Has there been any case where a guy pays another better artists

>>2726237
Like a Ghost Artist? Probably. Normally it's the artist paying the dude to pose as them, like that mother pretending she wasn't painting her child's work.

>>2726240
more like an idea guy.

I would sincerely hope not.

>>2726250
I think most commercial art falls into this.

>>2726237
There are instances I did a ghost artist gig for people working in AAA companies.

I assume it's more of a time constraint thing on why they do those since they often touch up my work in order to have a consistent feel.

>>2726237
>Has there been any case where a guy pays another better artists to make his paintings?
>like some idea guy?
This is what an art director does. He comes up with the ideas then hires artists who are better than him to do it and can hire multiple people to take on a workload he couldn't alone.

There's also some companies that will have people who specialize in rendering and finishing images. So they might have one guy who is great at coming up with good compositions, then they pass those sketches to their render wunderboys who sit and paint it out all pretty for a week for things like marketing or promo art or splash screens.

This is (in a way) the role of an art director.

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How about

>Damien Hirst
>Jeff Koons

You know, the world's greatest commercial artists. You think them boys make their own paintings? /ic really doesn't have a single clue about the contemporary art world.

Pic very related
These people got whole factories with careerless Asian craftsmen working for them.

>>2726409
>ou think them boys make their own paintings? /ic really doesn't have a single clue about the contemporary art world.
>Pic very related
>These people got whole factories with careerless Asian craftsmen working for them.
Many old masters had workshops too. It's not a new thing.

>>2726418
100% true, but these were protégés. They learnt from their masters.

Koons doesn't know how to hold brushes, he's just hiring people to be excellent, and reaping all the fame. He can't teach for shits.

you mean like bob kane or whatever the name of that double nigger who took credit for creating batman was

>>2727466
Stan Lee? He was retroactively credited with the creation, he didn't push for it.

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>>2727471
stan lee never worked for dc comics you mong

>>2726409
One of the most uninspired works of ""art"" I've seen. It's like a generic kind of image would get if you search "operation" on a stock photo site. I wouldn't be surprised if that where Hirst got it from.

here I found something on Bob Kane aka the cunt who hired people to do work that he took credit for

http://comicsalliance.com/ask-chris-164-bob-kane-is-just-the-worst/

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andy warhol literally had a place called the factory where he made his friends work as slave labor to mass produce copy and paste pre made pictures onto canvas's then he would kiss rich peoples butts and act like a giant faggot and people thought he was deep and shit

By the time Warhol had achieved a reputation, he was working day and night on his paintings. Warhol used silkscreens so that he could mass-produce images the way corporations mass-produced consumer goods. To increase production, he attracted a ménage of adult film performers, drag queens, socialites, drug addicts, musicians, and free-thinkers who became known as the Warhol Superstars, to help him. These "art-workers" helped him create his paintings, starred in his films, and created the atmosphere for which the Factory became legendary.

Speaking in 2002, musician John Cale said, "It wasn't called the Factory for nothing. It was where the assembly line for the silkscreens happened. While one person was making a silkscreen, somebody else would be filming a screen test. Every day something new."

>>2726393
>He comes up with the ideas then hires artists who are better than him

I don't know if 'better' is the right word. The art director would probably be more design focused while the 'better' artists might be better at rendering or certain subjects. It's more hiring specialists while the art director can direct them, while keeping a consistent design vision.

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not exactly the same thing, but thomas kinkade's pyramid scheme approach is pretty horrifying

this article is great, if anyone on /ic/ has time to kill (not gonna make it)
http://www.susanorlean.com/articles/art_for_everybody.html

>>2727474
It was from photos taken during his child's birth, from what I can remember

>>2727506
Hell of a read, thanks anon.

It's interesting to see artists use themselves to sell their art. Frazetta did it too, but at least his work wasn't revoltingly saccharine kitsch.

I remember this little girl who did the Windows95 wallpaper looking paintings that claimed whenever she painted it was God holding her hand and normies ate that shit up, she was even on Oprah.

>>2727506
Oh god, the horror. And all the people who get pulled into this insanity.

>>2727506
I aian't reading all that shit, summarize in one word

>>2727506
>this article is great, if anyone on /ic/ has time to kill (not gonna make it)
>(not gonna make it)

You fucker ;____;

>>2726393
>s. He comes up with the ideas then hires artists who are better than him to do it and can hire multiple people to take on a workload he couldn't alone.
What?
>>2726397
>This is (in a way) the role of an art director.
What?

What he fuck is wrong with you people?

>>2726237
Well sometimes animation directors know Jack shit about 3d so they have to hire someone else to actually model and animate but they are directed by him who knows a lot more about animation than some cheap 3d artist.
I guess you could hire someone to colour or shade too

>>2727485
"Mr. Brainwash" did the exact same thing, and further than that, he was a shitty street artist before that. His mess of a documentary is on Netflix I think.

>>2728013
>What he fuck is wrong with you people?
What do you mean? An art director basically does come up with the aesthetics and ideas, and guides the artists he hires underneath him to carry out that vision. It's not exactly what the OP is asking about (a ghost artist) but it's quite similar in many ways.

>>2726409
but that's some shitty traced photo.
hell, even highlights are blown like in your typical elder CMOS sensors

>>2726237
exit through the gift shop is all about that.
inb4
>banksy

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>>2726237
It's super common. When you establish yourself, your own work and your own style, a lot of people pay others to do the paintings for them. They may come in and do some of the final touches, but if it's their idea, their sketch and someone is doing it in their style, it's still their painting.

If you think I'm bullshitting, look up Kehinde Wiley. He essentially runs a painting factory where people churn out his portraits. When you see his work though, there's no doubting it's his work. If you think it's not okay, try telling that to the masses of people that celebrate him and his work, including museums.

Most successful artists at least have assistants. It's nearly impossible to shit out a ton of paintings if the demand exceeds reality.

Another artist that is well praised is Alex Gross. He has assistants usually paint his backgrounds for him and maybe lay in some base colors so he can come in and do all the tight finish work.

>pic related, Kehinde Wiley

>>2726237
That's what artists did in the past. You don't honestly think they work all on a painting by them self, do you? They just make the big idea, the composition, then tell their apprentices to fill in the details that take too long. Sort of like comic artists.

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>>2726237

You mean like Walt Disney?

Also, IIRC Rembrandt (or some other era dutch painter) was rumored to have hired artists and simply signed his name to them to sell them at a higher value.

There have been a lot especially with sculpture, going back to at least neo classicism

>>2726237
Koons
Hirst
sol lewitt

>>2726409
Came here to post this

>>2726418
I would compare the old masters more to film directors. It's not possible to do all the crafts yourself and still produce work (running the camera, building the set, acting, driving the trucks, setting up the lights) so you get a bunch of people to work under you simultaneously.

Koons and Hirst sketch out something on a napkin, send it off to the factory, and then put their name on it. It's a brand. It means about as much as saying "wow, that new film by Miramax™ sure was fantastic!"

>>2728001
>Kinkage is good at marketing.

This guy did a series of paintings to establish a style,then hired other painters to do variations of them under his direction and sold them as "originals". I met one employee who joked how they would compete to make the signature of their bos distinctive enough so you could tell which employee actually made the painting.

http://www.mkostabi.com

>>2726237
>a guy pays another better artists to make his paintings
>idea guy
Like a movie producer?