/beg/ - BEGINNER THREAD

How do you train composition? Is it something you pick up as you go along or do I have to study loads of other pictures to get why they have great composition?

>>2758537
There are books on composition of movie shots and for photography. If you study those for a while you'll pick up what makes good and bad comps. I have a pdf called "Setting up your shots: great camera moves every photographer should know 2nd edition" and it gives a lot of insight.

>>2758537
watch ben hur (the original)

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>>2758537
I think it's something that's picked up as you go. I'm trying to expedite the process by spending time every day browsing the artwork of other professionals and other artists throughout history and collecting screenshots of my favourite moments in movies and TVs shows. Photography is also worth a look I guess.

I've skimmed throught the following texts:
The Eye Of The Painter by Loomis
Composing Pictures by Graham
Where to Put the Cow by Griffin

There are different "styles" of composition for different kinds of illustrations, I think it's worth considering what makes each of them characteristic and what their various cliches and tropes are, so that you don't find yourself applying what you learn from browsing landscape paintings into drawing dickgirl porn.

calling the anon who made these >>2757398

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>>2758558
it is i

>>2758562
1. great work, really
2. what exercises did you train to progress your figure drawings?

>>2758571
thanks. i grinded figures with a learning mindset + run as many cloth simulations as you can to understand drapery (i still dont know shit about clothes but im way better than when i started). also a bunch of gestures since it's the most important part of a figure imo.

so basically there is no weird tip lol. jus draw

>>2758578
for a time i grinded heavily at figures but didnt improve very much. i think the key might be gestures since i never did those

>>2758539
>>2758550
>>2758556
Thanks for the help! These sound like good starting points. At least I know what to do next.

>>2758579
were you practicing deliberately?

>>2758582
abstract concept?
my mindset was motivation focused "knuckle down and do this many hours a day" etc.

>>2758584
any amount is good as long as you're learning is what i meant to say

>>2758582
Do you mean the difference between "Draw pic. It's shit. Next pic." and "Draw pic. It's shit. Why is it shit? Redraw less shit."

>>2758595
exactly. i used to not practice deliberately because it was tiring (to think analytically) but i realized i was just wasting time. also "why does it look like this in this angle? how does it work with the body parts it's connected to? what if it was in a different angle" helped a bunch too.

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how would I go about making each stair the same size?

>>2758595
>why is it shit
because you havent practise enough, get drawing

this is the way i think of it, maybe this is too brutish and incorrect.
i am >>2758579 btw

im not going to move on from that mindsdet just yet until i have exhausted all other options completely since thinking like that is a large part of my self, i'd like not to lose it.

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>>2758597

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>>2758599
thanks, took me a while but I think i get the concept. time to grind

>>2758617
loomis on perspective is really good btw

>tfw really impatient for some reason
Why does drawing take such immense ammounts of concentration and time?

>>2758617
Not him. I'm probably just retarded, but why does this look off?

>>2758627
Because you're in a hurry to "git gud".

>>2758631
That actually might be it.

>>2758630
vanishing points not in human natural vision probably.

>>2758630
think it might be because the grid on the sides

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>>2758630
Maybe because it seems like you're looking down at it, but there is no third vanishing point?

>>2758630
>>2758641
I'm the one who did it, I think the vanishing points are too close together. I'll have to work on that.

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alright i need to rework the path and fountain so that its more flat and works around to the back of the gazebo. do my colors look alright so far? do the fucking trees look like theyd realistically layer that way since no one has answered that ones. i think im ready to start pushing the details once those get sorted

>>2758648
darks2dark

>>2758648
water looks like shit, trees are too nekkid down below. add more branches and foliage and the "layer" problem disappears. and put some values on that roof before my eyes quit.

>>2758649
really? like in the underbrush and tree to the left? i was hope to avoid the values on the left tree, main tree line, and 'far' tree from being to tight so it doesnt look flat. but im willing to play with it some more

>>2758658
will do for all of those. the water is just a place holder for now and yeah i havent put much into the gazebo. im just getting the main masses of the trees down. ill use all those tips. im just a bit past the color blocking stage so far

thanks all.

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waddaya know. drawing circles from the shoulder is much easier when you hold the pen almost perpendicular. wish i had figured that out ~300 circles ago

>>2758662
oh shit

>>2758648
Judging by the blue sky, it looks like it's sunny. That should give you sharp direct lighting with warm highlights.
But yours look more like in an overcast environment. I'm not sure which of these lighting conditions you intended.

In any case I find the greens quite dull, but that might be just a personal thing. I'd try to make them more interesting since the greens cover the majority of your painting so extra though should be given to them.

>>2758662
you can tell from your 3&4 rows that you can get a near perfect circle consistently and by the time you hit the bottom your circles look like they are natural and confident. great job keep it up

>>2758666
this
also nice satan trips

>>2758667
b-but he didn't post any circles anon. are you ok?

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I tried to draw a face from imagination how did I do?

>>2758677
right eye is slighty off, nose way too long (and a little wide but that is debatable)
pretty good

>>2758667
>>2758669
Seconding this. Wtf anon?

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>>2758646
I tried changing the angle, not sure I'm ready for 3 point. How would i figure out where the farther edge would be when it's above the horizon?

>>2758683
>>2758669
im just shitposting. but also subtly hinting that he should show his circles

>>2758683
>>2758669
samefag

>>2758662
Holy shit

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>>2758688
well if you'd like to use the same method just do the same thing on the other side.

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Posting something instead of just lurking /ic/ seemed like a good idea.
I know I should study from life and not draw animu too much while trying to improve, but I just wanted to have some fun with colors.

>>2758700
got it. seems so obvious now haha

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>>2758693
first circles (right) vs last circles (left)
>>2758694
ok

>>2758703
love the autumn one

>>2758596
So is it best to polish one work instead of doing 20 different works?

>>2758703
How long have you been drawing? It's not great, but it's pretty amazing in comparison to me. Especially your colors. Really good stuff. I can feel the emotions.

>>2758703
very cute. love the fur in bottom right

>>2758716
>How long have you been drawing?
That's quite hard to answer. I was drawing quite a lot as a kid and in parts during high school.
Then the very sporadic scribble drawn with a negative altitude of
>I wish I didn't stop drawing

But I think I found a fresh drive to improve about 3 months ago and I hope it stays.

>>2758715

No. What they're saying is that it's best to do your 20 works but each time to actually take a moment to analyze what you did wrong and do it better the next time.

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Fucking cylinders and ellipses, I swear.

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>>2758513

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>>2758694
Not that it matters, but pic related.
>>2758688
I'd say you're ready for 3 point.
>>2758746
Yeah, don't draw a pic with bad anatomy and then move on to render your pic with bad anatomy. Do draw a pic (with bad anatomy) and try to figure out why the anatomy is bad, and how you could do it better next time. Even re-draw that same pic. Then move onto the next pic. No rendering, no polishing, no fancy linework, just trying to learn to lay the foundations correctly.
(of course you will probably want to do the same process with your line work, color, anything else you work on...)

>>2758668
>>2758666
the light is coming from behind the viewers right and it should be a bright day. its yellows in the sunlight and blues in the shadows right? i tried doing that a bit but i guess it doesnt show too well. ill try to vary the greens a bit more too. thanks for the tips

>>2758750
Your ellipses are pointy, but they shouldn't be.

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>>2758750
Tell me about it.
>>2758764
What's the optimal point to start drawing an ellipse? I marked my method in red

Any guide on how to make good lineart digitally?

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>>2758791
>What's the optimal point to start drawing an ellipse? I marked my method in red
I'm not sure if that matters and if my ellipses are any good (but hey, it's /beg/ right), but I draw them somewhat randomly.
Sometimes I even switch between clockwise and counterclockwise when I get fed up and can't make the ellipse decent one way. I always make some ghost ellipses in the air over each other before I touch down with my pen.

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Why does it look like they have downs

>>2758836
Ah, forgot to ask the question I wanted to ask.

What's an easy way to figure out where to place axes on ellipses in perspective squares?

>>2758837
because you measured the horizontal intervals at equal points along the bottom line relative to the camera.

>>2758837
You're stretching the length as the steps go back in space. Look at the rectangles on the sides of the staircase to see. The box of the first step feels squarish- but by the time they get to the back of the stair case they have become lengthened rectangles. Those should only be getting flatter, not longer, as they recede from you in perspective. I'm not sure what method you used to project your first steps measurement back- the diagonals make me think you were trying to use mid point automatic foreshortening, but I know you could have erased lines and done something else.

And that, is why, they look like they have downs.

>>2758839
Have you looked at drawabox "ellipses inside of planes" yet? Also, if you find yourself unable to draw an ellipse in a certain position, just rotate your paper. I find it easier to use the same muscles and draw all my ellipses the same way and just turn my paper to whatever angle is required.

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Is keys to Drawing a good book for learning how to measure. I'm struggling learning it on my own.

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>>2758856
From last thread

>>2758856
>
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Etx8WtPIMI

>>2758837

Because stairs go downs, silly.

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massive dump of all my fundie work over the last few weeks.

1. what can i do to improve from here?
2. are there any other fundamental exercises that i am missing?
3. what would you recommend i do as well as this?
4. any other general tips?

thanks in advance.

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>>2758886

>>2758887
>>2758886

Those anime heads are such a bad idea, dude.

If you do the Loomis method of construction, if only for the 3 dimensional fundamental work of it, you'll at least have a more accurate skull shaped unit.

And if nothing else, it's basically a sphere chopped of its sides and a wedge. Fucking with those would be much more beneficial than anime head construction guess work.

>>2758891
i actually meant to crop those out but forgot. just meant to post the fundamental drills.

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>>2758515

So, when trying to render a Drawing.
Should i only be using a Hard Round brush?

>>2758977
nothing wrong with using textured brushes to achieve certain effects. but a hard round brush will probably teach you more valuable skills. and most things look better when you don't take shortcuts

>>2758977
You should vary softness after the initial block-in.

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Rate my cleanart before I am going to ink it

>>2759038
symbol drawing :33

>>2759038
that's nice anon

let's put it on the fridge

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>>2759057
Fucking savage

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First grayscale. Judge me please.

>>2759063
The values look really good. Just something feels a little off, I think it's the upper lip, it's asymmetrical. Filtrum isn't quite under the noise either, more under the left nostril.
>>2758928
Pretty tight anon. Just the slight backward tilt of the head is missing, maybe hatch some under the chin.

>>2758703
Hey, I recognize you from the waifu drawthread
nice work

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crits pls

>>2759145
It's like you couldn't choose whether or not you wanted to go full style or not.

>>2759150
waaaaaaat?

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>>2758508
copying

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>>2759182
refaroni

At what point should you realize that art isn't for you and that you should probably find a different hobby?

>>2759204
when you quit.

>>2759063
Space between nose and mouth is too much
Left side of mouth should be higher
Hairline is a bit low
Skin values are very dark, since the hair is suggesting a lighter environment

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The shadows just look wrong somehow. Crit much appreciated.

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>>2759145
what you posted vs what i see

so much stuff to practice but so few hours in the day

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i get so impatient with hair. i just start to scribble

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how do i stop symbol drawing?

http://imgur.com/a/1Z6ly

What do you think of my hands? How many should I draw a day? And any exercises that you would associate with drawing them?

>>2759311
draw 3D shapes instead of lines.

>>2759311
Use construction. See forms as simple 3D shapes like spheres and cubes

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I need some advice, how to improve. So I'm on this local trading group and i started trading my shitty custom pet portraits for consumables and stuff, so far it worked pretty well, did around six pet portraits (framed) and got exactly what i wanted.

The last two didn't work out though, for one I was suppose to get laundry detergent and a plant (which they offered) and the last one I already received (a train ticket of 25$ worth which i used) but she never offered to pick it up or replied.

So I'm just really wondering what I'm doing wrong and feel bummed. I feel like the ones before were even worse? And maybe it's just flaky people twice in a row, but i don't know, I need an outsider opinion on this, maybe I have my head stuck in my ass

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second pic

>tfw you were new to /ic and got nervous before you posting your art.

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>>2758856
I'm embarrassed at how terrible this study is.
>>2758868
Much thanks Anon, I gave it a good watch~

>>2758515
This is the first traditional portrait I've done in almost a year. I'm not sure how to do hair but this is it for tonight.

>>2759182
>>2759186
do you plan on adding to it? I know your focus was on the temple but I would have loved to see the mountain in the background more defined. also I think a bit of hatching would work better for texturing/shading as opposed to the dots you used but otherwise you captured the temple fairly well

>>2759310
Y'all niggas need a scanner or something to make sure your images are flipped and resized so they aren't so big. don't know what to tell you about hair cause I get impatient too but I feel there's an overwhelming amount of lines overall here. everything else is solid though.

>>2759366
nice hand anon make love to me pls

>>2759150
You're confusing happy accidents/lack of skills with style choices.

>>2759284
Theres a message here but i dont see it. Dark areas call to much attention? She has a horse face? The proportions are grabage? The resise from the original copy was ruined? If you took the time to change the image then go all the way.

>>2759311
Drawing on the right side of the brain by Betty Edwards is pree good I think. Don't read all the shit about brain science though, skip to the exercises or be bored to death. If you don't want to read a book then just look up measuring techniques and practice lots.

>>2759365
I wouldn't stress about it, hit her and the other person up again in a few days see if she replies then.

>>2759411
Surely it can't take your that long to transfer to your computer.

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again sorry
any advice?

>>2759428
not bad, but watch the proportions on the legs. that left thigh seems to go on a bit too long.

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just defined the ear and jaw
also reference

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>>2759435
Looking at the negative space can help to see mistakes, also go darker with em values. She's got this really nice black hair but you have it shaded as the same value as the darkest shadows of her skin.

It's not too bad though Anon, keep it up.

>>2759444
thanks anon :)

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after drawing for a while and not posting on /ic/ it's time to post. It's a sharpshooter of the 95th rifles

>>2759530
How about you fucking read the op.

>>2759533
damn it I forgot to resize it, well take anon

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>>2759530
I resized it for you guys - lurked so long forgot to do it. I feel like it's flat -

>>2759546
Face is symbol drawn, there is no knowledge of draping folds and the gesture is stiff as a board.

Those are a lot to tackle at once, so what I propose is working on improving your gestures so your shit doesn't feel so lifeless and robotic.

>>2759546
>>2759566
I think the pose is alright, but the other stuff does apply. But great subject matter laddie, I'd like to see Sharpe once you get your shit figured out.

>>2758562
Do you have any finished works (as in fully colored/ valued) or do you just believe these are finished as is? Curious.

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So I'm going through Loomis' book on head structure and hands, and I had a question.

He doesn't specify what or how much I should be drawing. Should I be trying to mimick his studies over and over until I feel I can do my own interpretation from imagination without reference, or just do it once and move on with each exercise?

I feel like I'm really autistic and I'll still be in the first dozen pages for months if I try to master every study before moving on. Am I just not drawing enough?

Picture unrelated.

>>2759582
Typically you don't jump into art not knowing what you want. You have to draw first then see what needs improvement. Study then come back and see if you got better.

>>2759573
The pose is "alright" in a non-body breaking sense but it's lifeless. Unless he wanted this guy to be a soldier zombie it's unappealing.

>>2759586
I don't see your problem. It's a soldier standing and waiting. His back being slightly bent makes the weight of the tornister read well. What do you want him to do?
Oh also now that I look at it, his canteen should be hanging down more.

>>2759374
1. I don't know if I'm going to add to it. I'd color it, but I have just crappy pencils and I'll mess it up.
2. I would very mucj like to define the background more, but I'm having trouble with how to do it.
3. Every time I've tried to hatch it does not work out and looks more like lines than shading. The dots are my friends.

I do have watercolors tho, but the fineliner isn't waterproof.

>>2758886
>>2758887
20+ sheets of work, 4 questions, full coverage of what i've been doing over the past weeks, and not a single proper response. what the fuck is this thread.

>>2759601
I dunno. I guess I'm just used to more exaggerated poses (within reason) myself.

>>2759269
How do you do the glossy look on the eyes?

im on the measuring chapter for keys to drawing, can i just use photo refs instead of a person for the exercises?

>>2758886
>1. what can i do to improve from here?
read the rest of the sticky
>2. are there any other fundamental exercises that i am missing?
yes lots, see above. also you dont fully understand what fundamentals are
>3. what would you recommend i do as well as this?
reading the sticky
>4. any other general tips?
resize your photos so that the max length on one side is 1k pixels

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>>2758516

Shit, I fucked his face. What do you think? Eyes should be bigger, right?

>>2759435

As the anon said, push the values, theres a lot of white in your drawing, makes the render flat.

>>2759063

Not bad. You'll get better. Focus on getting the feature correctly places, I think I can hear Loomis screaming

>>2759630

Well I guess we don't know what the fuck you're after. Why don't you set up a goal? I don't clearly see what you're after here, line quality? organic forms? perspective? there's also some figure drawing, anime eyes, fuck man, what is this? It's all over the place. I mean, you shouldn't be drawing those for weeks as you said. Just pick a subject and try to go from there.

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I found this youtube channel https://www.youtube.com/user/onairvideo and I decided to try some.
But I never know what to do during these short 1/2 minute drawings. I feel like there is no time to draw anything properly and I just eyball it and put down some insecure lines.
Is it a good idea to be doing this?

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Also some Hampton.

>>2759700

The point with the timer being so short is so you don't get too distracted with a single part of the body and forget the rest. That's something you gotta fight till you get the confidence to start throwing your gesture lines on demand. Maybe try a couple 3 to 5 minute ones, but always come back to the 1/2 min to see how you do. Its all practice, look at the forms, feel the flow of the pose, don't copy, analyze.

>>2759698
>Well I guess we don't know what the fuck you're after.
just to improve in skill. "think in 3d" and such. you know just get better
>you shouldn't be drawing those for weeks as you said
is this true? i thought this thread was all about grinding fundamentals?

P.S. are there any exercises that i am missing?

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First merchant r8

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Am I doing something wrong? I think I'm finally starting to get the hang of this shit.

>>2759727
CUTE
[spoiler]put some values or hard shadows on him?[/spoiler]

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>>2759269
Trying with colour, but it's looking muddy

>>2759650
Keep the eyes dark and add a highly contrasting highlight

>>2759366
The eyes should be domed at the front since they are spherical. Look at pictures of cats from the side

>>2759761
Anon would you share your routine? when did you start and with what? How many hours a day do you put into drawing/studying? I know it sounds creepy but there's so much material and no one to guide me so I feel lost

>>2759700
https://mega.nz/#!aQNmya4B!SwS1nptN6s4Xjh6T0JDoRe-EdDROIfh-OWY47wciekQ
You're supposed to do this. Or anything really.

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Just saw this thread. Is it worth me continuing through the sticky? I'm assuming you can tell if someone can make it by the result of this exercise.

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finally came around to face my worst enemy

>>2759768
Not him, but if you want a solid guide with explicit exercises:
http://drawabox.com/lesson/1
In addition, read Keys to drawing and Drawing on the right side of your brain and you'll be alright anon.
>>2759791
No one can tell you that. Even if your picture were 10 times worse, you could still make it. But YOU have to want it.

>>2759795
>http://drawabox.com/lesson/1
That's great, thanks.

I'm already halfway through Keys but never get critique when I post the exercises.

>>2759798
Are you the guy we told to start doing keys, instead of coloring, repeatedly a few weeks back?

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>>2759802
No, I don't post too much and when I do it's only Keys to Drawing stuff

Pic related is what I posted a few threads ago

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>>2759804
Reference is this thing I have on my desk, I also messed up by starting on a white canvas instead of grey, the grey areas are supposed to be highlights and not shadows

>>2759804
Ah, you are that guy. It looks pretty good. I suggest you keep doing keys though, it teaches a lot of good stuff, even if no-one comments your works.

>>2759810
I was gonna comment on that. You coulda just hatched or dotted all the non-highlighted areas. But the forms are all there, very good ellipses and curves.
And now that you're done drawing it, you should put it in a bin, because it's fucking hideos. You may keep the vase.

>>2759814
>>2759817
Thanks, I thinking finishing Keys and then reading Drawing on the right side and Drawabox is a good plan.

I also won't make the highlight mistake again. either gray canvas or shadowing accordingly if it is white.

>you should put it in a bin
I'm sort of a minimalist, if I did that my desk would be bare with the exception of my tablet and monitor, besides it was already here before I moved in.

>>2759795
So you're saying it could be 10x worse? Noice!

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>>2759566
>>2759573
>>2759586
>>2759601
>>2759640
Here is the original pose and ref photo. I have a lot to improve on

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>>2759890
here is a another drawing - studies

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>>2759895
I need to stop posting over sized pics

>>2759898
the neck is wayy too wide, your filtrum isn't aligned with the nose and the nose itself is too short. not too bad tho

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>>2759905
Yea, they are just studies I noticed a lot of mistakes here is a another drawing

>>2759912
You need to study Loomis my dude.

>See draw a head a day thread
>Oh maybe I should do that
>See draw a hand a day
>Oh maybe I should do that too
>See multiple other threads about drawing numerous things
>End up feeling overwhelmed and doing none of them
Maybe I should stop coming here every day.

>>2759957
mebe u should stop making excuses and actually do one of them

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>>2758513
First time posting. I tried using the measuring techniques from Keys to Drawing here, not sure how well it worked out though.

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>>2758764
Don't know how I missed that, thanks anon.

>>2758791

Keep fighting the good fight anon.

>>2760016
If there's one thing I like about your post, it s your random structures in perspective. They just look so slick and smooth in comparison to mine.

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>>2759735
it's not even a perfect sphere, dude.

>>2760019
He's starting to get it though.

I'm currently using drawabox to learn to draw first.

Drawing lines is pretty hard. I always have a tiny wobble to my lines.

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>>2758513
Input would be appriciated.

>>2760016

>drawing station point grids already

You are most definitely on the right track.

>>2760016
pretty good desu m8

>>2760040
>station point grid
What is this

>>2760019
Is it absolutely neccessary for my circles to be perfect at this stage? I plan to get them perfect sooner or later, but right now I'm kind of sick of grinding circles after all the grinding it took to get them to where I am right now.

>>2760022
Thanks. This shit is surprisingly hard.

you still around >>2759698 ?

>>2760061

Not necessarily. What's important is that you are getting the concepts down and understanding what the books, lessons, exercises, and board advice is giving you.

Feel free to move on after showing to yourself that you understand. You're always going to be doing the fundamentals throughout your life as you draw. The five basic shapes that make everything literally make everything. You'll get /plenty/ of practice with them.

>>2759793
You're five feet closer to becoming a master!

>>2760090
Thanks for your help. I'm really trying to understand anything I work on.

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>>2759182
>>2759374
tried some color on the temple

>>2760102
that is a solid joke

>>2760140
This gesture was made by passive aggressive professional who used to be gay but then he bought a puppy,now he fucks dogs!

>>2759145
shading maybe try smudging or use 6B or higher to give darker tones in shades over all its like 6/10 in my opinion

>>2760137
i fucking love the minimalist way you detailed the outline of the foliage and clouds. very aesthetic, very pure.

is it that much worse drawing on printer paper? its a lot cheaper than scrapbook paper.

>>2760085
>you still around?

Yeah, just because I can make a passable render does not ascend my stuff from /beg/ tier. I'm pretty much sure I would get kicked out from every other thread and sent here. There's just so much I haven't even touched yet, hands/feet, perspective, landscapes, fucking color even. I feel that I'm in the right place.

Thanks anyways, it means a lot to me senpai. No homo

>>2760137

I really like this man, it's comfy. What did you use to color it?

>>2759986

You did well, but it seems that his right leg is tad too long. If you still haven't read Vilppu/Loomis/Hampton I'd say that you'll have an easy start with figure drawing.

>>2760038

There are some discrepancies with the ref, as the arm being bigger in your drawing, and the position of the head. Thumbnail looks great. Work on measuring/observation

>>2760161

I draw on printer paper, i tought at first that the medium would set me back, but it's really not bad man. Whatever gets you drawing, and if it's cheap, then better

>>2760161

No way. You'd be surprised how good it can be. I'm using it right now.

Whatever you need to get you working is what you're gonna want. You can get 500 pages of copier/printer paper for half the price of a spiral bound sketchbook (just throwing out a rough figure) for many more pages.

Besides, if you're just beginning you're going to want to tear through pages anyway... Just keep a hold of the drawings so you can gauge progress.

>>2760179
>you still around?
i was actually asking you if you were still watching the thread so i could pester you to answer my question >>2759717
since you made that assumption, it looks like you feel pretty good about your efforts. its a pretty good face desu so its not undeserved.

>>2760179
>>2760195
this https://www.amazon.co.uk/cheapshitpaper/dp/B004VQWEIA/ ?

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>>2760156
thanks, that's awesome. I'll take a note of that compliment. But am I ruining that impression with this progress?
>>2760179
thanks, I'm using some unknown brand color pencils.

I'll experiment some more and post the progress!

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critz ples

>>2760208
no, its good.
desu m8 im just an idiot on the internet but i think you're gonna be hot shit when you make it.

Why the fuck hasn't foreshortening clicked for me yet I'm starting to lose my fucking mind

>>2760211
we're all idiots on the internet in here, but thanks man, best compliment ever

>>2759372
what pencils and stuff do you use?

>>2760214
Let's see your boxes in perspective.

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kinda gave up on drawing for a few months. here's a cute girl :3

>>2760206

That works. Right there. If the price is right for you, give it a shot. Literally have packs of 500 sheets I parse out onto a clipboard as I draw.

Worst happens, you have a disposable stack of copier paper to mess around with.

>>2760214

Depends. What are you doing to work on foreshortening?

It's rooted in perspective. If you're having trouble with foreshortening, you're having trouble with perspective. Start learning and applying basic perspective and it'll start clicking.

>>2760230
Now is the perfect opportunity to get back into it!

Read the sticky.

>>2760242
i have, plenty of times

>>2760245
then you know what to work on?

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>>2760248
yes

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>>2760237
>>2760221
Sorry for the late response, most of my recent perspective fundamental exercises have turned into miserable foreshortening failures, so I had to whip something up super quick

>>2760197

Shit, I thought you were another anon who told me to fuck off the /beg/ thread

I don't really know if I could help you, because when I started studying this year I got bored of drawabox and keys to drawing pretty fast, so I jumped right into figures and portraits, and I learned the most from that, my line quality, my construction and observation were all improving at the same time so yeah, I think drawing humans brings a lot of the fundies together but I guess its not the best subject for a begginer to start drawing, as it can be overwhelming and lead to frustration.

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>>2760209

I like them, but be careful with the placement of the features. In the right one the eyes are not on the same level, I feel like you should bring one up/down a bit. And the left one also looks a little weird in the same area

Your values are tight

>>2760260
got halfway through a redline before i thought that it was all too simple and stopped. you should be able to see what is wrong here. also dont take your pen off the paper before the line is done with stuff like this.

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yes yes HOWEVER

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what am i doing wrong?

>>2760263

When you dropped off the books what kind of practice did you do with portraits? Life drawing? I'm limited at what I can do, personally, so I'm just feeling out where you took yourself after jumping off the those two.

>>2760268
Is it because I'm not estimating and accounting for a third vanishing point?

>>2760260

Is this some of the Draw-a-box stuff or just normal two point?

In any case, this kind of thing will ease you into it, but only repetition and learning will make it click. Even when it clicks it's not exactly going to be smooth.

Don't chicken scratch your lines either. That'll short change your work.

Try looking into some lessons or lectures about perspective. There's a bunch of books that will tell you what you wanna know about the subject. I also hear Marshall Vandruff's lectures are great (I haven't seen more than a few. I'm working through Erik Olson's lectures now).

Just work at it, but work smarter with some knowledge behind where you're wanting to head.

>>2760284
no, its because you arent being consistently accurate with your lines.

is >>2760273 correct gesture?

>>2760285
>>2760286
Ah, I think the line issue is because I was rushing through it to get it posted faster. I'll try it again but go slower and be more careful this time and see how it goes. This is just normal two point, although I have been doing some Draw-a-box recently. Thanks.

>>2760279

Well I finished the 250 boxes thing from drawabox and from Keys to Drawing I did the first few chapters. Then I think I started with Drawing the Head and Hands from Loomis, and I watched a lot of videos of people using the method, some of wich don't really know what they're doing, but I guess they serve as bad examples. I drew heads, studied Loomis plates and all that, until I eventually got bored and moved to the next thing

Never went to a life drawing session, don't even think there's one where I live so.

>>2760292

Cool. I was just curious because the head you posted was really good (obvs).

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>>2759311
how do I establish the planes on a female head better? loomis only had a good plane breakdown for male heads in his head and hands book.

>>2760288
no

>>2760299
You need to learn to think in 3D before you tackle something as complex as planes.

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>>2760288

eehh, keep trying. I feel like you're breaking the gesture at some points, at first you should try to draw the arms and legs as one continuous tube/ line for example

Try some naked ref so you don't get confused by the clothes, they also have a gesture of their own, you know? So it's better to just have one to battle with

>>2760299

I find it funny how you put the mouth the other way around

>>2760312
How do I do that? What are the steps I should take?

>>2760273
These are some cool images, where did you find them?

>>2760299

Don't worry about planes right now, you should be entirely concerned with your accuracy, because you're way off on everything.

Practice the simple loomis heads, get the proportions down, and try to plug everything into them where it's supposed to go, or better yet work on less complicated subjects until you get your chops up a bit.

>>2760320
http://reference.sketchdaily.net/en/

>>2760321
What are less complicated subjects?

>>2760316
The biggest thing you can do is draw a whole lot of boxes. Pages on pages on pages of them. Although paper is flat, drawing boxes in perspective can help in the illusion that you're drawing "into" the paper as opposed to "on" it. This isn't a one-off thing, and since you're just starting it'll be a while until it starts to click. But it will. You just have to push through.

>>2760325

Not that anon, but inanimate objects are a better choice for a starter. People is one of the hardest subjects I think

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dying on this fold stupid. WIP......fuck
why is it so hard to see fold groupings?

>>2760299
PROPORTIONS AND PERSPECTIVE FIRST PLS.

PUT YOUR DRAWING OVER THE ORIGINAL, YOU'LL SEE HOW OFF IT IS :(

>>2760277
what do you THINK you're doing wrong?

>>2760208
just so you know, the sky is usually a lighter shade of blue the closer it is to the horizon. look back on your reference. it's a small thing you can start practicing.

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How's this, Squidward?

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>>2760336
Maybe if i knew, i would not ask

>>2760369
I asked cause I'm a beginner too so I can't really see anything wrong with it, but if I hear what you suspect feels off, maybe I can check that specific thing.

>>2760376
Well, it stils look flat and no 3d

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I've been practicing draw a box exercises (on lesson 2 now) but took a break for this, I have chicken scratch problems for sure, hatcheting is a bit different drawing on a screen

>>2760388
How long have you been drawing, anon?

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>>2760394
I did a lot of simple "abstract" crap in highschool, drawing thousands of squares, dead trees, stuff like that that wasn't drawing per say, I never took art classes but did some graphic design stuff in highschool, then I've just done random drawings every once and a while, usually pointalism landscapes which I think I'm actually quite good at, but I want to do webcomics so I need to learn to quickly draw humans well and I can hardly make a line. I started taking it seriously about a month ago though using the sticky and have been working on drawabox.com exercises, I try to put in an hour atleast a day but skip some, and spend a lot more time on others. The sticky helped a fuckkkkkk ton, just reshaping my ideas of what drawing is and how to think and go about it. however when I try draw from imagination I find myself dipping into a lot of bad habits. An anon told me before to stay the fuck away from anatomy because I'm far from it and I know what they mean now.
>Pic related was Oct 4th using a lot of drawabox techniques. (rushed middle right and gave up towards the right)

>>2760291
So you saw how some of your parallel lines didn't going to their vanishing point, right?

>>2760418
The ones on the far right you mean? Yeah, I had a momentary lapse of reason and thought that I could treat it as one-point because it was so close to the right vanishing point.

Ignore the annoying snapchat shit. I was on a road trip with a maniac

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>>2760436
Oops forgot to post pic

>>2760437
I'd love to see your work once you learn construction and non-symbol drawing and non-chicken scratch drawing, you have an interesting sense of style.

>>2760277
Looks like his face is about to slide off his skull.
gib reference.

>>2760542
That's kind of how old people's faces are though, aren't they?

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>>2760354
i love it,
good taste in smt games my friend

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>>2760545
thank you friendo, have one with just the protag himself.

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I think my faces are getting better.

>>2760554
Hard to say without seeing your previous work, but probably. It's not like you can regress.

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>>2760554

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>>2760555

Picture was huge so I resized it.


This is the self-portrait activity from Drawing of the Right Side of the Brain I had ago at a year ago.

>>2760559
Your line confidence is still poor and you're still symbol drawing.

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Working through Keys to Drawing, almost halfway through. Maybe I'll finally stop being a beginner when I finish (nah)

>>2760571
Ref?

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>>2760572
It's from Hyper Angle which is usually posted around here.

is Anthony Jones / Robotpencil's stuff worth buying or watching? he seems to do stuff id like to make.

>>2760621
not for beginner

>>2760574
Do you have a link to download Hyper Angle? The one in the artbook thread is broken.

>>2760179
Much obliged.

>>2760388
I like this

>>2760388
>cocks.jpg
>there's no cocks in the image
gimme some cocks mate

Hi, hello there I'm new. I'm not sure in wich thread to post since there's two so I'll post in both.
I am starting to homeschool and I already have some basic knowledge but I wanna do it all properly and in the "correct order". Basically I need help coming up with a curriculum. SO these are the books I collected from the books thread, in what order should I do this? Should I add/remove something? I'd like to do concept art, mainly environment.
Fundamentals: perspective made easy, Anatomy for sculptors, Color and light, Hampton figure drawing, The Loomis collection, The animators survival kit, How to draw, Robertson.
Digital art:
Robertson: How to render and The skilful huntsman, Digital art masters: volumes 1-6
Others: The art of animal drawing, Fantasy art workshop (2007)

What do you think? Any help appreciated.

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First time trying to do cloth. Does it even look like cloth?

>>2760720
not rly, you know why? Because cloth is basically a texture. Try again, same cloth, draw the oulines but take your time and properly render it. Here's how my art teacher made me LOOK at it properly and not half ass it.
See the darkest area's? Look at the actual picture/model. it's probably black. Is yours black? No, it's a darker shade of gray. Make it black. Do the same for white, basically take the darkest area and the lightest as reference to the rest of the shadows. Always LOOK at what you are drawing.

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>>2760687
Working my way down to cocks, Some day I wiill make glorious cocks for the internet

i did pic related as a joke but still put some effort in it, the arm is really off looking at it after but I'm off my computer already

>>2760343
You're right, I thought it was the other way around for some reason.

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>>2760720
>>2760722
This should help lads. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrit6OPkT_A

How do I "learn" anatomy? Like where do I start? The head? The skeleton?

>>2760767
you can go from skin to skeleton or viceversa.

I know it's better to start out learning with pencil and paper, but I'm thinking of getting a tablet. I want to learn digital art, but to begin with I'd just like to do warmup exercises in a way that doesn't waste a ton of paper. Would this be a good idea or is it better to get good with paper before even starting with a tablet?

>>2760784

Make getting good enough to justify a tablet your goal instead of outright getting a tablet to get good from the beginning.

Use paper. It's much wiser to dole out a quantity of effort anywhere you can.

If you have the money for a tablet, set it aside and you will always have the money. Grind out a justification for it first.

Personal opinion.

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Is the shading correct?

>>2760813
I'm mostly just getting tired of seeing large quantities of paper being wasted on boxes, circles, ellipses and such. I don't want it as a tool to 'get good', just as a way to offload a certain task to make it less wasteful. I'd still be doing studies and such on paper with pencil.
What I'm mainly wondering is if there's a big difference between doing warmup exercises like boxes and shit on a tablet vs on paper. Does mechanical skill translate from tablet to paper in that sense?

>>2760767

I believe it'd better to start with the skelleton, since it have so many important landmarks that show on the surface.

Anyways, if you pick any of the reccomended books on figure (vilppu/Hampton), you will see that they teach you how to draw the figure by abstracting it first, so instead of drawing say the torso you will be drawing a 3D form that represents it like, for instance, a beanbag or a pillow. When you are done abstracting (mannequinization), you'll have learned how to simplify a figure, and can move to proper anatomy, learning the muscles and bones per se (I recommend Anatomy for sculptors by Zarins for this)

I like to think the head and the complete figure as two separate subjects, don't know why. So you could pick any of those to start

In my case I started with portraits (the head) and then moved to figure.

>>2760824
a thousand sides of paper for less than 3 twix
https://www.amazon.co.uk/dankpapes/dp/B000JTKDCW/

what are you complaining about?

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>>2760815
I'm only a /beg/ so I might not be right, this is just what I think:
You have a really soft shading on the sphere which implies some area light or some such.
The shadows should be softer and fade into distance.
The floor is light and big so reflected light should be quite strong.
The place where you put the reflected light shouldn't reflect much, because that's where the cast shadow is.

>>2760824

Man, I don't know. I'd assume.

Just recycle. Or something. I didn't say you wanted it as a tool to "get good" as if by some magic. I meant "get good" as in "a tool for which you to work on until you get to a level of proficiency".

You've got this waste idea in your head as if it matters and have already come up with a solution. Just get the tablet then. You've made your decision. You just want someone else to agree with it.

It doesn't matter, dude. Just do whatever. You ask though, and the consensus is that most of us would rather just use and waste paper on beginner nonsense.

>>2760714
Binge FZD and follow the sticky order.

>>2760829
>>2760842
Alright, I'll keep working on paper.
Thank you for your input.

>>2760179
Thanks anon, I'll definitely move on to Vilppu and the others once I'm done with Keys to Drawing.

>>2760760
Mate are you even trying?

>>2760867
no, drawing is the devil. all of you infidels are going to hell.

>>2760724
For /ic/ sake. Blog?

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Working on rendering

>>2760847
I saw some anons telling a /beg/ that the sticky is obsolete

>>2760871
fix dat mouth and jaw

>>2760873

Scroll up to the top of this thread for a "newer and cleaner sticky". It's got a lot of information in it.

Probably what anon was talking about. The main sticky is about keeping it simple. The new one is expanding on the idea and has itemized lists of... You know, it's really more of a FAQ now.

>you will never be this good as to have an interview on krita's website https://krita.org/en/item/interview-with-danny/

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hey guys, chimin in wit my practice sketch of the day. Some iterative cycles and some stuff on the bottom. My question is, what's the best way to position the legs to make them look like they are carrying the weight? I hear conflicting information on how to locate the center of gravity and I can't seem to bend the leg that isn't bearing the weight. Any help will be greatly appreciated as well as any critiques on my iterations.

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Could not focus at all today.

>>2760018
Thanks man. I feel my lines still bogs them down, but that problem will fix itself by just drawing more.

>>2760040
>>2760042
Thank you fellas for the kind words.

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I know it's awful but how do I avoid fucking up on my perspective so much? It's like I can't keep it coherent. I'll be able to do one thing in a specific angle but then I won't be able to have the other fit with that first thing.

will drawing shapes stacked on shapes in the rough form of a human figure make me better at drawing human figures?

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>>2760961
this one's a bit better but there,s still something fucky about the pelvis angle and the ribcage one

>>2761005
reference?

>>2761018
it's from imagination

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>>2761005

>>2761028
torso too long?

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>>2761028
hey not too bad. First time I get so little corrections lol. Thanks for the

>>2761005
next piece. I have to go read on genitalia but I think my butt/legs look pretty alright.

>>2760961
Lots of studies from references.

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good enough to fill in the rest or should i start over?

>>2761077
mush stylistic imprecise brush

>>2761041
Butt is uneven, legs look good. Try using thinner lines. Why are you drawing porn?

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>>2761082
I dunno, the only thing that makes me want to draw is capturing the essence of lewd. Sounds like fedora tipping but it's true. I'm just still bad.

>>2761081
it's a soft pencil. good post anon

>>2761091
>screenshot instead of save as jpeg

>>2761099
>what is resizing
got any other constructive input?

>>2761102
>got any other constructive input?
ur a fag

>>2761041
That's not how butt-holes work.

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>>2761111
It is after you've penetraded it enough times

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>>2761077
They don't look like perfect cubes, but elongated cubes towards the center.
Also pic related - the cubes become much smaller on one side than the other.

Did you draw the straight lines with one stroke?

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>>2761077
if you want it to be a circle on the ground then its like this.

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>>2761116
yeah i noticed the cuboid look, but i rolled with it because i thought 'hey, still a box'. so you're saying they become too small too quickly/my vanishing points move too much? lines are all one-take but for maybe 4 or 5 that i corrected and erased on
>>2761117
fucking brilliant, thanks

>>2761126
>so you're saying they become too small too quickly/my vanishing points move too much?
What I meant by that image was that your cubecircle isn't symmetrical.
The blue one is the original and the red is flipped. They should match when you have your vanishing point in the middle.

Regarding your lines you should probably listen to >>2761081
and use some regular brush without texture. Right now it's not clear if they're straight or wobbly. That should be easy to see without the texture.

>>2761162
oh god right, i completely neglected flipping my canvas. gonna try the ink pen and see how that turns out.

Thanks for the feedback lads

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>>2761086
>>2761041
>>2761028
>>2761005
new piece

haven't grinded hands yet so I do what i can. Any major fuck up? I feel like I'm getting somewhere even though this is yet another frontal standing pic. I stopped going way too bright and using contrast and harder edges to create highlights. Nothing fantastic but it's a start.

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>>2761442
guess now I just have to go more saturated and I'll be in business. I'll also have to play more with color palettes since this is basically monochrome