Redpill me on Schoolism /ic/. Valuable resource for the learning

>>2824330

it's just $15 see for yourself you have nothing to lose

>>2824351
0.02 cents has been deposited on your account

>>2824358

get a job faggot

bobby isn't paying me (enough)

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>>2824330
No. Its stupid. Paying for an art school is just for people who lack the discipline to be self taught and are falling for an outdated. Theres literally no reason too. Actual animation studios are hiring people that just post animations on youtube now of days.

If you want to invest money on art, buy some high quality 3d models. Not to shill, but just look at this pic. Imagine how beneficial this would be to a beginner. You can look at muscle movements at any angle and adjust lighting.

You can also by the ecorche app on android, which is just $5, and is really helpful for anatomy.

Another thing you could do is buy some art books. Not just anatomy books, but some high quality japanese art books so you can support the industry and look at cool stylized shit.

And as for painting, there are so many fucking tutorials and methods out there. Why stick to only one method with a price?

>>2824362
>high quality japanese art books
spotted the weeb, japanese dont do anything except overdesigned garbage that panders to brainlet teenagers

>>2824362
lol

>>2824362
>No. Its stupid. Paying for an art school is just for people who

aren't poorfags like yourself who can't afford quality education to get better faster than their underclassmen. Anyone serious about their craft won't mind spending money on education to get ahead.
>buy artbooks
I don't disagree with that. Why not both? or all 3?

>>2824367
I can just feel the intelligence and maturity emanating from your post -_-

>>2824362

>super flexed quads with bent legs mid air

shit anatomy confirmed

I wish the subscription included recordings of the portfolio reviews that Craig Mullins does.

>>2824351
I could lose $15 though.

>>2824451

you can also lose my dick in your face

>>2824489
haha gottem

>>2824330
Art schools are a meme, online art schools even more. If you are curious, have the time and have the money. Try it, otherwise, don't bother. There are a already a ton of tutorials online for art.

download a torrent

>>2824330
Couldn't agree more OP.

Cancelled my schoolism membership, sold my tablet, and threw away all of my sketchbooks.

Such a waste of time. And for what? It's completely unnecessary and serves no purpose.
Art is not needed, especially in today's society where the intellect, personality, and face reigns supreme.

To be honest, the "artistic lifestyle" seems almost like a childish endeavour at this point, and I don't mean any disrespect, but it seems like the most serious artists (asides from guys who are legit conceptartists/illustrators/porn artists but they represent a very low % of dedicated lifters) are also the people with nothing else going on in their lives.
I know this was true with me, I was biggest and most serious about drawing when I was still in uni, working only 15 hours a week, and pretty much just plucking around all the time, going out, with no real life.
To all you kids out there who are getting sucked into the comerical art , try to stop yourself.
So long as you have and maintain decent facial aesthetics, you'll be fine.
Art just not worth it.

Cheers.

>>2824505
MEMES

>>2824362
Why not teach yourself AND go to school? You know, because it gives you both a degree and a headstart.

>>2824517
>headstart
Fuck no. You do realize how schools work? They have no idea what specific strength and knowledge an ideal individuals skill level is so they have to average it out. So, even though you could be an ic junkie of 5 years, youd be treated as someone who just learned to draw a line. And if you think, "WELL ANON, WHY NOT JUST START FROM SCRATCH AGAIN AND BUILD YOURSELF UP!?!" than dont reply to me, because you're a special kind of retard.
>degree
No one cares about degrees unless you come from the top universities. But even then, they still look at everyones portfolio to judge. Its all about building a good portfolio to get a job, and you can build one much faster without school. The one good thing about school is that you can build connections. But thats not really as powerful as you think and only happens to a select few. Do you honestly think a quiet autist from ic is going to appeal to a mass crowd of people?

>>2824367

>overdesigned garbage that panders to brainlet teenagers

I assume you aspire to creat great works that will be admired by the upper classes.

>>2824530
tl;dr "I'm poor" is what I gathered.

>>2824505
Take a look around you.
Chances are you're in a house.

Guess what someone designed your house. Someone designed your computer. Someone designed your clothes. You know that tablet? I'm sure there was a small team who designed the look of that.

ANYTHING that you see, touch, use has literally been someone elses design.

You know those cubicles that you're going to be stuck in for 40 years? Someone designed that too. Your favorite movie? A bunch of creative teams built that.

To say that art isn't important is to be completely ignorant to the world you exist within. Anything you interact with: the chair you sit in, the desktop UI, any game you can think of, product packages, clothes, shoes, cars, houses, weapons, utility items, utensils, your bed...Everything has been created by an artist.
Art is literally everywhere, and yet you choose to leave this world where your ideas are not only valued, but consumed by the public. Artists create trends, styles, and brands. While just developing pretty illustrations is totally fine, an artist can literally be the creator of anything. UX designers literally create experiences. It may not seem like art, but you are still creating the way someone interacts with something else.

I'm sorry you have to go, and you won't be missed. Sure artists arent going to cure cancer, nor are we going to mix chemicals together. But artists create experiences, and that alone is much more powerful in the long term.

Art is worth it, but it isn't for everyone. Peace man, go into business management or head towards med school. Art can be compared to these other professions because of the amount of training and influence it has on the world. Anything else and you'll be REALLY wasting your life.

>>2824558

got me to think

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>>2824556
Thats it asshole, you unleashed the beast.

I literally own over 500 dollars worth of artbooks and collector items and im the single child of a family that makes over 700k a year. Why im not going to shitty artschool? Because ill use the money i make from my business job to a buy one of dem $1000 dollar tablets you draw directly on. btw, just had my first internship at my dad's lawfirm. Have fun with those student loans at your shitty art school. Im sure you're that rising star out of the hundred thousand other students! Btw, at my college, there are asian girls all over the place. What do you have, tumblr sjw fatties?

kys casual scum. Never fucking brag to people about being rich or make fun of the poor when were on an art board you dumb fucking queer.

Not that you'd believe me anyway. Go ahead and deny my wealth, whatever helps you sleep at your crappy college dorm on your cup noodles diet.

>>2824568
I can't hate an anon that posts Rachel. But I really do hate you, so I'm giving you a 24 hour pass on my hate list just this one time.

You're still a faggot.

>Have fun with those student loans at your shitty art school.

You misunderstand. Online school is cheaper. I use Beathany College Art and Design and CGMA which is less than 20k a year. I will agree with you the expensive schools are truly a meme but having a teacher to slap your ass is vital to improving.

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>>2824572
No, its fucking retarded because >>2824362 and >>2824530. Are you really trying to convince me online school is a good investment. Do you know how much me and my dad laugh about art school already? At least at art school you're working first hand with instructors, online art school is the bottom of the low. No serious degree. All it just tells me is that you're a fucking retard that is incapable of learning on your own, so you waste over a 1000 dollars just to lie to yourself about improving. AND YOU SPEND OVER 10k ARE YOU FUCKING SERIOUS!? Thats just criminal there. You know how much of that money could go to charity and you're just spending it on your ego?

Ive heard about so many fucking people that were hired from a company with no formal training, let alone an online art school.

Oh, and guess what? Ive actually torrented the fuck out of these online art schools years ago. cgma, gnome, schoolism, all that shit. Theres literally nothing amazing about what they say. Its all the same recycled shit from loomis, except with some boring asshole explaining things. And the painting tutorials? Fucking kill me. You'd learn more from studying a sakimichan painting.

>I can't hate an anon that posts Rachel. But I really do hate you, so I'm giving you a 24 hour pass on my hate list just this one time.
What the fuck can you even do? You're worthless. You think rachel would like a poor dumbass like you? You fucked up majorly in life. I hope you learn from your errors and spend your time more wisely you stupid fuckup. Remember, I am better, smarter, and younger than you. I own you. Never call me poor again asswipe.

*kicks you in the chin*

>>2824330
>Redpill

>>2824572
What classes have you taken at CGMA senpai?

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>>2824578
Sorry, kid, Rachel is beyond your league. You can't even drink yet. You're still pampers and living with Daddy. She prefers a >>man<< who knows what he wants and does not blame the system for their failures (like you).
>Are you really trying to convince me online school is a good investment.
You don't need convincing as it seems you've already made up your mind. Feedback on your work is important, otherwise it's like walking in a narrow dark hallway with sinkholes you have to jump over and you're given no flashlight. Because you're not a mature >>MAN<< such as myself, you cannot learn from authority like a teacher thus is why you blame the system.

10K is nothing, it's a piss in the bucket and hardly criminal...I aim to be in the industry before 26 and willing to take any measures to get there.

Remember, you're a failure and your dad thinks so, too.
>>2824582
I'm almost done with foundation track if anything.

>>2824489
Chiu isn't chill today.

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>>2824611
Ive literally drunk over 10 different beers, moonshine, red wine, white wine, gin, vodka, rum, and sake all in front of my dad. I dont drink at college much though, becauase im not a degenerate.

No its, not. Because we live in the age of the internet, where free online resources reign supreme.

Of course someone as retarded as you think spending 10k is no big deal. And it is disgusting. My family is huge on charity, we have a moto where if you dont use something for over a year, give it away, and get tax benefits!

>>2824611
FOUNDATION TRACK. HOLY FUCKING SHIT A FUCKING BEGINNER TRYING TO HAVE AN ARGUMENT LOOLOLKOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL. YOU'RE OVER 21 AND JUST A BEGINNER LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL!

I bet you cant even draw an arm yet. Literally cute. Anyway, heres a casual sketch i did a year ago while walking in a home depot. If you can't draw something from imagination at this level now, you're hopeless. I hate stupid fucks like you so much. You're type of failure that laughs at people younger than you but then get your ass handed when they make more than you. And so is this guy >>2824582

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>>2824568
lol, butthurt.

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>>2824633
butthurt? Do you even realize how outdated that term is now? That's pre 2010s tier.

Also, go ahead queer. Prove why my arguments are wrong. You're all beginner casuals, im bored doing finance hw. So go ahead. I hate you fucking losers so much because you're all a bunch fucking beginners, trying to get other beginners on the wrong track, like you did for me in 2012.

Also, may i remind you guys of how well your God proko draws from imagination?

You fucking beginners and your perspective box grinds. I could grind your casual asses into dog meat just using a 2 dollar stylus on my phone.

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>>2824568
literally pic related

>>2824628
Can you draw something now to prove your point? I mean, this one you posted is fucking bad.

>>2824628
> Because we live in the age of the internet, where free online resources reign supreme

lmfao you're too young to even remember the glory days of the web. You stupid kid. Your art is bad I don't even feel like wasting time typing out to make fun of you cause I'm at work anyway.

The turtle and the hare my friend. But in your case you will never outrun the turtle if that's your level of work. But I realize you're the same troll I talk to on a daily basis that does not draw and you're making shit up. Dumb kid haha.

"cheers" and have a good day

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>>2824568
some copypasta-worthy butthurt right here.

>>2824658
>>2824667
>>2824678
How pathetic, you're actually old enough to be around on the internet pre aol and you're doing stupid ass cg some shit? Ive been on the internet since 2006 and browsed 4chan in 2010.

No shit its bad, i did it while walking in 5 mins to post to a friend as a joke, but its better than anything you can make while spending an hour on. I could redline something 5x better.

Post your work you did a year ago. Go ahead? Oh what, you can't?

You're fucking dumbasshole who thinks being older makes you wiser and you should just fucking die.

Im only arguing just so other beginners fall for the trap and listens to literal retards like you and waste a bunch of money on useless shit. Online art schools is the biggest fucking scam ever. All you need are the classics like loomis and bridgman and self evaluation. These art schools are basically saying, "DURR. IM AN OLD WASHED UP FUCK THAT MAKES ONLY 50K A YEAR OFF OF TEACHING FIGURE DRAWING 101. EVEN THOUGH IM A GIANT FUCKUP, I AM STILL SMARTER THAN YOU AND CAN TEACH YOU DRAWING BETTER!"

Please, any 15 year old beginner lurking this thread. Dont listen to these dumb assholes who think spending 10k on a scam is good idea. Look at the result of proko's imagination drawing. Look at geniuses like Bahi who were self taught. Note how these guys literally cant refute, can't post work, and have the shittiest personalities in the whole world.

>>2824683

Is this the latest pasta?

>>2824683
Mate I just wanted to see if you progressed since last year, I'm not reading all this text.

>>2824683
Bahi was self taught? How? I don't even think you can find resources for those kinds of things.

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>>2824683
>Ive been on the internet since 2006

wat

>>2824568
This is gold. Save this anons

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>>2824718
Good. Save it. But make sure to copy the whole thread too so anons can see what wonderful counterarguments you dumbasses made, and how you just posted such good work that blew me away. Anyway, for those who actually do shitty online school, you're gonna end up like this pasta >>2824505

This is why i try not to argue with stupid people, because none of you can actually refute anything im saying or post sketches you did a year ago.

>>2824727
if so rich why you not enjoying life somewhere instead of posting on 4chan?

>>2824733
cause he a fake, avatar using ass, stupid ass, nigga

>>2824727
i 100% agree

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>>2824695
I didn't know that. Good to hear, I'm always looking for made-its who aren't the product of an overpriced university and he's a fine example.

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>>2824820
Glad you're inspired. You can become bahi yourself if you're dedicated. I actually have some knowledge in animation training. I hope I changed some dumbasses minds in these threads and those resources I talked about it in my first source are legit. But generally, the best advice I can give is i think is to try to draw everything you want the ability to draw, and really focus on ecorche and anatomy. I wish I could prove it to you all with my art, but, I'm too scared t b h plus don't want to risk my identity. Am more of writer than an artist, so I can't really focus a lot of time drawing, but I know a lot d/ic/ks can spend 10 hours a day.

Also, not even bahi. There's countless comic and manga artists who were self taught. Just look up the Frickin bios! Jack kirby is a famous one.

>>2824859
aww the babby is scarred about a wee little anon calling his work shit awww

how kawaii

>>2824859
> I wish I could prove it to you all with my art, but, I'm too scared t b h plus don't want to risk my identity.

>wants other people to post work but is "too afraid" to post his

-10/10. kys

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>>2824859
I'm the guy that made 'this' and I'm always looking for more artists to add on the pile to make a supplementary image with (just not very hard). Thanks again, I'll keep Jack Kirby in mind, but any other relatively famous artists that you can think of off the top of your head would be appreciated too.

>>2824884
How come Sakimichan and other illustrators aren't on this

>>2824362
>>2824884
Taking one or two online classes from working professionals in exactly the field you want to/already work in is completely different from going to some random ass school for four years and getting a degree from a bunch of career teachers with close to 0 working experience in the industry.

I watched through every video of fundamentals of character design, I recommend it the guy seems very knowledgeable and if you follow along with the assignments you will have a good time. Honestly 15 dollars is really cheap if you're serious about learning in comparison to some of the other options out there. The info provided on schoolism was actually at the same level or presented better than the CGMA classes I took and wasn't like super basic stuff but actually more in depth. Anyway you can watch all the videos you want but it doesn't mean shit if you don't follow along with the assignments and apply the things they talk about. It is helping me out so I actually do recommend it

>>2824362
whats a good 3d model like the one in your pic for z brush? I wanna use it for reference. do you guys know of any in cgpeers?

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>>2824628
>If you can't draw something from imagination at this level

10 min sketch, I actually go to an art school

>>2824914
I need to have them on record either talking about their schooling or lack thereof and I haven't really looked into any interviews of Sakimi and whether she talks about her education history or not. I'd gladly add her if I can find a topical 'sound byte' of hers.

>>2824921
Yes, I agree. Many of the artists I've looked into eschewed formal college, but quite a few of them nonetheless mention attending pay as you go art courses including instructed life drawing classes and the like-there is no shame in it. The overarching message is for amateur artists like ourselves to rally around good examples of self-taught and employed artists while doing anything we can to avoid debt.

I'm not necessarily advocating never spending a dime on our art education (I attend an atelier myself), rather I'm advocating that we work to ensure that our money goes as far as possible, and I'm championing the idea that what money we do spend primarily circulates amongst other artists rather than non-artist executives.

>>2824962
Is this b8? That is really bad for someone over the age of 18 that is looking to pursue an art career.

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>>2824966
Well I am a professional and I did go to art school. I got scholarships so I'm not in debt. I don't regret going because going to the right school can give you connections that can land you jobs you otherwise wouldn't have gotten. If there aren't good jobs local to the school you're going to, that takes away one of the main reasons to go.

There are definitely pros and cons to going to school, there is no right answer to the question, it depends on a bunch of factors and the personality of the person in question.

What I will say is that I've learned a lot from online classes and I still take them from time to time. I've found them very helpful in expanding my skills and learning things that I really struggle with.

>>2824984
>I got scholarships
Were they grade related

>>2824986
Yes, grades at the school as well as portfolio.

this fucking board lmao

>>2824330
They look like every bait "art course" out there, not saying they aren't good, but to me they look like something that won't teach you new things.

OP here. So the consesus is, there is no consensus.

I guess I'll just drop $15 for a month, I guess that's like the price of one decent anatomy book anyway.

>>2826393
Report back how good it is

>>2824884

Stephen Silver has a class on Schoolism. This infograph also only has 7 artist out of the hundreds of thousands that want to do this for a career. I don't think your statistics on why going to art school is viable since there are many brick and mortar schools that offer classes with working professionals. It's a sensational attack on an industry that's not as black and white as other schooling routes are, idk why people praise this image as much as they do.

>>2824962

going to an art school means nothing if you play league of legends all day long, stop being stupid.

>>2826393

the consensus here is that everyone is a fucking slav and can't understand half of what the schoolism teachers say in their videos. it's well worth the $15 a month if you're going to be serious about working towards a career every day of your life. start with the lighting class,

nathan fowkers color and light class is invaluable for $15 a month

fundamentals of lighting with nielson is god-tier information

creature anatomy with whitlatch is a steal, something you slavs would understand.

if you spend 1 month on each of those, you might get work done instead of shitposting on 4chan.

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>>2826922
You misunderstand. My intent in those posts was not to attack Schoolism.

I strategically put Steven Silver at the very bottom of that image because he was the only quoted artist who'd not only ended on a very upbeat note but had also emphasized having attended art classes and workshops of which websites like Schoolism or New Masters Academy, Ateliers and other pay-as-you-go options represent.

>It's a sensational attack on an industry that's not as black and white as other schooling routes are

In my mind it's very simple:

The art school industry deserves to be attacked, critiqued and exposed until their tuition rates plummet, the standards of their curriculum are raised and their admissions staff start mercifully turning away not-gonna-make-its instead of using them like minerals in Starcraft.

This is an idea that I feel everybody can get behind.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIxFiNCtHVc

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>>2824367
>overdesigned garbage
yeah haha ok

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>>2824367
here's some more overdesigned garbage

>>2826967
>overdesigned
>isn't a fuckton of belts
You're terrible at this.

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>>2824367

>>2826970
so? it's character design
you can't bash a artist because of their nationality.

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>>2826970
you could say the same for european medieval art, but hey ic never talks about that.

>>2826965

But that's an uneducated blanket statement when you say that the entire art school industry is a problem. Yes, there are schools such as Art Institute and Full Sail that are legitimate scams and should be avoided at all costs. On the other hand, the brick and mortar schools that have popped up that specify in design and art foundation training are being lumped together by your statement.

http://bigbadworldofconceptart.com/recommended-resources-education-schooling/

has a really good list of schools you should look into and why, there's even link at the bottom leading to a ranking of the best schools to attend and their purpose.

Education is changing a lot for art, nothing is the same as it was five years ago. The bottom line will always be "do the work, git gud" or quit, schooling just makes it easier if you find the right people giving the right information.

>>2827007
>Art Institute
What is wrong with these guys seriously
They're everywhere, but it seems only some of their programs are bad, like fashion. But for games, it's not.

>>2827009

You pay an ass-load of money and get charged out the ass for art supplies each semester and the teachers will leave class within the first hour of class. I have a theory that any school advertising for you to attend such as ITT Tech, AI, FullSail, Phoenix, etc. are all business model schools dedicated to charging you as much as possible while providing the worst education possible.

>>2827007
>the top-heavy art school industry isn't a problem
>just look at this list of barely over a dozen schools!

>Art Center: $48,000
>Ringling: $38,000
>Syn Studio: $30,000
>Gnomon: $80,000
>LAAFA: $31,000
>Pratt: $45,000
>RISD: $47,000
>Gemini: $73,000
etc.

All things considered, I regret nothing. If a handful of staggeringly expensive but otherwise "good" schools get lumped in with the Slade and the like it's no great loss. The sooner artists return to the more intimate, ethical and traditional methods of teaching and training-those that come in the form of pay as you go courses, apprenticeships and ateliers-the better.

Remove the executives and other middlemen; the time artists once again took command of our own education and kept what money we are willing to spend on it within our own community has long since past.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vg14HPuXLOU

>>2827066

damn dude you sound delusional

>>2826966
>>2826967
so you are proving my point?

>>2826971
his art is one of the most boring stuff ive seen in my life. Same faces dont help it at all

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>>2827092
>a sober look at the exorbitant costs and utility of a formal art education in the current year, and how artists can ween themselves away from it is delusional

What the fr*ck did you just say to me...kid?

>>2827380
>exorbitant
>living in a shithole country where $48k-70k is a considered exorbitant

concept artists start out at 60 in an intro position, 80 if they are very good and 100+ if they are moving into a good studio. the money paid into a school that will get you from average to very good will be paid off within your first couple of years of work. i hope you get deported for being this stupid.

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>>2824330
>this thread
Well anyways, to answer your question: yes it is worth it. $15 is very cheap and you have access to the one-on-one session reviews that the teachers do for the other students that pay $1000 for the courses with live instruction. I got the gesture drawing with (forgot his first name) Woo and it helped me improve within the first week. Obviously if you don't put in the effort you won't get results, but you should know that already. It's not a school for absolute beginners but if you're intermediate it will help immensely.

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>>2827493
Holy fucking shit this pic.

>>2827493
What's so helpful that you improved within a week? The critiques? Or the explanations?

>>2827518
Both, also the lessons force you to do timed gestures

>>2827493
The site says each lesson is 12-13 weeks long, how does it work? You have to do exercises for a week then come back later for another video?

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>>2827390
>if I go to school 'x' I'm guaranteed a lucrative career among the top 10% of earners in an already over-saturated industry, unlike the other thousands of people that come out of art schools and end up unemployed or working some menial job; the dean of admissions told me he has a REALLY good feeling about my work

There are few guarantees in life. The goal of a more decentralized art education standard is risk management, less bureaucracy and less expense-not an inferior education. Art education is something that is already facilitated directly between artists exclusively, so the idea that how and where this is accomplished ought to be reevaluated and streamlined should not be overly frightening.

>>2827651
>other thousands of people that come out of art schools and end up unemployed or working some menial job
You ever think they weren't serious? And just there for fun? And don't count? Or do they even exist? I'm curious really. This fear mongering of failure when you really see their work and it's crap. If that's the case then they don't count towards being a person who worked hard and failed. They weren't good. Simple and straight.

>>2827640
The lesson I am doing is 8 weeks long but could easily be done in 4. You watch a 1-2 hour lecture (with 40 minutes of timed drawing), do the homework (3 hours long) and watch the feedback from the critiqued course students.

Ask yourself these questions:

a) Does the teacher look capable? Is his work actually good?

b) Does it look like it will provide information that you are able to use?

c) That teacher is going to relay that infromation to you. Is that worst the price of admission?

You are teaching yourself, online "schools" are just another rescource for you. Nobody will carry your ass.

>>2827952
This. The worst thing is not having no one to guide you. It's learning from a shit teacher. Learn from shit teacher you absorb all his shit habits.

>>2827969

If he/she is better than you than you then so be it. You don't have to learn from the lord Jesus Christ of art to get good. But make sure to have a trained eye for good art to spot shit so a shit teacher won't fuck you up.

>>2827969
If you're shit, then there's a good chance you're shittier than that teacher, so take what he teaches you then hop to another teacher. Repeat until hit top tier.

>>2827665

No shit. Thousands will get into art school right out of high school cause they play overwatch and want to work at Blizzard. The reality is they have no experience drawing aside from their manga sketches (but they are really good and will become a game developer). They get into one of these top tier schools and the first week, Scott "pussy-slaya" Robertson shows them chapter 1 of his "How To Draw" fundamentals book and suddenly that fanfic they drew out of Naruto and Sauske having a child and naming it Goku isn't looking too hot. They go into a deep depression for about a week and try to score some weed at a local dive bar in south LA. Jokes on them though, it's Oregano. They don't know the difference and end up rolling their first "joint" and end up in the ICU because they inhaled some dog shit that was mixed in the joint they tried to smoke. About two months into the program, they haven't made any progress towards trying to learn photoshop but they've made it to silver 1 and are in their promos to gold 5. Around this time, they've skipped class for two weeks straight, putting all their time into getting mastery 5 with Draven. They're already set on this school being full of shit-tier teachers since they didn't become the Craig Mullins they thought buying admission on daddy's credit card was going to get them, so next week they're going to the adviser's office to complain and drop the program.

But no, all art schools are shit and you shouldn't put your money into any education cause it's all a scam. No professional knows anything and they just want your money, even though AAA studios have more money than god to pay their employees.

>>2827651

what are you talking about? the only reason some of these schools exist is because the pros got tired of seeing schools like AI. do you even know the history behind some of these design schools or are you just talking out your ass?

>>2827983
Why does this sound too surreal?

>>2828038

because it's how this board was formed.

>>2827983
>>No shit. Thousands will get into art school right out of high school cause they play overwatch and want to work at Blizzard. The reality is they have no experience drawing aside from their manga sketches (but they are really good and will become a game developer). They get into one of these top tier schools and the first week, Scott "pussy-slaya" Robertson shows them chapter 1 of his "How To Draw" fundamentals book and suddenly that fanfic they drew out of Naruto and Sauske having a child and naming it Goku isn't looking too hot. They go into a deep depression for about a week and try to score some weed at a local dive bar in south LA. Jokes on them though, it's Oregano. They don't know the difference and end up rolling their first "joint" and end up in the ICU because they inhaled some dog shit that was mixed in the joint they tried to smoke. About two months into the program, they haven't made any progress towards trying to learn photoshop but they've made it to silver 1 and are in their promos to gold 5. Around this time, they've skipped class for two weeks straight, putting all their time into getting mastery 5 with Draven. They're already set on this school being full of shit-tier teachers since they didn't become the Craig Mullins they thought buying admission on daddy's credit card was going to get them, so next week they're going to the adviser's office to complain and drop the program.
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>But no, all art schools are shit and you shouldn't put your money into any education cause it's all a scam. No professional knows anything and they just want your money, even though AAA studios have more money than god to pay their employees.

projecting this much

>>2829017

I see it every time someone new approaches me about becoming a concept artist.

>>2827066
You aren't considering that some of those schools prices are for the entire program (syn studio and gnomon) a more accurate list would have the 4 year colleges at around $180000-$2000000

>>2829151
200000* i added a 0 by mistake

>>2824362
This is some good bait.

>>2829121
>>2829017
Same, but what I usually see is some early 20s steam gamer who sees the art used in the EPIC MUSIC COMPLIATION VIDEOS on youtube as well as some "leaked" art for a jrpg and decide they want to work for blizzard and draw animu shit, but realize that they can't make it, so they decide to become a programmer and make a decent wage and decide to do "art on the side" and end up doing some shit work for a shitty steam early access open world MINECRAFT WITH GUNZ AND MORE REALISITIC GRAPHICS DAYZ clone survival game built on the unity engine, which never leaves early access and adds to the cesspool that is indy game development

>>2830059
>tfw not sure if anon just spoiled the future
I will make it though, so this probably isn't a problem.

>>2830060

post your work

>>2824330
>>2826393
Just pirate it you mong, watch a course or two and then decide if you want to give them your money or not.

>>2830162
It's easier to ask you guys though.

>>2827805
That seems like a lot for $1000
CGMA is $700, but you get lectures, crits, and a one hour QA with the teacher.

>>2830233

I honestly don't know why I spend money on CGMCuck am not even impressed with the student work gallery. They do cherry pick to showcase on artstation but I have no idea why 98% of the student work is ass. Lack of ethic?

>>2830661

Same reason you talk about other people's art work when discussing a class, because you're an idiot. The idea isn't to compare yourself to everyone else in class. Your only point in taking the class is to get better for yourself, not to see who comes out on top at the end of the semester. Look at whoever's teaching the class, their work, your work, and then back to their work. There's a reason you aren't teaching the class or developing the designs required to work in this industry. Get off of 4chan and go paint.

>>2830677
>The idea isn't to compare yourself to everyone else in class

I disagree. I use this as a measure to see if someone else is working harder than me that I need to worker harder than them. Simple as. Besides the best work gets featured which is a give the mouse a cookie bonus.
>There's a reason you aren't teaching the class
takes no skill to teach, any moron can do it with a little bit of technical knowledge. I've sold tutorials already and made money.

>>2830684

Oh woah, you sell tutorials, you sure know your stuff. Man, you're right up there with Scott Eaton and Craig Mullins. Sorry, Mr. Badass.

>>2830698

Heh, I'm glad you are aware of my badassery. Now kneel before me and shine my blade with your tongue. Make sure not to get any spit on it or I'll chop off the cord beneath it.

>>2824505
>Cancelled my schoolism membership, sold my tablet, and threw away all of my sketchbooks.

still lurks /ic/ trying to give shit info

>>2824330
No i agree with below
>>2824362
Art school is a complete waste of money if you know exactly where you see yourself in a few years. Otherwise go ahead. I went to Ringling for a year, Jesus christ what a whgopping waste of money, i learned more from a youtube tutorial from some of my favorite artists in the industry in 30 mins, rather than going to these awful 3 hour classes of "professionals" that only want you to do art how THEY tell you to, you never have freedom until maybe late Junior/early senior year. It's complete bullshit.

>>2831042

no, thats a new copypasta

>>2831066
>Art school is a complete waste of money if you know exactly where you see yourself in a few years.
>sees myself being the second coming of Sakimichan
Well?

>>2831066


Well yes, it's called learning your fundies. Every single professional artist has done it and you would be no exception if you weren't an idiot.

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