whats the best way to learn to draw if you want to develop your

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like what? do you want to be unique? thats fucking gay senpai

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>>2829179
Keep on experimenting, do bizarre things all the time, yet also practice the fundamentals.

With experimental art, color is the most important. How you play with color will determine your own artistic and visual style that sets it apart from other people's.

Try to think of new ways to visualize things like face, body, hand, and other parts of the body, as well as every day objects and scenes.

>>2829179
Also, know that experimental art involves more painting than drawing. There is only so much you can do with line works and cross hatching, but with thick strokes you can build up a lot of abstraction and play conveniently with color.

>>2829179

first step: research what you think is beautiful
second step: learn to do it

>>2829185
>do bizarre things all the tim
Literally how cumbum thinks the avant garde works

Wow

>>2829188
Such bullshit

>>2829188
also proof that chunbum doesnt know than drawing can involve tiles and not only lines.

>>2829185
>>2829188
>Cumbum giving advice

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life

>>2829179
learn to draw from life, learn construction, learn what everyone needs to learn

there's no shortcut or getting around it, doesn't matter what style you want to paint in. picasso was academically trained.

then you can abstract from that knowledge base. also study the work of other artists you like, do master studies or try to copy their techniques. a style isn't something that comes out of a vacuum, it's a synthesis of all you have learned from various sources.

>>2829233
You can force abstraction with drawing too, but it's just not as natural and instinctive.

With painting it comes naturally at the moment. With drawing (with exception of charcoal, lithographic crayons, and pastels), you really have to plan abstract shapes ahead of time, and the result becomes artificial. With charcoal and lithographic crayon, there is no color, which is important to abstraction as color adds an extra dimension and depth to the forms, so pastel, which avails color, is closest you get to painting with drawing.

>>2829237
Hey experimental and abstract figurative art is my own territory. It's my forte and strong point. I know what I am talking about.

You have to learn to fail in order to succeed in the long run. You have to learn to fall in order to walk. You have to learn what not to do to figure out what to do.

>>2829290
>You have to learn to fail
Well you're years ahead of everyone on /ic/ in that regard.

Try out all sorts of different things in order to find your own voice.

Try painting the same painting for 2 months, like I did.

Be inspired by repetitive movement in forms and colors found in structures and places, and derive a style that captures that movement.

Try to defy color theory and the typical approach to color (such as warm for highlight and cool for shadow), like Frank Auerbach did. Mix them up and find grey areas and manipulate and force things onto the canvas that are impossible in nature.

Try to paint or draw the same face in 50 different ways, each with different style, line work, or color scheme.

The list of things to do can go on and on

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>>2829293
And guess what? I've improved by a million miles, way ahead of every single one of you on this board, Brian included. My art is true experimental art.

>>2829299
>le primitive drawing meme
why do artists do this

>>2829286
There are many ways to add color to a drawing and color isn't essential to abstraction anyway. This entire post is nonsense.

I forgot to mention that the best thing you can do to yourself as an experimental artist is to develop a new visual language that is your own invention. If you do that, everything else will come about naturally, including what to paint and draw, how to paint and draw, where, when and why.

Develop your own unique style as an experimentation of the visual language!!

>>2829313
It really depends what kind of abstraction you are talking about. If you are saying Franz Kline, then of course color isn't essential, but if you are talking Piet Mondrian or Kandinsky, then color is extremely crucial.

Without experimentation with color, much of 20th century modernism and avant garde art would have been impossible.

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>>2829185
chunbum if you cropped that painting like this it might actually be pretty good

>>2829334
Thanks for the suggestion. You might be right!

>>2829299
Not really, if you remove the years they all still look like the same crap.

You're a failure both as a draughtsman and an artist.

>>2829342
That's your opinion.

>>2829299
Why is 2011 your best year?

>>2829430
degenerative illness

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>>2829299
you started out promising, then got slowly worse and worse over time. as opposed to me, who started out horrible, and got better and better as the years went on.

People aren't looking for more abstract artwork. They're looking for someone like me who continues to get more complicated rather than more simple.

But you fell for the meme. And theres nothing any of us can do to help you. You went for what's popular instead of what's going to be popular.

It might have helped you starting out that you were talented, but the world is going to be more interested in the artistic underdog story, which I am in spades.

Just imagine where I'll be in 3-4 years.

>>2829442
and to answer OP, just draw a lot with the goal of improving. Draw from life a lot, but focus on small victories rather than masterpieces. Just try to get each individual line right. Don't erase and fiddle with it til its right, look at a line, draw the line, move onto the next one. Each line you draw is an attempt. Your goal is to eventually be able to look at any line and draw it exactly how it looks.

You can't get that kind of feedback loop of looking at it and comparing it to what you just drew when you draw from imagination. You'll learn to draw what is in your head by learning to draw what is in front of you. And style just comes with experience. You probably already know how you want your artwork to look, you just need to be accurate enough to make it happen which you will get from life drawing.

Oh look it's another cumbum/brian thread. Everyone feels sorry for you insecure manchildren, but you're both too autistic to recognize it.

Hallucinogenics.

I suggest DMT, Salvia and San Pedro cactus.

>>2829442
>they're looking for someone like me
> but the world is going to be more interested in the artistic underdog story, which I am in spades.
>Just imagine where I'll be in 3-4 years.

So are you false-flagging or can we add another self-inflated narcissist to /ic/'s growing list?

>>2829552
im not a narcissist im just experienced. everyone on this board is more talented than me, which if it wasn't 2017 I would just quit. But getting better is in right now.

Okay I take that back... Being in the middle is in right now. Talent doesn't necessarily matter like it used to... thats why women are so desired in every field right now is because all the talented men lost their talent because of technology and ease of living (they got soft), and all the untalented men are still insecure about themselves.

Im an untalented loser who realized my value to the art world. Once women and illustration lose their appeal to the public the focus will be on men again, but not because of our abstract artwork like Chunbum is trying to perpetuate but because we are making art like they used to when men were more manly (think 1500-late 1800s)

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>>2829442
Abstract experimentation is the highest endeavor in visual arts. It's not necessarily about complex vs simple. It's about abstract experimentation vs non-abstract. You can get good experimental art from both simple and very complex styles.

And there is a great deal of complexity to many of my recent pieces, but they just aren't showing in those small pixels of the progress image.

Can your style ever achieve something that is not only complex like this, which took 2 months to complete, but also harmonious in terms of color, discordant in terms of form, and readable overall?

>>2829582
you're very far up your own ass.

doodle, draw from observation, draw from imagination, look at a lot of art but don't necesarilly copy it all the time

>>2829299
>>2829442
FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT!

>>2829442
these drawings have all the personality of a textbook illlustration.

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keep drawing and stop being a fag. look at other poples art and go to measums. seriously, seeing art in person is hella crucial. also stop being a fag

>>2829721
Cumbum = Phantom Menace
Brian = Force Awakens

And both think they're Empire Strikes Back.

>>2829442
do you have a blog or a deviantart brian?

>>2829582
i think it looks like shit

art should be a product of your life experiences

ART IS PAIN

>>2830606
You probably don't understand what makes this painting so good.

This painting is all those things and so much more

does anyone have a serious answer

>>2830668
there are several good answers in this thread. stop begging to have your hand held the entire way and get to work.

>>2830672
does anyone have a good answer?

>>2829299
jesus christ this is shit but the asuka one made me kek

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>>2830740

>>2830760


That....really made me think. Thanks.

>>2830740

>>2829264
>>2829451
>>2829728

>>2829559
sexist?

>>2829442
>opposed to me who got better
>They're looking for someone like me
>artistic underdog story, which I am
This is satire, right?

>>2831678
No, Brian is actually an autistic narcissist.

>>2829179
>rather than copy a predefined style such as manga or photorealism.
Learn "realism", then abstract it will expand what you can do.
Even in the technical learning stage you can apply your own style as long as you understand it, which most people don't because they are too unique to follow le predefined paths
>>2829299
>tripfag
>copy "paints" the meme artists from last decade
Just fuck off.

>>2832104
I don't understand what this dude is saying.

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>>2829599
i second this. like fuck man, shut the fuck up!!

>>2829559
i dunno, i follow more badass female artists than male ones.

>>2829442
ur 2017 perspective is still fucked up lol

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>>2829204
dope. would buy.
>>2829205
ok.
>>2829187
beh.
>>2829253
neat.
>>2829299
2014 was better
>>2829185
agree with
>>2829334

>>2829582
looks like a migraine. way overdone. that isn't harmonious. hurts to look at in a bad way/10

>>2830988
You are on 4chan soo Yes

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>>2832251
I see your new here welcome!!