What are your thoughts on porn artitsts? What would be the

>>2804245
Who the fuck drew this? Fuck realistic boobs, I want my perky titties. There would be no point in 2D if it was exactly the same as 3D.

>>2804245
>What would be the reason to become one?
Wanting to draw porn?
Are fucking retarded?

>>2804245
>What are your thoughts on porn artitsts?
Some are good, some aren't.

>What would be the reason to become one?
Usually just so you can draw your sexual desires/fantasies or to make fat cash. I've seen shit artists getting like $100 for a drawing and they were pretty popular, too.

I started drawing because I couldn't find the porn I liked.

I'm shit, sadly. And it's a shallow motivation to begin with.

>>2804247
That is some of the most retarded shit I've ever read.
You think applying gravtiy and weight to a drawing automatically makes it look photorealistic?

>>2804245
>What would be the reason to become one?

when no one draws porn of your waifu

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>>2804245
>What are your thoughts on porn artitsts?
I don't mind drawn porn. Some are good, most are shit.

>What would be the reason to become one?
Sex sells easily. If you need money fast, porn is an easy way to get buyers. But there is no real room for business growth in it. That's why I'd say ignore it as a main focus and just make it a side thing. As I said, some porn artists are good but most are shit, yet they all can sell their work because it deals with sex and there are a lot of porn addicted people online devoid of real sexual activity.

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>What are your thoughts on porn artists?
Some are amazing, most are awful. I understand that with fetish art things go to the extreme, but drawing a penis as big as the whole torso or a tit like a huge, gigantic balloon just looks ridiculous and unappealing (example: picture, many people seem to like this anorexic balloon beast) but that's just me.
But anyway, I say that if you can make money off what you like doing, there's nothing wrong with it.
>What would be the reason to become one?
From my perspective, mostly money. People pay big cash for those things. I even thought of doing it myself
But as much as I like drawing bodies I don't like drawing lewds that much.

>>2804286
No such thing was stated, you dummy

>>2804245
I like figure drawing
I need the cash
Sexy designs are interesting

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>>2804375
>Sexy designs are interesting
>implying
They are more laughable than interesting. Porn doesn't really have anything legitimately interesting from a design perspective. Just be honest and say you like tits and ass. It's what sells the content. The most interesting "sexy designs" have nothing to do with full-fledged porn. Pic related, Bayonetta's design is slick, cool, and sexy, but she wasn't designed for a porn game. And funnily enough, despite her design being sexy as it is, there is barely any porn of the character in comparison to other "sexy", but god awful designs (ie Senran Kagura, Neptunia, the list goes on). Most porn consumers have terrible taste in design. That much is obvious.

>>2804247
>not thinking realistic breasts are better
>preferring balloons to actual goodness
not.
gonna.
make it.

>>2804377
Bayonetta's design is retarded honestly.

>>2804385
She's one of the only decent sexy designs in videogames. You want a retarded design? Look no further than dumb shit like Tifa Lockhart or Lara Croft. Bayonetta sets the bar high for sexy in games. Most sexy designs in games are complete trash.

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>>2804385
>2017
>not wearing clothes made of your own hair and weaponized stilleto boots

are you even trying?

>>2804377
>>2804391
What other designs do you think are on par with bayo?

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>>2804394

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>>2804394
2B from Neir Automata comes close, but she was designed by Akihiko Yoshida, who has great design sense in general, just like Mari Shimazaki. Most sexy designs in games aren't good, and sexy designs in porn are always 10 times worse.

>>2804398
Thanks anon I'm going to look them up.

can someone explain the waifu mentality? i've watched anime but never had what most people consider a waifu

>>2804407
>can someone explain the waifu mentality?
Being single and lonely. Being a virgin also helps.

>>2804245
>thoughts on porn artists?
none. though i cant imagine ever being turned on by my own art, or just sticking to porn drawings (id find it boring fast). good for them

>why?
money, fast fanbase, sex sells, because porn, its fun
is this even a question?

>>2804407
characters that, if they were real, youd marry or some shit. you just really really like them.
i dont understand the level of autism it reaches though

>>2804245
Incredibly low entry level where people are willing to pay higher money than the artist's relative skill leveled counterparts.
It's currently the one true place where almost anyone can put some effort in and get some money out of it.
If you don't make at least part time tier cash on porn after a few months of trying I would seriously tell you to consider drop out of art because if you don't make it there then you're really never EVER gonna make it.

>>2804245

I looked down on them and starting making some after I couldn't get freelance jobs. Karma is an ugly bitch.

>>2804467
>Incredibly low entry level where people are willing to pay higher money than the artist's relative skill leveled counterparts.
This. If you want to make any kind of money at all outside of porn you need to be:
-Well connected and have friends who can get you jobs
-Be in the top 1% of artists in terms of skill, efficiency and output
-Accept slave wages and work insanely fast to make slave wages worthwhile
If you don't fit into one of those three you may as well not even bother. It's so easy to make money with porn especially if you aren't opposed to "icky gross" stuff. Anyone who can't make money doing porn seriously needs to just quit art because the bar is so fucking low.

>>2804247
i knew degenerates were subhumans but this is too much, man

>>2804467
how would one go about it? just make accounts on popular sites and post shit? what if even then no ones able to find your work?
i know you have to have some skill level for a base but what if you are definitely better than some really shit artists that made it but still nothing?

testing

>>2804498
Not that guy but it's pretty damn simple.
1. Post often and update often, even if it's just a sketch. Don't worry about posting imperfect pieces.
2. Interact with community often in comments, take requests early on.
3. Post in as many places as possible. Pixiv, tumblr, DA, FA, 4chan, sadpanda, Twitter, etc. Wherever your art fits.
4. Don't act like an asshole.
Congrats, you just became a porn artist and should now be making money.

>>2804245
>what would be the reason to become one
Porn sells better than regular art if you're mediocre

If you're really fucking good artist, then you're sure to get a well paid job, but if not, then stick to drawing porn for the time being

Everybody likes drawings that tickle their pickle.

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I actually like some porn artist for their style rather than their porn.
For example, I like JJfrenchie's non-porn art just as his porn ones. It's his use of colors and inking that really gives a bit of "design" feel to it.

>>2804507
thanks senpai. im very anxious about whether i can do it
one more question, about how often is often?

>>2804507
>Interact with community often in comments, take requests early on.
>Don't act like an asshole.
This is where I fail. Pretending I care about pornfags takes too much work. I like porn but hate pornfags because of just how much they obsess over it, and how fragile they are when it comes to questioning fetishes. I'd rather just be good enough to the point where people don't care if I'm an asshole.

>>2804467
>tfw Sakimichan or whatever her nickname was wasn't drawing porn and got 30k usd per month on her page, then she started doing porn and her pay doubled, possibly tripled (haven't checked her in a long while) because of it. Sex really fucking sells.

>>2804565
how should one interact with others
hit them up and ask to collab?
comment on others shits?
i always feel like id do it wrong

>>2804407
Waifu is just a synonymous term for a prefered person you like to such a degree that you consider wife material. The opposite is husbando for male characters.

>>2804566
That's a lie. Sakimi's work sells because it's fanart pin-ups of popular IPs and people want to draw like her, making her tutorials in demand. Her "porn" is just lazy NSFW edits of the original pieces. Her porn edits are an after thoughts. Sex only sells her work as far as sexy pin-ups go. It's not the straight up porn that does.

>>2804590
>It's not the straight up porn that does.
You keep telling yourself that lol

>>2804590
it helps
we dont know by how much but it helps

>>2804568
I personally wouldn't waste time going out of my way to form relationships with amateur online artists who don't have any real careers going for them. Online popularity means dick when it comes to making solid money, even as an artist. Chasing online fame is a cheap smoke screen a lot of amateur artists fall for as if there is any real tangible payoff. All you get is attention from random people. That attention isn't money and doesn't it lead to big money, with art in particular. You're better off making trips to conventions where real professionals in the fields have panels/tables.

>>2804596
>You keep telling yourself that lol
If you honestly think Sakimi's lazy porn edits is what's making her big money and not her general pin-up art and tutorials, you're naive and probably another deluded pornfag like a lot of online amateurs. You can't make Sakimi money with porn. You can't even make Kron money with porn.

>>2804605
youre right about that senpai
i mostly want to build an online name so i can interact with others, itd be a lot if fun is think.
seeing others happy from commissions
collabs with peers you like
maybe even getting feedback more often and increasing that learning curve

>>2804391
>>2804398
2B is nice. I can't get over Bayonetta's wonky proportions.

>>2804635
>I can't get over Bayonetta's wonky proportions.
I like them. It makes her look otherworldly, which she is, and her proportions are in reference to the proportions used in the fashion design industry for fashion concepts.

>>2804610
>You can't even make Kron money with porn
Jesus, now who's being delusional? Fucking retard

>>2804644
>Jesus, now who's being delusional?
You, still. Now go back to thinking big money is in porn you delusional pornfag.

>>2804642
>her proportions are in reference to the proportions used in the fashion design industry for fashion concepts
That's an interesting tidbit that I didn't know.

Pays the utility bills.

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>>2804286
>>2804380
>>2804497
You guys are retarded. First anon is right. If you're going to draw erotic, sexy characters, then ignoring certain "realistic" elements to emphasize their sexiness is necessary. It's no different than giving girls exaggerated tiny waists or the "breaking joints" rule for animation.

>>2804689
That looks like trash.

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>>2804689
How gravity effects tits IS sexy. It shows they have volume and weight to them. Weightless tits, aka balloon tits, are shit. You have shit taste if you like them.

>>2804689
>comparison doesnt work
>posts shitty example of their point
>even then the shitty example tries to adhere to other anons points
>having taste this shit
>wanting to touch balloon tits over soft squishy light dough tits
wew

>>2804552
At minimum at least twice a week if you are doing it part time and every other day if you are doing it full time. You need a constant presence even if it's just with rough sketches or "in progress" type posts.

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>>2804245

>ITT num/a/les talking about tits.

You're all virgins. Ass is the superior form of beauty. Learn to draw proper asses and hips, fags.

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>>2804762
The only virgin ITT is the faggot who got upset over the fact that balloon tits are shit. Ass is superior though.

>>2804590
Even if they are an after-thought her donations still doubled a short period after she started doing those.

>>2804610
Dude no one is saying it's the porn that made her earn big money, she was already a well-known, well-liked artist before she started doing porn edits. It just made her get even MORE money.

>>2804774

holy shit sauce

>>2804777
>It just made her get even MORE money.
Any side gig is more money in your pocket. No one said there wasn't money in porn. The point was it doesn't lead to any real income growth because of the nature of the market. You will have to venture elsewhere if you don't want to be living paycheck to paycheck, provided you actually have bills and don't live with your parents.

>>2804698
>>2804738
>rofl dat art looks like trash
>completely unaware thats the creator of lilo and stitch
>highly known for drawing sexy girls and blessing us with nani and the blonde bodyguard

wew /ic/ really is full of contrarians.

>>2804701
the only people who criticize someone else's turn ons are someone who hasn't satisfied themselves in years.

maybe lower your standards and you'll finally get laid and be happy.

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>>2804806

Ye, but for reason that retard posted the shittiest image he could find.

Because yeah, that's pretty bad.

>>2804807
The only people who get triggered when their fetishes get shat on are people who get no play in the first place and only have porn. You just outed yourself as a pornfag. Congrats.

>>2804816
it's literally same girl with different hair though

>>2804806
Sanders style is definitely an acquired taste. It's easy to see why people wouldn't like it. His characters look borderline alien.

>>2804762
Agree. Those legs are the most appealing part of this image tho, damn

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>>2804245
There are 2 kind of porn artists:
1 western style: they put a shit ton of effort into texture, background details at the cost of paying attention to anatomical correctness and it's hilariously deformed or lacks intimate context of the pic and one can hardly relate to the scene portrayed. Unless it's claimed deliberately abstract which is a whole different plain of autism.

2 jap/manga style: they put a shit ton of effort into special effects like motion lines, motion blur, emotion emphasizing lines, to the extent that it becomes extremely difficult to make out the actual scene also is a shit of an excuse for the absence any background at all. They also portray the climax on a separate panel picturing only the reproductive organs followed by a panel of facial expression separated from the rest of the body or action. At this point you can just look at some generic pussy or dick while looking at your fav character's face and you have the same effect regardless of artist.

IMO those who make good porn rarely call themselves "artists" and focus on the body posture, they draw the entire scene when portraying the climax not just certain parts, don't try to hide stuff with special effects or speech bubbles, maybe they make the boobs or a dick extremely large but at least they know where the vagina is located on a woman. And no, it's not facing forward like your dick you moron.

/paragraph

>>2804835
More like...

Western style: They waste a shit load of time with unnecessary texture, ridiculously detailed backgrounds and unflattering aesthetic details that make women look ugly. Might take upwards of 1-2 weeks for a single picture.

Asian style: They produce content quickly because the emphasis is on the character, beautiful aesthetics and "motion" of the scene. You get to fap way more often and productive artists tend to have something new every other day.

All joking aside...there are exceptions on both sides and I like artists on both sides. My dick just prefers being able to fap to new things on a daily basis and western artists aren't too productive in terms of quantity. I don't need some piece that took 20-40 hours to render for my fap session. The raw emotion, idea and general aesthetics is all I need.

>>2804806
i know it is
his works are great
but not this one
you dont have to like everything an artist makes

>>2804876
> the emphasis is on the character, beautiful aesthetics and "motion" of the scene
I don't agree with this part but whatever floats your boats.

>>2804886
do yourself a favor and go read Sasamori Tomoe or Nora Higuma's translated works.

>>2804903
I'll admit they are good, but then again you are cherry picking. The majority manga artists are shit too.

Tbh I'm here just because I want to be a porn artist. I don't plan to have children and I'll most likely live the hikki lifestyle my whole life so it would actually be nice to have that stable average tier income.

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>>2804816

>>2804913
the difference is that i can name more good japanese artist making 10+ page ero manga than western artist. The other anons point still stands that western artist are more geared toward single rendered pictures rather than a comic with story and try showing flow thru out the pages.

>>2804937
Also a significant amount of western artists are furfags

>>2804876
why do westerners always smear freckles over every inch of their 2d sluts

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>>2804968
Why do most eastern styles never give their characters facial features? Why are the faces always dull, flat as fuck, and show no real dimension or structure?

>>2805006
source?

>>2804398
Theyre equally bad. The narrative is instantly destroyed if one of the characters is totally-not-a-walking-fleshlight.

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>>2805006
>Why do most eastern styles never give their characters facial features? Why are the faces always dull, flat as fuck, and show no real dimension or structure?
this is actually one of reasons of why i fucking hate anime/manga

I love noses facial features and facial wrinkles. Anime is basically a "loli face genre" even if the character is an older man.

>>2805006
iirc it comes from being easier to animate
then it became sort of a fashion along with sidemouths. i can see the appeal in it, anyone can cosplay as them since its ambiguous, or draw them a certain way and shit.

>>2805205
its in the west too
many girls in comics have the same generic face. many males have the same generic body type. and background characters in cartoons were pretty much the same

>"loli face genre" even if the character is an older man.
yeah thats quite annoying

>>2805006
Anime faces follow the typical cartooning formula of painting the features onto the form of the head but I see a lot of formless faces like the one in that picture that forget the features are not supposed to be 2d symbols to be inserted in the head contour, they need to wrap around.

>>2804936
>not seeing she's pulled her bikini top taut

>>2805204
>Theyre equally bad.
Sounds like you just have shit taste.

>>2805215
>its in the west too
>many girls in comics have the same generic face. many males have the same generic body type. and background characters in cartoons were pretty much the same

Yeah, but those generic faces show form and dimension to the face, generally. They don't read as flat and lazy "symbols" slapped onto a flat surface. I don't hate all anime art, but I do hate the flat faces that are used in a lot of eastern anime styles. The eastern styles I enjoy the most are the ones who don't do that.

>Ctrl+F "money"
>24 results

Never gonna make it

>>2805345
ah. yes. but they do have the advantage of simpler design. i think theyre pretty equal
i understand both sides though. but time and deadlines and demand wouldnt allow for every person ever to have unique qualities. i feel more sympathy for their shortcuts than anything

>>2804876
>Asian style: They produce content quickly because the emphasis is on the character, beautiful aesthetics and "motion" of the scene
Holy shit what a moron. Hahaha.

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>>2805577
It is how they've always done things.

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>>2804245
Recently, the thought of drawing porn makes me sort of depressed. Or I get disappointed in myself or something. I don't want to just be a porn artist, man.

>>2805836
same i wonder if i should be one. but i also have serious artwork that i wanna make. what if someone finds out what i do?

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>>2805205
you think so?

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>>2806240
who cares?

>>2806344
They will know about what im into its like sharing your porn browser history

>>2806389
but it's not. one of them requires a lot of work, the other doesn't.

i'm more worried that someone finds out i'm bad. or in other words, i'd rather someone find out that i make good porn, than someone find out i make bad non-porn.

if they're only judging by the fact that i'm drawing porn i don't have anything to say to them. if they want to talk about it i can bring up their work to compare, and most people hate their job so it wouldn't be too hard to push them in. if they just want to silently judge, that's okay by me, i silently judge them too. can they make something with their own hands? again, for most people, they can't say yes.

>>2806415
>i'd rather someone find out that i make good porn, than someone find out i make bad non-porn.

You mean you'd rather someone find you're wasting a skill to sell to degenerates rather than trying to make something truly marketable?

>>2806419
I bought into the STEM meme and got nothing out of it so "truly marketable" is a meaningless concept to me. If they have skill, they like doing it, and can make some money out of it, that's good enough for me.

If you want to appeal to people who don't like hiring people with NSFW history then I guess it's a waste, but I don't care to appeal to those people. They've fucked me out of enough things that their interests aren't really my concern.

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>>2804434 see this >>2804413
This guy has nailed it. Waifu mentality right now is what helps certain series stay afloat. RWBY and Blazblue are good examples of these.

RWBY in terms of writing isn't that great, but the waifubility of its female characters are what keeps it up.

Now, Blazblue is pretty solid in music, gameplay, story and characters. Guilty Gear in the other hand is better, but it doesn't have the same autism it gets from Blazblue because Guilty Gear doesn't have that much waifus. It was only in Xrd that they began adding more waifus.

>>2804762
>>2804774

t. nigger

>>2805300

He meant the wrist, dummy

>>2804936
>>2805300
>>2806694
No, it's clearly a tangent, dummy

>>2806415
What about family and friends. About your real name not your pseudonym. What if Youll be marked as a pervert in society

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>>2805205
This is why I prefer "MILF" kind of characters. Their faces are usually more realistic than the bug eyed animu girls while maintaining more simplified and polished faces.

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>>2806694
t. faggot with shit taste

>>2806475
>Waifu mentality right now is what helps certain series stay afloat. RWBY and Blazblue are good examples of these.

It's ruining entertainment and not giving creators a reason to make well written characters. All a creator has to do is make the character pretty now and people will think it's a good, well developed character. It's retarded.

>Guilty Gear doesn't have that much waifus.
Maybe in the XX days, but Xrd changed all that. It's going the same route as BlazBlue. All the new female cast members are hardly interesting and obvious waifu bait.

>>2807562
>It's ruining entertainment and not giving creators a reason to make well written characters
It's not onle the waifu mentality the problem, the otaku and weeb culture are. Anime is becoming more and more stagnant and repetitive, always the same shitty characters, cliches and stories, such is the problem when the medium is made for dysfunctional teenagers.
also tits are better you fucking nigger

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>>2807577
>tits are better you fucking nigger
So naive. You'll mature into a man one day, anon.

>>2807584
i agree with previous anon
nigger confirmed

>>2807587
>implying
So Prison School was written by a nigger?

>>2807562
how do I get this dots effect?

>>2807591
>he wrote Me and the Devil Blues
yes, totally

>>2807601
cave maggot logic

>>2807577
Mainstream western entertainment is just as stagnant and soulless. The issue is weebs think they are special or different. Both have a sea of trash you have to weed through to get to anything good. That's the nature of commercial products.

>>2807652
But that's not true. Yeah, western mainstream media is shit but it's also more variegated and it's easier to find something decent. Except for some old stuff anime is shit.
Take Breaking Bad for example, as popular as it is it's better than any shit Anime has made post 2010

>>2807660
>But that's not true.
But it is true. You're showing a clear bias. Your opinion isn't worth shit because of that bias.

>>2807660
Breaking Bad is overhyped to hell and back. The Wire still shits on it.

>>2804245
That picture is literally

>How real tits work
>How fake tits work

Fake being implants, not fictional.

>>2807662
My hate for anime comes from watching them. I was a weeb until last year, had something like 300 anime on MAL, played weeb games like Neptunia and Danganronpa, even read some VN. And I started getting really surprized and annoyed at how stereotypated and just overall bad anime is.

>>2807682
And yet is better than any anime of the recent years. There are a lot shit tv series but also a good number of great ones, the same doesn't apply to anime.

>>2807686
What part of commercial don't you understand? These products are made to sell and quality isn't what sells. It doesn't sell in western society. It doesn't sell in Japan either. Gimmicks sell. You just sound like you have guilt for not realizing this sooner (since apparently you're really this stupid) and now you're taking it out on only part of the problem and ignoring western entertainment being just as guilty. You should off yourself for even playing Neptunia tbqh.

>>2807686
One thing to understand is that by and large anime is trash. It's a pulp medium that's pretty much meant to be disposable. If it looks like your stereotypical weeb shit, then it's probably actually weeb shit. Stuff like Kill La Kill or Space Dandy or whatever Ghibli tries out are probably the kind of anime you are looking for? I don't know what you want out of a story, but if you've just been watching random anime that genuinely are churned out by the same group of people, you're not gonna be getting perfect 10s all of the time.

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>>2804245

>>2804689
Sanders is a polarizing example imo, sometimes it looks great and sometimes it is just too damn much

>>2807562
>and people will think it's a good, well developed character. It's retarded.
If that were true anime would sell a lot better than it does. As it is now what anime turns out into a best seller and what can't even break 3k units is a crap shoot. The best selling anime atm is targeted towards women. Now explain to me how waifus are killing entertainment and not husbandos?

>Maybe in the XX days
Cranberry is the biggest slut in the series, Dizzy is major waifu b8 (loli, angel, demon, in a pig tailed blue hair teen's body? That is DA OC donut steal tier shit)

Stop talking shit

>>2806311
0/10, least sexy porn I've ever seen.

You want to sell addiction? Human beings were never supposed to see so much porn in their life. you can literally today see in one day as many as the most skilled in the past could in their lifetime. this is just unhealthy, you're profiting from people's addictions, lack of self-esteem and traumas, you have probably these exact same issues too. Can you really continue and be happy knowing this?

Typically, the best reason to become something is because you enjoy the thing and you want to do it on a professional level.

You need to have a passion for what you're doing, and believe in what you're doing. And know it in and out.

To the anons talking about you supporting addiction: You. Are. Not. Responsible. For. Someone. Else's. Choices.

You /can/ suggest being responsible, and provide resources for those who may need them.

But unless you are directly harming someone, and you enjoy what you are doing, you need to do it. For you. And then, for everyone else.

>>2807911
>If that were true anime would sell a lot better than it does.

Exactly how much it's sell is irrelevant. The pandering to otaku is enough to keep it alive and afloat. That's all that matters.

>The best selling anime atm is targeted towards women. Now explain to me how waifus are killing entertainment and not husbandos?

What is Sword Art Online? Nice selective memory, faggot. Both are guilty. Otaku culture is shit but it's the only thing keeping anime relevant to a consumer base. At least Yuri on Ice's writing isn't nearly as abysmal as SAO even if it's obvious yaoi fujoshi bait.

>Cranberry is the biggest slut in the series, Dizzy is major waifu b8 (loli, angel, demon, in a pig tailed blue hair teen's body?

You just named the only two bad female characters in the original GG cast. That leaves, Baiken, I-no, Millia, and ABA. All who were solid. The new female additions (Jack-O, Ram, Elphelt) are in the same shit tier as Dizzy and Jam. Kum is the only exception for obvious reasons.

Kill yourself.

>>2808178
Yes. Sexy animu girls in frilly dresses are also just nice to look at, really.

>>2807561
also the reason I prefer tanned 2d girls, not because I like tanned 3d girls over untanned ones, but 2d tanned is closer to an untanned 3d

>>2808331
This sounds like actual autism.

>>2808342
>where do you think you are.jpg

>>2804245
>What would be the reason to become one?
you are passionate about it

>>2808178
>You want to sell addiction? Human beings were never supposed to see so much porn in their life.

>humans are literally evolved for orgies
>literally evolved to start fucking since 14 and shit
anon if anything weve become more tame

>>2804245
>What would be the reason to become one?
Liking porn?

>>2808362 >>2808580
id love to but what if im ashamed about it if someone finds out. look this artist has great stuff. yeah but did you know this pevert has a nsfw pseudonym look the artstyles match
.hes into some weird stuff man

>>2808588
If you become popular for anything there will be people who like and dislike you. Fuck 'em.

>>2807472
>>2808588
Like I said, I already bought into the STEM meme and got nothing out of it. I'm a disappointment already. If anything I am trying to get good to draw pinups/porn to make money on my own so I'm LESS of a disappointment.

As for "society" you think too much of yourself. Put things in perspective. Who's going to mark you? Gawker? NYT? BBC? They don't care about you, unless you happen to be the head of a non-establishment political movement, at which point you have other things to worry about. Or if you start rolling in the cash like mad, and even then you have to volunteer yourself; I've seen one (1) article about FOW and zero (0) about Sakimichan. And if you're making that much money, again, you have other things to worry about.

Worries which are preferable to having to watch my every word and every move by HR and the press, which is what I'd be if you made that amount of money in the traditional "respectable" way. FOW makes jokes about feminism all day on Tumblr, Donald Sterling and Brendan Eich do something vaguely similar and they get fucked.

No path is problem-free.

>>2804245
I always tight of pornfags as sad and disappointed people who failed to become illustrators and landed for that shit

>>2804247
Realistic weight makes boobs sexy.

>>2806694
t. weeb

>>2808323
>moving the goalposts: the post
Glad to know you concede to my points at least.

>How much it sells is irrelevant.
Okay, then why do you care about it being sold to an otaku audience? Oh, I guess you didn't consider the cognitive dissonance involved in getting your panties in a wad when it does sell but consider low-sales of pandering series "irrelevant"

>What is SAO?
What is Free? What are a dozen other series that have sold better than SAO that aren't pandering garbage you can't cherrypick to suit your narrative?

>You just named the only two bad female characters
Actually I only named two because I felt otherwise would be beating a dead horse. Though never mind having 1/3rd of your female cast being (by your own admission) shit apparently doesn't count for much but okay. Yeah I sure do love I-no, cleavage and latex, such a deep character.

Let's see how far you move 'em back with your next reply. At least I get my (You)s!

>>2808588
This is something I'm really worried about personally, though not from a personal standpoint. I'm perfectly fine with people knowing I'm into some more fucked up stuff, everyone has their kinks, whatever.

It's the fact that if I ever cross the wrong person on twitter or something I'm super worried about it coming back to bite me. "Yeah this person has an art tumblr and they draw PORN! Let's get them fucking fired!!", that kinda stuff. I draw mostly in my free time and it's not going to be my career, so it's something I kinda worry about.

It's why I've been reluctant to even post my drawings online to begin with, let alone NSFW stuff. I don't think going under two pen names would even be enough to shield me, even if there's no hard evidence linking the two accounts. I've been wanting to start one to kinda force myself to draw and practice more often but... I dunno, maybe I'm being paranoid.

>>2804689
I agree but that image isn't the best example

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>>2809252
Maybe this is a better example.

>>2809233
>moving the goal post
>implying
You didn't have a point.

>>2809233
>Okay, then why do you care about it being sold to an otaku audience? Oh, I guess you didn't consider the cognitive dissonance involved in getting your panties in a wad when it does sell but consider low-sales of pandering series "irrelevant"

Did you even read what you just typed? If you're going to ignore context you aren't worth arguing with. Fuck off back to tumblr with that nonsense line of thinking. Low sales in context of what exactly? The better written shows? Even though SAO trumps them in sales? SAO is not cherry picking when it's the poster child of what sells, and everything wrong, in the anime industry now, even Re:Zero is starting to make waves, and guess what it had too chuckle fuck.

>What is Free?
Did Free evolve into a profitable multimedia product due to it's popularity ala SAO has? I'll wait, anon.

>Yeah I sure do love I-no, cleavage and latex, such a deep character.
She's the Bayonetta of Guilty Gear cast. If I honestly have to explain to you why her design works you're probably brain dead. You have no point. Here's your (You), now fuck off back to tumblr m8.

>>2808315
I agree that somebody else's choice is not your responsibility. In fact I would go further as to say, we can only help people who ask and are willing to make efforts. Clearly after saying the truth and that they need help, you cannot nor should do more. By disclosing knowledge, you give them the responsibility on themselves.

However it's more aesthetic than moral. That's why I'm talking about happiness, as you are not forced to be, but people usually accepts it's better. I really like the idea of a marketable & enjoyable skill. If you enjoy something that sells, then you *need* do it for yourself and others. Because that's the best way you as a person can provide value to the world, right? But it's aesthetic, it's not a moral obligation.

Then if it's aesthetics, I would like to argue that making porn is not the best you can do for the world. Porn is facilitating short-term gratification for long-term relationship and making children (what seems to be long-term and sustainable happiness). So making porn is in a sense lowering our standard of life to a short-term benefits, but that's not what evolution directed ourself toward, we evolved to delay gratification to make our life better. So isn't making porn just a regression? Can you really be happy making and selling porn? Instead of say, making thought-provoking art like gibli movies or such art?

>>2809599
continuation below as it was too long

>>2808518
If your argument is to do what feels good, then:
> humans are literally evolved to eat anything
> literally evolved to start eating anything since 5 and shit
try to eat only what feels good for years like butter and sugar and see what happens to your body. Body evolved in a different nature than today's controlled world. Orgies are the same. Sex is meant for relationship connectedness with your partner and making children. You're not achieving these goals with porn, instead you're abusing the brain-chemical reward attributed to these two life-fulfilling goals.

Actually I would say that we've become less tamed, we've become more wild, more controlled by our sex instinct with porn and birth control. People think it's we've tamed nature (consequences), that it's safe and healthy because we get rid of unwanted illness or accidental babies, but the effects on relationships, the brain and birth rate are still here. What about them? What do you think of addictions, dopamine, drugs and such? What do you think of people having children at young age, early sex, abuse, have you seen the consequences? Do you see?

>>2809601
It's a fate deserved, tbqh. Blame the people leading the charge.

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>>2804566
>>2804590
>>2804590
there is no lie, its true, i was monitoring her page ever since she was at 500 bucks and started to gain momentum at 2-3k, after months when she got to 10-12k she remained stuck there for weeks, no growth or anything, then she did that bayonetta and ahri nsfw bust shots and caught the attention of the "rule 34 Mafia" when her works got posted on those sites, after that she skyrocketed to 24-25k doing nude pinups, then started doing gay / soft-core and got an additional 6-7k, when she goes full hetero and she will since she is stuck at 30k for months now, those shekels call her in sleep at night, she will gain so much it will make incase, akabur, zeronis and that cuck Tsuai kill themselves in a sacrificial ritual using Ilya's cyka blood.
Me personally, erotic art > porn as far as still having some integrity left and also pulling resources from both sfw and nsfw communities.
Nobody has a problem with, Ganassa, or Masamune Shirow and all those playboy illustrators.
Just don't be autistic like pic related when switching between the type of art you do.

>/ic/
>knowing anything about hentai boobs

>>2809617
jews?

>>2809760
>the jew meme
Maximum kek. Sure, jews and their enablers who claim to be "red pilled".

>>2809601
thats not what im saying
im saying if thats all you want and hurting no one else then theres nothing actually wrong (reaping what you sow doesnt count, that goes with for anything)
doesnt matter either way it yourr content with just that

were the same as ever at oyr base, just with more to do pretty much and more aware

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pros:
>you actually want to make art because it has things you like in it
>mad fucking dosh if you're god tier and make yourself known
>get to meet other bad ass porn artists that you love and share interests

cons:
>all porn fans are a pure infestation of cancer
>almost all porn artists are fucking trash unless you're a Jap
>you WILL start losing interest and become severely jaded for the previous reasons
>your degeneracy is public knowledge, but nobody really cares except hardcore religious nuts who don't know you exist.

You're better off just keeping it to yourself and sharing it with friends to be honest. Unless you really want that money.

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>>2804826
>His characters look borderline alien
>Creator of lilo and stitch has an art style that's very alien-like
that's... actually seems extremely appropriate and kind of explains alot nicely done

>>2804689
You first need to know those rules before breaking them, otherwise you are just drawing turds.

Well I dropped out of collage to become a porn artist about two years ago. I didn't like it because it felt like I was wasting my parents money and my own time because I wasn't even gaining what I needed from collage as an art major. My country doesn't value art that much and we don't have any good teachers or facilities for it. I do it because it's fun(sometimes) and it makes me enough money that I can live on my own and take care of myself, also it allows me to improve my artwork the more commissions I get. All I really want is to become better at art and make enough to have my needs met.

Since then I have noticeably improved and I've learned so much. There's probably only a handful of people better than me in my country alone. I get regular jobs all the time, painting murals and doing portraits for people but doing porn art is basically my most steady income. Although it might be a bit shameful, I don't regret making that decision.

>>2807598
screentones

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>>2809238
I did the same, to practice and all that. Better safe then sorry however as I always make sure to "cover my tracks" per se, by having different names, never stating my age, gender or any personal details. Even too the point where I'll slightly shift pieces of my work to not look completely like 'me'. Yes it can potentially be risky but it's a nice way to study anatomy just so you can upload something decent now and again.

>>2812350
Are you implying Chris Sanders doesn't know the rules or...?

The only thing about porn artist I recognized, especially ones that are popular, is once they are, they tend not to stray into bettering themselves elsewhere.

Look at Shadman and Cyancapsule. One draws the same lusty faces over and over again but cannot master drawing correct anatomy, and Cyan keeps drawing the pig woman and nothing but.

They keep into the comfort zone that made them popular to get money. I am not saying that is wrong, I am just saying it's lazy.

>>2808178

I do agree that it's damaging, but so is escapism and entertainment in general. A consumerist society constantly profits off addiction, lack of self-esteem, trauma, and trends.

If they wanted help, then they can either head to a psychologist or a church.

>>2809238

They won't blackmail you unless if you're right-wing. Folks in the entertainment field are only judgemental of those who judge others.

>What would be the reason to become one?

to survive off fucking doodling for a living you degenerate. i bet you're one of those fucks who thinks you deserve a living wage off your shitty art.

>>2804287
This should be the only reason

>>2804245
To draw lewds of that qtgrill you met without her noticing.

>>2809598
>You didn't have a point.
>Fuck off back to tumblr
>You have no point. Here's your (You), now fuck off back to tumblr m8.

Ebin damage control m8, I will be declaring this internet argument won when all you have is sticking your fingers in your ears "lalalala you have no point" as a rebuttal. But this is coming from the guy saying I-No is something that she predates and that declares a series rapidly losing popularity like SAO is some otaku poster child. Everything about your posts just screams you don't know what you're talking about and that's common from wannabe weebs who think they're above it all and think the industry and artform they barely have experienced is in decline, and that otaku are killing the very thing they're trying to appropriate and manipulate back to some nonexistant golden era.

And just a little PS, yes, I have gotten the last word in. Yes, I waited until this thread was on the tail end of page 11 and yes, I saged and then made another thread just so this one would be archived. You have been absolutely out fucking skilled. Not only are you stupid, you are defeated. Even now, as you start to open the report box to have me banned on a technicality, I can feel how shitter shattered you are at having lost. Going to cry to the mods /ic/ doesn't have you little windowlicker? Good luck, I am behind 7 proxies, and any ban I receive for this post will be evaded. Even if this post is deleted from 4chan's temporary archive it will indelibly remain on 3rd party archives, my victory over your meager intellect. Even if you desperately try to get the last word in on the archives by ghost posting you will be just that, a ghost, the ghost of the fool who was bested by his betters here today. You have been #rekt and #owned, both in intellect and in debate format. The round belongs to me and there is no snatching this trophy out of my hands. GG, no re, fag ;^)