/beg/ - THE BEGINNER THREAD

Too many dudes to be desu.

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Dairy product sketches.

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Repost from old threas. 1/2

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>>2928038

>>2928038
In case you missed my answer, >>2928037.

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ugu~

>>2928030
i know who you are
dont think you can hide from me

>>2928030
These are really cute desu~

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>>2928040
Thanks man, yeah, the teeth are misaligned desu I just rushed them because I'm really impatient.

>The point where the neck connects to the skull is not that far back, man.

It is, but it looks that way in the reference, although I didn't really measure that part when I was drawing it so it could be off as well.

Why don't you post your skulls? I'd love to see them. I'm going to bed now, but I'll reply tomorrow when I get the chance.

>>2928077
This graphical user interface is really odd. I might be too arrogant to understand what operating system you're using, here. Could you tell us?

>>2928090
Never used Linux?

>>2928093
Oh! No I haven't; I had no idea what it looked like, but perhaps if it looks like this I'll start using it

>>2928097
Well, if you are serious, be sure to do some research, 'Linux' is kind of a global term for a lot of operating systems working on the same base to put it simply.

Anyway, it's not difficult to install or anything, look up Ubuntu or Linux Mint and see if you can manage, anyone just a little tech-savvy can manage.

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how's this?

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>>2928015
Ref: https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/6c/fb/51/6cfb51dab75e16b0fcb1e87d548e7f5f.jpg

Literally sitting like a monkey in my bed in a hotelroom. I usually only / mostly draw digitally so just using pencils is really fucking weird to me.( Bye bye comfort zone) I noticed that I fucked up the face badly so I redrew it smaller. Though I'm on a shitty business trip I wanted to draw SOMETHING.

Always happy to receive feedback if you have any lying around.

>>2928104
Good stuff for a beginner.

>>2928104
Though at least not stiff you are missing many basic ideas how anatomy and a body works. I get it it's anime - still your character seems to consist mostly of rubber.

I'd suggest you find a few poses of models you find interesting and try to draw these. Pay close attention to the anatomy - how does an arm conect to the shoulder - if the models places her leg in a specific way how does the hip changes in regard to that? Or stand before a mirror and pose - recognize how the body works.

At this early beginner stage you should really work with references to train your eye and start to expand your mental posr gallery.

I hope this helpes. If you check put the FAQ/sticky there are some links with help regarding anatomy.

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I'm lovin' the T Swift, OP.

>>2928104
How old are you.

>>2928126
why...?

>>2928129
It says a lot about someone.

>>2928112
I made other ones but they're too horrendous to post here
I'll take note of this btw thanks for the feedback

>>2928123
Glad you like it! I'll be trying to improve it tomorrow.

>>2926471
>>2926472
Thanks both for the critique, it's really appreciated. I kept symbol-drawing in mind while I made that, but it seems I still went and did it.

>>2928130
i don't know if my age will impact on something but anyway i'm 19

>>2928141
he was implying that you draw like a 5 year old

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>>2928104
made your girl better

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what you guys think
and dont quote the pixel art thread, these niggers never answer shit

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Trying to make something with peridot,
Why when I try to create a pose starting from the base everything looks like shit?
Where do I can start? Any guide or something?

>>2928162
is this a joke?

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>>2928187
yes

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>>2928168
Because pixel art is for faggots.

>>2928185
>Where do I can start? Any guide or something?
Like the sticky?

>>2928162
10/10 would improve again.

Also fuck yeah Lain a cute.

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All this practice and im still shit

>>2928215
keep fighting, anon-kun!

>>2928215
It's because you draw without thinking "how can I get better?"

It's the same thing people with thousands of games under their belt bitch about. "I've played one million games of StarCraft and I'm still Gold."

Yeah, because you played one million games without trying to get better.

Show us your art and we'll tell you what you need to work on next.

>>2928220
its just a meme bro

>>2928215
If you knew how much high level artists have practiced to get to where they are you wouldn't feel so entitled to talent this early in your training.

>>2928168
good enough

>>2928104
No fundamentals.

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opinions?

>>2928229
Okay how much did they train before succumbing?

>>2928215
>practicing few hours a day
>sketchbook is already full
>only been 2 weeks
Feels good

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Any advice ?

>>2928282
Any progress?

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>>2928016
Is this any better? I structured it first but I was told to do boxes although I don't know how that's different.

>>2928285
My gestures and anatomy is looking much better

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>>2928282
I have to study for finals, and I feel guilty whenever I spend time drawing. I never want to draw more, than when I should be doing something else.

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>>2928277
Pic related.

>>2928287
>although I don't know how that's different
That's because you're still symbol drawing.

>>2928297
Yes, insomnia is cured the moment you realize you have to wake up in an hour.

But you gotta push on, anon.

>>2928303
Can someone give me the slightest inkling on how to stop symbol drawing?

>>2928310
It's hard, anon.

You have to first understand objects in 3D space. How they turn; how they rotate up and down, etc.

Then you have to practice each and every body party individually and then collectively from every different angle.

You're definitely doing better than most people with a 12-year-old's level of drawing, which is seriously most people over 12 years old.

But you really need to focus more on learning mannequinization and proportions.

Draw some more still life and some more life.

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>>2928047
And today's attempt.

>>2928277
could be worse

>>2928313
how terrifying

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I've set hour targets for myself as goals each month.

April = 75 hours
May = 100 hours
June = 125 hours
July = 150 hours

This way, I'm more flexible with how much I practice each day, but I can still make sure I hit my target practice length by the end of the month.

250 hours a month is the dream. Not sure when I will be able to handle that, though.

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>>2928312
This look any better? Feels like I'm bashing my head against a wall.

>>2928326
You're planning to draw for 8+ hours/day 7 days/week?

Good luck, buddy.

>>2928327
Dude, just look at the heads. What do you think?

It's not going to come instantly. Keep going. Also squiggle penis.

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>>2928015
How do you know when to quit?

>>2928331
When after a year practicing atleast 2hours daily and you're still bad. Thats when you quit

I was wondering, is it worth getting into abstract art?

>>2928333
well shit...

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>>2928334

>>2928333
Nah you shouldn't quit if you like art. Quit the approach you are doing if you are stuck as terrible. Everyone can get good at art, but you need to actually learn it in an intelligent way.

>>2928338
>>2928333
>>2928331
The most important thing is to enjoy the process

t. anon who still sucks

>>2928319
You should be terrified. If you gaze into her eyes long enough she consumes your soul.

>>2928334
All art we do is abstract.

>>2928280
They didn't, that's why they're good.

>>2928284

Post reference for red line

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Rate this run animation

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>>2928284
>>2928360
Reference

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>>2928023

>>2928364
It's your construction. I'm too lazy to redline you, maybe someone else will.

But you can tell you drew the face as if it were looking forward. But the outline as if it were 3/4th view.

>>2928362
Run like that in real life without moving your torso (or pelvis for that matter) and see how uncomfortable it is.

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>>2928331
I can't stop but it hurts. ;-;

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>>2928376

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>>2928016

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>>2928404

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Still lives are more fun when you prepare them yourselves.

>>2928424
Is that top apple against the fruits and the wall? How is it in that position?

>>2928431
It is balanced that way yes. Wanted some variety in fruit position.

>>2928215
it's common for beginners to think they work hard. just power through.
you really don't want to know what it takes to be artstation tier.
Do your best each present moment. I believe in you.

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>>2928313
Better?

>>2928451
until you read the sticky, no

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>>2928398
I tried to do a paintover

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mainly from imagination, but i did reference myself for the eyes on the portrait

i'm >>2928404

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>>2928508
always forget to resize...

so i'm here taking a break my perspective studies. i get it, but i'm on 2-point and it feels like a lot to take in. give me some direction, lads. how do i apply my learnings when i'm not looking at scary technical pics of complex grids?

>>2928533
You don't, the grids are for problem solving. If somthing looks right you dont bother, if somthing doesn't look right, you bust out the grid lines and start problem solving t'ill it look sright.

>>2928545
i might have worded that poorly. i meant how to practice for periods when i'm not studying from a book. what do i draw?

>>2928533
I think people who don't understand how to apply perspective don't watch enough movies or look at life as much as they should. Every shot in a movie typically has good composition. Life has all the general point perspectives that you could apply to.

>>2928549
Ah, yeah I misunderstood, you were fine.

Just draw what you want, literally anything. When you're not grinding do stuff for fun. Easier said than done I know, I personally go into a mild depression in that time between studies because I feel like I'm to incompetant to make anything worthwhile on my own, but nothing to it but to do it.

>>2928552
i was actually big into film up until a couple years ago. maybe i can use stills from """intellectual""" criterion films and comics/manga i have lying around for inspiration. thanks, anon!

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>>2928364

Very hard image to study btw. Not a lot of detail and shading to work off of.

>>2928287
The hands are still too small and the neck as well. But generally you seem to grasp the idea of anatomy. Keep on going into that direction a bit longer and you'll see satisfying results soon. But really train yourself to look closely at what you are drawing. Like look - look back to your paper and think about what you would dtaw next - look again - then draw. It's tedious but eventually your eyes will be trained enough to see what's really there.

>>2928284
Can't redline right now but: You generally drew all the features okay - but in the wrong spots. Measure from the inner corner if the eye to the outer bottom nose on the reference and your drawing. How does the nose align with the ear? What relstion does the mouth corner has to the eyes? Really look closely at those relations and you'll see most mistakes yourself.

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>>2928077
A lot of time has passed since I drew any skulls. I only did about two dozen at the end of my first month to understand how head works.

>>2928599
(To be clear, it's a skull I drew at the end of my first month.)

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I haven't had time to just draw in like a month (me making excuses for myself)

drawing women with animu animal crossing heads

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>>2928610
wow, I just fucking did that, I'm actually sorry

>>2928591
>>2928598
Thanks !

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Gonnna post this and the other thing that I made

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>>2928645

>>2928645
Already replied to you in the thread you made. Great that you found this place hope others can also give you advice!

>>2928509
This is learning material - you are doing exercises - that's great! Keep on with these - anatomy and forms. The heads are far too big and half of the hand is not in perspective - just keep on with the exercises.

>>2928549
Why did you start drawing? This is the time to draw these things!

>>2928613
You really need to : Look at a skeleton. Look at naked people. Look at yourself - move and pose in front of a mirror. Just try to imitate the pose you drew and look carefully how your arm moves - your hip tilts. How big is your head compared to your shoulders? How long are your legs?

Then draw from reference. And draw slowly. You should see a major difference in outcome immediately.

Then you go to the stick/FAQ download the Loomis book, or buy Michael Hampton book or watever artist you like and start to read up on anatomy. You can also watch Villpu videos on youtube.

I hope this helps - creep on lil furry - creep on.

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What do you think? I'm very proud of it.

>>2928711
no animé girls, it's fucking trash

>>2928711
Scary yet calm. Reminds me of being stuck in the middle of the ocean on a cloudy day.

>>2928703
thanks, I get what you mean about the arm positioning and the hips needing to be tilted. As for the head thing, I started the drawing from the head because it was just going to be a bust, but then I tacked on a body, so that clearly worked out well. thanks again for the advice though

>>2928713
heh hue heh

>>2928711

You're proud of something you found on the front page of reddit. Nice meme.

>>2928711
Just like the other anon said, it feels calm but scary, great work, would hang on my house

i want to fucking die

>>2928780
Perspective on the bowl looks a little wonky.

How many hours do you guys practice every day

>>2928790
10 hours

>>2928790
2-6

>>2928790
I draw up to 15 hours a day (when my work allows it) - but only 1-2 are direct learning.

>>2928790
only about 1 right now because I'm distracted by vidya games

>>2928790
about 5

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>>2928022
>>2928023

I can't draw lips but what do you guys think?

>>2928773
No. Live. I want to taste your suffering a bit more.

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I don't understand figure drawing.
Am I doing it right?
Should I use a narrower tip?

They say just have fun with but I can't. What am I missing?

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>>2928826

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>>2928838
well birds are fun

>>2928790
I only draw a few times a month when i remember drawing is one of the things i can kind of do.
I get noticeably better each time and id probably be an amazing artist if i could remember to draw but the days keep going by without me noticing.

>>2928858
Post your progress and we'll judge whether you are really improving or it is your wishful thinking.

>>2928858
Same here
(I'm this guy>>2928645)>>2928860

>>2928860
I'll get back to you because my my sketchbook has been missing for weeks.

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>>2928826
Figure/gesture drawing is a hard one for me too broski, despite the fact I've actually done a class partially on it. Time to shell out some shekels for another I suppose.

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I'm back and I'm going to post this now so that I can get to drawing something else that wasn't deliberate. There's a composition I really want to make in spite of my skill level, and I feel I'll be sorry if I don't do it soon. I also need to work on my website; it's looking pretty terrible

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Just a cast drawing.

>>2928818
Even Loomis didn't draw the full lips. If you are pnly drawing linework it's not necessary to draw everything - just give an idea how ot bends and changes in relation to the most.

Don't forget: stretched mouth =thin lips! Screaming, yawning, smiling a bright broad smile = small lips. Upper lip is generally smaller than the upper lip - man have thiner lips than woman.

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>>2928860
I couldn't find my newest sketchbook so this is over a year old.
These are about 5 drawings apart, not my best drawings but its what i have on hand.

>>2928873
Your environments are still great but the faces are still crooked. You should really use references for the faces.

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>get back into drawing after a full month procrastinating
>start drawing
>lose interest 1 hour in
>go back to watching my anime
Help

>>2928876
You drew whatou soon - you are fighting the symbolism - you didn't win yet but you are fighting.

Besides that you need to watch out for the whole drawing more - the aspects of the face are drawn okay but their relation to each other is rather wonky.

>>2928886
"You drew what you saw"... sorry stupid mobile ....

>>2928884
Don't pressure yourself. If you don't want to be a professional just relax and enjoy drawing.

>>2928884
What are you drawing?

>>2928891
I really want to be a professional though, but I never can seem to enjoy drawing since im always practicing
>>2928892
Realism mainly, when I got into drawing I just wanted to draw anime but I dropped that

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Getting better:)

>>2928893
Well show us what you got. But if you don't enjoy it anymore it's not for you.

>>2928897
Its embarassing showing other people my drawings

>>2928897
>But if you don't enjoy it anymore it's not for you
stop masturbating
go lift weights
take cold showers
dont come back to /beg/ until you've been doing that for at least 4 months

>>2928886
Yeah, I'm just getting started, even though I am drawing seriously since a year now. That's why I just do line drawings. I want to get rid of these weird disproportions before I attempt value. I agree with your criticism 100%, I still can't see the big picture. The ear is horribly small. The drawing may appear even more distorted though, because I was drawing from a really low eye level.

>>2928902
>stop mastrubating
enjoy testiclecancer
>lift weights
enjoy shorter lifespan
>take cold shower
enjoy rheumatic disorders

>>2928870
That Pepe surely is drawn poorly.

>>2928873
Well, you've already got an exhaustive reply, so no beginner dailycrit for you. :P And you SHOULD give in to your artistical whims if you want to ever make it without losing interest partway. Just remember to study as well.
I, for one, feel like I'm already getting tired because I worry about my crappy drawing skills too much and spend an unforgivable fucking lot of time meditating over drawing perfect lines that I will ultimately cover with paint anyway. In the end I continue to fail the deadlines I set myself and end up more frustrated. I need to find some way to make this stage faster and less frustrating. Maybe I should simply paint my qt animoo girls like I paint background, without any preparation. Maybe I should try a different approach to lineart and draw simpler things with a faux pencil brush. Maybe I should just try everything and see what strikes a chord within me.

>>2928880
The only improvement I see here is in linework. Other than that, the second version lost some appeal. And don't draw square-ish eyes, they're a bad design choice, as some might still remember. Your rendering and colors... well, not that bad for a complete beginner, but there is certainly a lot to improve.

>bought a body-kun
>came in yesterday through the mail
>cant draw with it because stuff like shoulders and other body parts can't move
Literal useless piece of garbage, why do peolpe even buy this shit when its so useless to draw with

>>2928930
To reference obviously

>>2928932
Its useless as a reference, gesture drawing from mind helps 100times more than this

>>2928790
.5 with like a 2 week break every couple months

>>2928790
2 of doodling, i'm never gonna make it

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>>2928924
>excuses to not do any of the above

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I have no idea why I did this...
Any tips?

>>2928998
you drew darker edges on the side of the four prongs, but not on the actual handle of the fork. the head of the fork has depth but not the rest of it. I understand that the handle sort of bevels out, but it looks way too flat right now
also the cast shadow on the mid section of the fork should be more outward, because its higher off the ground.
think about which parts of the fork are touching the ground and which are highest off the ground.

otherwise, this looks really cool, never heard of people practicing their silverware paintings

>>2928998
Are you that same guy who painted a cool background of a snowy mountain road?

Well, you can make the edge of this FORK's handle more defined (use a darker color) where it's closer to the viewer. And the perspective looks weird somehow. It's like the fork is bent sideways half way to its neck. I'm not sure a natural vertical bend looks like that.

>>2928924
I'm female anyway so not so afraid of testicular cancer... though I still don't get wtf this other person ment.

I think not recommending a job you don't like is pretty reasonable.

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>>2928016

Jeez im bad

>>2929016
wtf?

>>2929011
I think it's my subconscious telling me I need to work on light.
Thanks for the tips.
I thought the perspective was a bit shaky, I know it's my weak spot.

>>2929012
You've caught me.
What gave me away? The bad perspective?
I'll try the add contrast. Not sure if I can fix the angle.

>>2929017
was drawing and then i stop and think
>damn what about connie from SU

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>>2928415
Another paintover, trying a new way of doing it.

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blz r8

>>2929023
No, it's just that you always claim to have no idea what are you doing. :) I have been granted with an exceptionally good memory and it's even more hard to forget someone I spent so much effort helping, lol.
By the way, I would still like to see the finished version of that mountain road.

>>2929025
I like the look of texture at and near the shiny parts, but your lighting doesn't make a lot of sense.

>>2929033
I can't thank you enough for helping me out back then! I will finish that mountain road for you soon, I kind of left it where it was to do other things.
I just can't seem to focus on things properly.

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>>2929023
>>2929033
P. S. This one might help you a bit, but I'm not sure I managed to distort the image enough to get a perfect vertical view.

Does anyone have that image of recommend books?

>>2929025
Thislooks so bad anon, look at your previous drawing you posted and see how dark and light work there. You totally botched it this time

>>2929013
>I'm female
theres your problem

>>2929039
Its dynamic perspective, works alot different

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Some kind anon recommended me Michael Hampton's book on figure drawing.
This is what I have so far. The Thinker I did using a photo of the statue as reference, the others were made from imagination.

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Why is Murata so fucking good, bros?

One of the few Japanese manga/anime artists I actually really like.

>>2929025
The previous one is more aesthetically pleasing.

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>>2928022
i dont know what am i doing wrong, i use Loomis, and i still get way off, after the first attempt i use photoshop to see what was lacking, but i just dont know what am i doing wrong

>>2929071
You start to get the idea, but you need to pay more attention to the skeleton and the landmarks. Go back to the landmarks chapter.Your anatomy is all over the place.

>>2929060
>>2929075
That is a fact, it's a shame nobody can help share -why- that's the case or how to fix it though.

>>2929080
Your measurements are wrong. Ears too small - moth too small. The mouth corners end in the middle of the eye ( so to speak) Nose Eye and ears have a heavy relation to each other.

Go back to the chapter where those things are explained.

>>2929093
I told you to look at your previous picture and see how your doing dark and light tones there. In your new drawing you fucked up lighting, making it a weird drawing

>>2929090
Haven't made it so far in. In fact, it's the next chapter. Is it better to read it all at once, or read and draw chapter by chapter?

hair is impossible to draw
why couldn't we all just be born bald

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>>2928020

>>2929133
It's possible... it's just that it's thousand times easier to make it stylized or make it look bad, and it's nigh impossible to draw realistic hair properly without a custom brush. And I speak from experience.

>>2929139
Pay more attention to his chin and his right eyebrow. Render looks pretty good, but values still require some work.

>>2929133
Wait. Most of us ARE born bald, aren't we?

>>2929126
I'd say read it all at once - just get a general idea how the book works. Then start working woth the chapters.

I often pick it up nowadays when I spontaniously forget how a knee works. I still really like the book.

>>2929139
Looks okay bit he's tilting his head while your face goes further straight down making his chin area run away. It's digital mirror it and you'll see what I mean. Try to plan your painting better and where you need to place the landmarks of the face in relation to each other.

I was thinking, how do you you render a picture that has very bright lighting with almost no shadows?

>>2929158
Make the shadows very light almost invisible.

If it's not a direct light source but a bright environment all around then treat the shadows like ambient occlusion (look it up if you don't know) Basically shadows form at edges, just make them light and sparse

Is it possible do draw detailed perspective freehand? Should I stop using the ruler and get used to doing it freehand?

>>2929166
A million times yes

>>2928711

Love it anon

>>2929158
AFAIK, contrast and hardness of the shadows increases with the brightness of the light source. So a picture with a brightest light source will be either black and white or grayscale (to show how much the intensity of light blinds the viewer).

>>2929166
If you mean "correctly and convincingly at all times", then no, it is not possible (if you want to draw something that consists of straight lines). However, it is strongly recommended to try to git bitter with it freehand.

>>2929039
Should I try setting up composition vertically and then rotate it down?

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>>2929179
>not possible
not gonna make it

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>>2929183
No, it's definitely a bad idea since you're drawing a 2d picture, not making a 3d model.
And it doesn't matter which way I distorted the picture to get something close to a direct view from above. I could just as well distort it horizontally. If you make a perspective grid, you don't even need to distort the picture, and you'd get much more accurate guidelines. However, it's nigh impossible to construct a correct grid when all shapes present on the picture are curvy and irregular. Since I didn't see the original fork, I can only guess. Let's try to rotate or distort it a little to see if it looks better.

P. S. After looking at one of my own, I think that yours has teeth of different length.

Question: should I be constructing faces when all I'm doing is drawing from pictures? I see some artists who are able to freehand a resemblance entirely on their own.

Is construction only for making a face without a reference?

>>2929313
I prefer constracting them - teaches you more and most ppl eventually want to draw without refs I assume.

>>2928334
If you want to make stuff that is not abstract art, no.

>>2929315
Alright. If you don't mind, a second question; when I look at Proko's videos on constructing heads, he's always very precise as to where the eyes and such are located. But human heads don't work like that; they aren't rigid.

How am I suppose to adjust my construction from person to person, or do I just not do it?

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crit please

>>2929205
Point taken.
I swear I feel like you're one of two guys keeping these threads alive.

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>>2929320
Generally: Mark the generals. And then start to look carefully and measure: This person's nose is a good bit shorter/longer than the ideal one. So I change it according to that. That Person has a suprising small mouth. Oh in relation the nose is really narrow - need to keep that in mind. So the eyes might be closer to each other. Yes they are! ...

Etc.... it's good to have a basis and then change things according to the actual person you are drawing.

On a personal note: Besides I've been drawing too tough I'm stuck in a shitty hotel. Also always happy to be critiqued. I didn't use refs on purpose since I still trying to construct ppl out of forms and all... potrait was mostly value training.

>>2929333
i know its style but no-ones mouth is that big or nose that small

also nice trips but check these

>>2929333
Nose and ear are really freaking small. The nose could be style but the ear is just too much. Also makes the cheeks really thin and small.

Additionally nose and eyes should be shaped be the immense grin. The mouth muscles push the other up/to the side leading to bigger nostrils and smaller eyes.

Immitate this face in the mirror and see how your face changes depending on the grimace you are making.

>>2929364
Thank you very much. It's nice to get some actual advice on /ic/

>>2929340
Thanks, heh. I simply enjoy trying to help others when I can, and these threads are just another source of this drug.
Whom you consider to be the other though? OP?

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are you a bad enough to to try and draw this?

>>2929376
https://youtu.be/hakaoQ9L1RM

This is just a short snipped of the actual lesson - but I think it really gets my point across how knowing the basics will help you with irregular faces.

No problem glad I could help!

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Finished, my paintings always end up looking flat, and i want to develop a more advanced shading style.

>>2929402
the cats head isnt 3d, draw an oval for it or something.
the guitar is too big for the perspective. he isnt pointing at anything. set the mood with the body language, that cat isnt turned away enough

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>>2929391
I forgot my eraser and my ruler... stuck in my stupid hotel room... so I know I fucked up the lil brick walls bit I can't erase it.

Now you draw it...

>>2929419
>run out of paper
>draw on the walls of the building you're staying in
>go to sleep
>wake up next day to see "needs more loomis" written below your work

>>2929402
Nothing in this room is in the right perspective. So everything looks flat and lacks volume. I wouldn't think so much about shading and such right now. You need to concentrate on learning and understanding perspective. How does a cube an oval or any other shape change depending on it's position in a room.

I'd say check out the first 8 lessons of drawabox.com and try again. Or find other tutorials on form and perspective. You can also check out /ic/s sticky or FAQ for more tutorials and learning materials.

>>2929426
Haha... I mean I do have my copics with me... but I guess my boss will be pretty pissed when I start to vandalize the hotel room like a renaissance masterclass rockstar.

Man now I want an /ic/ shirt collection with stupid /ic/ memes - Needs more Loomis - read the sticky - everyone can pretend to be a woman and sell hardcore furry porn ( that's great for a t-shirt, really catchy)

>>2929428
Thanks, I will definitely check that out.

>>2928924
None of these are true.

I mean, just flat out none of them.

>>2928924
why are you so fragile?

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couple gestures I did. I'm getting better at doing full body copies of images in the threads, but I've rarely drawn from life, and I think this is a better way to gain the confidence to do that

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Need a redline

No idea wtf I'm doing anymore

>>2929619
I see what you're doing.

>>2929619
werent you working on this like 6 months ago?

>>2928893
You can't be a professional if you don't act like one.

I see you want to create awesome images, BUT, you don't want to put in any of the time learning how to get there. You want to just grab a pen or whatever and just watch it squirt out. You don't want to fill notebooks with pictures of body parts, don't want to draw circles, or shade in wine glasses or draw beer barrels or practice blending shades of brown you have no interest in. You just want to do your final product and ONLY your final product.

I do to. Thing is, I will probably succeed where you will fail.

Because I know that you have to improve to be professional, and you don't. So whatever. Have fun jumping straight into masterpieces and then quitting once you paint the sketch and leave the backgrounds blank.

Unless you can afford PS6 and a Cintiq, you're gonna have to, work for it.

>tfw only one eye so can't see perspective

guess I should just give up

>>2929402
Shouldn't you just work on the basics of drawing before you begin working on painting?

The other anons haven't said it because they're liberals trying to be "supportive" but your drawing is absolutely shit.

It's not your "style." You just suck. Instead of painting your shit to completion, you should learn fundamentals and make good drawings first.

Like other anons have told you repeatedly, your shit is out of perspective and your proportions are way off. This is a lack of fundamentals. Get your shit together, anon.

>>2929619
Is this a meme? Why do I have this feeling of familiarity with this?

>>2929640
A guy I worked with lost an eye in Iraq. It was hilarious watching him try to do simple things like throw darts.

He can draw better than I can.

>>2929640
if you couldn't see perspective, that means you see the world as flat and might as well be blind.

>>2928102
Other nix user here:
What do you use to manage your wacom/tablet settings?
So far I've made due with xsetwacom but I see bunches of people talking about having a gui and stuff in the system input settings.
I'm on lubuntu with a cth-470, I think either my tablet doesn't isn't supported by the gui (too old?) or something is missing/wrong in the environment.

>>2929640
? If anything, having one eye would make you way better at seeing perspective.

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Most guys on /ic/ are leagues ahead of me, but that's mainly my fault for neglecting to learn the fundamentals for 10 YEARS!

I wish someone told me to actually pick up and art book to help me improve more. instead of doing basic doodles for years!

>>2929145
>>2929149
Thanks.

>>2929641
What fundementals exactly do I need to study? Ive read all the Andrew Loomis books more than once, Ive bought most of the books you guys tell me to read and read them, done their practices. Tell me exactly what I need to do.

>>2929675
pretty cute

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Is it worth it? Should I throw away even more money and go for something with a built-in screen?

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>>2929683
Thank you, but i really need to practice more to make more than JUST cute stuff.

Anyone can draw cute...

>>2929679
Bruh, I already told you.

Perspective and proportions.

>>2929686
Show me what you're drawing already.

This was made with a 2011 Wacom Bamboo.

If you're better than this, I'd say go for it. Otherwise I'd say get a Wacom Bamboo and learn to draw.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJIjti5tzBw

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>tfw no gf

>>2929690
>all those problems with perspective

>>2929072
Takehiko Inoue is also amazing. Imo better.
Dunno if you've seen his work.

>>2929688
Looking good!

The further part of the jaw on the bottom left skull has no depth though.

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>>2929072
I like Katsuya Terada

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going to have a few days free next week, what should i study to get better?

>>2929704
Normal human sexual fetishes.

>>2929704
stoic philosophy and 8chslashnofap

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>>2929704
Killing yourself.

>>2928015
is there a website where i can practice drawing noses

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>>2928015
Thoughts?

>>2929711
So much space between the base of the nose/mouth/chin and skull.

>>2929704
memes aside.
Is hard to tell what do should, the anatomy seems too stylized, and cant say anything about the rendering while imcomplete.

If thats supposed to turn me on, I would say you should study dynamism fampai, its also very dry and nothing going on.

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>>2929719
Yeah I was trying to copy this picture from a anatomy book, I don't know if I did it right so far

>>2929727
Pretty good anon, but check the angle of the chin and jawbone. Also the cheekbones and eye sockets need a little work.

Also the proportions with the back of the skull. Measure it and measure yours. Document the ratios. Then fix it and post it again.

>>2929730
Thanks! I'll make sure to fixes my mistakes and updates soon!

>>2929727
Which book is that?

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>>2929773
This one

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uncensored: http://www.deviantart.com/art/Val-672885969

>>2929692
Draw your waifu and post.

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delightfully plump hopefully

>>2928876
>>2928915
Do some bargues.

>look at the twitch "creative" streams
>mostly girls coloring pictures like children with cameras zoomed in on their cleavage
>rest are deviantart tier manlets badly doodling ponies

Whew

>>2928404
>>2928509
these are looking good anon. one thing I'd point out is that the features on the shaded face are overly simplified, especially the eyes, they look almost cartoony. make sure that you also practice your realism too.

>>2928884
happens to me all the time anon. after breaks, you should just ease yourself into it. draw something for fun, just doodle at first before going back to the lessons.

make sure you at least give yourself an hour. an hour at least is better than nothing.

>>2929867
That's the most bullshit post I've ever seen of the twitch's creative stream.

hi beginner thread

what do you prefer to use for posting your artwork online? instagram, deviantart, tumblr?

just curious. i only have experience with instagram

>>2929890
tumblr because I like to blog about my progress and shiet.

>>2929892
What's your tumblr?

>>2929895
it's merged with my personal blog so I'm not gonna post it. but when i get better i'll make an art only blog and link it here

i will make anime real so we won't have to draw anymore

>>2929902
You said that months ago, I'm still waiting.

>>2929892
are you able to get a decent following?

>>2929909
Not really for art, since I don't tag my drawings. They still get found once in a while though.

There do seem to be a lot of good artists who use tumblr basically as their main website.

>>2929929
Who would you consider good artists that use tumblr?

>>2929931
dave rapoza has one, and that guy who worked on gw2.

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need to get better at my painting and rendering here's a study.
I know i dun goofed on the hands and didn't quite capture the face or the angle right but what do you see?

>>2929867
A small population of the people under 5 viewers are the only ones with some sort of self-awareness about getting good and have somewhat valuable streams. It's nice to chat with some of them once in a while. Honestly they're the only ones who deserve viewers and not these bullshitters who do fuck all. But then again the "real" artists would be on picarto or something.

>>2929949
Painting and rendering is the least of your concerns right now. Read the sticky, do some dodson or vilppu or even loomis.

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>>2929949
Almost every single measurement is off somehow. Angle of the hip down to the ass, distance between bottom of shirt to top of panties and most notably the negative space formed between the inside of her arm and her back. And that isn't even the half of it.

I understand this is "painting" practice (and practice is good) but it's all symbol drawn. Without a good underlying sketch (at this stage in your art life. your process may change in the future when you get better) the painting will never be good. I recommend you read Keys to Drawing (or right side if you're into that) or at the very least watch/read something regarding accuracy and focus on getting measurements right before polishing a turd.

>>2929949
Honestly, you still need to work on accuracy and getting rid of your symbol drawing before you bother painting and rendering. There's not really much point in studying those if you aren't accurately drawing what you're seeing.

>>2929863
Is that a dick

What do I draw, alongside all the stuff the courses are telling me, to keep me interested in art?

How do I not get depressed when it doesn't come out as good as I want it to?

>>2929960
1- I usually draw stuff I'm into.
Like, "Oh, I'm interested in warframe again, I'll visit the warframe general and draw stuff there" or "Oh I want to make someone happy today, I'll go to /trash/ and draw someone /oc/ or content related to whatever general", etc.
2-Dont be a fgt. Masturbate, do wathever, go back to draw after a while.

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In attempt to try and make a drawing or do some sort of writing every day, I end up just doodling and playing around with the doodle in various ways. I don't think I'm actually learning anything, but I can't help feeling like there's something there. Am I just fooling myself? Am I seeing something that's not there?

I went ahead and bought a book on perspective to get myself started, but it just feels like things I've gone over before. Maybe trudging through the boring stuff is just something I need to push through? I'd like to try and find a way to have more loose fun with it like I do my doodles. I can do that, right?

>>2929965
Feng zhu said that first you gotta earn that fun and desire to draw. Doodling for some time doing jack shit but enjoying creating stuff is part of the process.

When you feel ready or that you want to create something really bad, then go for it.

PS: studying is not fun but necessary. Remember that later.

>>2929953
reading loomis atm but ill look into dodson and vilppu, thanks

>>2929954
>>2929956
I have that same image saved for reference.
I have keys of drawing and need to read through it because i know for a fact i need to get away from symbol drawing

friends pointed out some stuff too, good practice and all but still clearly needs work

All I wanted was to draw my character for dungeons and dragons and now I'm flipping pictures over and turning off 3/4ths of my brain to properly draw shapes

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How would you construct this face?

>>2929675
You and me brother - done this bullshit for 12 years.

>>2929986
You have the reference in front of you.

It's less of construction and more of observation.

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Please critique me, it's a wip..

I got it from "lucy li nude from below" in google images, should come up with her gallery

>>2929990
My usual methods for construction are obsolete for this persons structure. So im trying to see how some one else would do it. maybe I can learn something.

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>>2929992

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>>2929996

>>2929996
i'll never have a gf like her

>>2929998
you wont have a gf period ^:)

>>2929997
>
>>2929998
>>2930001

Do you have any constructive critique for my >>2929992
?

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>>2929996
>you will never see a girl at this angle in real life

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>>2930002
>>2929954
Learn how to measure.

>>2930007
Measure?

In the entirety of my drawing, or a certain part? I'm not sure what you mean exactly.

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>>2930001
>>2930004

>>2930008
The entire drawing. Like in pic and that post.

Did you check that edges or extremities aligned with the rest of the drawing?.

>>2930014

Damn, I honestly don't know how to check for that. I have a pdf of Drawing on the Right Side, so I'll continue reading that.

Any way you could red line my drawing to help me see?

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Tear me a new one /ic/.

Slant is due to camera angle mostly.

>>2928599
The construction is well done, but there's no detail, did you use a reference?

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fuck i hate it when i press too hard on the paper...shouldn't of done that.........

crit?

>>2930044
looks creepy desu

>>2930044
Never draw the face-features without the head. Period.

Than take time and read up on how to construct a face - Loomis, Dodson whoever you like. Learn why an eye is shaped like it is. What's beneath the skin. How does a smile change the rest of thee face? How does the nose align with the ear, the eyes with the nose?

Draw with references, measure carefully and informed.

>>2930021
Could you post the ref? Generally you're missing forms in the face - it feels pretty flat all in all but I don't see any glaring mistakes.

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magic
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XgRBMrvTG3A

>>2929855
Shoulders and clavicles don't work like that. And if her head is tilted forwards, which seems to be the case from the position of her eyes relative to the middle line, you'd have to move her head lower.
Everything else is pretty bland and unconvincing as well.

>>2930021
Yeah, a male skull from Skull Sketcher.

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how is this? should I be pushing the values?

>>2929387
I don't know I just hope there's someone else doing it xD

>>2930112
That depends on your purpose. IMO, the top of his hat should get more shading.

>>2930115
There are definitely other people who give constructive feedback in this thread, and although I felt like my posts comprised the majority of it three weeks ago, now I see more and more posts from people other than me doing it. I like the sight and I'd like to believe that my example inspired some of them.

>>2930112
Could you post the ref? I think you could go a tad bit darker here and there - but I'd really need to see the ref to say anything.

>>2930103
>Let's construct the head
>Let's draw the eyes
>Construct everything around the eyes

>Wtf

Seriously this person clearly knows what she's doing - don't copy this way as a beginner.

>>2930187
>>2930187
>>2930187

>>2930187
>>2930187
>>2930187

>>2930187
>>2930187
>>2930187

>>2930187
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>>2930021
Is that Ron Swanson?

>>2928924

This is next level denial bbe

>>2929649
I'm a traditional media snob, I never use tablets, only paper, pencils and brushes.

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the anatomy is silly but fun

>>2929016
Anon, the head is way too big in comparison to the body. Also her left (your right) boob looks flat. Try focusing more on getting the proportions down.

Draw the full body, and don't rush into painting. You added color without getting finishing the body and getting tbe proportions down.

keep working at it, anon.

>>2928451
Ur just tracing stop

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>>2931993
How stupid are you to post in the wrong thread