Alternative Art/Stylization General

I'm starting to miss those days when op pics actually inspired

>>2650587
I'm starting to miss the days when you weren't a tremendous faggot.

I kinda miss the days where alt threads were actually useful

I miss the days of Malaysia before he was chased off /ic/ by jealous autists like nearly every single other decent artist was

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Alrite dudes, I need serious help
I wanna paint like pic related but i've hit a wall how to reproduce textures like this, can anyone help me?

>>2650604
Textures? Do you not know how to use effects in sai or ps...?
Sai: New layer -> effect -> whatever is in there
PS: Texture map -> layer over image -> Overlay

>>2650604
what color pallete does he use?

>>2650604
Alright, different question
can an anon replicate a portion of this work and show me your process?
the texture thing doesn't work

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meme filters to call it done

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Roast me faggots.

Don't mind me, just establishing some form of chaos.
Lets see if the retards fell for it.

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How am I doing so far

>>2650641
...shut up, Will

>>2650641
law route is shit

>>2650641
Redraw it.

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>>2650635
Gud overall, looks very confident, but I have no idea what's going on with the tail, looks like it's not even attached to her body - which kinda tells me you're not seeing through, not thinking about how it connects to her spine.

Emphasizing the line weight a bit wouldn't hurt you either.

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>>2650635
>>2650705
Oh and you asked for a roast, so here's what the body build reminds me of, a degenerate midget prostitute.

That's just a personal preference tho, keep up the good, confident drawing.

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>>2650710

>>2650710
>>2650705
Yea, I realised the tail is odd. Will work on the line weights in the future.

>>2650563
nearly missed that you faggot

>>2650604
My guess, practice using transparency and layers. Even try and copy a small section of that pic related to see if you emulate the techniques used.

I can't stop making anything else than copying my favorite artists, how do I make something original ?

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>>2650840
all in good fun

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>>2650604
Here are some observations I made in reproducing the style:
-It's a brush. A brush, anon. Don't do what I did.

I'd worry less about the 'texture' and more about your actual lines anyways. Not that I've seen your artwork, but I get this feeling that's what this is all about.

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did really no one save the other one?

>>2651013
...anon...

>>2650632
>>2650635
>>2650604
>>2651013
>no chromatic abbreviation

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Progress

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>>2650985
I wasn't going to draw more, but I ended up doing so anyways.
This is what I did:

1) Lay down lines
2) Add color
3) Redo lines so that they are pixely again, using photoshop pencil tool
4) Add layers as needed
5) Repeat 2-4 until it looks the way you want.

Note: I never draw this way so careful what advice you take from me.

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>>2651013
Here you go.

>>2651247
work [spoiler]way[/spoiler] harder and [spoiler]way[/spoiler] more thoroughly and maybe, just maybe, you'll make it some day, my son

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>>2651273
>draw harder and more thoroughly
yfw my usual art is even more sloppy
>image related
it's my charm amigo!
I'm going into the field of animation with a focus on storyboarding for now. I guess I can afford to be a little sloppy................? I still recognize that I'm sloppy, though. But y'know. It's fun. But hey, criticism is always welcome. Always hard to criticize myself without wondering if I'm being over-self-deprecating, or overconfident.

>>2651280
naw i mean do those fuckin fundies man, or else your animation (even if its just storyboarding) will be boring as fuck

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>>2651013
Or this one?

>>2651307
(repost, woops)
you's right. *sobs* I really do do them, just not often. Tbh I'm just not sure which fundamentals I should focus on. Like, recently my poses have been getting much more interesting and I've been enjoying that. I also recently remembered that I could paint. So where do I go from here, y'know? My sense of composition and layout is slowly improving and I'm getting a better grasp of lighting lately. I feel like I'm improving, but I'm still not at a great level yet.

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now with 200% more meme filters

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>>2650641

>>2651374
I like the part that isn't in the shadow.

>>2651013
>>2651268
>>2651319
based

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So I went from "I wanna draw animu but cant" at age 13 to "ew animu, I'm one edgy tumblr user teenager" to "nevermind" and lastly "desu" and for some reason I keep using this no pressure brush

I like where this is going

>>2651511
Actually I didn't use tumblr in 2010 but I sure as hell had given up on anime

>>2651374
stubble

>>2651511
Why are seemingly vapid topics so popular in anime? I understand that experiences similar to your own are usually the best to write about, but its so rampant.

>>2651519
Not sure how that is related to the image but you must be thinking of slice of life stuff, all other genres I wouldn't exactly call vapid

Or is this question a meme I've never heard of because frankly I'm rarely ever on /ic/

>>2651532
Not that guy, but I'm a weeb artist and I more or less stopped watching anime about a decade ago. I like the style and the potential anime had back in the 80s and 90s, but I just don't like what it's become.

>>2651535

You just have your rose tinted goggles on too tight, anime is as good as it's ever been.

>>2651538
time to wear glasses.

>>2651538
No, it's terrible. It also has nothing to do with nostalgia, as I watched most of the shows from the 90s in the late 2000s.
Either way, I'm not getting into this discussion, as it'll eat up the entire thread.

>>2651535
guy you replied to here
I have phases where I watch a lot of anime and then don't for a long while but overall I just love the styles. Also while I do agree a lot of shit is being produced right now, there's still gems and as anon above me said, todays gems are as good as the good old classics. Though of course that's my subjective view on things.

>>2651511
blog?

>>2651551
rarely update on there but http://www.rokujuukyu.tumblr.com

>>2651560
thanks!

>>2650604

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZMkzjrA5hM

and get your textures off google images or something

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>have expensive sketchbook paper
>instead draw on cheap printer paper
>cut out and paste drawings into expensive sketchbook pages

I can't be the only one that does this

>>2651511
but i like 2016 the best the others looks hideous af.

>>2651511
What program did you use for the textures?
Cute by the way. Like your style, hope you don't stop, because I don't think I've seen you before.

>>2651692
That's actually a smart idea anon. Thank you.

Also, I like some of these drawings quite a bit. But other ones seem a bit flat. Always good to draft, though, so idk if that is what you were doing or if some of these are more serious than others, or whatever. I like the singular middle-left, top drawing, and the furthest right drawing. Idk, there's this intrinsic lighting effect in the lines. That's sweet.

>>2651013
>>2651031
>>2651200
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>>2651442
with so many (you)'s you would think at least one was the original :( instead I got more ahegao meme

WHY DID YOU DELETE YOUR POST ANON? WHYYYYYYYY? I JUST WANT TO SAVE YOUR WORK

>>2651916
... anon... its on the archive...

>>2651923
l-link?

>>2651926
http://google.com

>>2651927
he deleted his post, and the thread is not archived yet, so unless you know of a place which archived them before he got to delete his post, I don't think google will help

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>>2651931
... anon stop embarrassing yourself

>>2651934
>>>2645439
how? p-pl-pleas spoon feed me

>>2651941
>https://boards.fireden.net/ic/thread/2645244/#2645749

found it, ty for the lead

sent

>>2651941
http://google.com

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>>2651240

>>2651319
>moved the jaw too when sticking the tongue even more
make sure you teach others, so that this meme doesn't die with you leaving /ic/

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>>2651947
Even the horse wasn't safe.

>>2651953
but the wolf (?) did

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>>2650641
>dat filename

>>2651721
I used Clip Studio, and thanks!

how do i know if im ready for commissions?

>>2650864
Do requests, use their imagination.

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I wanna post but I don't wanna get ahegao'd wat do

>>2652111
but his ahegao's are cute.

>>2652080
if there is any demand for it basically.

do you have a good number of followers?
are they active with you?
do you interact with them?
do you have a way of receiving $$$?
are you willing to have a set time to sit down and work?

commissions killed my motivation and i haven't drawn in months because i felt so burnt out.

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>>2652111

>>2652111
You just have to accept the fact that it is inevitable.

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How are my anime faces?

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>>2651374
simple mistakes over there

that kind of shadow line only would be possible if she was actually melting with the ground, just like hans solo when melted that metal thing

shadow edges should make sense, it's way too hard on the big shadow and there's no consistent edges on the figure

>>2651374
Needs more blue in the Shadow.

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Does anyone know the hotkey to bring up this thing

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well

>>2652140
I don't want to say you need Loomis, but you need Loomis.

Your placement for all the features are like floating and off. Also if you want it to look cute, use less lines.

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>>2652140

>>2652240
Thanks for making this 100x better :)

>>2652264
Im soon gonna reach 2010 level.

>>2652264
>0 to present with no progress shown inbetween

end this meme

>>2652142
>>2652147

looks like I underestimated the thickness of the body. thanks for the correction anon

also the han solo comment made me chuckle

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>>2651692
>>2651883
Thanks man. Some worked out better than others, but I guess that's just how that works.

Currently trying to get a successful expression sheet going. So far so good.

>>2652303
>>2651692
why they are always horrified?

>>2652310
Both are reactions to my massive penis.

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probably finish up tomorrow

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I just wanted to use crazy midtones. chartreuse/peach for skin and a more silk green for the hair and a shock green for the clothes, since they're blue anyway. (ignore hands, too lazy.)

>>2651692

I just draw on printer paper. Perfect size imo and it holds ink fine.

>>2652399

It's nice, man, but where is the orange in the hair coming from? not environment apparent.

>>2652399
Five stars

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>>2652399
someday you will succed with gigantololi art

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Part 5 i think of how fucked up is loomis. I think i did better this time. Still lack in color..

what ever happened to Mikufag? Did he ever make it?

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Can I get some help/redlines with the hands and arms? Or on everything?

>>2652121
>do you have a good number of followers?
started an insta blog a month ago i got about 50 followers now. Trying to upload daily rarely anyone DM for commission or any art related.
>are they active with you?
they do comment from time to time
>do you have a way of receiving $$$?
Thinking of making a paypal account since all artists are doing that.
>are you willing to have a set time to sit down and work?
Yes I think i can do it in applicable time manner.

The only thing im worried that my art isnt good enough to start comissioning. Also my art >>2652440

>>2652440
blog?

>>2652489
>Also my art >>2652440
wat. dude.

>>2652399
>tfw giantololi anon seems to draw the same theme and you're not really sure if they're progressing or not
Someone post a comparison with gianto loli anon's other works please.

>>2652489
If that's your art, you're ready for commissions. How long did that one take you though? Speed allows you more time to rest instead of drawing all day. Don't be a slave like 16 hours a day. Make sure it's only like 8 hours a day for work or you'll burn out.

>>2652410
The character has natural rainbow hair

>>2652489
>my art isnt good enough to start comissioning

It's not. Learn forms.

>>2652488

Good shit man. Did you practice gestures or what? I love that animator's pencils look.

>>2652506
>If that's your art, you're ready for commissions
LOL WUT
WUT
WUT THE FUG

WUT

JESUS FLIPPING WHAT

>>2652518
why are you chimping out? you don't need to be good to start taking anime commissions.

>>2652528
You don't need to be good to do anything.
Roads, buildings, even to a certain degree surgery.
But that's one of the main reasons the world is so shit.
Stupid people doing shit, other stupid people not seeing any problem to that.
There's probably more misery in the world that comes from direct incompetence than from malice, desu.

>>2652539
world is shit cause its filled with niggers and jews not people who 'arent that good surgeons'

>>2652546
nigger = stupid, incompetent people
jews = clever, sadistic people
the aforementioned are just extreme examples of the latter category.
why do we say "don't behave like a nigger"? Because the niggers that really matter is the nigger on the inside.
(well, it also happens that most niggers are niggers on the inside)
well, all that to say: don't act like a nigger.

>>2652555
ye

>>2652490
https://www.instagram.com/rushkyun/
might make tumblr. but i get discouraged alot since I rarely get any likes in tumblr.
>>2652495
sorry didnt see the post.
>>2652506
D-Danke! I honestly dont know how to find a commissioner but will try to keep drawing and hopefully someones request something.
>>2652517
Danke for the tip!

>>2652601
>D-Danke!
Cute.

>>2652528
if that beginner thread evading shitter can do commissions the sticky has no point and telling others to fuck off to /beg/ are shitposts

>>2652615
Telling people to go to /beg/ is telling them to work on their fundamentals so they don't embarrass themselves when people outside of /ic/ crit their work on their blog. They'll be devastated, but not before /ic/ fucks them up and teaches them what's right even if it isn't good.

>>2652601
>male/19/saudi arabia
gag

>>2652628
Doushio. is it that bad?

>>2652617
that's why you need to fuck off to >>2650474

>>2652518
>>2652517
Ok, so serious question. I'd say I'm more experienced than that anon. But I only have like 6 followers on dA, and 0 on tumblr (I just made a tumblr, and I'm not a fan of its community). How do I go about amassing more followers, and how do I start getting into commission stuff?

I ask cause I really wanna start making money off of this so I can quit my usual job for good and just dedicate my time drawing. I've made a commitment to myself to have a very solid portfolio by December, as well as some clients.

I've literally jumped on unemployment for the next few months, which will last me till November so I can dedicate all my time to portfolio building and grinding the fundamentals hard, as well as practice some new techniques.

I literally do nothing all day but draw, and go to the gym for about an hour. Sometimes I go out on weekends with friends to maintain my sanity, but yeah. If I don't do this, then it's back to the old job come January. But I'd much rather be drawing for a living than teaching company classes if I have a choice.

I get the feeling that making money off of art really takes more marketing than it takes artistic skill.

What advice could you give me to start putting myself out there some, if only to gain one or two regular clients or something?

These are my blogs for reference:
http://manlyspirit.deviantart.com/
http://manlyspirit.tumblr.com/

I wouldn't say I'm amazing, but I do feel fairly confident in my work now to kinda start charging people for commissions and whatnot.
The dA is like a compilation of some of my better stuff, whereas the tumblr I'm sorta building as a legit porfolio, so I'm being very picky of the sort of stuff I show on there. I've also got a facebook, where I've pretty much uploaded anything and everything this I've drawn for the past 3 years as a sort of way of personally keeping track of my progress, and the album has a good 90 likes, as well as regular comments on everything I upload.

>>2652676
You draw things that will bring notice to you like fanart. After that, you can start doing OC and it'll just snowball from there. Joining projects will help you too, but that's much more difficult.

>>2652676
draw cute things like maldraw
http://maldraw.deviantart.com/

he's hated here but his stuff is cute af. big chance he's a girl irl

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>>2652678
Yeah, I've been doing some Zelda fanart, like here >>2651240 and pic related. I've also done a couple 'Smashifieds' of the Project M leaked characters, in an attempt to one-up the actual Smashified dude (their Isaac is pretty terrible), but their marketing scheme with the fake leak was a pretty brilliant way to get a lot of attention.

Other than that, I have a hard time thinking of other things I like that are popular. Oftentimes I find that I have more enjoyment out of drawing OC than fanart, so it's hard for me to think of cool subject matters that might be popular, that haven't been done a lot better by other artists already.

The fanart I have drawn hasn't been really making the rounds the way I'd hoped not, and I'm guessing it's cause it's not "wow" enough, if you catch my drift. I'm beginning to think that it might be because although my art is fairly decent on a technical level, I guess it's kinda missing a lot in the personality department, you know?

>>2652688
you should work on something more modern like right now. most popular thing in this animu community is probably Rem or random overwatch fagfu. Zelda is pretty old and not many people are interested in. Also Pokemon fanart might hit the jackpot.

>>2652676
only the lucky few actually make a living from drawing non-porn art. You could probably make a living right now if you jumped on the fetish wagon, but probably at the cost of your dignity unless you enjoy that kind of thing... which I'm guessing you don't, judging by your art.

If you want to be a professional you still have lots of foundations to grind, and even then its about marketing and being a good businessperson. You could make some dosh with small time commissions but the reality is you only make it in the industry if a) you're really, really good or b) you have insanely good connections.

Good luck though, never give up.

>>2652685
>http://maldraw.deviantart.com/
Damn... s/he's only got a little over double the number of page views and comments I got, with about 3x as many deviations, but a whopping 43 followers to my measly 6.

I get a lot of likes and favorites when I upload stuff, but I guess none of it really draws people in enough to have them stick around for more stuff.

>>2652685
>draws cute OC
>has all these followers
What? Does he shill? He doesn't even do commissions. I can't understand what he's doing right.

>>2652688
you're not missing on personality, you're missing on technique.
Like this pic is decent, but compare to the Kyske you were inspired from.

The other zelda thing, quite frankly, is quite horrible. If you don't see why, you're really quite a long way to go.

How do you practice? I'm concerned that you say only do draw, and you're still on these two pics?

>>2652702
>personality
Is this really a thing

>>2652692
Yeah, I plan on drawing and uploading comics in about a years time. Me and my friend hope to make a name for ourselves through that, so I'd like to not have my name be tarnished by weird fetish porn, lol. Like Dobson and his inflation stuff (though to be fair, Dobson is unpopular for other reasons than his weird fetishes). I mean, I have no problem doing fairly riske or lewd stuff, but not to the level of like weird fetish porn. Like if someone asked me to draw X anime girl naked, I wouldn't have an issue doing so really. It really wouldn't be overly erotic, but more to the level of say a Playboy or SI pinup.

My goal is literally to just draw comics, and have that kinda be put out there. I don't much care for working for bigshot companies or whatever, unless it was as a freelancer for a project or something, and yeah, I certainly don't feel ready for that yet. But one or two clients who regularly commission stuff or something to kinda help me get off the system would be great. My cost of living is very low, and I do give private classes here to sustain myself as well. I just wanna be able to avoid having to go back to the "job" so I can dedicate more time to my art and my projects. Making money of off art would help me, as every project helps me improve.

My long term goal with my m8 is to have a good comic done by around two years for now, have it be free to read online, and have people support us through patreon if they like it so we can dedicate more time for more projects and stuff. He's the writer and I'm the artist. But I just need a stepping stone to get there starting December.

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>>2652702
I jump around between a lot of stuff, I have like... 11 things in the pipeline atm.

It's often when I get to the end of something that I start losing motivation to finish it. So instead of rushing things to get it done and move onto the next one, I've decided to just start something new, and slowly make progress as I finish it. Obviously I wouldn't do this with paid work, since you've got deadlines. But also, if I were to do commission work, chances are I'd market the Daisuke styled stuff the most. Not only has it been well-liked, but it's also the fastest to get done.

The Zelda Mononoke thing, bear in mind that it's MEANT to look like Ghibli. The background. Probably my first ever painted background dude. I'm trying to work a lot more on Environments. That and Machinery are my current focus in fact as I work perspective still.

I'm gonna start churning out a lot more of that stuff, especially since the Zelda one took painfully long. More than it should in fact. So I need to do more to learn better techniques and flow. I can draw figures really fast. Even color them and stuff too. But painting type stuff, takes me FOREVER. So yeah, I've got lots to learn dude, I'm not denying that. But I've seen people with worse portfolios get paid, and a little bit of money to help me dedicate more time to this would be great. Commission work would be great, since it would mean getting paid to do what I'm basically doing now. Practicing and Portfolio building.

>>2652676
I've seen you post here over the last few months, and I think you're overrating your own level of skill. I also get the impression that you tend to reply to your own posts and praise your own works, because it happens every time you post, with the same mindnumbing praise that is extremely uncharacteristic of /ic/.

I also recall you going ballistic when people were giving you critique and doing redlines, and flat out refusing to accept the very noticeable proportional mistakes you were been making.

I'd suggest you start working harder and accepting other people's critique. You also need to understand that you're nowhere near as good as you think you are. There is some potential in your style, but it's underdeveloped and you lack the skill to back it up. You really need to work on expressions, poses, refining the shape of the face in your female characters and generally being more accurate. Your characters are often lopsided and stiff, and don't convey much emotion, because their expressions are so random and fucked up.

>>2652710
>checks out Dobson
>says DA is bad for work
Oh shit what?

>>2652629
>>2652601

>19 m
>arab
>talks in weeb and random german words
>draws shitty animu art

You're moe. If you're cute you can come to the US and be my sex slave. I want to put you in a transparent belly dancer outfit and make you do lewd things in exchange for art tips and redlines.

>>2652676

You're not gonna make a living off it. Pocket change at best. Idk I made a tumblr, about a week ago started posting one drawing a day. I get a ton of likes and reblogs. It's a good platform if you ignore the sjw shit.

How is DA anymore? I haven't been in years. desu I'd rather go pixiv since I draw weeb shit anyway. I just hate DA as a platform.

>>2652734
hey i don't mean to be mean dude, if anything i identify way too much with what you've described. However I would be concerned that you assume your rate of progression to stay the same, while it will probably take a hit before the pro level. there's a wall where your natural level is which will take much more effort to pass than getting from zero to where you are.
And as said by others, you're really not that good. You've got a really long way to go. And you get defensive for almost nothing.
Worst thing? You have eleven thing but nothing that is showable. It's pretty bad man.

>>2652746
I didnt like the last point but.. Danke for the compliments!

>>2652739
>[...]You also need to understand that you're nowhere near as good as you think you are. There is some potential in your style, but it's underdeveloped and you lack the skill to back it up. You really need to work on expressions, poses, refining the shape of the face in your female characters and generally being more accurate. Your characters are often lopsided and stiff, and don't convey much emotion, because their expressions are so random and fucked up.

I always take people's critique quite well dude. When it's actual critique though, not when it's trolls memespouting Loomis over and over again. I actually agree with everthing you said in that last part. That's actually how I feel about my stuff, but really, the only thing that will fix it is more practice to enhance fluidity and stuff, as well as more study. Pretty much what I'm doing now really. I due time. I've been going at it really hard since the beginning of August, and at the pace I'm going, I'm very confident of where I'll be come December.

But it's not really a question of me overrating my own style or work dude. I've seen people with pretty bad stuff land commission work and such, and examples have been given ITT already. I'm not saying I'm a pro, or any of the sort. But if people who are a couple years behind me in terms of skill can get paid for their work, well, I'd like a bit of cash as well desu. It'll help me dedicate more time to this when money starts running low. And I know I've got nowhere to go but up if I keep at it. That's really where I'm coming from really man.

Also, for the record. I've never samefagged on /ic/. If you want, I could start using a trip, but I feel that would prove nothing. I've noticed the positive comments I've gotten too (of course I have), and it really motivates me that some people on here like my work. I just wish that was also reflected in my blogs and such. It would help me earn a bit of much needed cash.

>>2652694
he's also been on dA in less than a year
an another thing i don't get

>>2652746
I don't need to make a living off it. But 100EU a month would be AMAZING. It would be a nice bit of extra income. The cost of living where I live is really low, so every penny counts really dude.

And dA... It's ok I guess. I mostly just upload stuff, reply to the occasional comment, and favorite whatever art I come across that I like. I don't really engage with the community very much if I'm honest. I just use it to post art. 4chan is really the only forum I regularly post in (for the past.... 10 years now...), which is definitely a mistake I think. heh

>>2652746
lots of hate for dA in /ic/ but reminder, sakimichan, kron, akairiot and the creator of breeding season hailed from there.

i guess the hate comes from those who failed to succeed in the easiest place to find fans of your art on the internet.

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>>2652685
Solid stuff man thus guy's going places.

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>>2652746
>If you're cute you can come to the US and be my sex slave. I want to put you in a transparent belly dancer outfit and make you do lewd things in exchange for art tips and redlines.
If this was meant to be a joke you might want to work on your punchlines famalam.

>>2652793
>tfw those people aren't even active on DA anymore

>>2652793
>$28,512 of $30,000 per Term ( 1-2 terms per month)
W-what? sakimichan is fucking rich

>>2652749
I'll get better with time. It's a marathon, not a race dude. Same as fitness really.

Every time I start getting discouraged with my current level, I just take a look at that facebook page which tracks all my stuff from when I started learning art seriously 3 years ago, till now. And the progress is indeed noticeable. Every little piece is one step forward, and every step counts. Like with fitness, so long as you keep at it, then you'll get somewhere. Believe me dude, I know I've still got a LOOOOOONG way to go. But I'm also noticing a bit of genuine interest in my stuff here and there, and my current level is almost at a level where it's good enough to produce decent comics. I still gotta bang out composition and environment as lot more, but I do feel confident of where I'll be in a few more months of this.

I think, if there's two main things I've learned as an artist its:

>You should tailor your skills toward your goals primarily.
No point really in learning speedpainting techniques if your goal is to draw comics for example. I mean, you should still probably learn to paint (which I am), but it shouldn't get too fussed if your painting isn't that great yet, when you won't really be using it at all when drawing a comic.

and two:
>no matter what, so long as you keep drawing and studying, and pushing your comfort zone, you'll improve
I can just look at my stuff from 3 years ago, till now, and see a very clear improvement over time. Whereas my progress between high school at 16 and 3 years ago, before I started seriously learning remained mostly stagnant with no real progression. I can definitely see a dramatic change in my skill now, and that's what keeps me going. Sure, progress isn't exactly linear. It's a lot of micro ups and downs, but as a general trend, it is an upward curve. At least, unlike fitness, you don't have the lure of steroids users pressuring you. Everyone who got good had to grind it out.

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>>2652793

I just don't like the platform. You have to fit stuff to retarded subcategories, and the display is ugly and bloated. The comments sections are just cancerous too and the boards are horrible.

>>2652761

Not into femdom?

>>2652406

Progress. Started painting on the sketch layer...fff

>>2652793
I notice there's a lot of underlying jealousy from a lot of artists here. You can notice it with their tone on the post they make. It's got a slight hint of passive-aggressiveness to it. It's gotten better recently, as it used to be fullblown shitposting a few months back, but now, even though it's died down, it;s still kinda there, just in the background with some anons. Just a slight hint of trying to put other people down, either to their face or behind their backs in order to validate themselves.

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>>2652867
>It's gotten better recently

if anything, it has gotten worse famila

>>2652769
>>2652769
>I always take people's critique quite well dude. When it's actual critique though, not when it's trolls memespouting Loomis over and over again.
Bullshit. I remember being part of a thread where people were trying to help you fix a face that had virtually no jaw, and you spent the entire day arguing against the many people who genuinely tried to help you. It's the same in this thread. You ask for advice, then spit in people's faces when they give it to you, all while hiding behind a veil of "I know I've got a long way to go".

> I've been going at it really hard since the beginning of August, and at the pace I'm going, I'm very confident of where I'll be come December.
Well, when you've failed to reach your goal in December, come back to /ic/ if you're ready to listen. However, I'm guessing X, Y and Z have happened by December, which you didn't foresee, so it doesn't count, right?

Again, you don't know your own skill level. The faces in particular are really bad. Like the Zelda picture above. You can't see that her entire face is lopsided, that she looks cross-eyed and that she's not showing any kind of emotion. She looks like a constipated retard. You also need to work on line weight, line flow and remove the general lumpiness in your art. You also add too many lines where they're completely unnecessary, particularly when drawing female characters. Knowing what lines you don't need to draw is half of the appeal in anime and pseudo-anime styles.

>>2652877
I sorta come and go. But when the Malaysia shitposting was going on, it was really bad. You also had a lot of people who didn't draw passing off as artists using "critique" as an excuse to put people down.

I mean, I hate safespaces and hugboxes and PC culture as much as anyone, but when it comes to critique, there is a fine line. I mean, by its inherent nature, artists always wrestle with self hatred and such, so having trolls berate people really doesn't help at all. Critique yeah, but with a bit of positive reinforcement. I there's anything a lot of the artists on here need really it's a bit of a confidence boost, not the opposite. Recently I've seen and have received a fair bit of very good critque. Perhaps not so much in this thread (since this thread tends to draw a lot of bitter /a/nons, but in others, definitely). Constructive, but mixed in with what they particularly liked and such. A good balance in delivery is always good I think.

>>2652867
95% of that is Malaysia. He tries to deflect criticism by samefagging and praising himself, while at the same time trying to start crusades against other artists by attacking them, starting rumors and agreeing with himself, hoping it will rub off on others.
Would be great if the mods did their job and just permabanned the cunt. I can't fathom what they're thinking by letting him ruin this place.

>>2652888
Why even bring that guy up when that person obviously talks to himself? /ic/ has been the same for years and that's coming from someone who has been here since '13.

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>>2652884
I haven't spit in anyone's face dude. And you sound really bitter. I dunno why you're so invested in this conversation either.

All I did was ask for a bit of advice on gaining more followers and stuff, and you went on a tirade about this, and that, and skill levels, and whatnot. Just by the way you're saying it dude, a lot of what you're saying sounds an awful lot like projection. It honestly sounds like you're not very happy with yourself for whatever reason, and you're taking it out on people on here (in this case me). Lashing out at people like that is NEVER a good way to get people to listen to you either.

Whatever the case might be, you should check this dude's channel man:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1od-xp8MfmE

Not sure if it's the RIGHT video, but just going off of your two last posts, I do feel this sort of advice might really help you out some, as there's a lot of negativity coming from you. I can tell you that their stuff has certainly helped me in a variety of way. So take it in good heart, I'm not trying to patronize you or anything. Consider it advice from one stranger to another.

>>2652896
Jesus christ, this really isn't taking critique quite well.

>>2652903
Shitposter plzgo

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>>2652895
I like what you did with it, but that's not really the style I was going for I'm afraid.

I'm not a huge fan of the more modern anime styles with the overly simplistic noses, and the oval pupils, and symbol eyes. I actually much prefer the 80s/90s anime style which featured a lot more detail. Daisuke Ishiwatari's work in particular resonates with what I like quite particularly.

I mean, it looks good. What you did to it. I'm not knocking it, but I am going for a different style.

And before someone points out the differences between this image and my drawing, I would hope they google more of his work. I have a couple of his artbooks, and the way he draws females can vary quite a bit from piece to piece. I'm not tying to copy Ishiwatari, I'm using him as a source of inspiration.

>>2652893
'13s not something to be proud of anon
big shame

>>2652903
Watch the RSD video dude. It'll do you good. Trust me.

>>2652911
'13 is a pretty big deal dunno what you talking about

>>2652896
There you go again. Instead of listening to anything, you act passive-aggressive and make up excuses.

Remember this thread? Exact same pattern of refusing to listen to people:
https://boards.fireden.net/ic/thread/2454339/#2458114

>>2652916

>mfw been here since '08

Nah kid, go home.

>>2652896
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>>2652909
>>2652912
You've just confirmed everything I've said. You're incapable of accepting criticism and you're completely delusional about your own style and level of skill.

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>>2652918
iirc, most of the "critique" was people complaining about style, and it being "too western."

That's not exactly critique dude, that's just personal preference. Perhaps I'm purposely trying to avoid an overly Japanese alternative style that still has a slight hint of those influences? People complained about it not being "anime enough" and that mixing styles was bad.

Yet, I've posted the follow up to that recently with more characters, and it's gotten a lot praise across the board. It's also what me and my mate agree is the ideal style for the type of comic we're going for.

I listened to the jaw stuff, and did a few fixes on Reika (the orange haired girl), you can see the changes here if you'd like. But complaining about style isn't critique, and I still stand by that. If you don't like it, that's cool. You really don't have to like it. Different tastes and all that. But I'm not gonna change an entire art style to pander to a very niche demographic on an anime thread on one of the slowest boards in an anonymous forum. I'll draw in whatever style I think works best for what I wanna do. If something is wrong in terms of values, colors, construction, gesture, anatomy, or what have you. Then that's a whole different story, and by all means, give me your worst.

After all, these designs have been some of my best received work, and whether they're artists or not doesn't really matter to me, as artists won't really be my target demographic for this comic really man.

If you wanna gimme some critique on any of my work, by all means dude. But if you're gonna complain about style, then I'm not really gonna listen.

>>2652918
>>2652931
>implying you weren't the same faggot in that thread too

You even sound like him. Shitposter, please go, it's people like you that drive away all the good artists from /ic/.

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>>2652935
>>2652933
>>2652931
>>2652923
>>2652918
>>2652916
>>2652912
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>>2652904
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>>2652895
stop shitposting.

>>2652944
You know what, you're right. I'm making an ass out of myself, and posting identifiable work with it too.

I'm out. Later.

>>2652935
How delusional do you have to be to think that shit looks anything like Ishiwatari. There is literally no comparison. And if you're going to mix styles, you have to understand the appeal of the styles you're trying to reference.

>Yet, I've posted the follow up to that recently with more characters, and it's gotten a lot praise across the board. It's also what me and my mate agree is the ideal style for the type of comic we're going for.

And despite how much you seem to think that people love your art, no one seems to be willing to follow you.

>If you wanna gimme some critique on any of my work, by all means dude. But if you're gonna complain about style, then I'm not really gonna listen.
What's the point of trying to help you? Look at your reply to this post? >>2652895
Instead of looking at what was corrected, you go into a tirade about styles and generic anime, then post more generic anime as an example of something you don't think is generic anime. Why not look at the picture and see what was fixed? That can be applied to your picture regardless of the style in question. The problems in your Zelda drawing are technical flaws.

>>2652935
>>2652943
And here we go with the samefagging.

>>2652946
>/ic/ doesn't give good help once again
Fucking hounds

>>2652935
YOURE TRASH HAHAHAHAHAH
Can you atleast accept it after 30 people tell you the truth?
Your attitude is dobson tier LMAO+++/

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>>2652947
>>2652948
>>2652953
Please stop shitposting anon-kun.

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>>2652977
Is this the artist that killed themselves?

Also, why does it say "they/them"?

>>2652977
cute from the knees up, work on your perspective and study legs/feet.

>>2652979
it's what she wants people to call her (instead of traditional female pronouns), it's a thing attention whores do

>>2652979
Why should we seclude by gender? Just call them a neutral word. We should all be neutral for gender shouldn't matter anyways.

>>2652988
What, is it sexist to call girls "she" now? Fucking tumblr

>>2652993
Shut the fuck up.

Humans are a sexually dimorphic species. You can take your special snowflake gender neutral pronouns and shove them up your ass.

>>2652998
Being a human hardly matters on the web when you can't even see each other. So why should gender matter?

>>2652979
becuz thats what I feel most comfortable with
why does it even matter I posted this for my drawing lol

>>2652995
no its when they dont identify as male or female, like agender or something

>>2652995
>tumblr

>>2652988
>she
Can you read anon

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>>2652434
Thank you anon

>>2653005
There are three genders.
Male, Female, Degenerate.

>>2652984
Thanks, I thought of the big feet as a stylization but I definately suck at feet regardless haha

>>2653003
If you're gonna draw a girl, you call it a girl. If you draw a boy, you call it a boy. There's no inbetween.

People who identify as trans and stuff would do themselves a lot more good by accepting their condition is psychological and that they have a mental illness than having people pander to their whimsy

>it's no you who's wrong, it's the whole world that should learn to accept you for who you are
And there lies the whole problem with this ordeal. You're actually doing a lot more harm than good to these people by pandering this nonsense.

>>2653016
>would do themselves a lot more good by accepting their condition is psychological and that they have a mental illness than having people pander to their whimsy
>people actually believe this

>>2653003
>being a human hardly matters on the web
I think it matters a lot, considering it's impossible for a nonhuman to use a computer and post on a forum.

>>2653012
You're coming off half-cocked.

>>2653003
>being a human hardly matters when you can't even see each other
Hello Alien.

>>2653019
>it's impossible
Open your mind, young one.
I know it may seem difficult.

>>2653020
Sorry friend, did I trigger you?

>>2653022
Hello friend.

I thought tumblr teenagers were sensitive but you people lose your shit as soon as someone posts something with pronouns on it. Stop shitposting and go back to art

>>2653029
Guess that one went straight over your head.

>>2653018
Yes, the sensation that you belong in a different gender is a purely psychological issue. Deal is, we don't know how to deal with the psychological aspect properly, so we just treat the physical instead cause it's easier.

Problem is, treating the body is hardly ever the solution, as it doesn't stop the feelings of self-hatred and depression from settling in, since that's where it's really coming from. There's a reason most transgenders wind up committing suicide.

I bear no ill will toward them like this asshole >>2653012 but lets not delve into nonsense here. Gender is binary, and humans can only be male or female, that's it. Attraction is strictly heterosexual, homosexual, and bisexual. Transexuality isn't the special snowflake bullshit feminism tries to make it out to be. It's a mental illness, and should be treated as such. You'd be doing the people suffering from it a lot better if so, rather than trying to make "cisgenders" feel guilty for not being attracted to someone who isn't male nor female anymore due to body modifications.

>>2653016
>never heard of intersex

>>2653024
Anon, are you retarded?

>>2653035
yeah I don't know why trans people go and take being called mentally ill as an insult, having an illness doesn't invalidate you as a person or make you bad, it just means you're not normal- that your brain works differently.

>>2653036
>intersex
Not a gender.

No matter how much you try to redefine the world, gender will forever and always be strictly male or female.

>this thread

SHUT THE FUCK UP AND GO BACK TO DUMBLR

No one gives a shit what gender you are. This is an art board. We draw. Fucking draw or shut the flying fuck up.

>>2653041
I guess because people use this statement to invalidate them, actually. I'd prefer to be cis but I've never been and never will be. I try not to mention my gender anywhere and this is the only time I put pronouns down and people lose their minds. Guess it's time to go back to living as a shapeless being on the internet

>>2653048
Tell that the people who only care about the pronouns on the drawing kek
also
>go back to tumblr meme

>>2653049
I see what you're saying and I agree. It's really too bad people are so hostile towards mental illness. I have a couple of friends who are clearly mentally ill (not trans, though) but because they see it as a weakness they never get help so they are stuck being miserable.

>>2653041
That's exactly it. In fact, it's incredibly INSENSITIVE toward the mentally ill to act that way. I have plenty of friends and family member who suffer from schizophrenia, and paranoia, and depression, and bipolar disorder who get a lot of prejudice and shit for having these problems they never wanted to have in the first place, and a little bit of compassion and understanding can go a long fucking way toward helping people with these problems.

My exgf was bipolar, she was ridiculously cute, but awfully lonely. Poor girl just wanted to be normal and fit in. She just wanted to be loved like anyone else, but her mood swings and mania made her life a complicated mess. Having people treat you like shit because you have a mental disorder certainly doesn't help. If there's any form of acceptance and understanding I'd push toward it'd be compassion and understanding toward the mentally ill, seeing as how many people in my life have this in one form or another, and this stupid transgender nonsense trying to pull away from what it really is, certainly isn't helping the people who REALLY need a shoulder to lean on. It outright pisses me off.

>>2653035
degenerate
1. having lost the physical, mental, or moral qualities considered normal and desirable; showing evidence of decline.

If one says they're not a part of the binary then they are literally a degenerate.

>>2653049
Only a woman could say something this stupid.

>>2653033
Make me bitch

>>2653054
>exgf
>she
>cute
>girl
It's clear you have a bias against transgender because you have feelings towards another gender. Some people don't even feel that. They just want to like another person regardless of gender and really, why should it matter what gender is, when people like each other for who they are and not what gender they are. You should just go away with the whole gender thing too.

>>2653049
See, the problem was that you put a pronoun down as a cry for attention. Had you not put anything there, no one would have said anything. You can identify as whatever you like. Doesn't make it right, but you still have every right to do whatever you want with your body, and to see yourself however you wanna see yourself.

However, especially with the current push by feminism and PC culture toward trying to change society, and make everyone a special snowflake of some sort, calling attention to yourself in way like that will only piss people off.

It's the same as when the brony nonsense was in full force, and you had that ON retard who just HAD to mention Pinky Eye or whatever the fuck. it gets people riled up because they're outright tired of it. Blame feminism, PC culture, and tumblr if anything. If there hadn't been such a strong push forward, people wouldn't really bat an eyelash at a subtle attempt to be different or whatever.

>>2653055
They're still part of the binary, they're just a degenerate in addition to their normal gender.

Not gonna make it

>>2653063
Well it wasn't a cry for attention I just really wanted to put it down somewhere because I never have before haha. And I wanted my followers to know. This wasn't made to be primarily posted on /ic/. It's not even in my description because shit like that makes me cringe. I can see that people get annoyed by it, even I get annoyed by it. And it pisses me off that tumblr pretty much made me feel ashamed for who I am because they make everyone hate people like me lol. I knew it was risky to post this but I guess I expected a less annoying reaction to this.

>>2653063
>you put a pronoun down as a cry for attention.
The problem is with you as the reader, assuming what the artist did. Bad, very bad. They could have put it there just a simple reason and not even attention, but no. It's attention crying because it's different. You know what I mean, so don't deny it either. It's your own voice that caused this.

>>2653062
Except you clearly don't understand anything about attraction at all.

Compassion, Love, and Attraction are all totally different things. And none of those things have anything to do with the fact that you think you belong to a different gender, or no gender.

Gender is binary, and human beings are attracted to specific features. Masculinity and femininity are actual things. When I go out, and talk to girls, girls are attracted to and respond to masculine traits. Things such as authority, confidence, charisma, a deep voice, etc... At the same time, I'm attracted to their feminine traits, a youthful appearance, feminine whimsy, beauty, etc... The are fact.

Girls who like girls, and guys who like guys, are attracted to those traits as well. People who are bisexual, like both, but generally prefer one over the other. Masculine, and feminine, it doesn't change from that. Women who lack femininity aren't attractive to most men, likewise, men who lack masculinity, aren't attractive to most women. That's the way it works. Even among gays, there is a preference for masculine or feminine traits. Just go to /fit/ and see what they all like for example.

Sexual chemistry is an intergal part of a healthy relationship. Sorry to break it to you, but that's the way it is.

>>2653079
People are so caught up by the pronoun they didn't even see it's my birthday :<

>>2653075
>>2653079
It was a cry for attention. It was subtle, and well hidden. but deep down, you know it was.

I've done shit like that in the past too with other things, but the intent is clearly visible anon. There's a slight "will someone notice" attitude behind it.

>>2653075
>Well it wasn't a cry for attention
>>2653085
>People are so caught up by the pronoun they didn't even see it's my birthday

ok

>>2653085
Well, happy birthday, don't do that shit again.

Honestly, I didn't even know it was you on that, it said health RIP, so I thought it might have been made for that one tumblr artist that killed themselves. I saw the thread in the catalog a couple days ago, but didn't bother checking it out.

>>2653088
Why you gotta be making assumptions I already said I don't like that kind of attention it's annoying, having such pronouns isn't even special, it was purely informative. No one cares on twitter (which it was designed for), it's /ic/ who feels it's being a special snowflake thing. I'm in my twenties I'm way past this, shit.

>>2653091
Thanks
What a tumblr user killed themself? Well that's what I get for never being on there

>>2653090
>not getting sarcasm

>>2652977
cyan text is nearly impossible to read unless I switched monitor settings

also gj you derailed a whole thread

chico pls make a new one

>>2653096
>i was only pretending to be retarded

>>2653097
I'm sorry I'll try not to trigger /ic/ next time and about that cyan

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>>2652944

This is for troll-chan, who we all know and are willing to be friends with.

DEAR MIKUFAG
please make this the op for the next thread. Just erase my shit letters first.
thx bby ily

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>>2652688
Not gonna take a ton of time making this decent. If you're really going for old school anime style you need to to make her eyes smaller and her head smaller.

>>2653102
why is her head on fire

>>2653093
It wasn't informative, it was unnecessary. And you're clearly not past it, see >>2653090

The reason people called out the pronoun, is because it being there in the first place was purely unnecessary. Right off the bat, you're demanding that people treat you in a certain way. It just cries out "look at me world, I'm different." When in a normal interaction people would call you a boy or a girl, and you'd step in and say that you're actually trans. Most people would then call you whatever you prefer out of sheer respect. You bring it up if it comes up, not the other way around. Doing it the way you did it is a cry for attention in an attempt to stand out.

Being trans isn't WHO you are in the same way having bipolar disorder isn't WHO a person with bipolar is. It's just something they have. Being gay isn't an identity, it's just a sexual preference, and people who try to push that shit as an identity is fucking annoying because identity politics are fucking retarded.

If you want people to accept you for who you are, then you need to make more out of your characteristics than your ailments, orientations, or how you feel about yourself. Your personality ISN'T your identity, and trying to push identity politics in people's faces will only piss them off as it's a blatant attempt to stand out in a demand that people treat you differently than they would otherwise.

Where in truth, I honestly don't give a fuck if someone is gay or trans or whatever the fuck. But if someone starts acting like they deserve more out of life because of the card they were handed then I'll tell them to shut the fuck up, and look around them as they live in one of the most privileged societies to ever exist in human history. And that's exactly what's happening here.

Next time don't make your mental illness a part of your identity.

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>special snowflake from tumblr derails thread
>muh pronouns!

/pol/! Ge in here and save us!

>>2653110
>It wasn't informative, it was unnecessary
>because I don't like it
>it's unnecessary
Good job, not even going to read the rest of your post

>>2653113
Then don't. Go ahead and continue being a pretentious twat and getting called out when you step out of line.

You clearly love attention, so far be it from me to stop you.

>>2653112
/pol/ is full of fucking retards, don't even start with that shit.

>>2653106
Why does she have a manface?

>>2653109

I have no idea why.

It's a copy of a post from years back. I found it on some archiving site. I remembered it after looking at >>2652944.

It's the same anon I believe. He was always, always, always, complaining about shitposting or trolls or whatever.

I think it's hilarious after all these years he still acts this way.

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>>2653123
Bc girls in 90s animu always did.

>>2653115
That wasn't me though
didnt finish reading either though because you've clearled failed to read as well that I had never listed pronouns anywhere before

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>>2653102
Instead of listening to a broadcast of a drunken Texan hurling cans why wont you stop shitposting on /pol/ and get serious it's been over three almost four years and you are still shit.

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>>2653132
No they didn't.

>>2653136
what?

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What went wrong with pic related, /ic/?

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>>2653132
No, they just had noses, fambolioli.

>>2653123
The fuck are you talking about

>>2653142
gay

>>2653142
Apparently realism still applies in here and you can only identify with two genders

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>>2653138
Guess it depends on the anime but a lot of them did.

>>2653142
>not /c/s drawthread different board edition
shitposts are common here

>>2653146
don't want to start a fire with the gender thing,
but itsn't realism the mainstream style?
most normies I know want to draw realism

Why is this spammer so angry?

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>>2653147
Another example for the record.

>>2653143
This is 80s style senpai.

>>2653149
I don't know about mainstream, but we're in a thread for alternative art and stylization.

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>>2653147
>>2653154
Then that's the whole point then isn't it? Thete's a whole myriad of 90s anime styles, but none of them have girls with manfaces. There's more than one way to draw snine, but a girl is still a girl.

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>>2653154
Looks like a girl to me senpai. This is also 80s.

>>2653158
fucking typos
>anime*

>>2653154
Honest mistake, sorry fambino.

>>2652977
I find it amusing that the insane far-left extremism that's gotten so much attention over the past 5 years, whether it's identity politics, feminism or false accusations of racism, is done in the name of tolerance and acceptance. However, in reality, it's having the opposite effect and has caused an incredibly amount of division and friction against the groups it's trying to prop up, primarily because of the extreme bigotry, hostility and oppression perpetrated by left-wing activists again anything deemed normal or traditional. As a result, millions of young men in the western world are fed up and are rightfully lashing out.

Growing up, I was always an empathetic guy, but the evil, delusional bullshit that's been coming out of the left for years now, has just drained me. I often have to stop and tell myself that a lot of the people who have fallen for this insanity are just misguided, naive teenagers, and that I shouldn't tear into them. Looking at that cutesy, naive drawing of yourself, just kinda makes me feel sympathy towards you. You're just caught up in something that I assume you adopted because you were isolated and lonely when growing up, and these left-wing bigots with their identity politics got their claws into you and presented you with a sense of comfort and belonging. The sad truth is that it's just a cult.

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>>2653159
80's confirmed for best style.

>>2653158
That's true. Sorry the face was so manry for everyone's tastes. I probably used too many sharp angles and should have made things more rounded. I guess I just really like sharp angles like pic. Still man face aside it does hopefully help the original person who posted get an idea of how to improve their art... Minus the man face.

>>2653154
But 80s and 90s are both old school. What difference does it make? They're both a lot more similar to each other than the modern style featuring dot nosed moeblobs. In fact, I'd say that anon is going for a more early 90s late 80s style, considering late 90s started to have the dot noses too. See Evangelion, Golden Boy, etc...

>>2653165
>80's confirmed for best style.
Late 80s until the year 2000 was the ideal period for me.

> Still man face aside it does hopefully help the original person who posted get an idea of how to improve their art.
That faggot's a lost cause.

>>2653167
You're right. I guess I always felt like the 90s was more "angular" than the 80s anime that had that nice round vibe. Either way you make a good point.

>>2653170
I agree with that as well. Maybe up to 2005 but nothing really past that has grabbed my attention in the same way. Oh, well then maybe I shouldn't have wasted my time with critiquing them. I only read the post about them going for a more 90s style.

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>>2653190

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>>2653158
That image is dumb. Just because 4chan obsesses over moeshit doesnt mean it's the only style Japan does nowadays.

pic related is a "modern" anime girl

>>2653199
Is this show any good? Haven't watched Gundam since 00.

>>2653200
And?

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>>2653199
Also another modern anime girl

style isn't bound by time.

>>2653199
I don't get it though. Why are people bitching? That looks very similar in style to that anon's Zelda.

>>2653205
>>2653199
These are really more of a classic style in modern anime though.

>>2653112
Oh we are already here. Just let them peg hard enough with their dildo politics. Remember that /pol/s hero started out as a painter once too then he was exposed to social democrats in his blue collar job as a construction laborer and the rest is history.

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Drink n draw sketches. Apparently three beers impedes my ability to write "freeze sucka" in legible english.

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>>2653208
No, it's just a more serious subject matter.
Moe anime uses a cute style, serious anime uses a more realistic style. This shit happened in the 80s/90s too.

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>>2653205
>>2653199
For the record though both these animes have roots in old school anime. Also Arise was still kind of moe in my opinion. I may just be bias because I felt Arise reinforced why I hate newer anime most of the time.

>>2653209
>/pol/s hero started out as a painter
Milo never painted. Wtf are you talking about?

>>2653207
That's what I was wondering as well. I mean the face is a bit masculine but I didn't think it was super manly. However, if quire a few people feel that way I guess it is.

>>2652688
Looks like she's crosseyed

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>>2653194

>>2653211
But even for being moe, there is a lot more attention to form and detail in what you just posted. Modern moe is basically symbol drawing. Those characters have noses and cheeks, and their eyes change shape based on the angle of their head. You can see the form of the skull. That is not the case for modern moe.

>>2653207
/a/ babies getting upset at females not being moe enough.

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>>2653219
>Modern moe is basically symbol drawing.
Not really. Do you have any idea how much you need to understand form and perspective to be able to simplify that much and make it look good? Little anatomy to guide you through the gesture or anything.

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>>2653199
This is a modern take on a style that was popular in the late 80s and early 90s. If you look at the show itself, it tries to emulate the hand drawn look of the 80s and early 90s, by including lines and hatching in the art, and more layers of shading, both of which were staples of old-school anime, that have been virtually wiped out in post-2000s anime.

>>2653216
>>2653222
No wait, I meant the original. This one >>2652688

I'm genuinely curious about people's problem with it, as I personally quite like it. The colors could use a lot of work. But the actual style and design look pretty good (hair needs work though).

But I really don't get why people are so offended by it, it honestly looks an awful lot like a mix of >>2653199 and >>2653138.

>>2653223
You should post an image that supports your arguement anon

>>2653226

You must be an anime connoisseur.

>>2653222
also know as 'not going to make it' shitpost edition

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>>2653230
The more effortless it looks, the harder it was to make.

>>2653223
You make it sound like it's harder than realism, when it's really not. You're dealing with simpler forms and use basic guidelines.

Also, what you posted isn't moe, it's cartoon.

>>2653219
>basically symbol drawing
This term is useless for talking about stylization.

uhm, new thread >>2653231

>>2653229
see
>>2653222
>>2653234

>>2653229
Eyes are out of focus, face is off, head is too big, the nose bridge is way too skinny. I think the problem is they're drawing moe proportions with realistic style.

>>2653236
When you draw realistically you can just memorize anatomy and draw a "perfect" portrait every time.

Being able to imagine and deform takes more time.

>>2653223
>posting yoshinari meme

typical post

>>2653237
>>2653235

No it's not.

>>2653232
And you must be a shitposter.

>>2653243
You clearly have no idea what you're talking about. Get back to doing studies and quit saying stupid shit.

>>2653229
What the fuck is wrong with you? I mean, are you actually dimwitted enough to think we can't see through your pathetic attempts at praising yourself?
You need to grow up and learn to take criticism.

>>2653242
>head is too big

You know it's in perspective, right?

>>2653246
Why are you honestly so angry?

>>2653248
What?

>>2653249
Yea and it's still out of perspective.

>>2653253
Kay, just making sure.

>>2652977
Holy fuck all this drama over a pretty innocuous picture. Cute drawing though, happy birthday.

why did you all stop suddenly talking

>>2653335
They went to bed it's inhumane to shit post 24/7 I'm glad it stopped. Just full of non sense honestly.

>>2653383
Or the thread autosaged and everyone stopped giving a fuck.

>>2652539
>comparing architecture to an anime drawing

OKAY

>>2653585
Way to miss the point retard-kun.
To spell it, the problem is with the whole "being good doesn't matter" attitude.
In general, who do you think is able to see architectural flaws in a building, the people who fap to KJG or somebody who unable to see if a drawing is good or not?
>inb4 it's a different skillset
it's the same attitude that makes one humble and wanting to learn about all subjects, if you're just denying the possibility to learn the specific skillset doesn't matter.

>>2653106
She is as disgusted with her new face as I am.