>you fell for the "you don't need to go to

why, do you feel like you would draw better if you went? LOL

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>you didnt fall for the "you need to go to art school" meme

The problem is that successful artists think they didn't need art school, since they did a lot of research/ practice om their own and those who made it without artschool are really independent, industrious personalities that are not only talented, but have an amazing work ethic.

For the average person art school is going to help them in a lot of regards, depending on the school, of course.

>>2973953
The average person isn't going to make it.

quality thread

drink bleach you fucking retard

>>2973955
That's bullshit. The average person won't land a high paying industry concept art job or be able to successfully become an independent illustrator, but that doesn't mean they can't make a living as an artist. There are dozens of nichés and job opportunities for people who are skillful draughtsmen.

>>2973934
Take your shitty template thread and fuck off

I am not strictly in an "art school" but in a graphics design school.
It has been a good experience so far, we learn about how to sell yourself as an artist, how to manage shit in the industry and all sorts of stuff
you dont have to be good to draw and stuff, as long as you learn to market your skills etc

Also you get the papers of an "artesan" which sounds cool to normies.

Don't go to art school, go to graphic design school :)

>>2973966
>There are dozens of nichés and job opportunities for people who are skillful draughtsmen.
like? Not meming, I'd like to know more.

>>2973983
graphic design is not what most people who do art want to do, stop falseflagging gdfags.

You don't need to go to art school
Think about it
What does an art school provide?
Knowledge, Discipline and Contacts

>Knowledge
You know as well as I that you can find all the information that you need on the internet.
There are so many forumns and artists on the internet that you can ask for critique.
There are better books here on the internet from great artists all around the world and are better than some art curriculum

>Discipline
This one I learned the hard way
School doesn't really teach you discipline, it forces you to do the work of you fail, this is not discipline this is mentally harming yourself. After you leave school you will not continue to produce the same output that you did when you had immediate consequences if you failed.
The only way to learn discipline is to do things of your own free will that are difficult to do. The more you do of this the more discipline you will develop and you do not need a school for that

>Contacts
This is one of the most valid reason on the list however it only applies to top students in top schools and most schools tend not to be top schools and most students tend not to be top students.
With the age of the internet you probably have an equal chance of getting your name out there by just posting stuff on the internet and building a following.

>Other stuff
Modern art, it is rampant in the vast majority of art schools. These art schools teach nothing of value, no life drawing, no colour theory, no perspective lessons, no digital art, no design. It's all about making fancy sculptures out of tree leave and scraps of magazines that express your feelings.
The qualification you recieve from a school like this is completely worthless and you will have wasted your money, time and sanity.
Research your school, there are only a handful of art schools in the world that are actually worth going to.

You didn't fall for a meme, you saved yourself alot of money

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I went to art school for four years and it was the biggest waste of time on the planet. From my experience art school is only worth it if you're already billy badass at drawing or whatever you're going into and you're just going there to show off to the teachers to get your name known and make connections. I learned a few things here and there but it was always the bare surface level of the topic, I think my money and time would have been way more effectively spent if I had just gone the self teaching route. Art school also sucks because it forces you to do all these shitty projects and assignments that you feel nothing for (unless you like that in which case God speed.) Now I'm trying to grind out my mileage as hard as I can to try to catch up whilst working a full time IT job it sucks and I wish I could get that time back but what can you do!

>>2974009
>knowledge
one good thing about university is that it gives you structured knowledge in good doses and forces you to utilize that knowledge for a period of time.

The downside of the internet being full of so much knowledge is there's just too much, its hard to know where to start, sometimes you get conflicting ideas, sometimes things are just wrong. And sometimes its just better to have started with something else before you start doing whatever it is you're currently trying out.

In college/school this is structure in a way that helps students make sense of everything.

So while you can do it yourself, school does make it easier (at a high cost)

>>2973985
really depends on the profession and wether you prefer to be a freelancer or hired. /ic/ seems to think the only way to "make it" is becoming a concept artist for movies or triple a games or an illustrator for blizzard or mtg, while completely ignoring that decent freelance artist have it easier than ever with the rise of indie game studios and social media. making an income with commissions and patreon is also achievable. for a more stable job there is book illustration. not only for novel covers, but nonfiction as well - especially history and biology books tend to be heavily illustrated. there is also magazines that hire illustrators and cartoonists.
for designers there are TONS of opportunities. while I wouldn't count graphic design as art per say, there are design schools that teach you the fundamentals and rely heavily on draughtsmenship like industrial design and product design, landscape design, interior design and architecture. while those schools aren't primeraly considered 'art schools' you will spend a lot of time drawing in these fields. if you are decent and have a diploma you will be able to get a job.
if you're more into fine arts you could sell your art or work as an art instructor/ teacher. if you're not good enough to be accepted at a university or art school, just open up your own atelier and give overpriced painting lessons for soccer moms.

there are so, so many possibilities depending on your interests and skillset. if you go 'working for blizzard or nothing' that's on you.

>>2973988
you can apply the business knowledge you learn at gd school to regular art
what's wrong with that?
I dont want to be a graphics designer, I want to draw shit to people and that's it but I don't know at all how to market myself, and the school's there to help, also you meet other people, make friends and can resort to when in need of help
sitting home drawing and drawing and drawing doesn't get you too far

>>2974014
what are you hoping to do with your art and what made you feel you weren't good enough to do it even after 4 years at an art school?

The only places I have heard that are not a waste of complete money are art center/concept design academy/ and from what I hear some online courses are good over at schoolism/cgmaster academy.

But a normal art school? I'd never drop the amount of money on tuition that I did back in uni. But I can understand why a classroom environment is important. It creates competition and an environment to grow.Shows you what you're lacking in compared to your fellow students. At least thats what feng zhu said. He may be an asshole whos trying to advertise his design school, and rips off artists. But he knows his shit about the industry.

>>2974046
after doing lots of different stuff i realized i just want to draw bondage fetish porn anime girls all day but even after 4 years i still suck

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>>2974059
ah, I see. well godspeed anon. I believe in you.

>>2974014
An art school environment is definitely most beneficial for those who are already decent at drawing. Those types of students are able to grasp the concepts presented in class much better. I go to art school myself and I feel that a lot of my peers would be better off improving their skills for a year or two on their own rather than sticking around and not getting much out of it.

>>2973934
art school graduate who only sunk 30k in for a 4.5 year college
FUCK ART SCHOOL
what a waste of time

>>2974016
but that also means everybody learns the same things, and as artists, why would a client work with you when there are thousands with the same skills?

with the internet you choose what you want to learn

I just finished a semester of art school and it was kind of disappointing. I don't regret it because at least it was an excuse to keep doing art, but just doing something like Watts online is way better if you want to actually study technique properly. There's very little focus on technique at the college, you're just pumping out assignment after assignment.

>>2974014

It's a lot like this guy said. The assignments are just arbitrary busy-work for the most part, and you get a little lecture beforehand. It's not a good environment to learn in, it's putting the cart before the horse in a lot of ways.

I think you can make art school work if you already know what you're doing, and you practice using actual good resources in your free time, but if you were someone just going into art school and expecting it to teach you how to get good you would come out of it without having actually learned much. The best thing I got out of it was 3 hours of life drawing a week and a handful of assignments where I got to do portraits or figures. The rest was just bullshit.

If you're in a situation where it's either go to art school or give up being a professional artist, then it's your call, but I wouldn't really recommend it unless you're already really dead set on getting good. You certainly don't need to go to art school to get good, but I don't know how much practice you could get if you're spending all your time studying something else in college, or at a full time job. If you're in a situation where you already have plenty of practice time don't bother. If you're in a situation where you need an excuse to draw for three years, and you don't mind dealing with a lot of pointless bullshit, go to art school.

And for the love of god do not put yourself into debt to study this shit. Don't take out fucking student loans to study art because that's flat out retarded, and you're going to be too busy flipping burgers afterwards to pursue any sort of art career.

>>2974132
The people who praise it are mostly idiots who can't get past their sunk cost. I had a friend tell me how great it was in the first few years, but by the time he graduated he was lamenting all the money it cost and how little he actually learned. The schadenfreude is delicious, art students are some of the most stuckup self absorbed people.

>>2974115

Though art school is certainly shit, I think those statistics have a good deal to do with the type of people who go into art school as well. From my experience most of them can't draw for shit, and they have no intention of learning how to do so properly, but as long as they do the work they can get through and graduate.

Your average community college art class is 20 people who will never be good at drawing, 5 people who have some sort of mental disability, and one or two people who might get somewhere eventually.

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>>2974180
I don't doubt that there is a lot of truth in that statement, however in my opinion it's far less about the fact that many people go to school and don't make it and more about the fact that such a substantial portion of people who had never gone to school did.

>>2974113
First of all, you're learning the fundamentals essentially which is universal and you'll need.

As to why you'd want people with the same skills, large companies like reliability and the ability for artists to work together. Artists with massively different skill sets will have a harder time finding a way to work together.
In the end your skill will still be based on how much work you put into it yourself along with your creativity, school is just there to get you learning the bases that'll be useful all around.

>>2973985
>become a mediocre tattoo artist
>250$ for one three hour session

>>2976079
well my uncle happens to be the best tatoo artist in capital and he lives like average middleclass Joe

>>2976399
That's pretty good considering artists are often starving.

>>2976399
all that effort of studying/practice sure paid off!

>>2976407
he started with machine made of fucking pen in middle school and tatooed himself and his shady friends
now he lives comfortable life and does what he loves
how about you? lmao

>>2976415
post his work

>>2976405
Only fine artists are often starving.

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heh

>>2973934

Oh look a high quality thread from a delusional person.

Spend tens of thousands each year. Listen to 90% of hacks that will try to instill modern art shit onto you. You will either be a pariah if you don't follow their teachings or you will become a hack like them speaking shit like "people just don't get my ART", waste your time on stupid classes you don't want to but you have to because they are part of the program

or

>buy books,
>get free and "free" pdfs of great teachers proven through time and longevity of their teachings that stand the test of time
>youtube videos, video tutorials,
>pay for video. You usually spend same money as you would to see a blockbuster in a movie (but you get to keep the video and watch it every time while you need to buy movie ticket every time)
>art dedicated sites where you can find really awesome art, tutorials, tricks and tips
>draw on regular bases
>commitment