Why do people recommend perspective made easy when Scott Robertson

>>2754928
Because art doesn't tend to attract the most... gifted so it's best to introduce it all very slowly.

>>2754928
One is simple and an easy introduction, the other is very intimidating and overly complex, and not actually as accurate and scientific as it leads you to believe

>>2754933
I think it's really more for kids so they don't click on Scott's book and get BTFO.

I might be unaware of the difficulties other face because I've got a high IQ.

>>2754936
Well alright.

Just be aware that you're in the minority. I don't know if you've ever spoken to an artist, but they're kind of a pack of fucking morons.

>>2754944
I haven't.
You're right.

I've seen really basic perspective errors though.
(Not being able to converge all the parallel lines because one is a flat arrow on the road, etc)

>>2754944
this is the truth, just look at /ic/ and the amount of retards who somehow think all the basic concepts explained in How to Draw are somehow complex or obscure

should I read it if I get the basic concept of perspective yet dont have any complex knowledge?

>>2754933
>>2754936
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>>2754946
>>2754957
>artists are soo stupid
>/ic/ is so retarded
>is artist
>posts on /ic/
pls kindly detach your kneecaps

>>2754963
As long as you're not restricting your flow of information to a single source, not tutorial is going to cause you irreparable harm for reading it.

So yes. Just don't expect to be wowed by it.

>>2754928
>Scott Robertson is a way better teacher?

He's not.

His book provides a decent breakdown of construction and good workflows for drawing vehicles but it's a very spotty and overly specialized course. Erik Olsen's NMA perspective series is much more thorough and usable technical education.

Ernest Norling is a superior teacher and his book is still the best introduction to perspective out there. It teaches from the ground level in simple terms and is very easy to digest, which makes it a must have for any wannabe artist. Once you understand the concepts in the book you can move on to more advanced subject teaching.

How do you practice perspective?

I mean the basic rules aren't exactly hard. All you need is patience to draw a lot of guides.

Do you just draw a lot with guides and after a while you won't need any guides anymore?

>>2754928
Vandruff is the actual good teacher (and his series are like 15 buckaroonies in total or something) even if not the best artist himself

>>2755065
You will always use guides. To practice perspective means you have to put many objects within your drawing and put them all in perspective. You can see why this may be a difficult thing depending on the object.

>>2755059
>His book provides a decent breakdown of construction
Fucking How 2 Draw Manga provides a decent breakdown of construction.

It's not a complicated process unless you Bridgeman it up.

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>>2754946
You suffer from dunning kruger syndrome. Chances are you will never get good before you work this out. Most beginners like you want to start with Robertson's book because they have an inflated ego and think the more complicated something is explained = the better it must be for them. This couldn't be any further away from the truth. The sign of a good teacher is not that they can take simple stuff and make it way more convoluted and complicated, but that they can take complex material and make it simple and easy to understand. The very fact that you think Norling is for children is what makes him a far superior teacher to Robertson.

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Guys, I read the entire book, but I dont think i get prespective. any tips?

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>>2755098

Is this a troll?

>>2755150
>Being autistic enough that it's not obvious

>>2755154

You want me to feel bad about my disability? I can not muster the strength to do so.

>>2755150
It's an artistic choice, fuck off.

>>2755162
>>2755098

samefag, fuck off back to /b/

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>>2755163
>>2755166

Not gonna lie, I keck'd

>>2754928

>I understand it's ok as an introduction to perspective

Probably why.

>>2755096
>Most beginners

That's far removed from the truth.
I've been drawing for a year, and I've yet to touch his book.

>>2755096
I've treated every fundamental with the respect it deserves.

My inflated ego exists for a reason.

>>2755825
Post work or gtfo

>>2755825
>My inflated ego exists for a reason.
Because you're a cunt irl? That's usually why people like you say stuff like that. Or they're really insecure.

>>2755844
I don't attack others and put them down, but I know I'm a pearl in a world of shit. You may not like what I have to say, and that's completely fine. It's the truth.

I don't show it. I know it.

>>2755877
lol stfu Illastrat

>>2754928
Because nobody wants to read several hundred pages of an autist like Scott Robertson explaining the most inconsequential details of perspective .

>>2755906
OP here
I couldn't help but feel that Scott Robertson had Autism or Aspergers or some shit like that as I was reading what he wrote.

"There's nothing more fun than stacking boxes!"

>>2754936
fucking kek

this thread is gold

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Is it possible to internalize Scott's book and throw away all of the formulas?

I hate drawing like a mathematician.

>>2755928

There's no mathematics there. Just open the book you lazy fuck.

>>2755931
The key word is like.
It's such a mechanical process.
It feels like I might as well open up blender and trace a 3D model.

>>2755928
Draftsmanship is loose as fuck and doesn't involve formulas, you stupid shit, it just expects you to use a ruler.

>>2755937
I simply don't want to use a ruler.
I'd rather visualize 3D forms with my mind's eye despite its inaccuracies.

>>2755938
Alright, yes you can apply the ideas without the tool.

I mean, shit, I can freehand a straight line, but not long enough for a full page construction effort.

Is this actually your reason or do you just feel that this is "cheating"? Or diminishes your cred?

>>2755938
just use a ruler for a week then you wont need to. You just dont want to fuck up the very basics when you cant tell where something is converging. Once you know IF something is in the proper perspective or not, it can be a wobbly line or a line you have to do multiple times

>>2755696
wtf does the word "most" mean?

>>2756038
Not all.
Most that arrogant don't have the brains to back it up. He's accusing me of being most. He's using the word most to mean all.

>>2755059
Which one faggot?

http://gen.lib.rus.ec/search.php?req=Ernest+norling&open=0&res=25&view=simple&phrase=1&column=def

Best perspective guide for retards that isn't in a 200+page textbook format? Like something with a couple of examples and a few short description things so I don't want to nail my dick to a wall or feel like I'm taking a god damn master degree to learn how to learn perspective.

>>2756282
PSG Tut is online, good 101 for Dummies thing on most art stuff.

https://androidarts.com/art_tut.htm

>>2756284
Thanks I'm in there like a string bikini in a 400 lb woman's ass crack

>>2756281
The dover one obviously, it's much longer and is also the one in the OP.

>>2754928
Geez man, this one is so easy it's not worth a thread.
Elementary kids learn that you can't divide number one, high school kids learn fractions.
You can't move on until you've grasped the simplified concepts.
It's
>Perspective made easy < Vandruff videos < Scott Robertson

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>people thinking Robertson is autistic and very "mathematical"

Oh boy, you guys don't want to read pic related.

>>2756311
Well of course not, why would they? Most people don't like maths and good art doesn't require it, so why do it if it makes you hate art?

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>>2756332

I thought people here make a race with a goal of being "most autistic".

>>2754936
>I've got a high IQ
and if you were actually intelligent, you would know that this is meaningless and irrelevant.

>>2755059
Marshall Vandruff's video series was easier for me to understand than Norling's book. Not knocking Norling, just saying Vandruff should get looked into more. He's pleasant and easy to listen to.

>>2756534
Not him but you're retarded if you think the ability to understand something faster and better is irrelevant.

>>2756536
It's not. But high IQ doesn't imply that. Do some research on it and you'll see what I'm talking about.

>>2756536
Many of the world's most successful and/or skilled individuals had completely average and even below average IQs. It's a poor measurement of intelligence and rarely indicates any one person's capacity to learn.

The only patently valuable tested measurement in regards to learning and understanding things at an elevated level is working memory- which is a skill that can be trained and is not inherent.

Because Scott's book is too advanced. It goes from 0-100 in two chapters.

Perspective made easy is also shit, by the way.

>>2756537
That's exactly what high IQ implies though.
>>2756545
Just shut the fuck up about the same old everyone can learn to be great garbage. Talent exists and determines everything.

>>2756557
Oh I see, you're actually retarded. Carry on then.

>>2756557
Whatever supports your excuses for being perpetually shit I suppose.

>>2756564
I'm in no way implying that I feel that I lack those traits or made them up to find some excuse.

If that is your conclusion I can only pity you since you need to delude yourself into thinking like that to keep going. You fear that it's true. Me on the other hand I don't give a shit if it's true or not since I accepted the harder reality long ago.

>>2756568
>If that is your conclusion I can only pity you since you need to delude yourself into thinking like that to keep going.

My conclusion is that you've already given up or you will give up, because of your religious belief in talent.

>You fear that it's true.
Research and statistics show that it is absolutely true. And I'd be more fearful if it wasn't.

>I accepted the harder reality long ago.
This is the harder reality.

>>2756577
>religious belief in talent
Another make belief interpretation. No point in talking to retards who draw conclusions out of nothing.

>>2756582
I call 'em as I sees 'em. Make an effort to appear more educated or people will make assumptions based on the information you give them.

A belief in talent is not inherently harmful. However, if you think that it's the defining factor in whether or not someone succeeds then you're delusional and will hold back not only yourself but others that you care about as well.

>>2756297
>You can't divide number one

What is .5?
Low IQ dumb-ass.

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>Reading through Scott Robertson's book
>Start losing motivation to keep going through it
>Feel like I'm simply wasting my time by not really drawing anything and not thinking in 3D as I run through it
>Have learned cone of vision, and now I feel like walking away

Use as many sources for something as you can until it clicks. Use videos. It doesn't matter how long it takes as long as you keep going until you understand it entirely.

The people with shit art 4 years out of art school are the people who skipped through perspective and the rest of their fundamentals in favor of continuing to copy references instead of studying them.

Just what are the fundamentals, anyway?

>>2756557
Are you stupid or something ?

>>2754936
>*tips fedora*

>>2758855
>State obvious
>Get attacked for the reality of my superiority to the common man

What kind of shit is this?

>>2758855
>>2758859
You think i'm not smart?

These are my Youtube favorites:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2uUPag8Xaw&index=3&list=FLSJhJGBak4lLoJwCFFS8g3g

I don't care.

I'll show you everything.
I'm a true genius.

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>>2758859
>Get attacked for the reality of my superiority to the common man
You still haven't explained why you're not reading >>2756311 though.

Why is /ic/ like this?

>>2758872
Why not.

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>>2758872

Too many sad people who can't stop procrastinating wanting to prove to others and themselves they must be intellectually superior as a way to validate their existence and avoid suicidal thoughts.

>>2758872
I'm just gonna tell it like it is and say that this place is a cesspool of retards from /pol/, /v/ and /b/.

That's why it's like this.

>>2754928
toys'r'us have pretty good perspectives.

>>2755928
>>2755938

Oh so you're a faggot.