/beg/ - THE BEGINNER THREAD

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Pic from last thread, can I get a crit please?

>>2967307
is the photo tilted or is the drawing that fucked? if you gonna take a picture make sure it fucking straight. Also resize that shit wtf.

ima assume that the picture is tilted but from what i see this looks nice i like the face minus the mouth. the mouth looks like a chimp.

>>2967327
>tilted
Yeah, I tried to take a pic but I really don't know if I should just raise the the drawing or take a picture right above it. I'm just retarded, I guess. Also how do I resize?

>>2967340
there are instructions in the FUCKING op

>>2967340
ngmi

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Hello, crit me please.

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thoughts?

>>2967350
i like it, actually makes me feel something. nice job man.

>>2967358
wew lad...

>>2967307
i like your linework

>>2967347
looks creepy

>>2967350
are you 10?

>>2967365
Are you? It's a picasso painting

>>2967369
well, aren't you a epic trolle? xDD
it looks awful btw. did this hack even know how to draw?

>>2967373
Hahahahha lmao top fef

>>2967365
Thanks

>>2967347
the eyes look they are badly placed.

>>2967373
he had syphilis from all the bitches he fucked. he learned to draw by 14 and his mind deteriorated fucking his art gains. feels bad man...

yerite

I have a 6''x4'' drawing tablet. I'd like to eventually upgrade that to something at least twice that size. Will I be hurting myself by drawing on this for now? Kind of worried that I'll develop muscle memory that won't transfer over well to larger drawing surfaces.

>>2967412
I mean it's possible. Do you know how you suppose to draw? from your shoulder and elbow and not with your wrist or fingers. It'll be hard to get that range of motion ingrained into your art if you are stuck to such a small surface. Look at huions tablets for a amazing size to price ratio and incredible build quality too.

>>2967416
I've been drawing on paper for a few weeks now and I plan to continue primarily doing that, but I also want to start practicing at digital painting. 6x4 isn't so small that you can't use your shoulder or anything, but yeah, range of motion is a little constrained.

It'll probably be a month or so before I can get a better tablet. Should I just put it off until then and focus on physical media for now?

>>2967422
not anon, but I've been using a 4x6 bamboo for years and I don't think it's crippled me at all.

Thinking about taking a drawing course online. This one in particular

http://vilppuacademy.com/2013/the-courses/

Thoughts? Is it a decent way to learn the fundamentals?

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Again, can somebody give a little critique on this?

>>2967453
her right hand is too long and her weight distribution is off.

>>2967411

>>2967478
>>2967411
Meant to say is that supposed to be Kat or Lux?
You forgot the dark skin if it's Kat.

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critique my masterpiece

>>2967502
didnt know beethoven was crosseyed.
keep going its not done yet.

>>2967502
Give him a hat please

>>2967503
it is too small so i dont want to/its really hard with my pen to improve it

>>2967507
kek. yeah i put literally no efford into the hair.

thanks for replying

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>>2967280
Crit please

>>2967515
in the pic he is tilted backwords, so the angle is wrong. you suffer from sybol drawing i think.

>>2967515
your perspective is a little off,
you drew him as if he is looking left and facing perfectly left, when in fact his face is directed at a slight upward angle.

>>2967515
and you drew him like he had 300 operations behind himself instead of only 200

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how do i get better at perspective? should i do those 'draw 1000 boxes' meme exercises? or do i just need to draw lots of still life?

>>2967530
1000 boxes == ISIS

>>2967530
step one
>stop symbol drawing
step 2
>draw ONLY what you see, try to analyze how big are the different shapes you need to draw and where do i need to put them
step 3
>draw things
>???
>profit

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>>2967281
I don't want to finish it because I know somethings wrong but I don't know what exactly. Help?

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Hey im doing a rough sorta sketch before I decide on major things / real line work and i was wondering does this head look okay? Like is it to big? small? For some reason it feels off. Thank you

>>2967548
Sorry that it looks bad btw

>>2967539
>symbol drawing
What is that exactly? im just new here.

>>2967502
Those eyes gave me a hearty kek.

>>2967548
right eye seems to be too far to the left and too small and too high.

>>2967544
eyes too far apart and too big

>>2967552
It's lost its meaning because it is just something that beginners regurgitate to other beginners.

>>2967559
but it doesnt loose its meaning only because a beginner points it out.

>>2967557
Sorry the face is just kinda a placeholder but thank you, im just wondering about the heads size / location relative to the shoulders. Like if it looks anatomically correct

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>>2967285
She got nice tits

>>2967564
what i mean the placement of the eye does change the perspective of the face so that it looks that the face needs the whole space of your elliptic head shape, which it shouldnt. you know, there is a side part of the head you see. thats what is missing in your pic which makes the head awkward.

TL;DR: Draw the side of the head also,dont fill all of the head up with face.

>>2967456
>> hand
Arm, anon. It is called an arm.

>>2967564
Assuming you aren't trolling, her shoulders are disproportionate to each other and the closest one is too short.

>>2967513
You can make it, Anon.

>>2967568
i think she is supposed to face right so its the thing he drew the perspective in a self contradictory way.

>>2967567
Oh okay i get you, Thank you for the help! Sorry I misunderstood you before

>>2967568
Sorry im not trolling. thought it was a beginner thread. But thank you, I'll make sure to fix the shoulders

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I'm trying gesture for the first time
2/500

>>2967566
hips look disproportionally massive.

>>2967571
Yeah, the same mistake I did several times with my vampires.

>>2967575
i rate
S.t.a.l.k.e.r./10

>>2967577
Yeah, sorry about that. The picture was too dark for me. I'll fix it later. Any more mistakes? Also thanks for replying

>>2967559
>>2967562
YES BUT WHAT IS THE MEANING BEHIND IT?

>>2967583
"Does your work look like the example here (or worse)? Then you suffer from symbol drawing. This means you draw your idea of reality instead of what's actually there.

To cure your symbol drawing, you need a different view of the world around you. Instead of drawing what you know, start drawing values, shapes and shadows. For example, while before you might have drawn an eye, now draw this abstract combination of dark and light areas.

Learning to copy is the most basic skill an artist needs. This is the first step towards analyzing references and other art to improve your own work."

>>2967586
Thank you! should i practice that or is that a just meme?

>>2967589
Practice. It isn't a meme

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>>2967402
this, people throw shade at picasso when he could paint like this when he was 10.

>>2967589
Practice 100%. Focus on lines and pretend that's all they are, at least for now.

>>2967598
>>2967594
just elementary 3d shapes?

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>>2967601
No, everything. Here's a rather explicit tutorial on the matter.

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I tried loomis, this is my first drawing, pls teach me what is wrong in my drawing

>>2967605
First is to resize your image, second keep going.
The nose is flat. The jaw should be a bit longer.
But hey, I'm just a /beg/ like you.

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>>2967605
going to give a really shitty redline, I'm on my laptop. the nose is too long, it's squashing the mouth down and it's not giving it enough room between the chin. the jaw seems small. the eyes seem a bit big. keep going with the loomis books and he'll tell you how to map the muscles on the face which makes it easier to set all the features. the nose looks kind of flat and planeless too.

oh and he appears to have heterochromia and his ears are too small. bottom of earlobes are usually in line with the bottom of the nose when looked at at a flat angle.

Im new to 4chan so i dont know how to reply people, but hey, thanks for all your guide

>>2967575

Too many lines.

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>>2967614
Loomis Vilppu

He does look like a german officer defending berlin in 1944....

>>2967623
IMO, he kinda resembles Putin.

>>2967624
almost looks human now. the nose tip and nostrils look a little too small though, and the mouth looks pursed in a way that the guy looks like he's about to get sprayed in the face with pepper spray. could I see the ref?

Question, how does dropping symbol drawing help when drawing from imagination, like drawing ones shitty OCs?

working on Pixel art in Gimp and some of the images I imported aren't the correct pixal size. how do I scale them down so I can do a 1 to 1 again?

>>2967631
Even the greatest artists use references. The alternative is copying something so many times you've got it embedded in your brain, but that still requires dropping symbol drawing.

>>2967634
I see, even if said character is stylized as hell?

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I fixed the tip of nose and ortris, does he look ok now ?

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>>2967286
How is it?

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>>2967642
Often you need knowledge of something in order to distort it. Or else you night end up with pic related.

>>2967604
Hey man, that looks super helpful ill get on it after dinner.

>>2967647
Thank you for teaching me, anime

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>>2967280
I'm going to start drawing all the remaining practices tomorrow

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It's just too difficult.

A stupid question but a question nonetheless. Are you supposed to practice working with ink on some special kind of paper?

I've been trying to work on a generic print paper and the nibs aren't dealing with it very well. There is a lot of resistance and it even seems to generate fluff whenever I try to go for a heavier line.

I'm using Zebra meme nibs so the pen itself is definitely not part of the issue.

So do I need some special kind of paper, are the lines supposed to be somewhat rough with that medium or is it just something I must somehow get used to?

>>2967675
Can we see?

>>2967680
I [spoiler]don't have a smartphone[/spoiler].

>>2967682
lol

Can anyone help me out? I did the terrible mistake of starting off with "anime art" when I was younger, and I realize all these years I've been using it as a crutch. I can draw a decent stylized piece but I'm completely stunted in other areas of perspective, anatomy, etc. and I don't know for the life of me how to do a proper study. What should I be doing/reading/studying right now?

>>2967688
Show us your drawings first

>>2967643
Looks better anon. Keep it up.

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Sketch of a bust of Kathe Kollwitz.

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>>2967674
no such ding my man.
keep it up and try some more.

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An idea and sketch actually turned out fucking decent for once, I'm so happy. I know it's all chicken scratchy n shit and I'll fix it soon.

I actually didn't fail myself for once and it's exciting

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Critique would be appreciated, also what's a good utensil to use for shading? I've used charcoal before, but I'm worried it will get smudged to hell in the sketchbook.

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>>2967773
Reference

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people told me this would help

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>>2967810
that will help, but you should also buy a good model skull for 60bux and draw it from direct observation. You need both.

Pic related, i practice what i preach

>>2967815
>60 bux
mate, thats like 4 months worth of food, i cant afford that.

>>2967817
kek

>>2967647
the fuck i'd be happy ending up with pic related.

>>2967817
You wanna git gud or not?

Also what the fuck is your diet? do you only eat 500 calories a day?

>>2967837
bowl of rice
whey with milk
orange
every day

>>2967838
Cut your internet and you'll be able to eat like a real person.

>>2967840
OY VEY give up on all your learning resources and information gathering tools goyim. its all worth it for luxury, decadence and comfort heheh

>>2967844
if you have a smart phone you could get rid of your house internet tbhfam

>>2967856
its an objectively inferior method and also costs probably more per month. i dont even know why i respond, internet is worth so much more than what you are suggesting that i dont even know why you would argue about it. im beginning to think that artists are often extremely retarded

>>2967863
You're talking to people who carve chemicals onto essentially a tree. There's nothing more inferior than this.

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Riddle me this, /beg/:
How do you study? Is it just a nicer word for grinding or is there a process?

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>>2967863
>artists are often extremely retarded

>>2967844
1) You could use the internet at the library.
2) The internet is more Jewish than food is. If you've wasted more than an hour away at a time on the internet then you've been bamboozled.

>>2967900
You're either born to make it or not. You posting such a shit image means you aren't gonna make it.

>>2967908
pic unrelated i stole it from deviantart

>>2967347
You aged her quite a bit. She has granny cheeks and wrinkly eyes. To fix it, just soften the mouth lines and blend more.

Your values are too intense. You should try not to use black unless you have to. The only areas that should come close to black are under the brow ridge near the corners of the eyes, a very small amount only small amount only. Lighten your values, make them more even, and blend more so you get rid of the wrinkly skin texture.

The nose perspective looks off and shifted to the left. Last thing, flip your image horizontally and you can see how messed up the face looks. You need to measure better.

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>>2967279

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how do i do better

anyone do acrylic shit here? i like JUST started and im not sure how to paint over other layers without it showing through and looking stupid

>>2967984
Paint more than one layer over other layers.

>>2967646
stiff as hell

>>2967990
I have. How many layers does it take?

How would that work if someone is doing more precise painting?

>>2968002
It only takes like two or three layers depending on how watery you apply your paint.

How do you get used to a tablet? I feel like my hand is hanging in the air and I have no control over my strokes whatsoever. No feedback is killing me too.

Also is there any way to lock the tablet's area to the canvas?

>>2968007
try to put paper or canvas on top of your tablet

>>2967983
Draw
From
Life

>>2968029
what does that do?

>spend like 12 hours practicing yesterday
>wake up this morning
>shoulder and arm feel like I spent the entire previous day at the gym

Guess I'm either doing it right or I'm doing it really wrong.

>>2968054
Are you a beginner? They get that shit the first few times.

>>2967632
Zoom out and take a screenshot?

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>Lack of progress, start feeling sad
>Look back through my sketchbooks
Over all these years, I've probably spent less than a week actually drawing. I'm just fucking lazy.

>>2968081
>tfw clocked over hundreds of hours already
Feels good.

>>2968007
>Also is there any way to lock the tablet's area to the canvas?

Yes, should be an option in your tablet's software preferences.

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Why are my lines so atrocious? I've been practicing for like 2 weeks now and they're as awful as ever. This is my first attempt on tablet, they're only slightly better in paper.

I lock my wrist, do the movement with my arm and to no avail. I don't know what else to try.

>>2968119
>atrocious
>2 weeks
>first attempt at tablet

come back and ask in 6 months

>>2968119
what exactly were you trying to draw here?

>>2968119
Nigga what the fuck are you doing? Either you're doing it too fast or too slow. What do your straight lines look like? Like the other guy said you need to keep practicing. But don't just mindlessly rush through expecting results eventually. You need to pay attention to exactly what you're doing, and experiment to see what works and what doesn't. Be smart about it.

>do something the wrong way a million times
>WHY AREN'T I GETTING BETTER

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hey it looks like my parkinson's got better

>>2967347
You don't have enough mid tones, the transition from light to dark is too extreme and jarring.

The masses of the neck are all wrong.

The facial features are all cock-eyed and skewed.

You have hard edges in some places, like the eyes, and then have the jawline out of focus. Things like that need to be consistent.

You need work on blending and making smooth transitions across the planes of the face.

The edges of the hair is cheating and unfinished.

The eyeballs are all wrong. You have a black ring around the iris, and they're too dark.

The eyebrows have no form. They're made of hair, they're not black smudges.

The cheekbones don't match.

The ear needs to be redone completely.

The lighting makes no sense.

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>>2967373
Picasso could draw quite well. He was classicaly trained, his later work was breaking the rules he was taught as a student. His later work didn't require "good drawing", that was the point.

Example attached of his student work.

>>2967412
You worry too much. An artist works on varying sizes of paper/canvas/whatever over their career.

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So I've spent so much time learning to draw the human figure I can draw some damn good looking bodies now. But all this time i've avoided drawing faces. I figured this weekend I'd finally start. This is my first face attempt drawn from reference.

I know its laughably bad and everything needs improvement but if you could tell me which areas I should focus in I'd appreciate it. I really do well with specific goals.


I really try my best to avoid symbols. I drew the eyes as best I could referencing the photo but they still look like symbols to me. Is it because they lack depth?

>>2967416
>Do you know how you suppose to draw? from your shoulder and elbow and not with your wrist or fingers.

Shoulder drawing for everything is urban myth. Shoulder drawing is for large surfaces, and for figure drawing. If you're trying to should draw on something 8x10, or smaller, you're doing it hysterically wrong.

No wonder people advance so slowly here - you guys are giving bad and horrifically damaging advice.

PS - I've been painting and drawing professionally longer than most of you have been alive. "Shoulder drawing" has never been a thing, outside of figure drawing, and working on large canvases.

>>2968211
If this is genuinely "drawn from reference" you unironically need to read the sticky

For a beginner, is it harder or more time consuming to color a piece of digital art than it is to do the lineart and inking?

>>2967530
source image please? I know, I'm probably retarded

>>2968215
oh geez. I will go back to it then. At least I know to start over I guess.

>>2968211
see >>2967604

>I really try my best to avoid symbols.
Not trying hard enough. Do you honestly think those eyes look *anything* like the eyes in the reference? Stop drawing your preconceived idea of how eyes should be drawn. Draw precisely what is there in the reference. Every line and shadow.

Speaking of symbols. Why do we try so hard to avoid them? Aren't qt anime grills made entirely of symbols?

>>2968222
>Not trying hard enough.
Yeah I didn't realize how engraved drawing symbols were in my head.

I have to agree I don't know why the fuck I thought those eyes looked anything like the reference until I had to have someone point it out.

>>2967675
There's no official paper to use with ink, but Bristol is probably what you're looking for, or vellum, which is what calligraphers use. It's thicker, smoother paper that the nib won't catch on or grind against. Generic printer paper is only good for throwaway rough sketches. The good news is, Bristol isn't that expensive. I use Strathmore 400:
http://www.dickblick.com/products/strathmore-400-series-bristol-board/

Another option is hot press Illustration board. (in art papers, hot = smoother, cold = rougher, texture)

>>2967773
Whats wrong with pencils?

And, if you want to preserve charcoal drawings, use spray fixative when done. This was a required item in figure drawing classes. In a pinch, hairspray works too.

>>2967838
you just gave a great list of things to draw. there's a reason still life has been around so long.

>>2967984
It's called painting opaquely. Paint straight from the tube, onto the canvas, or building up layers. the more water or medium you use to thin the paint, the more translucent it becomes. Handling paint is part of the learning process.

>>2968007
Please tell me you're not trying to "shoulder draw" with a tablet. "Shoulder drawing" is a damaging meme here, ignore it, it's perfectly fine to rest your hand on the table/tablet when drawing that small.

>>2968227
Just keep working at it. Develop the critical eye, and be autistically specific about every detail. It's frustrating at first, but you'll make it.

>>2968119
Stop listening to the idiotic advice on here and use your wrist. When drawing small, or fine detail there is nothing wrong with using the wrist as a pivot point.

>>2968234
i didnt use any medium, i just slapped paint onto a palette then onto the canvas

>>2968236
I remember when I was first learning to draw and I had this little Bamboo capture. When I was told I was supposed to shoulder draw I was so dumbfounded how the fuck I was supposed to do that when I only have the drawing area the size of a postcard.

It's funny thinking back on it but I know that advice has to troll beginner digital artists hard and it needs to die.

>>2968214
>>2968236
>>2968238
Have fun with your carpal tunnel :^)

>>2968241
Then keep doing that. Look, painting often requires some thought before doing the first brush stroke, you should have an idea starting out where the darkest values will be, and the lighter areas, and keep the darker values out of that area, so you don't have color bleeding through. If you have a solid blue across the entire canvas, and a yellow circle in the middle, you don't put blue paint where the yellow will go.

Mistakes and accidents happen, and then you try to overpaint it - but I've honestly skipped that and just scraped the paint off and started over lots of times, because I paint pretty clearly and don't like a lot of built up paint.

You have to plan a painting. Take a landscape - the first thing is the sky, and I overpaint the edges so there's overlay. Then the ground, and whatever else on top of that. Dark over light. If there are light areas in the ground, like rocks, or houses, or light tree trunks, I leave those areas blank. Just slapping paint onto a canvas won't work for figurative or realistic painting, that's what "modern" artists do.

>>2968247
Its the 21st century. We will be able to buy new wrists in a few decades.

>>2968247
Have fun with your meme and trolling.

I've been painting and drawing professionally longer than you've been alive, and I don't have a single touch of carpal tunnel, because I was taught good stretching habits early on.

"Shoulder drawing" is something elitist poseurs sneer over at the Art Academy, and it's bullshit there, and bullshit here. You cannot draw efficiently and accurately from the shoulder on a small scale. I challenge you to crosshatch correctly in a 3x1" area in a drawing, doing it from the shoulder.

>>2968243
It's trolling, or it's posters here with a stick up their ass about it, who decided it was the only correct way to draw, because it's mentioned in their "bibles", their precious drawing books. It's untrained, amatuer artists deciding the "proper" way to draw, based on misunderstood passages in those books.

Shoulder drawing is great, don't get me wrong. It's a great thing for figure drawing, and that's where I learned it. It's great if you're doing a mural, or a 3x5' canvas. On a 8x10" drawing with heavy levels of detail, texturing, and brushwork? It's pointless and will hold anyone back.

It needs to die, forever, with a stake in it's heart, the earth sown with salt, and barbed wire around it.

It's one thing to talk about shoulder drawing with gesture drawing, it's 100% applicable there. But you can't do that kind of drawing on a 4x5" tablet. You just can't. You'd be better off spending the money to enroll in a figure drawing class at a local art school, community college, or adult education program.

I'm at the tonal bar exercise in Dodson's book, for doing the tones with the point of the pencil do I just press down then go up and down with my pencil until I get the shade

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>>2968250
>>2968247
Why can't you use both? Why does it always have to be one extreme or the other extreme with you people? I usually use the "rule of thumb" to choose whether to use shoulder or wrist. Anything that's bigger than my thumb I use my shoulder, anything smaller, I use my wrist. The only reason people and myself included tell beginners to use their shoulders is because it forces them to draw big, and get out of the habit of tiny drawings that have horrible proportions. It forces you to step back from your drawing instead of hunching over autistically and makes be able to put in more details and makes it easier to see your proportional mistakes when learning. If you wobble a little bit and make a millimeter of a mistake in you proportion line, the ratio of how much error it will cause in the rest of the drawing won't be as bad in a 12*17 drawing than in a 4*4 inch drawing. Once you get used to it, it's actually easier to draw around that size instead of the normal dainty sketchbook drawings because of precisely that fact. It's why comic book artists draw big even when they're work is going to be shrunk down to much smaller size anyway.

>>2968255
Yes. The point is to learn to control the pressure of the pencil and the stroke to produce values you want. If the paper is shiny, you're pressing too hard.

>>2968260
ngmi

>>2968262
Memeing ngmi didn't disprove my point. Stop memeing and try practicing, it'll be good for ya.

>>2968261
>If the paper is shiny

Ahh wouldn't have known that if you hadn't said it, thanks.

>>2968260
I didn't say use one. I said they all have their uses, and appropriate times to use them.

I also tell people all the time here to work bigger. I've always said that, because that's how we were taught - we weren't allowed to work smaller than 11x17" in classes.

But when someone can only afford a 4x5 tablet, telling them to use it like they're painting or drawing on a 3x4' paper pad is pointless and bad fucking advice. So stop being angry at ME, who's trying to give good advice, and save your snarling for the idiots telling people to shoulder draw on small tablets. M'kay?

And, yes, I know, professionals work bigger. I work at 200% of published size, always, have from day one. Yes, I'm a published artist, I've done everything from book covers to magazines to album covers. I also have a BFA in Illustration. I know a little bit about art.

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I tried doing some proper layering stuff instead of drawing everything in MS paint for once. How'd I do?

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>>2968273
Hmmm okay, I see what you're saying. Sorry for being so apprehensive. It's just that I keep seeing people on the internet now days always applying advice too literally and making everything too extreme. It's seems like common sense and being a balanced person is a rare commodity nowadays.

>>2968248
This isn't related to what I was asking before but are little dots of unpainted canvas looked down upon or anything? Theres some on my canvas between colors because im a dummy. If I were to fix them I'd probably just make it worse

>>2968276
Learn to draw first before worrying about layers. You shouldn't rely on layers and blending modes too early on otherwise you'll use them as a crutch. It's good to learn how to do stuff the hard way before you take shortcuts, you learn more in the process. Besides, you shouldn't need that many layers for what you're doing there, why don't you just sketch all your stuff on one layer?

>>2968276
I think you get the point of layer, if not a littletoo enthusiastic. I try to avoid too many layers, the ize I work at (usually something like 11x17" for a personal project, at 300DPI), I'll end up with a file that's a gig in size in no time. I generally will have a main layer, a palette layer, and I'll break off shapes for masking purposes, or for objects that I might want to move around. 3 layers is usually good for me. It's up to you, really. If it works, keep doing it.

I hate your color composition, however. Purple and green and red mix optically to brown, or a sickly greenish brown, which is disturbing. Try purple, red, and a dark blue. The combos of that are more appealing to the eye.

>>2968283
yeah I've been trying to get a hang for it, but I figured I'd give something more structured a shot. also I have my sketches on multiple layers because I'm using a mouse and I fuck up a lot lol

>>2968288
Just get a tablet. Steal it, get a job, do something.

>>2968282
One of my painting teachers had this advice:

"Every square inch of your painting should have purpose, and be the way it is, because you intended it to be that way."

So yes, unless you're working in "modern" type art, blank canvas looks bad. It's also bad for the integrity of the canvas over time, as moisture can creep under the paint, over time.

Your painting should have a background that covers the entire canvas, even if it's one color.

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Just as an aside, speaking of palettes, this is the one I use, that I built off of the values of the actual paints I use, for Photoshop. Feel free to use or modify or whatever. I have Rubens, and a couple of other artist's palettes around here somewhere...

I just put this on it's own layer, and mix on that layer, and lock it when I'm not mixing.

>>2968287
yeah I didn't expect this to turn into a full thing so I didn't pay too much attention to colour, didn't bother making a colour ramp, but I'm really glad that I can go back and hue shift things seperately. (also thank you)

>>2968291
alright, sounds fair enough. its like pencil tip size white dots. I guess I could just take my smallest brush and dab them in

>try to practice anatomy and gestures
>do one sketch
>looks good, spend more time on making it look better
>spend the next hour lining and coloring the sketch instead of doing more sketches
How do you decide when a sketch is "done"? What's the most time one should spend on a sketch? Should you go for quantity, or is it fair to spend your time on a small number of sketches?

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is this ok for mspaint and a mouse

>>2968307
This is one of the hardest things to learn, as an artist, so don't feel bad for running into it.

You just have to develop the will to step away, and be done. There are all kinds of stories of artists sneaking into galleries the night before an opening, to "do just a little more!"

I try to be goal oriented - what is my goal in this drawing? Did I figure out what I needed to? Is this a finished piece I'll hang up or publish?

There's nothing wrong with finishing a strong drawing while practicing. It's means you're advancing. The goal is getting to finished pieces, eventually. Grats - finishing something is to be celebrated, not worrying that you're not spending an arbitrary amount of time on tasks that some anonymous people on the internet have decided is necessary to 'get gud" (which is childish).

How much much time? How much time did it require? Quantity or quality? Whatever makes you feel like you're advancing and learning. If finishing a strong drawing is enjoyable and fulfilling, that's the correct answer.

Too much attention is spent here on time. Time alone won't make you good. Some people pick up certain things right away and don't need to put in hours, others need to work at it. Too many people here see art as a grind, not a thing of joy, which it is.

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Why can't I get this head right?

>>2968316
As a beginner myself, I strongly advice you to just pick up a pencil and paper

>>2968307
When doing figures, I've found that doing mediumly finished pieces is the best. Get it to the point where you have the forms and basic shading and color down and then move on to the next. Often what ends up happening with some art pieces is that you'll start with what you think is a bad sketch and sometimes look good in the end and sometimes you'll carefully make a perfect sketch in your mind and it looks terrible at the end. Steve Huston has pretty well summed up- It's good to finish things so that you know what to worry about and you can simply fix as you go along. You have to have discipline when doing lots of practice in my opinion. It's kinda like throwing darts, you still have to know how fucking aim, but you shouldn't spend all your effort crafting the perfect dart. It's all about trial and error.

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>>2967280

>>2968318
This.

If i can draw faster and easier on my tiny ass Galaxy Note 5 than I can on my 27" monitor with a Intuos Medium tablet does that mean I should save up for a Cintiq?

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>>2967279

>>2968344
how do I make faces/tits/shading look good and what else can I improve in this

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>>2968320
forget about values, painting and the small details like his lashes and the curves of his nose.
you need to focus on lines, measuring (length, angle) and 2d shapes to get the proportions right.

>>2968344
go dark! your shadows are so thin, don't be afraid to enlarge them, put that 6B to use
also watch out for the shape of the boobs, they're not that round
her clavicules should be a little higher

about the hair, you should get a H pencil (2H if brunette, 4 or 5H is blonde) and draw thread by thread

>>2968353
>they're not that round
my intent was 'stacked and strapped down' which I thought would change how they hung

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>>2967768
Still a WIP, but I'm loving it so far.

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Is it difficult to achieve this level of coloring, and how time consuming is it to pull off this shining look?

I'm done with this painting, people here helped me but i still feel the final product is unsatisfactory.

>>2968344
Study real people

>>2968384
The pic you posted is just cell shading with some airbrush for the shinnyness, its very easy to do

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>>2968386
Fuck I forgot my picture

>>2968320
pripriprisoner

>>2968384
I'm pretty sure this is at least partially digital so, nope, it's not hard. It's really simple cell shading so pretty much anyone with a basic knowledge of the program they're using could do that. The highlights are pretty simple too, create a layer above your colouring and draw white streaks where you want it, then blur it with some kind of blending brush and lower the opacity. It's like a five minute job.

Traditionally, I'm not sure how to create the highlights, but it's probably some kind of special marker. Definitely not time consuming though.

All of the shading colours used seem to be slightly warmer and deeper variations of the original colour. Again, pretty simple.

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how are my forms

>>2967664
How can I improve? I've been reading Loomis's Heads and hands and after that I'll pick up his figure drawing.

If you are a beginner then you should be practicing on paper, not on a tablet.
A person that has only done digital art can only do digital art.
A person that has only done physical art can do physical art and can easily switch over to digital, all they have to do is learn how the software works.

Hey /beg/ I have a question, how they do such a neat transition between two similar colours?

crit please, ty (not a study, drawn from imagination)

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>>2968449
woops file didn't show up

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Does the perspective for these boxes look off for anyone ?

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Although it is a freestyle drawing, how can I make the face look less flat?

>>2968457
by knowing face the human face works and not guessing/symbol drawing

>>2968457
Stop symbol drawing and read up on how to construct a face.

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Fug I give up. Any crits?

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>>2968283
>learn to draw first
brutal.

>>2968288
dude, drop the digital art and get a piece of paper and a pencil
i seriously don't understand why the fuck people keep drawing with a mouse isntead of just a fucking sheet of paper

it's like "oh, i wanna learn how to climb mountains", then you walk into a mountain without any necessary equipment and obviously fail

>watch a proko video
>think "oh that looks simple"
>try it and keep fucking up for hours
god damn this guy makes everything look easy

>>2968513
He's just showing you the right way to do it. It's not easy for him either.

>>2968439
I hope you are right. I'm too poor to practice on anything except stolen office supplies.

Should I go through Fun with a Pencil or just skip it and go on to Drawing the Head and hands or Figure Drawing?

>>2968522
post some art and ask again.

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I'm trying to color a 2D girl, problem is I never understand how you need to deal with borders, like in pic related, am I supposed to color under tha border too or not? Do I need to go full autism and perfectly match the border instead?

>>2968522
Fun with pencil is serious business once you go past the have fun drawing cartoon heads part, shouldn't be skipped.

>>2968542
Just do whatever looks good. Sometimes it needs to be exact, sometimes it doesn't.

>>2968542
You know there is a thing called multiply, right?

>>2968549
Actually no, mind elaborating?

>>2968542
I don't understand the picture you posted.

>deal with borders, like in pic related, am I supposed to color under tha border too or not?
You mean like the flats? If you're going for an outlined anime/ cartoon style, why not just use the select tool and layers?
If you're going to overpaint those lines however, why would you need to perfectly color in anyway? Just use a different layer than your sketch and block in the colors.

>>2967643
still looks sorta flat, especially around the chin/neck where there isnt too much depth, but work on that in another drawing. good job

>>2968550
it makes the brush avoid outlines/black and appear behind it

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>>2968550
Layer properties. Select "Multiply" from the list of modes and draw with it.
Of course, you would have to choose various modes and opacities to get the best look.

>>2968573
>>2968578
Thanks

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>>2967280

>>2968387
Too much saturation. I don't think you understand that you need to desaturate your shadows and lights and saturate your midtones.I say this because her lips are burning our eyes out right now.

>>2968408
Good, keep practicing man, proud of ya. Maybe start some more contrast by deepening some of the shadows like right under her jaw and shadows inside the corners of her mouth.

When should I jump to digital? And how do I get used to not looking at where I am putting the strokes?

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i fucked up hard on these but i thought i might as well post them
the regular bean is way easier

>>2968656
Save up for a XP Pen 22HD or something. They're like 600 bucks but they're cheaper alternatives and the best part about those tablet screens is that you can actually see where you're drawing on the screen. You really don't need the extra features like tilt and touch, you can always work up to that later once you earn enough money. Some people get used to not looking at where you put your strokes but it still never the same experience.

>>2968232
Nothing wrong with pencils, I just have a hard time getting good values with mechanical pencils. Also thank you for preservation technique with charcoal.

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>>2967279
is this the correct way of practicing straight lines?
how will i develop correct muscle memory if i cant draw one straight lines? arent i just creating muscle memory for slight wavy lines like i have here? im trying to go slow, look slightly straighter if i go quickly

>>2968715
If you want to draw a straight line, use ruler. You don't have to make it a perfect straight line, it just needs to 'look' like a straight line

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>>2968318
>why cant i get this head right
-the nose looks like its wrapping around the face, (the "shadow" is not defined enough so that's why)
-eyes are a little lop-sided, the right eye is way too hi
-eyebrows where?
-there are no other discernible facial features atm, making it look eerily flat, especially comparison to the robe
-the ear is too small. the ear should always be between the bottom of your eyebrows and reach all the way down to your nose. grab some measuring tape and see for yourself, the ear is always the same size as the space between your nose and the top of your eye.

maybe remove the hairline for now and work on the face as if it were a bald person, and then work out your proportions.

>As a beginner myself, I strongly advice you to just pick up a pencil and paper
fucking bro tier advice mate.

>>2968715
You can use something like a ruler to help, or stabilizers if you're working digitally.
If you aren't familiar with using the movement of your entire arm instead of just the wrist, I found that very helpful. There's a Proko video that gives some examples but I'm having trouble finding it.

>>2968387
you know its actually pretty good, with the exception of the colours being absolutely abhorrent

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head practice,am i doing anything wrong?

>>2968116
gj jii!

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>>2968664
I made some notes. This helped me when I was stuck drawing boxes. Sorry for bad english. I hope it helps you.

>>2968780
Sweet, thanks.

>>2968780
>no perspective
why? arent you stuck drawing the same 3/4 pose?

>>2968802
the side of the box that is closest to you is too large which changes the direction the box is facing to be closer too 'horizontal across the screen' than perpendicular for a 3/4pose

>>2968802
I think he is advocating for as much simplification as possible, so stuff like vanishing points can be thrown out unless the overall composition needs them.

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trying to draw without touching the tablet with my hand

>>2967530

yeah stop symbol drawing and deconstruct into basic shapes better. like literally even if it's a rectangular prism for the nose, no eyes, a block for the forehead, a block for the chin, and a triangular prism for the top of his body. You shouldn't be drawing eyes in this exercise at all

>>2968824
>without touching the tablet with my hand

huh?

>>2968828

less of a drawing exercise than it is a jedi training exercise

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Bargue exercises

>>2968900
Have you read the book. It literally says in the book that if you dont work them large you are wasting your time. Go to kinkos. Blow them up to 18x24 and buy some newsprint. Then do them in real life. Anything you learn about shading on paper can then be transferred to digital. Stop wasting your time because muh digital.

>>2967979
shit

>>2968352
thanks man
drawing the jaw was the most difficult part since the right side of his face has very few landmarks to orient me. not surprised it's so off

>>2968393
rreeeeee

Looking to use my time off this summer to sit down and dedicate all of my time to drawing. Is there a definitive list of books or online tutorials that you would recommend following? I remember seeing a picture with what I thought looked like a good list of books, but a few of the replies to it called it a meme so I didn't save it.

>>2968318
why did you follow the nice value rules forthe robe but not for his skin? it looks so muddy and grey

>>2968715
if you go slower, you're more careful and wobbly
straight lines require confidence and fluidity, drawing from the wrist won't help imo, try from your elbow on a tablet for a long straight line

also if you want to just draw digitally forever then just use the ruler, no one's going to judge you except some autistic artist on here

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can you guys give me any critique on my album cover concept?
i wanted him to really slick and confident hence the expression,slicked back hair,gold letters, and sunglasses (even though it looks silly in the environment,maybe he tries too hard) but also give him a hidden sensuality symbolized by the the waves his hair makes, it also makes the piece more interesting imo
ignore the palette

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is this good?

>>2968477
Pls save me

>>2967502
retarded goku beethoven, I love it

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How does this look? Recently got a drawing monitor and digital is weird for me.

>>2968915
If you can draw, you can draw. Doesn't matter paper or digital.

>>2969045
learn to draw real proportions before you stylise

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>>2969045
Her anatomy is all over the place. It is forgivable if you drew from imagination and don't have a lot of experience drawing nekkid humans. It would be too much of a bother to list all of your fails, so here's a reference I have in my small reference folder. Compare and take note. Also take note that women generally don't have a bodybuilder's trapezius. Their shoulders are flatter.

Oh, and get out of your comfort zone and start learning how to draw arms.

>>2969074
Can you draw over and show where the ribs and pelvis are? Maybe even the whole skeleton.

>>2969068
this, learn the rules before you break em

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>>2967283
give it to me straight, doc - how bad is it?

>>2969079
Draw over what? The photo?

>>2969094
Yes.

>>2969004
guys got no chin

Any quick guides to shading flat colors in CSP?

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i draw mostly toon or semi-toon, i know his legs are too big, something else i should change? this is not a rabit/bee/moth, is a alien

>>2969074
>lso take note that women generally don't have a bodybuilder's trapezius.
body builder girls could.

girl traps are hot brother

>>2969099
Just grab a color and smack it in there

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>>2969095
Sumthin' liek zis, I think.

>>2969103
If they look like this, sure, I wouldn't mind them too.
http://danbooru.donmai.us/posts/2376412

>>2969099
Elaborate. I know quite a bit about shading in CSP.

>>2968250
>>2968214

shut the fuck up you old fuck.

Do you see what thread this is? beginner. What do beginners lines usually look like? chicken scratch. How can you limit the amount of chicken scratch, get smoother lines and ingrain good habits? telling them to draw with their shoulders. Many of these beginners don't even know how to hold a pencil and will probably be doing it the same as they did with writing.

and yeah bro i been a professional painter since art was a thing check out my work in the Sistine Chapel. dafuq

>>2969127
Tell me all there is you know about shading as well as picking colors

>>2969127
Just the general things of how you go about shading things that are colored.

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>>2969127
gave it a try too, it was quite fun actually.

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Yoooo
How do I make it not look like a man torso?

>>2969131
>>2969137
No, sorry, it is too fucking late here and I want to wake up early.

A quick description would be:
1) Watch at least the first video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9kQllLy_X4I&list=PLV2X3tgajVlFROS5fuIVKLGs78_fC4JTN&index=1
2) Pick basic colors / midtones depending on your own judgment. If you don't know whether your judgment for colors is good enough, ask others online.
3) Apply shadows on several separate layers using multiply and linear burn modes. Shadow colors (to use) are generally in the same area as the midtone, but you might need to apply grayscale shadows as well. Keep zooming out and checking whether the shadow you just applied looks alright. Each considerable light source must have at least one layer for the shadows it produces.
4) Use soft-edge shading and soft erasers with various hardness and sizes. Lesser sizes for harder shadows. Oil and watercolor brushes. For this I almost exclusively use the 塗り&なじませ ("Paint & Apply") brush, but basic oil brush is sometimes better for harder shadows (or might be the only choice, depending on your style).
5) Use a grayscale layer set to Saturation mode above all other layers to check your values. They must be consistent. (What I mean is, like, you've got a girl who lifts her black skirt to uncover her beautiful legs. The light falls from above, and there is a same-value shadow over both the underside of the skirt and her legs. So you use a gray shadow to shade the underside of her skirt and you use a skintone shadow to shade her legs. Then, using this layer, you check whether these two shadows have the same value. Smth like that.)
6) If you wanna make realistic skin/meat (different tones and shit), make a copy of the basic skin layer and apply your tones directly on that layer in blending mode.
7) Here's an useful link as well, though I haven't read it yet:
http://www.floobynooby.com/ICG/artvalues.html

If you wanna go hard mode, you can do everything on a single layer with oil.

>>2969150
Thanks friend. Sleep tight.

>>2969130
i disagree, there is no advantage of drawing using the shoulder if youre drawing smaller than a 5 cm strokes. you can use the tips of your little finger and ring finger as support if youre drawing longer strokes as well

>>2967279
Should I make a blog? I've seen some /beg/ artists have some but I think they've grasped the fundamentals better than me so it would make sense for them

>>2969163
It makes sense only if your art has at least several fans already.

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>>2969143
Feminine abs usually don't protrude as far as in your drawing.

>>2969164
Oh ok I guess that is not an option then

>>2969142
i learned a few things about the skeleton doing this, turns out this is quite useful if you want to learn anatomy. another layer with muscles and youll learn even more. try it!

>>2969142
Now put on the muscles.

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>>2967281

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so i´ve been thinking about drawing my own tattoo, any tips for getting good with tribals?
If these turn out to be fun, i might tattoo someone else in the future

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>>2969172
wow, that was harder than i expected, had to look at references a lot. came out a bit sketchy, a good exercise none the less

>>2969201
i'll tell you now
stop what you are doing immedially

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Tried fixing the abs, fixed the arm a bit too.

>>2969219
one thing i noticed was that it wasnt always the outer most layer of muscles that determined the shape, sometimes inner muscles had an infuence. and these muscles slide over eachother so they are not always in the same place with respect to each other. making it so much harder to master anatomy drawing

>>2969219
jfc that image is huge

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>>2969228
oops

>>2969224
looks like a male torso.

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pls no bully. I just do this for fun in my spare time

>>2969237
That's what I said in my first post, but no one wants to help with that.

test

>>2969240
separate the breast with more than one line, make the shoulder less muscular, remove the protruding ribcage

>>2969238
pretty good man, keep at it

>>2969238
>fun
unironically end yourself my dude

>>2969267
why?

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whenever I try and study it looks nothing like the image. how do I become a photocopier?

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Trimmed the rib cage and waist a bit.
Tried fixing the breasts. (I want to make them look softer without making them much bigger)
I'm not sure how to trim the shoulders down without completely breaking them.

Torso still looks manly, I think its the shoulders.

More critiques are welcome.

new bread when?

>>2969279
shut thef UCK up this godawful thread is only on page 2

>>2969275
>>2969275
>>2969275

>>2969275
>>2969275
>>2969275

>>2969275
>>2969275
>>2969275

>>2969283
I didn't realize you had such an attitude.

>>2969271
turn that shit upside down

these look great to me though

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How can I draw people facing straight? I realized I always draw them at an angle, and I'm trying to break this habit, and it looks weird as shit.

This is my current attempt. I'm trying to use the reference things I saw used by Loomis, along with trying to use up more of my page, which I feel contributed to the weird look. The hips below look fine (to me, but I'm the beginner here) but past that, it looks weird, especially the crotch and waist area. The arm is too long as well.

I used a ruler to keep the main body proportioned (both the body and thighs are around 5cm, with the calves being around 4.) but it still looks off. Pls help

>>2969274
The breasts look like they are being pushed together by a bra - there shouldn't be any top cleavage from that pose. The left breast would drop a bit toward the armpit while the right one would either be pushed by the right arm to the center - in which case the nipple should be closer to us, or it would also be further from the center. Also, the neck looks a bit too thick to fit the style, or the trapeze muscles, shoulders and arms are too thin in case you're going for realistic body proportions

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henlo
crit pl0x

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Thoughts? what I did good/bad?