will be very little improvements.

>>2990036
The basic idea is starting with simplicity and using a single mental point of reference. The short version is I do not try to envision the subject out of shapes. I place the subject inside a glass box. That's my singled reference point.

The long version: Some people try to construct body parts out of a combination of different shapes, but for beginners this leads to the same problem as drawing without construction. You're making a lot of mental judgements on size, distance, and angles. You're arranging many things. If any of the shapes you draw are incorrect or the arrangement is not exacting, the entire thing is thrown off.

A box, once you've learned to draw it reliably, gives you consistency. It gives you one set of XYZ axes to work with, and all the edges are the same length, making the box a good tool of measurement in space. The box is also easy to extrapolate or divide into multiple boxes while retaining that geometric consistency. Being easily divided means you can find accurate midlines, and those are very important to drawing the body in perspective.

So I'd draw the box that would best enclose the actual subject, and make adjustments based on its relationship to the box. Only when I get the major proportions and orientations down do I go in and make the body construction more complex, and that's only if I need to. Even if the box I draw is incorrect, everything will be incorrect in a consistent way, so I can fix the entire figure by using a few transform functions.

>>2986760
>N=NP

>>2990348
* P = NP.

>>2985091

Aren't you simply fooling yourself?

You get better at something. For the sake of simplification, let's say it's drawing cat girl porn.

Now you want to draw from imagination. You won't be satisfied anymore with weird buildings and a dog looking like a sock, because your brain remembers the comfort zone, with that cat girl which was actually decent (not litteraly).

After some time, you'll be drawing more girls and no dog/buildings, and then you'll say to yourself

> What happened to my creativity?
> I used to draw this and that and now my brain is empty and I have no drive

>>2986639
https://hitomi.la/galleries/735208.html
enjoy, gets me cumming every time

You how at some point you don't need to look a word up in the dictionary anymore because you memorized the spelling and definition? And that you achieved that by doing flash cards, constantly rewriting the word, saying it out loud, etc. until you could write it from memory?

Well I think its similar in art. You have to make the effort to memorize what you study. I would focus on what part of the body, do drawings from life/references. And then set aside time the same day to try and see if you can do it from memory.

If you like anime, study a picture/artist you like, and then practice in your sketchbook. That way you can learn how other artist think and you'll start to not rely on references.

>>2990258
Can we see some of your art? Not implying anything negative, I would just like to learn. Especially if you have some kind in between images showing a basic construction process you do.