/beg/ - BEGINNER THREAD

christ, it's only been ONE day and we're onto a new thread already, you guys shitpost FAST

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Is this correct?

>>2787791
head's a tad bit small.

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>>2787791
Ref

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any tutorials on how to break stuff down for simplicity sake? Like this doggo for example, how would one go about simplifying it into a cartoon or a comic or a Chinese propaganda drawing style?

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Working on getting proportions right; this is about the 40th skull I've done in the past few weeks.

Still so many errors...but I've seen some definite improvement in my angles and shapes, and also in the steadiness of my hand. Drawing w/ overhand grip is so much better. This one's about 14"x14". Drawing based on proportion instead of sight size is so much harder.

>>2787810
Oh and sorry for slightly too big image, too lazy to find an app on phone to scale down

>>2787810

you're getting there

>>2787810
>Drawing w/ overhand grip is so much better
overhand grip?

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>>2787791
in short no, check your angles my dude. shoulder needs to go forward, the rest is pretty self explanatory.
http://www.dorian-iten.com/accuracy/
should give you an idea of where to go.

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Are these good enough?

>>2787826
draw through them, and try to make them look like boxes with each side same size

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>>2787816
Whatever this grip is called

>>2787806
Gonna need an answer on this.

>>2787843
simple shapes

>>2787844
Thnx senpai

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Trying, Trying., to go through loomis , Any tips on how to better implement this stuff? i want to be able to do good, varied and diverse heads mane.

>>2787852
are you defining the sphere? it doesn't look like it in the left picture. do different angles and post again,

>>2787862
as in, chiseling the sphere up?

>>2787835
Interesting.

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>>2787726

>>2787852
learn anatomy of the head.
any face is just a slight a adjustment of shape, prominence, and placement of anatomical features.

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>>2787862
Its shit but im trying.

>>2787833
All right, thanks, I'll try doing that for the next set.

Are you sure about drawing through them though? I haven't seen anyone else do that and the website doesn't recommend it I think. (when looking at self-critic part)

>>2787875
I know the general muscles in the face and neck.

>>2787873

You've got interesting effect , I want to believe the differences and exaggerations are intentional (and probably are). Nice one. Won't say anything about errors, I want to live in a bubble.

>>2787876
Is this a good order to study stuff in, because im getting really fucked off with my lack of progress,

>Head shapes
>Perspective
>Facial planes
>Proportions
>Features

Since Krita crashes for me whenever I open anything or try to make a new page what is the next best free thing?

>>2787900
some of them are intentional, but I bet there are many errors, because I make it a bit fast (for me)

>>2787911
GIMP, Clip Studio or SAI, I guess.

Try fixing your Krita first, though. It's pretty gud.

>>2787926
>using meme programs instead of the industry standard

>>2787910

You can't just study construction without applying it. Study those things once you get a feel that you kinda get it then apply it by drawing from life/ref then imagination. If you failed then go back and analyze what is it that you're lacking.

Repeat this over and over. learn and apply the knowledge.

If you're burning out take a break. But don't stop thinking about what you've learned.

>>2787942
So just go over photos then? No breaks.

>>2787937
He did say:
>what is the next best free thing?

And Photoshop isn't free. So.

>>2787806
you should check http://www.ctrlpaint.com/

>>2787952
Photoshop CS2 is free to download.

Adobe gave away the whole CS2 suite away for free some years ago.

>>2787876
Why draw one line when you can draw a hundred, right?

>>2787956
I'll have to check it out then, thanks.
It isn't too badly outdated, right?

>>2787911
MediBang Paint Pro and firealpaca are also free and decent

>>2787958
Why shitpost when you can shittalk, right?

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>>2787961
It's a bit outdated yeah but still better than anything you can find for free, except maybe Krita.

>>2787876
line efficiency will go a long way with speed and improvement, anon.

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Since i have no idea of rendering, i will only posst my sketch right now and then post the rendered version.
But would be glad if somebody could give me a critique. >>2787806

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Would love to have some help with proportions. It feels off but my current brain is too retarded to understand the mistakes

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Can someone redpill me on what I'm doing wrong?

>>2788011
Don't draw this small, and just go and practice more construction.

>>2788014
Is there anywhere I can go to learn about turning boxes and planes into organic forms?

>>2787988
>can barely draw anything
>Its your lines bro, the lines are the problem :^)
Gee wizz mistah! thats oem great advice there
>>2787996
Better than mine ahhahahahaha

>>2788020
When you draw a million lines per line you're masking your actual choices. If you were only drawing one line per line your mistakes would become more obvious.

>>2788021
>A million lines per line
Well what the fuck do i do then sun tzu?

>>2788018
Organic forms are just like really curvy forms..But i don't think theres a site whichwill help you practice that..maybe on drawAbox..but im not sure.

>>2788011
drawing without a reference

>>2788033
Uh not him but maybe try using fewer lines?

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>>2788023
Chickenscratch is a huge red flag of a beginner - either way, having confident lines will make your finished works look cleaner

this sounds a lot like the attitude of someone who draws for two weeks then gets frustrated and quits lmao

have some respect for people who are trying to help you out for once

>>2788075
Anon this is what ive been asking since the start. Since an entire year of study has been for nought what the fuck do i do, what do i read, how best do i apply it? How do i make my lines cleaner etc? What the actual fuck do i need to do to get better? can you give me a straight answer or are you gonna give me some fucking stupid memery or smug reaction image liek very other cunt?

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>>2788082
There is no straight answer. Drawing is a lot like getting swole. You have all these exercises, supplements, and routines that you can indulge - but no single combination works for everyone. Ask people who've made it - very few instances will you have two people who had the exact same path in terms of getting good. You have to try everything and see what works for you in terms of workflow and learning. Which means not being afraid of wasting time and making mistakes because even if you've wasted time on something that doesn't work out, you've generally still learned something from it. You give me a vibe of frustration and wanting the secret trick that will get you good (I know this because you asked 'what do i need to do to get better') - I would be frustrated if after an apparent year of "study" I'm still chickenscratching, too. But needless to say, we all go at our own pace.

What I can tell you in terms of applying yourself is you need a balance of fun and play - study vs. drawing what you wanted to draw (whether it be hot girls with guns, castles, or spaceships). Through imaginative and fun works is when you realize how far you've come. You wouldn't study for months and never take the exam and have the fulfillment of getting that A, right?

And as for chickenscratching, I'd go through Han's line and circle exercises every day as a warmup to build up line confidence.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgDNDOKnArk

Anyways, I think I'm rambling. I just wanted to put in what I thought would be beneficial to you.

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Trying to draw manikins with decent gesture. I'm not very good. Any advice? I know it's chicken scratchy

>>2788101
Personally I don't think his approach to dynamicity of the body (for beginners) is too helpful when half of this thread can't draw a box in perspective properly, let alone his mannikin's ribcage and pelvis which would just be a shitshow. I would just go to Mattesi or some established gesture teacher, touch up on your 3D thinking, then go back to Loomis because mannikins are actually quite useful to learn from in terms of placing the body in a believable pose.

>>2788082
Here is how you avoid chickenscratch:
When you draw a line, don't draw another one right on top of it.

Your drawing is going to look like shit because you're using chickenscratching like a crutch right now, but once you abandon in you'll get better. It'll force you to really draw, rather than just making a bunch of guesses.

>>2788105
Yeah the box is fucked now that I look at it. My excuse is that I threw it down without really thinking but if I can't draw a box without thinking then I can't really say I can draw a box. Bluh more practice needed on that I guess. I'll look up Mattesi

>>2787873
ear is in the wrong place, ear lobe looks weird, chin is receding, forehead slopes back too far, neck is too long, hair line comes too far down the neck

>>2788108
Im frothing mad right now but i'll take it. Back to square one i guess.

>>2788115
>I'm frothing mad right now
You're not gonna make it.

>>2788117
Yeah i will.

>>2788113
ear lobe looks weird even in the reference. But you're right with the rest.

>>2788098
>warm-up with han
>Break
>Half an hour to a full hour of practice and repetition stuff.
>Break
>FunTimes TM drawing
Should i do this every day or would it be wiser to space my time out? like do this on some days and shorter sessions stuff on other days.

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>>2787724
how could i improve?
how to get the face parts right ?
I try my best not to symbol draw but...

>>2788128
honestly you should fix your drawings before you start rending these. measure if you have to. if you have photoshop you can send the pic to your self and check the overlay in photoshop to see how accurate it is, though learning how to measure is a skill you need to develop more.

>>2788140
Did you read the advice left for you last thread? Spend time practice basic shapes, and try to practice observational skills (ie drawing what is actually there, not what you see, AKA symbols)

>>2788140
Measure better. Which is to say, re-read Keys to Drawing.

Also, take your time. If it takes an hour to get the angles of the eye right, it takes an hour.

>>2788115
also ghosting your lines will help get the line right or at least much closer when you actually put pen to paper.

>>2788150
thats feeling out the shape before actually drawing it right?

>>2788151
yeah, basically draw the line repeatedly above the paper so you get the necessary motion down.

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Why are my lines so 'dirty'? Is it because of pen pressure? Should I draw them all without pressure and then erase to add weight and such?

>>2788160
same issue! it's not chicking scratching clearly, but my lines still look unclean.

>>2788159
Welp, ive written down an actual study plan. Hopefully now i can actually make progress for once.

>>2788147
inb4 more loomis
desu i did not even read a book about drawing
but i plan to , already downloaded a ton so dw about that

basic shapes? I can do that, its ez af

>>2788172
>basic shapes are ez af
Then what's wrong with your drawing?

>>2788160
You're drawing like you are unsure of yourself. To get cleaning lines make the stroke in one confident motion and if you mess up just ctr+z over and over until its the way you want it and use canvas rotation to your advantage. It takes some practice but it will quickly become habit. I do it without thinking. Watch this video where he explains it with visuals http://www.ctrlpaint.com/videos/fluid-linework
I didnt learn it from him, but have been applying to to my work for years. Good luck!

>>2787724
How do I freehand a fucking circle all my circles look so fucking shitty I'm losing my mind

>>2788173
I cant get the sizes right
the forms right, the places of the eyes , nose etc.

>>2788160
Also here is his vid about lineweight since you said something about it http://www.ctrlpaint.com/videos/the-power-of-line-weight

Your lines dont have anything to do with the pen pressure btw its just because of your lack of confidence when you make strokes.

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>>2787730

>>2788181
Drawing from your shoulder and lots and lots of practice.

>>2788143

I will try, thnks for help :)

>>2788177
Makes a lot of sense, drawing simple stuff takes me an eternity because I'm always going back and forth and adjusting my lines.

Will give the video a look, thanks!

>>2788186
style wise it looks nice but you changed literally every major featureso that it doesnt look like her.

>>2788113
>>2787900
>>2787873
Yeah you made her prettier. You drew an idealized version of her.

Minor details are off. Nose is too small and that anon sperged out on you for it.

What media did you use?

>>2788220
listing differences of the study from the ref is sperging out, okay guy

>>2788220
No problem at all, I even thinking in redraw it again, the feedback they give are interesting and helpful.

I use faber castell graphite pencils, from 3B to H, and sometimes also a white pencil (faber castell's polychromos or scholar) sharpie's white wax marker and Dixon's white industrial crayon (which is too rough), and recycled paper, or cardboard...

>>2788220
not to mwntion i noticed even more mistakes. here have some more sperg; chin too small, ear too small, neck muscle connects to nothing, neck too long, severe underbited, literally pointed nose

kek at you saying its an 'idealized' version. stop trying to excuse bad drawing, if he was going for something stylized he really should say so

>>2788212
>>2788220
yeah I know cheekbones, the slanted eyes and nose are off.

Photoshop. Ref is more shoped than my drawing though

>>2788257
>>2788260
lol

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Here's another skull. I'm having extra trouble with front views but I'll just keep plugging away. I think I'll start some asaro heads next week.

>>2788258
well I have to say I wanted to make that pointed-nose and her neck longer, but I'm agree with the other errors you mentioned...

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>>2788258

We get it. You're jealous. The guys is probably 6 months away from never having to post in the beginner thread again.

>>2788275
i wasnt referring to you i was talking that fucking loser whos denying you an honest crit

>>2788278
you mean six months from switching to imagination only to be sent back to /beg/ again?

>>2788284
post your work

>>2788291
He's just going to post merc wip because he's mad

>>2788258
"bad drawing"

You sound like a total shitter that just gets his rocks off being overly critical while being so shit that they don't even know what they're talking about, especially in a /beg/ thread.

Some of your crit is valid, but calling that "bad drawing" is just fucking ridiculous.

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>>2788305
it is if he's studying a reg, which is you know, why he's studying. if he's going for his own little speical portrait from imagination he problem shouldnt link it to a ref and state that it is.

>but calling that "bad drawing"
it is. the fact that use speshull (You)neek mediums with decent rendering doesnt make up for the fact that there's ton of things that are wrong and the exact opposite of "idealized" version

>>2788314
Is this your work? Are you serious? You're making noodle-fingered, muddy stuff like this and you're gonna say that dudes work is a "bad drawing"? The dude's rendering and linework alone is leagues ahead of you.

Just LOL dude(the necklace is nice though). You can study a ref and still stylize elements of your choosing, it doesn't make it a "bad drawing". That's just being a pompous ass. Its not like he turned her into a sonic the hedgehog fan art.

>>2788333
sure but he isnt. out of the mistakes i listed (which he himself acknowledged as MISTAKES and NOT stylizing) the only differences that he claimed were intentional actually make it worse, the neck length and nose. have you seen a nose that makes a literal point like that in real life? it looks like shit, also the neck leng is probably great in giraffe land but we arent in giraffe land we're in human land. but then that opens up yet another mistake, the neck muscles leads to... fucking nowhere when it should go to the pit of the neck. maybe 'bad drawing' was the wrong word to use and i should have used something like 'bad construction' or 'bad measurements' or 'bad' proportions' or whatever but the fact that his linework is great and its masked (read polished) doesnt excuse all the stuff that he outright admitted are MISTAKES. thats an old piece by the way

>>2788339
you sound like a really low quality person

>>2788382
You sound like you're not going to make it.

>>2788339
>>2788385
>>2788314

Your stuff is garbage compared to that guy you are having autistic jealous outrage over

>>2788385
not from that i dont nugga.
>ripping on someone who in the beginner thread for being a beginner over multiple paragraphs over multiple posts
>that person being someone who is among the better of us in this thread
>continuing to post and reply in order to (((save face)))
>insulting people
>being hopelessly insecure and autistic
>being so invested in your infantile persona to reply to this post

>>2788314
Jesus that's a terrible portrait

>>2788314
>>2788113
>>2788258
>>2788385
Absolute pure autism

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threadly reminder to get along and drop vendettas guys

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>>2788401
It's hard when someone is that BLATANTLY jealous. I'm surprised he didn't post a bad sonic the hedgehog drawing in response.

>>2788401
lmao nice fish nerd

>>2788405
Sick burn bro. I wish I was that cool.

>>2788404
who dis?

>>2788406
thanks friend, i stayed up all night practising it.

>>2788387
>>2788382
>>2788394
>>2788400
>>2788393
fucking kek you guys are literally the reason artists are shit on these days. at least i can say im a hobbyist and dont give a fuck about this "making it" thing you hopeless fucks keep going on about. i pointed out an asston of mistakes, the anon ADMITTED they were mistakes and some other fuck tries to call it stylization and gets shot the fuck down and somehow im the austist. these are the people judging your work /ic/

>>2788001
I think the tits are too high on the black one.
Sorry if that wasn't helpful, I'm still new.

Hey /beg/, what's a good book on perspectives?

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>>2788413
>he's still posting

>>2788082
dude are you ghosting your lines?

>>2788001
you're not drawing the pelvis correctly.

seeing all this digital guys with their clean lines and their ctrl-z and their huge drawings and their layers and their colours

this is rough, is the $50 wacom actually worth it?

>>2788475
clean lines on a small tablet are pretty hard

what does it feel like to make it?

>leave thread for 15 minutes
>come back to this shit
This place is both the best and the worst.

>>2788486
like the reverse of not making it

>>2788491
it's your fault, you shouldn't have left

i feel like im losing my creative sense of aesthetic by constantly drawing bad things. for this reason i subconsciously create crutches for myself such as multi-lining and avoiding serious pieces to only practice exercises. this i think is hindering my progress. has anyone else experienced this?

is it also maintaining focus that is a part of courage?

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Not tryin to put too much black in this and dull it down, would appreciate crit on the areas directly below the head in particular.


>>2788475
I started with a bamboo and I honestly think its too tight/weak to do good linework. Maybe thats personal but I was pretty satisfied when I upped to a plain old Intuos and been with it since.

>>2788021
>
This. Plus, drawing one line vs drawing a hundred lines speeds up your drawing which, in turn, speeds up improvement

>>2788502
1 line per line versus 100 lines per line
if you do 100 then you'll get better 100x quicker trust me brah.

>>2788082
Bro I get ur frustrated but don't take it too seriously


If you're on a tablet next time you're laying out your stretches, just do large curves/circles in one stroke(ex:ear to chin line). And if you get it wrong, ctrl+z until you get it right.


Do Matt Kohr's exercises where you have two dots and you have to draw one straight line between them. Once you can do that easily upgrade to a third dot off set in the middle so you're doing curves and hitting all threes.


Its work but in the long run it will actually save you time because you will be able to lay out your sketches much quicker and your lines will look much better.

>>2788496
lmao my dude what do you mean by "courage"

this is art, not the infantry divisions

>>2788511
keys to drawing fellow talks about courage a lot. its actually quite relevant even in peaceful modern life i think. in its emotional sense it is detached from the martial sense i think though.

>>2788494
This place is like a BDSM party.

It hurts but it hurts so GOOD.

you died months ago when you started.
this is hell.

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Drew a cat from reference, thoughts?

>>2788539
Kek

>>2788539
the neck is a bit too wide but I guess I've seen worse.

>>2788539
its symbolic but as a copying exercise it looks fine.

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>>2788539
Reference

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>>2787726
>>2787873
I drew it again, obviously I keep doing mistakes, I am a human, not a scanner or a camera, but feel free to crit, love or hate as well ;)

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>>2787524
Sorry, for late reply, thank you for the feedback. Yes my understanding of construction is quite tiny, need to study it more.

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>>2788507
this guy gets it.

>>2788560
Fuck off to /draw/

I can see the lines I need to make but I cant get them down on the paper anywhere near correctly. incredibly frustrating.

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>>2787726
>>2787873
>>2788560
:D

>>2787852
>>2787876
Pick a thicker brush you fuck.

>>2788570
welcome to the fast lane

>>2788560
>>2788587
by /draw/ you mean /trace/ right?

is the intuos big enough to be worth getting?

>>2788604
i mean the small version

>>2788604
imo no, i used to use a bamboo and that shit was way too small. for about $50 more you can get a huion giano which is fuckhuge. i recently bought one and haven't had any quality issues with it.

>>2788612
I'm using small atm my advice would be to get the medium if you can afford it.

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Was feeling a little horse today.

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Why do i suck so fucking much /ic/? This is literally from fun with a pencil and I fucked it up.

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>>2788641
Yesterday's.
The colour splotches are copics from a previous page.

>>2788644
Stop talking negatively about your own work as if it will prevent others from doing so. It's both childish and self-detrimental (subconsciously) in terms of motivation.

Rotate and resize your images.

>>2788649
But I am beyond shit, I don't know how to fucking draw, I don't know any of the fundamentals, I don't have any fucking guidance in drawing other than a bunch of pdfs taken from online. I can't fucking do this with no help and I can't afford lessons. I'm literal shit. I've been doing this for 6 months and I'm hopeless I'll never make it.

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>>2788655

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Here's a fucking comparison. It's supposed to be fucking easy to draw and I fucked it up. I don't want sympathy and I don't give a shit if others talk negatively about my work, I already know it's shit.

>>2788659
ye, not everybody is gifted with inherent direction for things that require discipline but lol this is so cringey to hear someone cry so much over their work

honestly if you cant accept that you're shit (and gonna be shit for a while) then it'll be that much harder to finally make it

anyway, for six months you should have moved on from blook balls and more onto life drawing things - i genuinely hope you haven't been doing just fwap exercises for six months

>>2788655
>>2788657
>>2788659
you are the biggest bitch ive seen holy fuck. and i'm worse than you.

>>2788655
>>2788663
>defend your own works merits
not gonna make brah
>critize legitimate mistakes of other anons
shitty attitude brah, not gonna make
>admit to your own mistakes
never gonna make it with that attitude my man
>post a piece that has anon has acknowledged has underdeveloped areas but asks about other specific aspects
criticizes the underdevelop stuff anyways and ignores the actual question all while spewing "dude man if you cant even see that THATS wrong with it you gotta be got and learn your fundamentals bro. never gonna make it with that attitude.

fuck off and die /ic/. i hope you fags end up on some downtown street corner begging for people to pay for shitty caricatures.

>>2788673
>>2788645
>>2788641

You are far, far beyond /beg/. Why are you still here?

>>2788688
Nevermind, I'm retarded, there's a sketchbook thread in the catalog. I'll migrate there

>>2788655
Any contact info that's not too personal and 4chan safe I can contact you? Maybe I can help you into getting a good start at improving.

>>2788691
>too stupid to read thread titles
not gonna make it

>>2788641
NOTBEG LEAVE REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEeeeeeeeeeee

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>>2787725
help me Loomis

>>2788707
Loomis ain't gonna do shit for reference studies, lad.

Also stop cheapening out on clothing/hair.

>>2788707
Lovely anon.

>>2788707
Push values (as always), especially on temples

>>2788707
if you want to go more for likeness you could flaten the brows and make the chin a bit more smaller

>>2788693
No hard feelings but I don't trust you at all. I've got a throwaway kik you can send me a message on.
throwmeawayart

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>>2787725
One day I'll graduate from Keys to Drawing.

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Ugh

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Can you eventually fix the disconnect you get when drawing on a tablet while looking at the monitor?

The line on the left is me looking down at the tablet and trying to draw a vertical line. The other lines are me looking at my monitor while drawing on the tablet.

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Why is this so hard? Why can't I get far away boxes to connect to the perspective dot? Am I just retarded?

>>2788741
Are you retarded? How little do you think of the human brain that such a basic skill is beyond its capacity?

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>>2788745
Maybe he just wants to contribute to the thread and perhaps start a discussion on tablet-brain dexterity.

>>2788744
because you arent thinking about it you dolt. take a second to consider your lines before you draw them.

>>2788750
I do, or well, try. I kinda feel like I don't really know how to think about it.

>>2788754
have you read fun with a pencil?

>>2788757
Nope, from what I had understood from discussion in /beg/, you shouldn't do it until you have a basic understanding of drawabox/shapes and construction.

>>2788759
you fucking muffin.
go and read fun with a pencil now.

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>>2788744
I wanted to try and help you but I just woke up.

Just keep in mind that the eyelevel line, and vanishing points are just TOOLS to help create consistant perspective for multiple objects in the scene. Try drawing the main object in your picture first, then create perspective lines from it and use these lines to draw the other objects in your scene. Typically is only becomes important when you are drawing blocky objects like buildings, and when drawing buildings you'd use 3 point perspective. If you just have a portrait of a person then you wouldn't bother with measuring perspective, but drawing a dozen people walking down a city street then you would. Try looking at photos and creating perspective lines.

>>2788744
first off all vertical lines in 1-pt perspective are perpendicular to the horizon, all horizontal lines are parallel. first draw a box, connect its corners to the vp then fill in the missing vertical/horizontal lines at the desired depth. dunno how you managed to get straight lines to the vp and not on your box so try ghosting a few times before you lay your lines down.

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how does one render?
can someonehelp me out and point out what looks wrong to them?

thaanks

>>2788741
It is possible to "fix" the disconnect but it takes much more motor and spatial skills than simply drawing on paper.

Don't give up, anon.

>>2788778
You need to utilize the entire range of value. I should be able to find at least 20-80 on her body, with a pure white 0 high light in her eyes and 100 black somewhere on her, maybe under he right arm and in her pupils. The corners of her mouth and nostrils should at least be 90.

>>2788787
>100 black somewhere on her, maybe under he right arm and in her pupils
i thought the 100 black was only for the asshole

Threadly reminder that the eraser is just another tool and you shouldn't be afraid to use it.

How can i adjust my grip or position so that when i do a circle the side doesn't go wonky?

>>2788818
you cant. git gud.

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trying to draw faces is just discouraging. i cant get the likness

>>2788172
> I can do that, its ez af
post your shapes

>>2788387
>>2788413
Both of u are autistic
both works is good
maybe the first guys a bit better
but seriously , you guys at ic are that critical kind of faggots?

just kys

>>2788833
look at negative space

>>2788165
Another thing to remember is to draw from your arm. Drawing from your wrist produces worse lines and will actually seriously fuck up your wrists as well. Elbow also works, basically just anything with a big enough pivot.

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how do pop artists get such bold lines and colors that are so uniform? this is something i started and it's literally the 8th or 9th thing i've painted in my life so i'd like to try and learn from whatever mistakes i might be making up front

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>>2788893

oh fugg i guess add me on sc if you want too.
but here's more or less the quality i want to get to. my process now is watercolor background (that i'll probably switch since it's not as bold as i'd like), do a layer of white for areas i'll paint, do each color one at a time, then finish with the outline. do i just need to keep practicing and git gud?

>>2788741
You definitely can just takes time

Sometimes I used to catch myself having a habit of holding my tablet off kilter from the monitor, adjusting it to be parallel sometimes helped.


But otherwise just keep drawing, I eventually noticed it went away and it didn't take that long I don't think

>>2788560
Yeah its way better this time homie.

>>2788593
They look like sisters lol

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I think I finally got faces down. Time to go shitpost /draw/. Later faggots.

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>>2788953
Is that benedoopic cumbersnootch?

>>2787724

>>2788971
damn

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>>2787724
>>2787725
>>2787726
What am I doing wrong?

>>2788973
Stop drawing what you see and draw what is there. Measure.

>>2788976
This is what I'm trying to do, but I understand this at all

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>>2788978
Hold it up to the reference and see where it is different, then fix it like I'm about to do.

>>2788981
Thank you good anon, will be redrawing now

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Please help with muscle tracing. Not sure if this is too advance for beginner thread.

>>2788984
Not sure if trolling

>>2788985
am not. I dont get legs at all, no anatomy pics are helping me. And if you think im trolling, then prove im a dumbass by tracing the anatomy yourself

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>>2788984
>"studying" by tracing over porn
>not even constructing
this lazy fucking nigger

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>drawing models for reference
>End up fapping to them after 4-5 drawings

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>>2787806
Newb like the rest so be weary of my advice.

I think this is what you wanted. This is what every book or tutorial on drawing starts with. Draw big shapes then check and refine them a little. Then move on to the next biggest stuff. Continue the process so on and so forth. I am really quick and sloppy with my block in. takes like a minute or 2 then I play with proportions now that i have some thing to judge against on my page.

>>2788995
you don't need to learn leg anatomy at this point, honestly

Hi, guys! I'm really struggling with drawing, it usually just makes me cry when I sit down to practice. You see, I have a mindset of a programmer, and I simply don't get the concept of practice here. First I thought it's just like getting fit: if you do 10 push ups every day, you'll get in better shape. Now I see that it's not the case. I remain just as shit before. I'm starting and giving up on tutorials constantly. I usually follow the actual lesson well (I mean, it still sucks, but at least it's better than my average), but when it comes to practice on my own, like getting the shapes of a random body right from the Internet I'm just paralyzed. The time investment is also something which puzzles me. Like how long would it take to draw a human which does not resembles a hunchback if I can only spare 1-2 hours each day for drawing? Seriously, if I could get to a level like most of you guys here who do things "wrong" I would be out of this world, I would be so glad.

I've read both /ic/'s and this general's sticky, but I just fear that whichever book I start with I'll end up the same.

I know I'm asking much, but could one of you put together a list of books/tutorials to follow trough? You know, like in a school, where the classes are building upon each other, thus if I finish book 1, I'll be ready for book 2 etc.

My best guess now would be to go with: Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain, and then pick up Fun with a Pencil.

>>2789046
>I have a mindset of a programmer
>Can't learn how to draw
You're a dumb cunt.

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>>2789007
>>2789042
Are you fucking kidding you assholes. I bet you guys dont know how anatomy for shit, and you just draw tube arms.

>But at least you used construction hurr durr.

>At this point
Go fuck yourself. Why dont you post your work then, dumbass. Try drawing me porn right now without leg knowledge you asswipe.

Oh, and by the way, Proko recs muscle tracing, and hes leagues better and knows way more loomis than you fuckheads could even fathom.

>>2789046
You need to chill out dude, don't rush it. No need to cry either. Just take your pencils and draw something from life, like a bunch of apples in front of you. Yes, make it from life, that's important. Try to nail the shape of the objects, so it sits correctly in the space (it probably won't work for now, but you will get better). Do a bunch of these drawings, take your time and come back.

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>>2789054
>this triggered
Yeah keep tracing porn. You're gonna make it retard

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>>2789046

Take your time, go with the basics. As stated above, Fun with A Pencil is a nice place to start but drawabox.com is great too. If you're a 100% beginner who's never used a pencil to draw in his life, start by learning some perspective and basic shapes, it really helps and I wish I knew this before diving head first into figure drawing.

If you want to learn more organic forms, try a hand at gesture drawing, it's fairly easy to do, while fun at the same time.

Also, even with a programmer mindset, you can still draw. I know a few programmers who are good artists too, and I know one guy who's a brilliant programmer but a fucking shittyass artist who refuses to improve. Don't be the crappy programmer who gives fuckall about art and piss off artists on your development team

Essentially what you need aside from the fundamentals is the will to improve and the will to practice. Always believe you can do better and and draw a lot, and I mean a lot.

Good luck Anon.

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>>2787728

How the fuck do I into likeness?

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Till now im pretty confident in doing Potrait, but rendering figures ... No fucking idea.
But i tried, so i would appreciate a critique.

>>2789070
Measure and match the values.

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>>2789062
>posting preston reaction face
What is with you and porn? Porn is probably one of the most essential things to be able to draw since its in most high demand. If you were homeless and have nothing but one drawing skill. Porn is the most essential thing to be able to do. Also, you're a fucking moron. Do you even know what ecorche is? Have fun being a perma beginner. Construction doesn't mean shit without anatomy. Will you fucking moron beginners understand that already? /ic/ is just conditioning you to become dependent on references without any imaginitive drawing whatsover by trying to scare you with "symbol drawing". Construction derives from the form of anatomy. Your end goal is probably to draw tube leg anime girls like some 15 year old on deviantart.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qP--30V8ZA4

So please, reevaluate your life, so you realize you need to kill yourself.

And again, you once again prove my point you dont know anything about anatomy, or drawing for that matter, if you cant trace the models in the ref i posted.

>>2789082
>>2789054
Uh oh guys, looks like the threads getting extra autistic again

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>>2789082
How butthurt can a nigga get?

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>>2789093
>>2789098
disprove my points. I actually have some drawing mechanic commentary, all you fuckheads do is respond with memes and calling people autists. Its not autism, its called having a passion you idiots. If you dont have passion in drawing, you wont make it.

You guys are the biggest shitposters and the reason why /ic/ sucks. You dont want to learn how to draw, you dont want to talk about how to draw, you just want to make yourself look superior to a bunch of subhumans on the internet with your "less autistic" than thou attitude.

>im retarded
Once again, disapprove my fucking point that muscle tracing is essential, form derives from anatomy, and you guys dont know anatomy for shit. If you non-autists are so smart, calm, and mature, disprove my points and show the beginners im retarded.

And if you cant, get off the fucking board, because you literally contribute less than someone who spouts, "loomis, loomis, loomis"

>>2789107
autism

>>2789046
>if you do 10 push ups every day, you'll get in better shape
kys

>>2789046
Just fucking do it. Don't be afraid of failure it's part of the fucking process. You want to draw head? Learn the constructions do it 100 times, draw from ref or life. You can't draw nose,eyes, lips? Learn the anatomy go on youtube look at videos on how people simplify the features then fill in the details. Draw it 100 times.

Draw and when you can't do something go look for the solution. Don't expect for people to write a schedule for you. Everyone process of learning is different. If you can't do it by yourself there's cheap classes on the internet like schoolism. You can even pay to have a mentor.

Hey would a good exercise be to try making stuff from the primary shapes? Thats in draw-a-box aint it?

>>2789037
This is why newfags never make it out of this thread

>>2789076
anyone?

>>2788744
I would work on drawing straight lines first m8
atleast before you jump into boxes

>>2788973
you drew something once. Do multiple and try to fix what you think is wrong with each iteration. also use a reference if you have to. The lips are lacking, the ear is too long, etc etc.

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>>2789170
Cant say much since not into coloring, but that looks muddy as shit and i think you got the light source wrong. If I were you, I would just draw something completely new, find an inspirational artist, and try to achieve that. What i think makes a good painting is something that has clear distinct mapped out shadows and highlights like this guy said >>2788787

Maybe you could try drawing just an arm from imagination and render that? Coloring is great because it makes you really conscious of the form, more so than cross contours i think.

>>2789046
I like to believe that alot of people have this romanticized notion of art, being a straight arrow path of do this do that and you'll make it, but everybody is different, so what works for some may not work for others. All in all, art is the struggle the individual. I too am a programmer but an artist as well.

>>2788744

Draw a 100 or 200 boxes. It will click before you know it. Also always ghost your lines. Don't listen to that other guy telling you to practice lines before jumping into boxes. Take a few minute doing the circle and lines practice from drawabox then work on your boxes. You don't need to concentrate on one thing because its all connected.

When you draw boxes you pretty much drawing lines.

>>2789183
the eyes are too small dude

>>2789230
i feel like thsi guy was intentionally going for some disney-esque look

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I've seen videos of it and had it explained but I still can't wrap my head around it - when and where are you supposed to use the multiply blending mode in painting?

I've been doing base color/block in -> new layer for highlights/shadows -> final layer to blend everything together. All on a normal blend mode.

>>2789255
>>2789255
>multiply blending mode in painting?
pretty sure youre only supposed to use that to darked areas in mass. for blending you just play with air brushes/opacity/flow

>>2789160
Yes

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how's my anime

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please critique if you can

>>2788834
what kind of shapes?

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>>2787728
kek

>>2789318
Just notice how retarded it looked on the thumbnail...

>>2788935
what no way man his other one was super stylized idealistic vision encapsulation the visionary creativity of anon original unique interpretation of the world and didnt have any mistakes at all. how dare you slight his original piece by comparing it to this washed down photocopied garage

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>>2789318
fix it a little... Looks nothing like the ref anyway...

T_T

>>2789318
>>2789330
you have bad construction to begin with. as of now his eyes are too far apart, lips not wide enough. face too fat etc. those are just what stuck out

>>2789290
It kinda looks like you tried to construct it, but halfway through said "fuck it" and just did whatever.
The lower half of the face is completely missaligned with the rest, and the hair is just a mess of lines. The neck is also out of position

Can someone prompt how many formal likenesses of humans I should internalise into my visual library to start with, before trying to place features using reference only for the pose? Any figure is acceptable

>>2789341
Art isn't for autistics. I mean it is in most senses, you just have to dial it back to the point that having the gist and then some is enough. What that means is up to you.

>>2789341
Art technobabble is worse than star trek jargon.

You just are not good at drawing yet. Draw more.

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>>2789372
Ok; I'll draw more and I'll continue to post exercises when I feel they build on the last exercise

I've got a way to go yet. A long, long way to go

>>2789390
Eyes are much too small. Just work on seeing the relationship between shapes. Go read Keys to Drawing.

>>2789401
I knew it!
Drat; is there a PDF of Keys to Drawing that I can obtain? I don't mind buying a copy, though

>>2789403
have you read the sticky in any form

>>2789404
I have, but I forgot that it offered books

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>>2787725
help?

How do I into measuring?

>>2789447
see >>2787818

>>2789452
>have to pay
No free pirated version like for everything else?

>>2789459
it says "pay what you want" you blind mong

>>2789460
Can i pay nothing?

>>2789471
wtf LOL

>>2789471
I did. It's literally, "Use a pencil to see what lines up" spread over 15 pages.

>>2789474
>Use a pencil
>Pencil
but I draw with pens

>>2789475
And I draw with my dick. I still use a pencil to measure.

>>2789477
>And I draw with my dick.
How does that work?

>>2789479
It's quite profitable.

>>2789475
Then measure with your pen, dumbass.

>>2788833
why did you put so much effort in lips that don't resemble the shape of the model's? Try to redraw them. Also, try not to be impatient. Slow it down and analyze what you're doing. The process will speed up over time.

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Basically starting over. Stopped drawing for years and before that, I only drew "stylized" anime bullshit without having any kind of grip on fundamentals. Started with an easy model. Advice would be more than helpful!

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>>2789522
this was the reference. now looking at my work, I think I somehow made her look rather manly. trying to work on capturing likeliness.

>>2788499
It's sad to see this hasn't got a crit
Since I'm a beginner I can only let you know that it looks good, I can't critique.

>>2788638
Nothing's there
So draw another

>>2789430
Use the liquify tool instead of select > transform

Am I gonna make it if anger is what powers my will to learn to draw?

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>>2787724

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>>2789565
You'll make it when you realize discipline is what should drive you, not emotion.

>>2789565
What makes me mad is fuccbois who know how to draw yet post on /beg/. I'm shit and I get livid at these little attentionwhores.
THESE THREADS ARE SUPPOSED TO BE FOR DRAWINGS LIKE >>2789569

>>2789580
I'm new to drawing but I'm tryna be good

>>2789581
If you wanna be good, read the sticky, draw some, then come back in a week.

>>2789580
i disagree. /beg/ takes you from someone who has read loomis, done drawabox, and can do basic 3d shapes and construction up to where your work doesnt look horrible

absolute beginner thread takes you from nothing to that first point.

How do I draw noses? I've been trying for months and this is what happens

>look up nasal anatomy
>look up proko construction tutorials
>draw a bunch of noses while trying to understand the anatomy underneath
>after a few hours manage to draw some decent noses in different angles
>wake up the next day and my progress vanishes

>>2789595
>How do I draw x?
simplify it into a shape.

>>2789596
But I do, anon. I draw over the shape but it still comes out looking like poo

>>2789600
post

>>2789603
Can't right now, I'm in the loo

>>2789607
ok post when you come out in maybe 5 mins

>>2789608
I got some work to finish first, might take some hours

>>2789610
it takes three seconds to upload a photo to 4chan, are you really that pressed for time

>>2789610
>that bullshit excuse
Be honest, you didn't even practice drawing noses

>>2789616
>>2789616
>>2789616

>>2789616
>>2789616
>>2789616

>>2789621
>hey guys i skimmed through a proko video once for 2 minutes whilst tabbing out to pewdepie why arent i van goph yet?

lol i dont want to like get all serious and stuff

>>2789612
The second I step out of the loo my family's gonna make me do stuff, that's partly why I spend so many hours in here every day

>>2789635
>>2789634
let the excuses pile up lmao

i don't understand why you don't want to post work but it's w/e now

>>2789640
The excuses are shitty but they're true, senpai. Will literally post as soon as I can

>>2789524
Hey thanks for the reply I appreciate it

>>2789522
I quite like this its kind of stark in a good way. The eyes seem stylized/anime influenced. Ease up on the dark tone on the eyebrow, they're a bit too straight and solid as well. A little bit of the same issue as well on some parts of the eyelash. They're hair, let them breathe they're slightly too dense.


The left cheek(viewers perspective) white shading is too harsh/sharp. I'd go a bit more bold/dark on the lip shading, in fact you should push values on the whole thing minus the eyebrows.


Overall though nice job should just push values more in general

>>2789667
thank you so, so much for the input! i do think that i may have stylized the eyes by accident. it's something i'm really trying to work on. i've saved your input to review again later. thanks again!

>>2788499
the thumbnail doesnt read at all which suggests you need to work on your values. it looked like an abstract paining until I opened it up

>>2789522
honestly thought the thumbnail was a photo. you just need to work on the way lgiht reflects off the skin, and use a textured brush so the skin doesnt look like clay

>>2788893
>>2788898

nothing?

i was thinking screen printing might get better results. plus a lot of these that i want to make only use around 4 or 5 colors.

>>2788408
you mean the girl in the gif ? she's the mc of Shimoneta

>>4762993