Loomis construction method is really unreliable, like going by

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>>2801793

Hey OP, it's almost as if people look different. What a epiphany!

Those proportions are a CANON. An ideal.
*attractive* faces tend to go in that direction. Ugly fuckers tend to be more assymetrical and have weird proportions - which is exactly what makes them ugly in the first place.

So keep that in mind - proportional rules are chiefly used to draw ATTRACTIVE people.

>>2801793
>being this dumb
>to make good art you have to be smart
sorry fammalino, you're not gonna make it.

>>2801800
but that is a generic skull. It's ideal.

>>2801793
it's easier to go by half

>>2801803

No, it's a random skull. Not a "generic" skull. There's a difference.

>>2801805
how do i find a generic one then? how the fuck do i learn drawing heads if i cant find a good skull

>>2801806
>being this dumb
>to make good art you have to be smart
not
gonna
make
it

>>2801806

Upon closer inspection, it actually does divide quite nicely into thirds. You've just placed the lines funny.

You're taking the measurements too literal, they're just guides. As I wrote earlier attractive faces tend to go in that direction, it doesn't mean a perfect Loomis proportion grid will snap onto their faces with sub millimeter precision.

fuck this, you shilled loomis so much and its fucking shit

>>2801793

I've got a suggestion. Take a bunch of old magazines and trace Loomis heads over all the faces, I think you'll find it very enlightening.

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everybody has a different head, you should construct of course, but not construct too much. If you learn some exact proportions and always use them all your faces are going to look the same. Use them as guide, you can devide the head approximately in thirds, that's enough.

>>2801823
how is it /ic/'s fault that you can't comprehend the concept of facial variation lmao

this is actually a bait thread im sure

>>2801830
>>2801831
you fucking retards, how can i learn drawing heads if they vary? If a method doesnt work for every head i checked so far, whats the point?

WHAT IS THE FUCKING POINT

YES I AM FUCKING MAD

I wanted to learn to draw heads so much and it doesnt even work, what a fucking disappointment

>>2801836
>it doesn't even work
>it doesn't even
>it doesn't
>it
>I
>I don't
>I don't even
>I don't even work

>>2801852
I can't work if I don't know what is correct and what is not. Also imagine drawing heads in perspective or in different angles when you don't know how to draw it in front view, fucking retard.

>>2801858
Not gonna make it.

>>2801858
>if I don't know what's correct and what's not
Study then

>>2801860
Study what?

>>2801864
Heads you quack

>>2801868
i want to draw from imagination, what now?

>>2801869
Draw from reference and study, then you will be able to draw from imagination.
Also, if the Loomis approach isn't working for you you should check out Hampton or Bridgman's books

>>2801793
Can someone draw a realistic face out of this skull?

>>2801875
Never gonna make it.

>>2801823
yeah, blame loomis for being shit at art, kek.

>>2801793

How long have you been drawing, OP?

>>2801886
What? I am not OP, I am just curious how would it look

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>>2801875
this took less than 5minutes, over your skull. Would get better if more time was spent on it but I don't care enough. See it's possible? Done over your skull. I'm not a good artist but if I can do this in less than 5 min other people can do a better job. So get the fuck back to studying and just study heads. You're making me angry

>>2801952
Thanks, that was helpful.

>>2801891

apparently not very long, that is from the skull sketching program and this retard doesn't understand the loomis placements.

>>2801793
>>2801952
nice

>>2801952
he doesnt look human, proportions are off. Its a stretch basically

>>2801793
A skull isn't a face tho obviously it's not going to divide like a face would

goodness golly dude

jesus christ, go back to playing call of duty and setting hamsters on fire you degenerate adhd crack babies

Loomis' head construction is like incredibly frustrating training wheels. If you try and take it too far analytically or expect to actually use it as a working method it will drive you insane.

All it is designed to do is to give you an awareness of building complex objects out of simple forms, using concepts like axes to place in perspective, hanging anatomy onto simple forms, and all the other things he mentions.

Scott Eaton does critique Loomis in his anatomy course confirming that the Loomis head doesn't relate well to the skull.

Also skulls are insanely variable, no specific construction method can help you past a certain point.

You need to come up with your own method.

Some people seem to very intuitively "get" imaginative drawing.

Others have a shit time of it, never really being able to manipulate form in space or hang onto their skills.

Some need a fuck ton of highly specific anatomy to get anywhere and others get by with almost none.

Don't beat yourself up, find whatever way through you can.

>>2802026
not gonna make it

>>2802654
Thanks, I'll try my hardest.

>>2801793
Couldn't agree more OP.

Cancelled my schoolism membership, sold my tablet, and threw away all of my sketchbooks.

Such a waste of time. And for what? It's completely unnecessary and serves no purpose.
Art is not needed, especially in today's society where the intellect, personality, and face reigns supreme.

To be honest, the "artistic lifestyle" seems almost like a childish endeavour at this point, and I don't mean any disrespect, but it seems like the most serious artists (asides from guys who are legit conceptartists/illustrators/porn artists but they represent a very low % of dedicated lifters) are also the people with nothing else going on in their lives.
I know this was true with me, I was biggest and most serious about drawing when I was still in uni, working only 15 hours a week, and pretty much just plucking around all the time, going out, with no real life.
To all you kids out there who are getting sucked into the comerical art , try to stop yourself.
So long as you have and maintain decent facial aesthetics, you'll be fine.
Art just not worth it.

Cheers.

if loomis' head is not correct in realistic way, what book should i read then?

>>2805069
Proko's method on how to draw heads is actually a simplified version of Loomis'.

It's what I've been using, anyway. Anyone else knows a better method?

>>2805069
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2T7cDY7YDsg

>>2805075

Steve Huston's method is better

>>2805126
THIS

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>>2804871
>fresh meme

>>2801874
bullshit...learning from reference DOES NOT mean you will get better with imaginative drawing aswell..you'll still have to develop your minds eye to do that

>>2806709
Yes and no, if you draw something enough from reference, it will sink in. Is that the most effective way of going about drawing from imagination? No, but it does work.

>>2806709
how the fuck would you know how something looks if you don't use reference?

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>>2804871

I love forced memes!

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Loomis is a fucking hack, he doesnt even stick to his rules, pic rel

>>2801793
OP, Im very new to drawing and Loomis helped tremendously getting the face placement correct, maybe try Bridgeman, Its kinda like a chiseled approach.

>>2806857
>Breaks his own continuity

>>2804871
>campaigning a forced meme

>>2806857

Do you understand how loomis measures his proportions? That's a rhetorical question in case you didn't get it. His measurements are fine, you're just retarded.

>>2806857
orb within an orb?

>>2806857
The brow line is that faint line above the red line.

some powerful stupid itt. like a lot of your lines should have ended in the ice age but by some miracle they didn't.

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>>2801793
>>2806857

I go back and forth on loomis's method for drawing heads. Sometimes it seems like it works sometimes it doesn't and I nearly broke my brain trying to get it to consistently work to make a perfectly accurate head from all angles. The biggest problem was making the starting shape (the sphere with the sides cut off) perfectly accurate was very difficult.

Maybe I was doing it all wrong but I found that if I followed the method without any deviation I always wound up with an alien looking face.

But what I did learn from doing hundreds of loomis method heads is that what DOESN'T WORK. By studying why his method was giving me shit faces it helped me understand the real proportions of a face.

I've found a lot of success just putting my nose to the grind-stone and studying skulls. Like hardcore studying how to draw a skull.

In general you should learn things from the inside out not the outside in. Get to know the bones, it vastly improves your understanding of the musculature over top.

>>2801793
loomis is great shut up.

It think your problem among other peoples problem is that you rely to much on it its great for a general sense of the head direction and proportion and placement of features but your should solidly copy it just use it to get a general feel for the head...

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>>2801793
Just started a self portrait using that skull

any good software or web resources for finding head proportions at different angles or tilting a skull?

>>2811672

Do you really need a piece of software to trace a line over the hairline, brow, and under the nose and jaw?

Not gonna make it.

>>2806709
You sure know a lot for someone who can't draw...

>>2801800

I actually quite enjoy drawing ugly people after a while, it's kind a challenge and adventure, as well as exciting, you expect everything to be properly placed as you remembered or were trained to remember and draw the "perfect face" and you are met with something rather alien, not to dehumanize unattractive people, but it is a breathe of fresh air when it comes to drawing both from still pictures and live figure models.