Art-BIZ thread Todays menu >how to launch a patreon? >how

Yeah right
http://seks-club.deviantart.com

>I want to be spoonfed without making any effort

>>2661273
I just started drawing furry fetish porn a few weeks ago. Opened commissions a week ago and finished 2 so far. Made $80. Recently got a $65 commission I'll be starting later.
I'll be raising prices once I start getting more people interested and once i get over 250 followers which will probably be in another week or two at the rate things are going.

BTW I'm drawing literally everything and anything, first commission was fart related. Take that as you will but I'm only doing this for a few months and need money badly. I'm also working on furry stuff about 3-4 hours every day and doing another 2-3 hours on studies/real art.

I'm only posting to furaffinity and I've been doing nightly streams on picarto recently. It's been going well overall, I prefer payment upfront and most everyone's been pleasant to work with.

>>2661374
pathetic as fuck
i wont ever draw stupid ass scat furry fetish shit. its so disgusting

>>2661385
While I do understand that people need money to live, I can't help but seeing it as whoring but in art form.

>>2661385
>>2661403

>too soft to roll up their sleeves and get to work because of muh special snowlflake art
>not realizing you can practice fundies by drawing furry and get paid for it

notgoingtomakeit

>>2661409
it's not the rolling up of sleeves people are put of by, it's the rolling up your sleeves and spreading your asshole.

>>2661374
Whatabout the more "normal" furry art? Is there a lot of demand for it or is the market too saturated already?

How to launch patreon: Sign up on patreon, model popular artists summaries and donation tiers like Sakimichan and Zeronis and Ilya Kuvshinov.

How to gain followers: Talk to people online, give them something to follow and to be proud about sharing. Be exciting and passionate, and you'll draw in an excited passionate crowd.

Facebook still a thing: Yes. It is. Gain fans and likes like no other. Instagram is also pretty dope for this, too. I'm still figuring out twitter.

How to self promote: Do things that excite you, make a series that people can tune into and get excited by. Create a hype train of your own design, post on insta, fb, and twitter and engage and love your fan base. You will grow, guaranteed.

Making a living on Patreon: Keep the hype train going, and people WILL donate, especially when you have donation incentives that help grow the fan base (comics, extra wallpapers, videos, etc).

Is it possible to make a living by doing a porn patreon? Yes. It will be slow going, expect days in the beginning of submitting porn or teasing images that get ZERO traction. Expect it and embrace it. Then know that as you go, you'll gain more followers. More daily likers, commenters, all that.

Also, read Seth Godin's Tribes and We're All Weird and Purple Cow. You can be the next Gil Elvgren, but it won't matter if no one knows who you are and if you don't market yourself properly.

>>2661273
ic culture NEET topic central, jesus christ

>>2661502

excellent post senpai

>>2661409
>forcing yourself to draw something you don't like
>being this much of a whore

>>2661502
>Sakimichan and Zeronis and Ilya Kuvshinov
those aren't artists. They're teachers. They sell their tutorials online. Nobody could give 2 fucks about their art.
Shitloads of their clones have existed. Try doing something new.

>>2661273
This board is amazingly immature. Are these really the type of questions that come to mind when you think of the business of illustration? Why does everyone think that the only way to make money freelancing is via Patreon or porn?

That's just sad.

>>2661566

>Why does everyone think that the only way to make money freelancing is via Patreon or porn?

because it is. unless you've got friends in high places or savings to life off of for 2-4 years until you've build somewhat of a reputation and prominence, you won't get 'real jobs' freelancing.

>>2661505
>>2661566
do enlighten us faggots

>>2661585
Figure it out for yourself like every other successful illustrator, "faggot".

>>2661589
you're the one shitting the thread

>>2661566
everyone wants to stay anonymous.
patreon is literally the only way to make money without giving your name out

shouldve rename it
how to make money anonymously general

>>2661273
What sort of porn have you guys actually spent money on?

>>2661596
>spent money

do i look like i'm in any position to spend money on anything nigga. imo anyone who spends money on porn is a fucking moron.

and yet i'd probably think different if i had any money lol.

>>2661596
frivolous dressorder

>>2661594
That would make much, much more sense actually. I always assumed that /ic/ thought "commissions" exclusively meant shitty personal gigs or porn commissions. I now realize people just want to make a little bit of money without actually having their name attached to it.

But why, though? Why not work towards getting more career-oriented work, and building up your illustration brand (likely using your real name)? There is much more money to made in commercial work (not just sci-fi/fantasy/concept illustration) than porn and personal commissions.

>>2661385
>>2661403
>>2661500

Oh yeah I never said it wasn't whoring or that it was dignified.
I'm doing regular porn/pinup too but I'm just not saying no to fetish shit because people are willing to pay more for that and I'm pretty desensitized to everything.

Honestly it's art whoring at its finest but I don't give a fuck, none of it is attached to my real name or style. I need money and I won't be getting another day job for a few months, my real portfolio isn't finished yet so fuck it.
Honestly if you can get a day job then do so, I wouldn't recommend anyone else do this kind of stuff if you're not in to it (which I'm not, but I'm also not bothered by it).
I don't plan on doing this more than 2-3 months but it's an easy $100 a week at least. I'm doing mostly bara/muscle stuff too so I'm getting plenty of practice with anatomy and dynamic poses :^)

Can someone explain how to remain anonymous while using paypal, if it is possible at all?

>>2661988
not unless you have a business account

>>2661793
>There is much more money to made in commercial work (not just sci-fi/fantasy/concept illustration) than porn and personal commissions.

I've never felt that kind of work snowballing forward. In porn you can sort of feel the ground below your feet, and you can feel like popularity and traction provide some growth. For the 'real' kind of work there is no such thing. Who knows if any of the clients you get will ever hire you again or tell anyone that you did good work. And I've never had them pay significantly better either.

>>2661409
At that point you might as well just work a average 9-5. You'll still be miserable, but at least it'll pay more. The moment you're stuck having to answer to the tastes and preferences of other people, you are no longer your own boss. You're an employee. And if your drawing smut, you're basically the artist version of a street whore.

>>2662102

This is unfortunately full of speculation based off poor personal experience. The world of commercial illustration is tough, but not as grim as you describe it. I'm sorry things aren't going very well for you.

>I've never felt that kind of work snowballing forward

It's hard to start, sure - but it gets easier and easier. Go out and read/listen to art/creative director interviews and pay attention to how they find new work. It often comes from seeing someones work in a similar setting as their own, from award publications, from press, etc. Plus the more good work you get published, the more and more you can share on your main website thus increasing the likelihood of landing higher caliber. That sounds like snowballing to me.

> Who knows if any of the clients you get will ever hire you again or tell anyone that you did good work

Again - it's very common to be rehired if you do a good job. Art directors are risk-adverse. They want to hire folks who are reliable and can just get things done well and quickly. When you research art director interviews, you'll hear many of them say this.

>And I've never had them pay significantly better either.

It depends on what you're doing, but the big money in illustration comes from the licensing of the work - not just the time/skill put into it. In other words, you are charging them a bit for the resources put into the work but much more for how they are going to use the work. More usage = higher rate. It's the way the business works once you get to a certain point. Working for larger and more 'prestigious' businesses can pay very, very well per illustration. I've personally made ~$2K on a single illustration, and I've known a few people who've pulled in mid-5 figures for advertising campaigns. No - I won't post work.

Check out the Graphic Artist's Guide to Ethical Pricing Handbook; it's a bit unrealistic IMO for beginning freelancers but they are absolutely attainable rates.

>>2662102
>In porn you can sort of feel the ground below your feet, and you can feel like popularity and traction provide some growth.
The porn market is a dead end route. It's for people who want easy and instant gratification with very little pay off in the long haul game.

Mainstream commercial market is the one with legitimate upward mobility. Porn is fun to do on the side, but to make it the main focus is selling yourself short.

>>2661793
>than porn and personal commissions.

There's a heap of money to be made in personal porn commissions, it's also entirely off the books if you're not the kind of person who spurns a day job.

>>2662253
>There's a heap of money to be made in personal porn commissions
There is, but the amount of money and exposure made through the commercial mainstream will always dwarf it. And it's because with commercial use, you're being commissioned by corporations/businesses who are actually going to use the art you produce for marketing purposes. Unlike the average joe who doesn't have a business and will just commission you to draw his fetish so he can fap to it and brag about/showcase to other random nobodies in some online smut community.

The return from the investment in the commercial market will always be greater.

>>2662265
>The return from the investment in the commercial market will always be greater.

Nonetheless if you do porn on the site at some point of the popularity curve, you can have a 2-3k a month patreon running where you deliver goods that take you a day or two of work. say that's 15 hours of work for 2.5k a month ... or lets be conservative ad say 2k for 20 hours. That's still100$ per hour. Of course getting there takes some time but when you do you can have a very nice side-income with which to supplement your 'real' career. I think dismissing porn as a dead end is very naive.

>>2662265
That assumes a career mentality rather than a hobbyist profiting from his private en-devours.

Also people do tend to aim for the saki-bux.

>>2662294
>I think dismissing porn as a dead end is very naive.
In comparison to the commercial market. It's not naive, it's fact. You're just in denial about it. Porn is a niche, your potential of making money in that will never be as high as in the commercial market because of who your customers are. It's part of the reason why it's easier to break into porn than the commercial market in the first place but the returns don't compare in the long run, provided you have the work ethic. Corporations and business owners vs average joes who don't have businesses. Obviously the business owners will be able to compensate you a lot better for your work on a single piece and any random guy who wants a commission of their fetish.

>>2662307
>your potential of making money in that will never be as high as in the commercial market because of who your customers are

You're confusing potential with realistic, right now a chick who makes disney fan art pulls 50 grand a month. getting a slice of that action really isn't beyond the aspirations of anyone here.

it's also much better if you actually like lewds.

>>2662316
>You're confusing potential with realistic
No, I'm not. Your perspective is skewed because you have no real experience or knowledge on the commercial market. You're completely out of touch with it. All you have is the figures you see people make on patreon. You think Sakimi-chan makes more than ArtGerm? News flash, she doesn't.

>>2662318
No anon, I'm saying a portion of her income is very easily attainable for the average porn artist.
Your perspective is skewed because you're head is inside of your anus.

tl;dr: The average porn artists can make a lot more from porn than the average commercial artist.
Doubly so for the average hobbyist.

>>2662323
>I'm saying a portion of her income is very easily attainable for the average porn artist.
An incredibly small portion that's not even close to half of what she makes. And she still is making less than people like ArtGerm or Loish. No one is refuting that there is money in porn, I'm saying there isn't as much in it as there is in the commercial market. That's a fact given the very nature of the customers you deal with. Get over it.
>tl;dr: The average porn artists can make a lot more from porn than the average commercial artist.
>Doubly so for the average hobbyist.
That's an incredibly shallow statement you can't prove and you can still be a hobbyist who does commercial work on the side. You're the only one who has their head up their own ass here, like most insecure pornfags. You have to try to validate your life choice some way, I guess? You're trying to pretend you understand a market that you're completely out of touch with. Do whatever helps you sleep at night though.

>>2662326
>That's an incredibly shallow statement you can't prove and you can still be a hobbyist who does commercial work on the side. You're the only one who has their head up their own ass here, like most insecure pornfags. You have to try to validate your life choice some way, I guess?

No you stupid cunt, I'm just refuting your blatantly false statements about an industry you clearly have no understanding of that you make from a false sense of superiority.

>>2662331
>No you stupid cunt, I'm just refuting your blatantly false statements
Nothing I've said was false. Stop being an insecure pornfag. Porn has a low entry point and a low cap on what people will pay for a single piece.

>>2662318
>You think Sakimi-chan makes more than ArtGerm? News flash, she doesn't.

you have to be a complete moron to believe this

>>2662355

You seriously think artgerm is making 27 to 52k a month consistantly while putting in the amount of time and effort Sakimichan puts into her monthly patreon goodies? You are absolutely fucking retarded if you do, sorry mate.

>>2662361
He has money coming at him from multiple different avenues, gets commissioned from other businesses that can pay top dollar and a legit teaching gig on top of that. You're completely inept in business. This is why you'll never make it. You're narrow minded. All you can see is patreon. You faggots are hopeless. Seriously.

>>2661502
>>2662124
>>2662364
Hey man, top notch advice. I really appreciate you coming in here and giving your two cents, as not all of us wanna be porn artists.

I've actually been looking for the means to get going and gain more followers.

What you suggested for making a living off Patreon is what I plan to do once I start with my first comic series. I just gotta build my skill up some more before then.

Still, any advice you can give for gaining more followers? I know getting INTO the communities is a big thing. I think that's what I'm gonna start doing a lot more to market my stuff. Gain some exposure and such. I have a lot of people who like my stuff on facebook, but I don't have such luck on dA and tumblr where I only have a measly 6 followers on the former and 0 on the latter.

I was actually planning to make a thread just like this to see if people could share their knowledge.

Just from the base bottom, how would you reckon on just getting started?

>>2662386
I'm >>2662124 . All those posts weren't by the same person.

This is only tip of the iceberg advice: I recommend joining Tumblr and Instagram to start. On Tumblr, you can submit to blogs and have them repost your work easily, which can help get things going when you've got nothing. On Instagram, you can use up to 30 hashtags to bolster your work, as I find people browse hashtags there more than other sites. For both, you need to be creating work that others will connect with in some way. Doing work that other people can't enjoy will get you nowhere. It's up to you to figure out how to create appealing work.

The largest amount of followers can come from having work featured somewhere. In this case, I recommend creating series of work. Creating 5-ish pieces of related work that people would want to share is MUCH more powerful than creating an individual, one-off piece. I highly recommend trying to submit work to relevant subreddits on Reddit. If you're lucky, you'll hit the front page and you'll be able to bring in a good chunk of followers + more.

Good luck!

Source: I currently have 9K Tumblr and 4K Instagram. No - I won't post my work.

I have kind of an odd question, but its been on my mind a lot. I acouple of months ago, I discovered furaffinity, and all its weird fetishes. And I comissioned some artists to draw a few weird furry characters with multiple genitals and breasts for me. Since I can't draw too well myself

But I've come to dislike the fact that I payed people to draw this stuff for me, and now I'm worried it might kill my potential to sell coms in the future. Once I improve and become good enough to sell art.

I havn't started doing coms yet, and I got these under a differant name, but I'm worried people will find out I bought this kind of art from people, and won't like for me for it. Since I want to focus on cute and simple art that everyone can enjoy.

But maybe if your art is good, people will want to buy art from you anyway right? Plus I've decided that once I do start doing comissions, i won't be doing weird fetish coms for people. Maybe regular porn, but thats it.

Am I worried about nothing?

>>2662506
I can 100% guarantee that no one will ever know or give a shit.

>>2661294
>jolly-sheep
>admin

Why is it that these /ic/ groups have admins who are either
a) the worst artist in the entire group
b) flat out beginners
c) delusional, and
d) never contribute as much as the other members of the group
e) all of the above

Think my eyes have cancer looking at that persons trash. Just think THESE are the kinds of anons lurking among us who have the gall to think they can lead anything let alone make money.

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>is gabe really making 60k?

lol. I would if I didn't take days off. Its probably more within the 50-55 range now.

>>2662364

>you're completely inept in business

says the moron that believes artgerm is making 27-52k a month consistantly without putting in any fucking work at all. you are completely braindead son. nothing you say has any credibility.

>>2661273

Anyone else have clients come with weird, non art related requests? I have a regular client that wanted me to join in his personal vendetta against the evil moderators at some furshit forum to upload pictures under a sock account to "fuck the system"

>>2662598

LOL do not ever get involved in autistic bullshit anon. not even for pay.

>>2662605

Ofourse not, haha. I don't have any problems saying no to retarded bullshit but it would be funny to hear stories.

>>2662124
>>2662265
>>2662307
Not everybody is gonna become Artgerm or Mullins or something. Nor should they believe they inevitably will. The superstars might make more than even Sakimichan, but you can't just assume you'll get there, and 90% of people indeed won't.
>t-that's just because ur bad!
That doesn't negate what I said.

>>2662541
theyre the idea guy
look at LAS, lead by another shit artist

>>2662649
>Not everybody is gonna become Artgerm or Mullins or something
Once again, /ic/ fails to realize that there are fields of illustrations outside of fantasy/sci-fi/concept art.

>>2662652

That's true but on exception at least the LAS guy coded the site from scratch for a bunch of random strangers and at least he draws. I can count on my fingers and toes the amount of groups I've been in where the admin/people in power are the idea guys.

>>2662742
the guy is literally talking about "commercial illustration : >>2662124
that's what I'm replying to.

This thread is actually very enlightening despite all the arguing.