So /ic/ Color Theory I just don't understand. Like.. I

>>2822561
What do you want to get good at?
Rendering?
Color selection?
Shading?
Digital painting?

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>>2822576
Everything really.

But I guess in this case, lets start with the basics of color selection.

That along with digital painting. I've been starting to watch paints and speed draws to get a sense of what other digital artists do.

>>2822561
your main issue is that you are polishing turds. stop thinking about color theory and start thinking about perspective, construction and gesture.

>>2822561
1. line/edge
2. values
3. colors

Improve in 1 and 2 before 3.

>>2822561
>>2822576
>>2822580
Ok.
Rendering:
magnet:?xt=urn:btih:d284ed1558479b5f85e1f1915d426ea934220352&dn=Scott%20Robertson%20-%20How%20to%20Render%20-%20The%20Fundamentals%20of%20Light%2c%20Shadow%20and%20Reflectivity.pdf
Color selection:
https://color.adobe.com
Shading:
http://bookzz.org/book/588794/dd6d73
Digital painting:
vkDOTcomSLASHdoc4043932_410550271?hash=bb43cefd66b2639318&dl=e2712e4cd5a66a27ca

You should try and get your fundamentals down first tho.
Like >>2822581 said, there is a lot of room for improvement.
If you want to do simple doodles like these, a begginer book like drawing with the right side of the brain and keys to drawing + a figure drawing book like loomis or hoggart Dynamic figure drawing, should do the trick.

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>>2822589
Can you define what you mean by line/ edge and values?

>>2822590
Awesome, I'm gonna check these out.

As for the books, I have a few, but I've never been good at gleaning info out from books like that. Any exercises you recommend to go with the books?

>>2822595
Trust me m8.
You are going to do oly the exercises in those books, because anyone that has gone trough a drawing book know how fucking hard can it be.

In books that don't have the exercises pointed out, I recommend just doing what that page (or lesson) is explaining at that moment.

>>2822595
Line and edge is line art and deals with proportions, perspective, and etc. Value is shading, different objects have different reflective properties.

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>>2822610
So now, I use Paint Tool SAI.
Have any useful guides or tips for different brush strokes or textures I should use to accomplish these different properties?

As for line and edge, I've seen so many different variations done that are appealing, how can there any one "right" way of doing it?

>>2822613
Yes there is a better way to draw lines and bad way to draw lines. The bad way is to have the line weight be the same everywhere in the drawing. The good way is to have your edge and lines be lost somewhere and found elsewhere depending on the object being drawn. For example, when drawing fur, you don't want to connect every line. Instead us a bunch of tick marks to convey the edge/line of fur.

I do traditional stuff, so I can't give advice on digital brush techniques.

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>>2822632
But what about stuff like this?
I do get what you're saying, with varying line weight, but maybe this has its own stylistic significance?

As for "lines being lost somewhere and found elsewhere," I belive you're describing a "implied line."
And while that is one aspect, I don't think focusing on that alone will help me improve my lienart on a whole. (In fact, the first and only thing that comes to mind is areas of a drawing where the light hits the surface of an object, and you omit the line to designate a light value)

So you made a topic on /co/ and posted all your work and didn't get the responses you wanted so you do it here?

Did you ever stop and think maybe your art isn't worth its own topic?

>>2822847
Why are you bumping it to the front page you smartsie pants

>>2822849
>if i avoid the question it's like i wasn't called out

alright then, i'll sage every single post from now on.

>>2822847
Hey there fellow /co/ anon.

I wasn't looking for art advice on /co/. I was looking for a show that /co/ was able to find. for me. And I had free content with which to bump the thread with.

Why do you think the world is such a horrible place?

>>2822889
Why do you think your art warrants bumping off two threads on two different boards rather than just posting in the beginner thread to begin with and asking for advice?

Why do you think you're somehow above etiquette?

>>2822890
Wehlp, you caught me anon, I guess I'm just some kind of terrible person.

Lock me up in Internet jail. You got me.

>>2822891
>If I act sarcastic, somehow that absolves me of everything! Aren't I so cute? ^_^ rofl internet police!

Nice shilling, nice shit attitude, and your art will never improve since all you're looking to do is get attention with it and asking about color theory when you barely know the basics about construction. You don't have the eye for self improvement and you never will, especially with your shit attitude.

>>2822893
Hey my man, I came here to /ic/ to self improve, I wouldnt have posted here without any other intention, and I've already gotten some helpful tips from some awesome anons. I've already started reading a couple of the books suggested here, and I love that Adobe COlor Wheel one posted.

Had you considered the fact that the person with the shit attitude here is the one coming into the thread to call out some rando to tell them their art is shit and offer no constructive criticism, when that is all that is being asked for?

>>2822893
Also, according to Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain, everybody can have the the "eye for self-improvement." It's not something that one can "have or not have." They go over that in the Introduction.

It's a great book, you should pick it up yourself.

>>2822895
No, the person with the shit attitude is someone who tries to justify not scouring /ic/ for more than one minute enough to find this thread:
>>2821460
>Because we should not have to make new threads or post in draw threads with our fundamental exercises.

And this is on top of spamming their art on /co/ which isn't even the correct board for it and again trying to justify it with, "I just wanted to share something cool (my own art)".

>>2822898
Everybody can also sing, it doesn't make everyone a singer.

>It's a great book, you should pick it up yourself.
>Being this condescending
Yeah, I'm the one with the shit 'tude.

>>2822900
Again. On /co/ I was sharing free content to bump a request thread.

As for your comment on being condescending, again, YOU are the one coming in here, like you are the guardian of the rules of 4chan. You are the one trying to condescend someone else here. You should look up the word, "projecting."

>>2822900
Now, it has been fun spending my morning going back and forth with you on this useless banter, but I believe you've dragged this thread far off its original purpose.

I've got the links and the advice I needed. So I'm gonna bounce.

I hope you can enjoy yourself with whatever other person who has the misfortune to interact with your nasty asshole of an attitude.

>>2822909
>>2822910
>still justifying this hard

Yeah, never gonna make it.

Keep thinking your art is good enough to make threads about it, go on and on about how you clearly understand color theory you just don't understand it, and how you're so new you don't know the concept of line width and doubt its impact on changing a picture while suggesting to others basic art books you've clearly never read.

>>2822910
>I hope you can enjoy yourself with whatever other person who has the misfortune to interact with your nasty asshole of an attitude.
You've responded to every single one of my posts, idiot.

You're insulting yourself.

Holy shit you're dense.

Never gonna fucking make it.

>>2822638
you first master techniques and fundamentals, then you try developing a style (what you are showing here is a highly stylized illustration). it simply doesn't work the other way around.

if you want your colours to look nice you need to think more about what colours you want to use.

As a simple start I suggest limiting yourself to a stricter pallete by either making your own or following off someone elses (you can find some nice palettes off tumblrs dedicated to that stuff) I'd suggest making a collection of what colours work well together to establish a sense of what goes well together. keep in mind that value can also play a part in making colours fit in with one another and a lack in variation on value will make your colours look flat

Its very easy to go crazy with colours and end up with something that looks cluttered instead try to use colour to bring focus on your drawing.

please also study colour theory--or atleast the colour wheel-- to understand what youre doing. it might be more complicated than what i just said but when you understand the rules you can really begin to shine

>>2823388
OP here, thank you anon. That's very helpful advice.
I'll try starting with strictly one or two colors and vary only the value. I appreciate it!

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>>2823388
Alright anon, how does this look?
I've also applied a few things I read from Drawing from the Right Side of the Brain.

>>2823801
Better in a way but now youre just working in monochrome. Try adding another colour to make it more interesting. It doesnt have to be a palette of all orange you can try orange and blue, orange and red etc try planning what colours you want to use before you really colour stuff in either in a thumbnail or by making rough blobs on a seprate layer to see how they work.

Dont be scared of tweaking things and trying again and again until you have something that works. Both art and learning are processes that will take time

word of advice: an easy trick to making the whole drawing pop is to see it in greyscale to really see the values

>>2823801
>Continues posting in this thread rather than moving work to beginner thread

>>2823801
There's almost no contrast in the values.

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>>2823847
I figured monochrome would be a good basic thing to start with. But it does seem uninteresting still.

For the colors, you mean just comparing how they look next to one another? Which makes which look warm and such?

Also, >>2823854 is right, there doesn't seem to be much contrast. If you look at the image here, this is the scaler I'm using. If I detract value though, won't it look muddy? I've been told black is a terrible color to shade with

>>2823847
I changed the hue to be more blue on the hair and the background. It definitely helps it pop, but still needs something.

As for the grayscale stuff, I've seen that around before, and I've seen people get amazing results using those exercises.
What exactly are you supposed to do with that? just illustrate it entirely in grayscale?

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>>2823881
Forgot image.

>>2822910
NEVA GONNA MAKE IT

>>2823801
will you stop FUCKING POLISHING TURDS ALREADY!?
stop coloring the shit you call lineart.
learn proper fundamentals before you learn how to color.
FFS get your shit together dude.

OP, I'm wondering if you're conflating color theory with just rendering. I did that too when I was starting out.

>>2823881
The reason people get good results when they do greyscale first is because they have a solid foundation of values, and the colors are then easy to make sense of.

Make sure the values/hues you pick make physical (as in physics) sense. You can learn this by careful study, or dick around with 3D rendering for a while like I did.

For colors alone, honestly, just find some art you like and color-pick the palette. I did that, and eventually formed a sense for why it was done the way it was. Don't feel ashamed of it, its all a means to an end.

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>>2825015
So I was dicking around with some friends, and I've gotten an attraction to that blue-green color palette.

I'll try my next few drawings in greyscale and see what I can infer from it.

I also came across this nice video today that I found really helpful.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rYZLkW8Z78

You might like it too.

>>2825281
>that image
please go back to tumblr holy shit

>>2822561
is this your art? if yes then you got something going on for you, these faces made me laugh

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So I've tried applying a few of the things I've learned these past few days.

Thoughts /ic/?

>>2826909
Looks like you'd fit in with a lot of the cartoonists of 2010 on. A semi-painted look digital cartoon would actually be pretty cool these days.. Getting a bit tired of bold lines.

>>2826921
Yeah, I am really enjoying the painting feeling, might be going somewhere new with this.

But I feel like I still need more practice.

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I should practice some with grayscales.
The color theory advice has really helped me out though anons!
Thanks!

Why the hell do so many beginners come to /ic/ and immediately make a thread about themselves?

We're just gonna have another "been drawing one a day" thread that will never die.

>>2822583
>>2822584
Art blog please

>>2827600
I don't know and it's really fucking annoying. The concept of lurking is completely dead, if they'd looked for literally five seconds before going to post they'd find the beginner and alternative/stylization threads and wouldn't have to clutter up the board with their shit.

>>2828533
https://www.patreon.com/JimShawArt

https://twitter.com/JimShawArt
http://jimshawart.com/

>>2829032
samefagging, shilling piece of shit. GTFO idiot.
your art is worth 0.

>>2829032
Why do you have a patreon and who is goving you money? You're still beginner tier, not even saying that as an insult, I am honestly confused

>>2829046
I have a Patreon so that I can earn money doing what I love to do.
And people are giving me money because they do not all subscribe to the philosophy that /ic/ clings so dearly to that if someone is not absolutely AMAZING at something, then they are not worth supporting.

>>2829051
Like, I don't know if the people here on /ic/ realize this or not, but when famous people talk about all the people who told them, "no you can't do it," or "you'll never make it," they're talking about people like them.

>>2829051
I'm concerned you're focusing a lot more effort into advertising yourself than you are on improving your work, despite your claim in the op.

>>2829062
I'm not though.
Like... I was going to post my new work today, but >>2827600 makes a valid point. So I was going to let the thread die.

This guy >>2828533 just happened to ask me for my stuff.

>>2829067
>This guy
>Not just me samefagging

>>2829078
I don't think I'd want to willingly identify myself otherwise.
Not to the kind of people /ic/ attracts.

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>>2829053
And how many people become famous? A very small fraction of the population. Do you realize that means that most of the time the naysayers are right?

>>2829126
Aw man, I guess you're right, I'll just give up on my goals and dreams and spend the rest of my life shitting on other people.

>>2829137
This is why people like you don't make it. A smart hard working person would have the initiative to do some still lives and stop fucking whining on /ic/ asking about color when it's fucking all around you.

They would also realize when it's time to stop copying what generic tumblr artists do.

>>2829158
Bro, I asked a question.
I got an answer.

The only I'm still here is because I'm discussing it with you.
I see /ic/ as a resource, a community of other artists to discuss things and ask questions.

Honestly though, I should just stop posting, I forgot how slow /ic/ is, and there's no need to give it any space for people to shit post in.

That being said, MODS, feel free to let this thread die off, or delete it, or do whatever you do. I got the answer to the question I asked, there's no need for this thread to still be up.

>>2829158
Also, asking questions (not whining) is not a terrible idea, in fact, it's one of the fastest ways to learn things.

You should give learning a try.

Kind of how I learned that /ic/ is more full of people who want to shit on each other than help them.
(No offense to the helpful anons who did answer my questions and and offer useful advice)

>>2829164
>>2829166
>>2829164
>>2829166
Next time lurk more and you can avoid the shit posting. Right now to the majority of /ic/ you look like that one freak kid who doesn't know how to conform but expects everyone to accept them and throws sarcasm around when they don't. You've been asking for it.
I do learn and ask questions. Just where they're appropriate.
>>2813729 is where fundamental questions go, and for fucks sake put more effort into one piece and post that instead of dumping your whole fucking blog. You don't see every other Anon blog dumping, do you?

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>>2829137
I was just questioning your shitty logic. If I wanted to shit on you I'd say something like "Half of your characters faces make them look like they're getting anal for the first time".

Before you color, have a gray background. It will help you learn to mute colors

>>2829166
>>2829164
Bro, there's a time and a place for questions, /ic/ is already going to hell, last thing we need is every fucking noob posting their own thread wanting to stroke their original characters and post their patreon links while under the guise of "questions".

To the /beg/ thread with you.

>>2829166
>shit on each other
We shit on people who don't use their precious 2 seconds to look for the question thread in the catalog using the search function. We also shit on people who don't lurk more nor read the sticky.

>>2829232
gold. thank you anon

>>2822561
Jesus everything you do looks like spent 5 minutes on it. If literally every aspect of your art is sloppy then yeah your color choices are going to be sloppy too.

ITT: We now discuss how /co/ really has turned into tumblr.

I didn't want to believe it until seeing the generic tumblr artstyle and sass xdddd. What happened? Is it a good thing I went into illustration and not comics?

>>2831600
/co/ is tumblr and all other boards are reddit.

>>2822600
Where's her vagoo

>>2822584
crotch to ass is to close. ruins the body

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>>2822580