ITT: We post things that trigger /ic/. Last Thread: >>2846221

>>2855099
What's triggering about this? The fact that there's a fat girl? Do fat girls not exist to /ic/?

>>2855144
Cyarine, in general, has a bad rep on this board (and possibly other communities), largely for her attitude. Pretty sure OP's pic focuses on her caption though, not the actual art.

Personally, I don't mind people blogging on their art posts. As long as the art is good or an attempt to improve, whine all you want.

>>2855151
I thought the trigger was her 1mil followers. Even based James Jean aint hit 600k....

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>>2855100
>blacklist the keyword that best describes how you're failing your art
>complain that people aren't helping you get better

>>2855099
two girls on the sides are pretty qt, except for maybe their hands

>>2855154
Oh damn, she's got over 1 milllion? How the fuck? I understand her work's appeal and the power of getting lucky, but did she do something more than hashtags?

>tfw Gurney has only hit 60.4k

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>>2855204
the discourse caused by the outside world saying her art sucks (pic related), which it does.
but she cries about being bullied rather than admitting to it and getting better
said crying attracts more talentless 12 year olds on instagram

behold, the formula for instagram popularity. and i do mean JUST instagram. she could make some pocket change selling her shit, but not a living.

>>2855563
She makes a lot more than you do lol faggot

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>>2855578
you dont have to get triggered on 4chan if you stay on tumblr where you belong

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9BFC7_6nVg

>>2855100
LMAO this can't be real.

>>2855563
Old one looked stylistically more charming, new one became full on embodiment of Tumblr.

>>2855161
Source of the complaint?

>>2855100
is this ummm... h-h-him?

>>2855144
Have you read the text?

>>2855154
No the trigger is her crying about how special she is because she has autism.

>>2855161
To be fair if you know your work is stiff and people say it's stiff with no help on how to actually fix it (gesture helped me with that) I can see getting a little annoyed and trying to focus on other areas instead.

I don't agree with it I just understand.

>>2855647
So how many different tumblr art styles are there now? I didn't know this was one now.

I thought it was just:
-pseudo Disney
-Stefan Universe
-tumblr nose

What actually goes into making something look tumblr?

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>>2855563

>>2855999
/ic/ would say this wrong
But normal people would understand

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I think most of her popularity came from this one post, instagram used to recommend this to me every single day for a while

>>2856099
This image is pretty motivating

>>2855702

what

>>2855999
It's probably IG culling more unpaid (or paid) bots accounts, again.

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Female autism must be fun

>>2856107
She's right, whoever that faggot is, he has no right to criticize her.

>>2856107
Good on her. Put that man in his place. Who does he think he is with all that mansplaining

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>>2856107
why is she so retarded

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>>2856110
>>2856109
still better then her

>>2856107
>>2856099
>>2855999
>>2855563
>>2855099
Is she even attractive to justify this kind of exposure and behaviour?

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>>2855563
how about posting how she draws in the years 2016 and 2017?

>>2856135
Yeah she's cute

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>>2855563
>her art sucks (pic related), which it does.

>>2856138
>tfw no cute artist gf

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>>2856138
She's average really.
And her behaviour is everything except cute.

>>2856143
Explain her behavior

>>2856107
Female autists are just as awful and annoying as male ones. Dealing with autists all the time in person has taught me this

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>>2856130
She always had this thing for eyes melting off the character.

>>2855099
literally nothing triggering about this.

>>2856150
>muh style

>>2856145
See >>2856107

Also, as an professional artist from the same country as her I can give you some inside info about Cyarin and why she can't get any professional gigs besides that HP bullshit.
Even Wacom itself blacklisted her.

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>>2856158
Please share, that honestly sounds really interesting.

>>2856138
>>2856143
Eh, I've seen better looking, better skilled artists in my city. But I can see why people would indulge her in her attwhoring tirade.

>>2856161

I don't have any screencaps etc. to back this shit up, so wether you believe me or not is up to you.
But we live in a small country with quite a number of game/animation studios so almost everyone that's above average knows eachother. And a lot of people in that community (silently) despises Cyarin.

First - most of us see her as a cheap Loish ripoff.. And that would be kinda okay since a lot of people get inspired by Loish, but Cyarin is always whining about ''muh original style'' while never admitting that she's just trying really hard to be Loish but with a huge lack of fundamentals.. And she'll never be a decent human being like Loish.

Cyarin is cocky af, with her whole thing of drawing herself because she's so kawaii desu, to the whole ''this is my style don't tell me to improve'' thing.. When among other artists, at comic cons etc. She acts like she's a huge celebrity, literally ignoring 'lesser' artists.

This attitude is how she's really digging her own grave atm. I don't know a single artstudio that would want to hire her/work with her because she refuses to do anything that doesn't fit her style and throws a bitchfit when asked to.

This is more or less a vent but if anyones entertained by this I could tell you about the wacom fiasco.

>>2856201
I'm listening.

>>2856201
Oh dang, have you spilled the tea about her before in past threads? Or was that another artist fed up with her BS? Either way though, I've even seen /cgl/ bitching about her attitude in the Dutch community.

I'm really curious about the Wacom incident, though. I was always under the impression Wacom and Huion didn't give a shit about an artists' attitude as long as they had a built-in fanbase of hundreds of thousands to even a million.

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this artist is cuter desu

>>2856223
>long black hair
Can't be trusted

>>2856223
>>2856224
a trap?

>>2856201
>>2856206

>The wacom shitstorm

So Cyarin bought a cintiq companion and had some troubles with it, and after going back and forward with customer support her problems still weren't solved. (I'm not really sure if she got a new one or not)
But anyways Cyarin kept being unsatisfied with Wacom and whining about it online, and instead of just mailing/calling Wacom or anything to see if they could still help her.. She started harassing the spokesperson that tried to help her online. This got as far as Wacom as a company having to tell her to back the fuck off.
In the end Cyarins own mother had to excuse her daughter and tell she's ''mentally challenged''

One time before this Wacom also asked her to do a collab, like they do with a lot of popular artists, but Cyarin acted all stuck up saying they had to speak to her manager (which would probably be her mom) and asked a ridiculous amount of money so she got told to fuck off.

And this is why so many people here secretly don't like her. But no one openly says it because if you do Cyarin will send all her whiteknights after you like she did with the wacom employee.

>>2856201
I want to get a huge following of retards so I can shit talk other bad artists even though I'm not that great.

>>2856208
This is my first time posting about her. But a lot of artists are fed up with her and are scared to openly tell it.

>>2856232
Thanks for sharing anon.

>>2856223
Who's dis???

>>2856201
>>2856232
Thanks for the share! Also it sounds fun that you live in a small country making anyone decent-tier know each other.

>>2856245

some art chick I saw in a facebook art group. Her paintings are alright, she has potential.

>>2856232
I believe this shit actually. Some B list artist I used to know sent her fan base to harass her ex-best friend because she was jealous that her friend wanted to spend more time with her boyfriend than her.
It was the most petty, fucked up abuse of popularity I've ever seen.

>>2855996
It all comes down to drawing ugly people because you want to virtue signal how inclusive you are in what you consider beautiful and drawing badly because good drawing is also a social construct. It's a liberal circlejerk disguised as art.

>>2856150
That's a habit artists get from drawing anime. Japs put the eyes wherever they want and it always looks terrible.

She needs to be baptized in Loomis.

>>2856365
You're making a lot of assumptions about why people do things. There's nothing wrong with drawing ugly people, and assuming that drawing ugly people is only to "virtue signal" is just making the case even more that drawing ugly people is unecessarily tabboo. It shouldnt be weird to draw ugly people because they're ugly, and I think that a lot of the time when people draw ugly people, they do so with an idea that it might make it less abnormal, so that people wouldnt automatically think "virtue signalling" everytime someone draws something that breaks any convention. Or maybe they don't even think that what they're drawing is "ugly" since ugly is entirely subjective.

Virtue signalling is a retarded concept anyways, its all speculation and it can be applied to literally anything. You're just making that comment because you're trying to virtue signal that you know so much about the reasons why people draw things.

>>2856432
There is nothing wrong with drawing ugly or different people. The thing is it is done badly. Those faces tend to be more hard to stylize for these artists so you end up with them reusing the same ugly racially ambiguous nose and features and make a new style out of it (much in the same way they were doing generic pretty faces before). So it becomes clearer that these artists are lacking in basic observation and they make basic caricature artists look like geniuses.

>>2856432
>and assuming that drawing ugly people is only to "virtue signal" is just making the case even more that drawing ugly people is unecessarily tabboo

This. I'm a cisshit white male and I love drawing ugly faces. They're more interesting.

>>2855563
Oh I now recognize her work, she apparently studies at the same design school I went to. I graduated so I never have seen her in person but the school uses her work in their promotional material.

>>2855099

It's easier to draw ugly people. Drawing conventionally attractive faces require a greater command of shape and proportion. I fully believe some people draw uglies just because it's more convenient

>>2856516
>durr drawing symmetrical faces is hard

>>2856516
wtf
its harder to draw uggos

>>2856572
>>2856596

Literally post your work

>>2856599
i would but this is bait check the draw thread u fuck

>>2856596
A well trained artists can do either with similar ease, though it is true that it is easier to draw an imperfect face than to practice drawing perfect ones.

>>2856432
>t. SJW nu-malee cuck

>>2856504
Thsts bullshit because she stated numerous times she's homeschooled and didn't go to art school

>>2856107
Wow

>>2856143
wait wtf is she doing with porter and madeon >:/

>>2856861
Well she is an ~instagram celebrity~

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Even in her recent art she's still mediocre. Look at this disjointed piece of shit

>>2856877
Better than anything I can put out and like 90% of world.

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>>2856877
the piece is pretty alright, the only problem I have with it is the color choices. Pink and green isnt a good combo, the left leg looks broken, and it looks like she is floating due to there not being a ledge. The hair should have been brown or a red.

>pic related
We had to do one of these in art class in high school, it shows what colors work best for each other. I still use it today.

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>>2855099
Joke's on you, I've been desensitized to the point of total indifference toward things far worse than bad tumblr art
Thanks 4chan.

>>2856959
pink is a tint of red; red and green are complimentary colors. the palette is fine, it's just that the drawing sucks to begin with

>being triggered by an autistic person's behavior
This is like scraping the bottom of the depths of insecurity.

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>>2856877

>>2856981
Here's your kek

>>2856981
Show this to her kek.

>>2856981
deserves a reply.

>>2856979
That's not how autistic people behave.

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>>2855996
You forgot the pseudo retro calarts cartoons

>>2856978
Kek, yeah I can see why. I just think pink isn't a great color used for green, even if it's a tint, but I respect your statement.

>>2856981
This is great!

>>2855996
If it looks gay and cartoony, it's tumblr.

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>>2856432
Dumbass.

>>2856432
Tumblrites don't just draw ugly people. They draw them in a way that is very forgiving, since they like to pretend that they're just "a different kind of beautiful".

Here's a challenge for you: Draw a morbidly obese person, a disabled person, a transexual or some other kind of minority in a way that exaggerates the features you find unappealing, post it on tumblr and report back to us.

>>2856138
It's really cringy how much she draws herself.

I was expecting more than one artist in this thread

>>2855996
Esteban Universo*

>>2857377
There's actually a very few artists that deserve to be shit on, except for maybe that guy with that nose trip

>>2857377
Then provide more.

>>2856130
This is why I love you /ig/.

>>2857382
There's not even a trip, lol.

>>2856981
Fucking hell, I saw the same thing, thank you!

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bbbuuummmppp

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Does anyone know Asurocks? Horrible celebrity attitude.

>>2858252
Never heard of her before. Looked her up and her art has this gross and trashy vibe that I really hate.

>>2857056
Isn't the artist behind this a rampant diaperfur? Shmorky, I'm pretty sure. Man, /pol/ accepts all comers these days.

>>2858303
1. I'm pretty sure that's an edit
2. I don't think that's Shmorky (who is not only a diaperfur but a pedo too; dayum shame)

>>2858303
>>2858306
red panels

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a classic

>>2858327
What's triggering about this? I can see tumblrinas getting triggered by it.

>>2858327
>>2858334
Or is it because /ic/ doesn't know asian joints can bend like that?

>>2857015
.she used the wrong green.

>>2858336
bend like what? everythings fine

>>2858334
>>2858352
>>2858336

People big into picking out anatomy flaws would say that it's "wrong", even though it's perfectly feasible

>>2858356
>feasible
It's literally an actual real photograph

>>2858359

The joke was that the original artist posted their drawing, everyone ripped the shit out of it for the obvious flaws with the right arm, then posted the reference image in response.

>>2858361
What? Was this artist from /ic/?

>>2858361
That does make sense.

There was this one popular artist who all she would do is just photocopy famous people, then some random told her that's all she does and she sperged out saying people only criticize artists that photocopy when they are women.
Anyone got the pic? I saw it on /ic/ like a year ago.

>>2855996
As said, tumblr's shit is glamorizing ugliness for SJW cred and being infantile about it.

>>2856201
So she's literally female Genzoman?
(Genzo gets hired because he's willing to charge $40 per illustration, he even got sick while working as the AD for Mitos y Leyendas because he gave himself half a TGC card set's worth of cards to illustrate three times in a row fucking over every one the artists he was supposed to manage)

>>2856001
No, even normal people would realize why the fuck don't you have a real job as a back-up plan? Most "normal people" would agree pursuing one career, especially one that is not guaranteed to make money, is very risky and that you should have a secondary skill to fall back on. Liberal parents who let their kids be anything, even an artist and put themselves into debt thousands of dollars and wonder why they have a fucking hard time getting by on just freelancing are irresponsible as fuck. And yet, they keep doing it because we've been smashed over the heads with the, "Be what you want to be, you can achieve your dream!" mantra.

If this chick survives on Instagram, that's a risky move that will almost definitely not serve her well in a decades time when the new social media website is out, she loses followers, but she's in her 30's and still needs to make money in some way.

Don't ever think you can somehow live off of Patreon or Commissions. You need connections, longevity, passive income from things like a comic book that will garner revenue on the side, or an actual stable job in the animation, comic, graphic design, or whatever industry. This is just a dumb, naive, young girl putting all her eggs in one basket whose going to get a very rude awakening when the basket breaks after years of wear.

>>2858459
Sounds like someone's jealous.

>>2858460
>Being jealous of someone who admits they need Instagram to live
That's not something to be jealous of. Unless you also think I'm jealous of 2005 Matt Wilson and his mega flash cartoon.

I may have a dead end job, but at least I'll still have it when the new hit social media craze hits.

>>2856282
That's just women being women.

>>2857411
i also legit hate myself tho

>>2857382
>>2857411
Lol if you're going to pretend to be me at least understand that I'm overconfident.

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>>2858556
and i wont be posting for another 12 odd hours so anything in that time span isnt me.

Love,
NB

>>2858558
same old face boooring

>>2855154
That kills me inside. James Jean is a great artist and nice from what I hear. Ohh shut this world is a cluster fuck. God you insane basted try not to laugh so hard at your pitifull experiment!

>>2855640
Why. Really, why. This person can't draw breasts. She does say a few good things but overall nope!

>>2855563
I don't see the hate. I mean it's not great but it's better than most of ic. The nose gets me, like it's been repeatedly beaten in on the bridge.

>>2856138
She can't be autistic if she whores it like that, maybe very slightly. Damn, she's cute tho!

>>2856150
It's like a fish hook got caught on her eye and is pulling it off of her face! Lol

>>2856223
Fug yes she is

>>2856959
Pink and green is not a bad combo when done right. Like a fish next to seawed. It just takes time and a well trained eye, along with understanding composition. Maybe that hot pink mess isn't the best type of pink to use when in a natural environment. But, she is Tumblr tier, so she doesn't think about how these things work together!

>>2856979
Yeah I think she's not that autistic, maybe very slightly!

>>2856981
That's what it looks like from the thumbnail, kekity kekaroony

>>2857000
Wannabe cartoon network shit. That's fine For animation, But damn. Why would anybody share this!

>worse then /ic/
>she's making it
>you're not
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9BFC7_6nVg&t=608s

>>2857056
Uhh, yes but I think it has more to do with the neanderthal and denisovian genetics being in most races except black people. Which technically means Africans are the most pure race, but also they missed out on the extra shit other races inherited from interbreeding with non homosapian homonids!

>>2858556
Stop being so retarded, Read the comment again and try to understand why someone else used your name in response to someone talking about your "trip".

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>>2856877
it looks so flat and out of place
not gonna make it

>>2856107
I've never been on this board, heard about this chick and have only just recently had time to pick up art again after 5 years at a Tech. school. When I was more active all I wanted to hear was criticism of my drawing, paintings, carvings etc. and I assumed people that actually cared about making such things did the same. Are creatures like this bitch common in art communities?

>>2858653
Yes

>>2856139
>huge face with huge eyes
>stretched out hand proportions
>not sure what it is but that thigh/ hip region seems off as well
>those shoulders made me laugh
She really doesn't listen to criticism?

>>2858653
That's the most common type of people.
Some won't openly, arrogantly express their displeasure at critiques, but there's a reason why 95% of "artists" never improve.

>>2858327
eh, the stylization of the right arm makes it look unnatural because there's no obvious crease that would imply your looking at the inside of the arm, similarly at the wrist. the lighting makes it look like the elbow is facing the camera.

>>2858657
The fuck, why? I've never even heard of people who care about art actually liking there own work, is it just a meme now to post stuff online without wanting to get better? Feels like I dodged a bullet waiting to teach myself art instead of going to a school to dual-major in it and physics.

regardless of its flaws, i quite like looking at her work

>>2858664
It's all about the ego. Some people perceive drawing as the only skill that they can do properly, so when someone presents them with a critique, they interpret it wrong and think that whoever is criticising them are taking alway the only thing they have (or think they have).
This triggers some self-defense mechanism and you get the *autistic screeching* part.
But there's a bit of hope for at least half those people, as later they wake up and realize that they need those critiques to improve. But the other half is too far up their ass or too spoiled (like Cyarin) to understand it, so it's best to just ignore those.

>>2858468
Don't worry, she'll do just fine when the new hit social media craze hits and still makes more money than you working your dead end job.

>>2858459
Damn anon..

>>2858712
If you really believe that, you'll go from hope to rope real soon.

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>>2858404

>>2858712
>I don't need a retirement plan! I'll just make lots and lots of money at my first job when I'm young and save it all!

>>2858824
>>2858824
Is there anything more pathetic than depressed losers working dead end jobs who fantasize about more successful people possibly hitting hard times in the future? Look, I get it, you are frustrated that there are people out there who make a very good living with their art while you can't, but instead of hoping for misfortune to strike them, maybe you'd be happied trying to actually improve your own life. Otherwise, you'll have nothing but regret together with your retirement plan.

>>2858361
kek

>>2858853
>Is there anything more pathetic than depressed losers working dead end jobs who fantasize about more successful people possibly hitting hard times in the future?
Yes. People who advocate known shitheads that can't plan their life one inch in front of their nose even though they are being momentarily successful.

You're either Cyarin yourself or you're the most pathetic creature I ever seen post on this board, and that's a huge feature since we have cumbum and literal furry autists.

>>2858814

Anon BTFO

>>2858468
>I'll still have it when the new hit social media craze hits
she can just also post there as well

>>2858853
>Telling adults they're going to need to face financial reality and that being dependent on instragram is not "making a living" = being mean and pathetic.
Do you strive to have a big fanbase or something? Do you have any plan of what to do after you get one? Do you realize most people who live only off their fanbases and no other means of work become irrelevant after 8 or so years? "Get followers" is not a job plan. Not unless you plan to do shit with it like fund a Kickstarter to make a graphic novel that can provide you side income as it continues to sell over the years online.

>>2858892
Yeah, like all those mega popular deviantartists who totally retained their fanbase when Tumblr became the hit thing.

>>2858814
I totally forgot about euclase. Their art bore me five years ago, and it bores me now.

>>2858900
Are you implying they didn't?

>>2858903
Are you implying they did? Are you implying most big online artists right now aren't people who got known within the last 3 - 5 years with the exception of a handful of people?

>>2855969
What about it? You get triggered by other people's autism?

>>2856107
This is actual trigger material

>>2858905
they can both be popular anon, theres no limit to it. and now its easier than ever to gain a fanbase
name me 2 artists that have adapted that lost extreme favor with the crowd anyways

>>2858918
Dobson. Kyle Carrozza. And ironically with Kyle, he got a TV show at the lowest point of his popularity. But at least, unlike most artists, he has a foot in the industry where his online blog death doesn't mean he's dead, too.

>>2858933
>dobson
>never really that popular
height was some fans for his inflation art when he pretended to be a girl
>wont improve
>shit attitude
nothing to do with the new craze

>>2858951
>kyle
wasnt magiswords rejected at first but did pretty good on yt so it got barely picked up?
anyways,
>accepted pitch =/= popular personally
>lackluster art, cringy posting, mostly shills

>>2858951
http://tompreston.deviantart.com/art/Eggs-538653798
>1000 favorites
High hundreds to thousand was very average for Dobson. He was popular at the time, the fact that you think he isn't now is exactly proving my point.
>>2858962
Trying to refute that someone's popularity is a direct correlation to their skill is just you moving the goalposts. And yes, typically when someone gets a tv show, naturally, their popularity SHOULD increase. At the very least, people with a show on a major network that isn't a Canadian import.

My point still stands, these two people were much popular during deviantart days and once new websites came and they tried to make accounts on them as well, their e-fame decreased hard. And now they can't find fanbases on Tumblr because Tumblr does not care for their type of art. And don't try to tell me their attitude is what defines their popularity when this entire thread is about Cyrian.

>>2858897
You clearly know nothing what you are talking about. Graphic novels make shit all long term. Most self-funded graphic novels even make a net loss and are usually a passion project. Professional comic book artists have to stay afloat by taking one job after the other and they don't have any retirement plan either.

>>2858968
i just told you why for dobson, hes infamous, not famous, and brought it upon himself. the migration has nothing to do with it

as for kyle, dont know much about him but im not moving goalposts. its common for people to have interest in those behind the the things they like. live action sure.
he didnt seem to popular to begin with if he barely got his show to be made (which even now is very mediore and it shows). and his blogging is more shills than blogging.

theres much more at play than them just moving to a new site

>>2858968
He didn't lose his popularity because of tumblr you dumb shit, he lost his popularity for a variety of reasons. He isn't popular on Deviantart either these days.

>>2858660

You're not looking at the inside of the arm...

She has a hyperextensible elbow. It's normal. Look at her hand.

>>2858868
It's touching that you worry about other people so much, but believe me, chances are very high they will all have better, more comfortable and fulfilled lives than you from start to finish. So my advice to you, once again, worry about yourself and don't fantasize about more successful people to fall on hard times. More often than not, they do plan ahead much more than you think and let's be honest here, being a professional artist in general is a risky career. A concept artist or illustrator could just as easily get laid off and not find good work again as a fanartist whose capital is their online presence.

>>2858996
And you who is saying that a person admitting they're dependent on instagram DOES know what he's talking about? Also self-published mother fucker, or online release. You don't need companies as much anymore. Make a book, release it on a digital platform, it'll do a shit more for you than just likes on Facebook.

>>2859012
>I'm gonna move my goalpost from shithead to whiteknight! Even though they're both the same!
Sorry you're unprepared for the adult world and are more satisfied with instant gratification and if someone tells you otherwise, you think they're meanie heads.

>>2859002
>people to have interest
*to not have interest

>>2859015
>Make a book, release it on a digital platform, it'll do a shit more for you than just likes on Facebook.

How the fuck is that in any way a more viable long-term career plan than patreon bucks? Comic book artists are literally the lowest of the low when it comes to pay to work ratio and that's actual professionals who can get employed by big clients. There is like a handful of successful webcomic artists that can live off of their comics and that's it and ironically they all do the exact same thing as the fanartists, rely on popularity and patreon.

>>2859023
>How the fuck is that in any way a more viable long-term career plan than patreon bucks?
There's an entire thread with Shadbase proving how the fuck that isn't long-term viable strategy. The point isn't one or the other, the point is to do many things, and people like you thinking they can live forever on Patreon as if you're Sakimichan level is fucking absurd and immature as shit. Cyrian ruined her chances at working in an industry for a fall back plan and literally depends on a single factor to keep herself afloat. That is never a good plan, for any job, any career, any person, unless they're fucking Robert Downy Jr. levels of rich and don't need to give a shit.

>>2859017
Look, the fact is, you are jealous and angry that a person makes a better living than you do, doing something you want to do, but can't do, making money with your art. Everything else is just you assuming shit that you can't possibly know. You are just as likely to be laid off and never find work again as a successful artist suddenly losing their entire fanbase and never finding work again.

>>2859027
>Cyrian ruined her chances at working in an industry
what happened?

also not them but theres plenty other ways to make profit. even better if youre hugely popular even for the moment because that brings autistic fans and autistic fans are loyal

>>2859030
Look, the fact is, you are a big fan of Cyrian who literally can't comprehend what it's like to be an adult, and think if you whiteknight hard enough for someone who doesn't need it, somehow, that makes you a morally superior person.

Also if you've ever had a job, which I'm sure you haven't, you would know working in the industry means making connections. Connections that can help when looking for work. Which means you have more than one factor in aiding you to get a job.

>>2859035
Again you are assuming random shit to fit your argument. I literally have no clue who the fuck this chick even is outside of having heard that name thrown around on /ic/ a few times. I'm not white knighting her, I'm verballing attacking miserable fucks like you who clearly have a very frustrating life and their only hope is to pretend better, more successful people will some day in the future have it worse than they have it now. This mindset fucking sickens me and I see it all the time everywhere. "hurr Sakimichan is gonna get sued by Disney soon, believe me, it's gonna happen any time now!"

>>2859040
>I have no idea who this girl is
>That's why I'm so dedicated in defending her
All everyone said is depending on Instagram as a long term strategy is not a good one. That isn't an unreasonable thing to say. You're the only calling people miserable fucks for believing something that is the truth. She can't thrive on that well into her 50's and trying to defend that is moronic.

>>2859012
I guess the thread had it's intended effect on you after all.

>>2859040
Dude, if you keep backpedaling this hard, you can actually turn back time and tell your younger self to stop getting frustratred at the internet and go draw instead.

>>2855099
better than me tbqh

>>2856139
>using this as counter argument that her art doesn't suck.

jesus, there are so many thing wrong with this one.

>>2856959
can you explain the pic?
i know nothing of color theory or anything like that as I'm an absolute beginner
does that pic somehow represent colors that should or shouldn't be used together?

>>2858252
reminds me of a pornstar

>>2859012
Good god dude, being critical of someone doesn't make you a miserable meanie. Get over yourself you child.

>>2859040
>calls someone miserable
>writes this clusterfuck or a post filled with rage and tears

>>2856130
there's been a lot of critisism to cyarin in this thread, maybe if some people would just show and tell her all of the critisism and what people think about her she would actually notice.

>>2859103
points of the triangle are the primary colors (colors that cant be mixed to make), everything else you can in theory.
every color's opposite is on the oppisite side to it (red and green, blue and orange). theyre called complimentray because they most bring out the other with how much they contrast (blue would really pop out in an orange setting)
typical color schemes are anachromatic-no color, greyscale (keep in mind black and white are entities).
monochrimatic-one color. complimentray (red-green).
split complimentary (using a color, and the ones on the sides of its complimentary (red with yellow-green and blue-green instead of red and green.
analogous is usuing silimar colors, so ones next to each other on the wheel (blue, blue-green, blue-violet).
color schemes can serve different purposes, ones better than others which is something to think about next time you paint.

saturation and value are a different ballpark but i dont wanna drag on.

>>2858356
>>2858361
/ic/ worries me about that sometimes. with how rampant arrogence is here i wouldnt know which crits acutally hold true and which is bull

>>2859156
holy moly that's a lot and I guess that's just the surface of knowing colors

>>2859176
as with anything, these are just common guidelines as to what works and why. of course you dont have to follow it to a T but you better know wtf youre doing.

you can find much better explanations and infographs that sum it up better than my shitty post but yeah colors tricky. im still trying to get the hang of tints, tones, shadows and lighting.

>>2856138
>covering her face with phone
she has esteem issues - avoid

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>"There's no excuse for artists to not improve!"
>own art skill has remained stagnant for 3+ years
>continues to make the same mistakes over and over again while literally blocking out all criticism. (see >>2855100)


https://youtu.be/5H6DYqQYzdI

>>2859460
>dat weird pencil grip

>>2858933
Dobson is a lolcow, when you say "deviantart superstar" you're talking about Artgerm, Phobs or Humon. And they're all still popular.

>>2859166
Everything is bull. There used to be a couple good redliners that actually cared to help you get better but they were chased away by the retards.
/ic/ is for people who hate drawing but were told they were "creative" and shit so they put all their eggs in a basket they didn't even like in the first place and are now ruined forever.

>>2859502
Partially unrelated to the convo, but felt it was interesting to drop. Apparently then talent coordinators who work at places like Marvel, CartoonNetwork, Nickelodeon, etc. who look for artists to potentially hire are wary when they are passed on deviantart links as someone's portfolio. I've personally met the girl who was in that job position for Disney XD and she said she often scoured Tumblr, but she was cautious of deviantArt because she always expected furry artists.

I don't know why the fuck she had that mentality. Seemed super dumb.

>>2857377
Krystal Fleming

She was working on a comic, got a bunch of artists, voice actors, musicians and animators who offered to work for her for free to make a cartoon of her Super Looters concept. Just when everyone was about to start working on it, super stoked, rating to go...she pulls the plug on the whole project.

Then if anyone asked her about SL afterward, she'd flip out on them. Basically tell them to fuck off, SL stresses her out she's triggered by her own cartoon.

What she chose to draw instead was vomit porn of Bob's Burgers characters and get shit for views on it compared to her original cartoon concept which was crazy popular.

Bitch actually thought she was gonna get picked up to work on Bob's Burgers for real. I lol every time I think about this but I know people who are still furious at her to this day (this was years ago).

She had all these different people ready to work on an original character cartoon (do you have any idea how monumental that is?) and just flushed the opportunity down the crapper.

>>2859539
from her tumblr

>I'm Krystal Fleming...The guy who does Binding of Isaac: Afterbirth cutscenes, worked on Creepy Castle art + character design, and fanart of weird cartoon men.
>claims to be male

WHY
please don't tell me she's another genderbenderqueersnowflake

>>2856223
kinuko is cuter

>>2859572
SHE prefers to be called he.
Yes SHE is one of those.

I hadn't checked any of her accounts in a long time though so I wasn't sure if she was still doing the "I'm a boy with a vagina" thing.

>>2859572
You'd actually be surprised about some of this shit desu. I actually know a few more stories about some other lesser known art celebrities too if anyone is interested.

>>2856981
Exactly what I thought too. Well done.

>>2859626
hngggg, gimme the dirt

>>2859637
I'll give you two of my personal faves:

>nuclear mime
He seemed like a pretty normal, friendly guy. Lots of people liked him and he was always getting free art and trades and stuff of his mine girl. Fast forward a little and I happened to be in a chat with the people he used to hang with and most of them thought he was just a kiss ass and fake af. Lots of them said that he was an actual pedophile because he hit on some underaged girl on deviantart and had lots of loli OCs.
This one was just kinda tabloid shit. The next one is verifiable bullshit.

>missbutlerart
Aside from being a terrible artist and autistic, word is that she's kind of a manipulator. A while ago, she made an art contest where she was gonna give a bunch of her boyfriends CD merch and free art to the first place winner, some art for second place and mercy and just like a cd for their place. Pretty good deal right? The guy who won first place won "because it was an animation" but it was shit compared to the second place winners digital painting.
Most of us to this day say that she planned on giving the winner first place all along because he was her friend. (I didn't know he was so close to her at the time so I didn't believe it myself).
Flash forward a bit, it turned out the second place winner never got his prize art. I'm not even sure they got the CD and merch they were supposed to get.
In retrospect, I think she just wanted a cheap way to get exposure for her boyfriends CD and a bunch of free art.

Apparently the bitch who writes Zoophobia also screwed a bunch of people too but I don't know all the deets about that. Anyone care to fill me in about it? I heard she had a mental breakdown about Zootopia stealing her concept or some shit.

>>2859508
>There used to be a couple good redliners that actually cared to help you get better but they were chased away by the retards
damn i hope senpai that redined for me that one time didnt.
>so they put all their eggs in a basket they didn't even like in the first place and are now ruined forever.
shitposting doesnt help. wish this board would clean up its act a bit

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>>2859721
>I heard she had a mental breakdown about Zootopia stealing her concept or some shit.
apparently

>>2859770
its competely unrelatedin story and titlewise animated films are in the works for years at minimum

>>2859508
I swear, every time I try to be helpful and make a redline, there is always some dumb kid saying it sucks without any explanation.

>>2859773
Exactly, it doesn't make any sense. There aren't cringey demon children and aliens in Zootopia and I don't think they Zoophobia even has a detective story in it at all.

>attention whoring

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>>2859721
>missbutlerart
How is she so popular with such shitty art?

>>2859834
No clue. I hate watch her because her art is so cringe, but I think I might be the only one lel.
>is watching people you don't like a thing?

>>2859834
Judging by your pick, I'd imagine it's because of the never ending supply of low standard orbiters.
I know a chick from my city that has a crazy local following just because she acts "cutesy" during conventions, but her art is, being very generous, subpar. Yet some retard even shelled out to give her an intuos pro for her in a birthday party some years ago. It was the cringiest shit I've ever seen. The guy didn't even get a hug back, lol.

>>2859775
The problem is the fragile ego a lot of artists have. It's up to the person getting critiqued to decide whether they agree with the points being made. Getting defensive and calling the person who's trying to help you out a piece of shit just because you dont think their crit is valid just makes people afraid of telling you what they think of your art and how thez believe it could be improved. The flipside is people buying into their critics authority to the point where they stop thinking for themselves entirely.

If you can't be bothered to think for yourself you really shouldn't try to become an artist.

>>2860303
>fragile ego
well youre on artwork/critique wtf did they expect
i think most of it are from other anons that just like shitposting. and if they know oh so much better than they couldve been usuing that time to redline as well

>>2859964
I know this is kinda obvious, but do you think it's easier for girls to get recognition just because of the "most girls are kinda cute" meme being sorta true?
I'm pretty sure there is an imbalance in favor of girls in online art success. It kinda seems like to be a popular male artist online you practically have to be in professional cartooning or peddle smut.
Make artists who don't resort to sex appeal are undeniably pushing boulders uphill.

What really triggers /ic/ is not bitching about what other people draw and getting better themselves.

Posting content. Things like that.

>>2860303
>The problem is the fragile ego a lot of artists have.

Stop. Just stop. Everyone has a fragile ego. There are even words that differentiate confident, self asserting people from the norm. They even get laid just on their assuredness alone.

Look at how people who critique react when their critiques are met unfavorably. They bitch, whine, moan, and complain. Just like people who have made something that is being opinionated on. It's cyclical.

>>2860541
It's not about being a girl, really. But how you choose to advertise yourself.
There's plenty of male artists being honestly successful, because they put their art before themselves. Girls that rely on their looks or acts to advertise themselves only does so to compensate a lack of skill.
I'm sure there are a lot of females pushing that same boulder uphill, because of their behaviour.
I still haven't see one girl that puts on the adorable act online that actually has the skill to match. I used to think Gawki was one of those, but I'm not exactly sure anymore.

>>2860541
what >>2860594 said
a lot of it is metaphysical. girls tend to be more approachable, friendly, cuter (take care of themselves more often), and more intimite online
but yes, there are outliers on both sides

>>2860303
Mosr redliners that just stoped contributing did so because even though the critiqued artist love the redline, /ic/ is full of faggots who cannot see someone getting forward without trying to pull them back down.

>>2855996
Those bright neon colors and the inclusion of odd things for no reason, like that third eye

>>2856107
That isnt female autism, thats being female

t. autist

>>2856877
I am complete shit and I can still get a more human figure and have it more 3 dimensional

>>2856981
saved

>>2861246
They're all "influenced by" DestinyBlue but they're too big of faggots to admit it

>>2861251
edgy

>>2861251
you must be over 18 to post on 4chan.

>>2859145
i found that picture in that facebook thread. the one where they were arguing. the one that was giver her the critique posted that picture to her and cyarin got mad about it.
if she seen critique on her shit she will just throw you off or lash out at you.... its just what it seems like she would do according to that thread on facebook.

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>>2859145
see >>2856130 >>2856107

>>2861259
obligatory pyw

>>2856130
Dude, the X trick is now my favorite thing. I just tried it and it's super helpful.

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>>2858246
This and the "miku" pic are the only pictures which have made me physically nauseous

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>>2861361
:)

>>2855996
psuedo-cartoony and simplistic embodies the best of tumblr art. extra & effects-laden embodies the worst

>>2858327
dear god why do the arms look so distended and mangled

>>2860594
What about Mioree? She does the adorable act and has quite a bit of skill.

>>2856981
kek this is great

>>2861664
Looking at her room, I'd argue the qt3.14 is not an act with her.

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>why I became an artist
>artist
>art like that

>>2861328
It's like she really hates to improve.

>>2858252
Terrible

>>2861328
Well it depends, I think it's disrespectful to critique on somebody work on a place where they posted it for everyone to see. I wouldn't like it either but would just say thanks. I like critique but would want to receive it in a private message so it won't be a turn off to my viewers and I would also learn more from it not having to worry about what I ask and about seeming dumb on my art page. Just a thing.

>>2861736
What's wrong with that art? It's not that different from Shel Silverstein or Roald Dahl art.

>>2861664
her work is such same face bland shit lol, her technical skills are okay, but disregarding the fact she's a girl im tired of seeing symbol meme faces like cyarins in peoples work

>>2861744
Doesn't make me angry.
Envious, sure, but I'm also envious of anyone who has lots of money, regardless of profession.

>>2858814
I don't understand this.
If it was like >>2858404 explained with the celeb photocopy shit, I'd understand the message and the reply euclase gave.
But if it's about fanart on itself, both are being completely retarded.

>>2861664
Her stuff isn't bad, certainly way better than cyarin. But I her popularity isn't exactly proportional to her skill. So yeah, even if she being cute and talking cute isn't necessarily an act, it has a lot to do with her popularity.

>>2861744
so like 60 k a month? and they say being an artist does not pay well

>>2858505
yh sure it is

>>2856135
shes popular cuz loish ripoff
I've seen plenty shitty artists get commissions off the sole fact they over render their turds with 0 fundamental knowledge because they are trying to be sakimichan

>>2861503
??

>>2855154
I can't believe the Loish wannabe has more followers than Loish

>>2862009
This triggers me the most.

>>2862009
Just like Oreos

>>2861840
It's kinda amazing if someone is popular for being a ripoff from some artist, but ends up being more popular than said artist.

>>2862057
it happens
remakes more popular than the original
the back up singer more loved than lead
the spin off does better than the main story

>>2862071
except Loish is way better than Cyarin

>>2862009
Loish has more professional work out there commissioned by big industries. She's probably gotten to meet a lot of cool people in her line of work compared to Cy and probably has more money. I know Loish did the concept art for that man and dog Coke commercial and that they specifically wanted her for it.

>>2862088
Loish actually does big industry work? Any other examples.

>>2862089
She also did the concept art for some award winning animation short, and currently works for a line of girls lego toys.
She has always done a lot of professional work. She just doesn't post it as much on her instagram.

>>2862140
Pretty sure she was a character designer for this game that came out recently too.

>>2862140
>currently works for a line of girls lego toys
I had no idea, that's adorable

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>>2861744
How the fuck is it even legal to make that much from fanart?

>>2862187
I mean, you have to make somewhat porn oriented... which kinda sucks imo

>>2862190
Sakimichan does anything close to porn?
I thought the most sexualized stuff from her where common pinups.

>>2861769
She's popular because she livestreams. Normies absolutely adore watching shit being done, it makes them feel they're part of the "experience" somehow.

I'd hazard say the first good female artist that mixes the twitch camwhoring with actual camwhoring will be bigger than Warhol.

>>2862187

People pay for it. Free market. Capitalism.

>>2856107
so is it a stylistic choice that the far eye is somehow always bulging out of her skull or ...

>>2858246
Is it shitty that I like everything about this cept the color choice and faces? I'm never gonna make it while i still have shit taste /ic/ ...

>>2858814
officially triggered. Yeah cause god forbid you make something original for once right? Artists like this are going no where fast. "wood carving? Sewing? Jewelry making? Using my art in a matter that provides function rather than just doing what tons of other fans are doing? Naaaaaahhhhhh" Girls like this are the reason people don't view art as a career choice. For christ sakes, don't you at least want your art to make people think a little? not just," Hey, a character I know from some other thing!" FUCK

>>2858853
>>2858868
OR Or or ... you could have a job that lightly incorporates art that you can make a decent living off of while still feeling creatively fulfilled. Cake decorating, independent carpentry, costume/set design, illustration ... are yall in highschool or do people on this board not understand that there are jobs out there that require creativity that still legitimately pay people for honest work?

>>2859460
>holding the pencil like an angry toddler
Cause ya know ... motion should come from a white knuckled grip ... fuck all that wrist and elbow loose gesturing. Has this lady never taken a foundations course?

>>2861328
She didn't even address the critique ... what a bitter cunt. "Well I'm not going to listen to you now cause you disraspet meh!" Fuck off. Step back from your computer, realize you drew a fuckin alien creature and keep drawing. If you don't want to improve, don't post it on a place where people can comment or write in the description, "only accepting ass pats".

>>2859467
>>2862423

I really don't know how someone could write let alone draw with that kind of grip

>>2862423
Guess we know who got super triggered in this thread.

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>>2861664
how long ago was this?

>>2861817
you realize she is an EXTREME statistical outlier, right? only a handful of industry artists come close to what would be a livable wage in a place like america on patreon income alone, much less >100k a year

>>2862393

Well it's profiting off other people's works. If she posted her own original content she probably wouldn't get 1/10 of what she does.

The reason she gets away with it is because it's not worth the time, effort or negative PR for Disney to get her to stop.

>>2862633
>only a handful of industry artists come close
source

>>2861817
You are not money-chan

>>2862683
do the research your fucking self
look up random job salaries for places like disney
you fucking people who say source need so much hand holding otherwise you just don't believe anything it's absurd

>>2862203
>Sakimichan does anything close to porn?
Are you joking? She does porn stuff all the time now, think you have to be a certain patreon level and then she makes porn versions of every post or something.
It's mostly just shiny boobs and pussies and dicks, and some vanilla acts, so not what /ic/ would class as porn maybe compared to JMGN or Kyle's stuff, but yeah she does porn.

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>>2862203

>>2862690
>I-I don't have it so go look for the potentially non-existent source

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I find her entire fucking gallery to be pretty disgusting desu.

>>2862697
>I can't use Google myself, so I refuse to believe anything because I don't want to do 1% of work

I'm not even the person who posted the original shit, but Christ, just fucking look on GlassDoor. It's not that hard.

>>2862698
I wanna fuck that lizard thing

>>2862702
Haha, you wanna suffocate that thing with your dick?

>>2862698
Oh, in addition, this bitch and her boyfriend(?) does not take criticism well.

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>>2862705
That would be a 'yes' anon

>>2862633
>>2862683

https://www.patreon.com/knkl Riot concept/splash artist, ~17k/year

https://www.patreon.com/Zeronis Riot concept artist, average over the past year according to graphtreon.com is ~50k/year

https://www.patreon.com/reiq Pinup/smut artist for Jigglygirls, ~50k/year

https://www.patreon.com/InCaseArt Smut artist with long-ish web series, ~57k/year

https://www.patreon.com/dresdencodak Long-running webcomic artist, ~57k/year

https://www.patreon.com/Rossdraws Films/Games concept artist with popular youtube channel, my guess between 60k-120k/year based on recent monthly video package count

https://www.patreon.com/Kuvshinov_Ilya Currently the only case comparable to Sakimi, another concept artist who did pinup and tutorials for years and exploded in popularity with photoreal-anime style that kids love and want to emulate, ~157k/year

Almost all of these individuals have had extensive industry experience and/or garnered a large + dedicated following before launching patreon, and some come from big name game studios. You will be VERY hard-pressed to find random no-name artists, sfw or smut, even breaking minimum wage (or let's say 15k/year based on america) on patreon alone unless they've been at it for a long time. If you're more curious, look people up on graphtreon.com to examine and compare trends.

>>2861328
>posting the critique where her audience could see it.
don't do dis. You wouldn't like to be humiliated in public.

>>2862753
Only a beta would get humiliated. She exerted her dominance like an alpha. She controls the land.

>>2862755
>next time on Earth II

>>2859539
>>2859572
TL;DR, Bitch is wack and fucked herself from the beginning. Avoid this special snowflake at all costs.

>>2861350
It's from Perspective Made Easy. Read the sticky you megafag.

>>2862740
More than 3/4 of Dreden Codak is paid by Aaron Diaz's own father. The rest, other than kron and sakimi have been at it for nearly or over a decade.

So yes, rich parents, a lifetime cultivating a fanbase or being the early bird. Either way /ic/ is not gonna make it in patreon.

>>2863068
>So yes, rich parents, a lifetime cultivating a fanbase or being the early bird. Either way /ic/ is not gonna make it in patreon.
Alright, what now? Back to paypal donations?

>>2862753
She would not have accepted it in private, she considered it rude to draw over her drawing when she said she didn't want any critiques. At least in public, you can see her bitchy reaction.

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have some b-rated artists that aren't popular but being called at for being a manipulator and a lying cheat to others

>>2862057
I think its a case of they seen the ripoff's art first somewhere

>>2855151
Wait, what? I just follwed her on ig just recently. What did she do exactly?

>>2864025
Read the fucking thread

>>2861328
LOL that critique. Is he the /ic/ shitposter?
The critique img is a fuck and looks so uninteresting. Loomis meme in a nutshell. Fucking why would you remove those cheeks? Now it looks like a he.
Also the eyes are OK. More probably he should have fixed that mouth and nose because most of the time it's the problem.
>starts talking about perspective of the face
WTF the horizon is ABOVE the head of the subject that's why the cheeks appeared like that/

>>2861328
That guy's fucking dense

>>2864746
>>2864747
Hi Cyarin.

>>2864746
>>2864747
more dense and autistically retard like you?

>>2861736
this girl is broken