>http://breedingseasongame.blogspot .my/2016/07/breeding-

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Who cares lol? That's what you get for trusting a fetishist with your hard earned dollars, you stupid degenerate.

never trust artists. game dev 101 fellas.

Really wish the project had started from the beginning as 3D

3D guys don't pull shit like this

>>2601669
Damn. I felt bad the few times I fucked up and had to give people refunds but this guy just takes 190 thousand dollars and walks out with it.

>working with worthless tumblr based artists with no real industry experience.

That was his first mistake. You should never collaborate with tumblr artists ~ specially in the smut circle. Those faggots are the furthest thing from professionalism you can get. They tend to be extremely selfish and can only think about themselves. Some of the worst people on the planet. Worse than some of the consumers that actually purchase their work.

>>2601679
Yea they do like the bear sim guy
Pewdiepie said his game is shit so he dropped it

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>>2601678

This.

You need a rock-solid contract if you ever do business with an artist.

>>2601695
he states he didn't know how popular the project would get, aka 30k per month on patreon. back when you first start passion projects you can't afford industry pros nor can you justify them.

>>2601696
The circumstances of that were completely different.

>>2601699
Knowing they had a small team with little real professionalism, they should have kept the scope of this project very small, finished it, and moved onto the next project if they wanted to do more. It's a very bad move to let a project grow to be so big when it wasn't founded on professional individuals who have experience and know the business. They literally bit off more than they could chew for no real good reason.

>>2601716
it's a shitty 2D flash pixel game it's not really insane like trying to make an mmo. either way these people never got past an alpha demo with severaly cut features.

>no real good reason
30k per month on patreon

>>2601678
more like never trust crowd funding in general. Plenty of game devs have pulled the same shit.

Serve them right for being a furryfags

wow triple whammy. dont get why someone would fuck another over like that. why ruin your rep and forsake even more benefits?
also why not just leave the art there? they planning to use the characters in their game or some shit?
>mfw he took down his new patreon

>Wouldn't it be funny, though, if just somehow some particularly dedicated fan were to guess the password to my Dropbox account (I'm the worst with coming up with secure passwords, I always put something obvious like the name of my favorite fighting game series or something) and were to get ahold of the folder containing every file involved in the game's creation?
kek
cheeky bastard

What a shame.
I've played the game before in it's much earlier state and liked it. It was fun, though got repetitive until you unlocked a new beast. It was so popular, I was sure they would finish it. Oh well.

Damn that's a pretty feral approach to things, I guess the cat's out of the basket now

I feel like passion projects always turn out this way. Someone always has to go insane.

>>2601669
do we have more sides to this story?

>>2602044
No, they are all gone

>>2602060
vanillycheesecake.tumblr.com/post/147388687000/regarding-breeding-season

>>2601669
>>2601697
^ this.

>>2601695
>tumblr artists
fucking newfags man

>>2602080
>vanillycheesecake.tumblr.com/post/147388687000/regarding-breeding-season

wtf theres like a whole underground world of artists drawing smut and shit.. wtf? they're obvs talented, why the hell are they not doing bigger things like CalArts or disney or something. they're just stuck in this underground world of weird fetishes and animal porn wtf

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I'm willing to spend my life savings to hire a programmer to help me make a small game; I'm going to succeed (or more likely fail and spectacularly so) on my own. Why would you ever offer an unconditional (or "barely" conditional) partnership with someone you barely know? Not only are you potentially sacrificing a shit load of money, but that's how this stuff happens.

Who is the person who wrote the article in the OP anyway? Is he just the "idea guy" / "project manager" or what? If so fuck him, honestly. He probably earned ludicrous amounts of money for doing next to nothing anyway so it's not like a major loss for him. Not that what the artist did was right-he agreed to take on the project, was paid very well as far as artists go, and apparently tried to steal this otherwise worthless idea guy's idea, so fuck him too.

Let's not lose sight of who the real victims are here, though: the Patrons and people like us who'd like to try and crowdfund something someday but have to wade into the noxious miasma created by untrustworthy shit heads with no business sense (or common sense) who continue to drop the ball time and time again. The more these crowdfunded projects go down (and it seems to be happening more and more often as these people realize there's no consequences...for them!) the less likely our own work might receive this kind of public financial support in the future.

>>2602118
Because drawing porn is lower entry. A person with average skills can make decent money, more than he would make at an entry level mainstream art job, with far less working ours and no struggle to get in. It also offers no room for growth. People draw porn for a living because they want a more relaxed job with okish pay, or they haven't managed to land a good job yet and the porn offers a decent alternative.

>>2602118
>draw what I want!!!!!
Fuck off.

>>2602118
They're on tumblr, so it doesn't count :^)

>>2602129
I don't get that impression from the post. I think the dude's just saying that a lot of these people are definitely good enough to "go legit" but instead they're drawing naked anime people for $200 a month. "Must be rough out there" in other words.

>>2602131
>They're on tumblr, so it doesn't count :^)
I don't understand what you mean by this

>>2602125
Is there any bad side from starting your art career by drawing porn if you try to break into something else?
I know Rebecca Sugar used to do Invader Zim and Ed Edd and Eddy porn but she wasn't a full on lewd artist.

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>He pulled this same shit with Broquest. It was your own fault for not doing research on this cunt.

What did he mean by this?

>>2602122
yeah the only reason it got popular was the art. the writing and 'programming' is some of the worst stuff you'll ever see.

>>2602137
Why are you asking?

>>2602147
Why do you think?

>>2602148
Never gonna make it
If you wanna become artist you should learn to make your own decisions :^

>>2602157
Thanks for the meme

>>2601669
>paying for porn
>giving money to amateurs
>trusting patreon at all
Man, all kickstarter shit is a scam.

>>2601707
the circumstances don't matter. it was still shit.

>>contract let the artists keep full rights to the art assets
lol stupid fucks

>>2602118
>>2602134
a lot of it is just people wanting quick money, or not having the money to pay for higher education and not wanting dept.
also some of the best artists in the industry are self-taught, art school isn't the answer to everything.

>>2602181
>best artists in the industry are self-taught
Name 30 self-taught artists
>backpedalling in 3...2....1

so how would this have played out if the rights to the art went to both the artist and creator?

>>2602212
They would probably have been able to continue development, keep the assets and just replace the artist.

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>>2602185
Not him but

>if you can't satisfy this completely arbitrary condition of my own design you're wrong

I bet you couldn't even "name 30 industry artists" without looking them up either you dumbass. That wouldn't invalidate whatever point you were trying to make, but that would be assuming you had one to begin with, lol

>reminder that 90% of art school graduates don't make it
>reminder that 84% of working artists are self-taught
>reminder that making damage control posts on behalf of a failed educational system on /ic/ isn't going to pay off your art school debt

>>2602212
>both
They'd fight over it more. They can't "both" own it. The rights are supposed to be signed to the creator/leader of the project in order to prevent flakes and amateurs from destroying the project. If handled properly, you just replace whoever takes their leave and continue with the work. People who leave aren't supposed to take their work with them. Over the course of the job, they've already been compensated for the work they've done, so it's supposed to be fair that the work remains with the project.

That said, there are still ways all that can still go horribly wrong. Sometimes people will fight for legal ownership over a thing they don't own, etc.

With Jews you lose.

>>2602242
fuck off /pol/

>>2602226
>meme
>backpedalling
I don't even need to read your post.
Again
Name 30 self-taught artists. Use internet.

>>2602246
>Name self taught artists.
>I won't read your post

>>2602118
>why are they wasting their talents
because furries will pay top dollar for people to draw stuff that caters to their taste

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What did he mean by this

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>>2602247

>>2602265
>taking a photo of a pc game
>terraria
You're more autistic then the people who supported this paytreon.

>>2602264
someone on /v/ cracked the password (it was guiltygear) and made the dropbox link public
played some of the game out of curiosity, it's basically farmville for furries

>>2602268

> actually playing Terraria
what kind of plœb do you take me for? the image was downloaded from here

>>2601669
>Backers were mostly people that was already in the Broquest blunder
>Main responsabile for said blunder was the fuckwit artist
>They knew perfectly at who they were giving their money

Amen.

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>>2602268

>>2602245
/pol/ is always right.

Fun fact: Whenever /pol/ or kikes are mentioned, the thread can't be taken seriously anymore.

The only people are fault are the idiots who backed this game. It's been 2 years and they haven't even finished, hell they can even put animations in the game.

Fuck all parties involved

Holy crap they was getting so much money and it all fell apart.

I don't understand how people can be so bad at managing people.

>people will be mad at SPurple for killing Breeding Season
>the same people won't care in a week and back his game anyway because porn

Losers.

>>2602246
How many artists even have interviews online and specifically mention what school they did or did not go to? I don't know and I don't intend to find out on your behalf. Fuck off with your arbitrary demands. The numbers prove the claim, I don't have to jump through hoops to appease you. Meeting these demands wouldn't add anything to the discussion anyway; you'd just respond by further moving the goalposts if I were to take the time to address them (just as you've done by dismissing the quotes from seven artists and the census data accompanying it).

>>2602271
I think Terraria is a breddy gud game.

>>2602108
>newfag

If people can only view your art on tumblr, if tumblr is your main fucking gallery for your artwork, if you don't have a REAL website to host your work. You're a tumblr artists faggot.

>>2602271
>plœb

How to spot the fedora.

Gotta write contracts properly people.

this shitshow got a kotaku article

>>2602365
>>2602365
>>2602365
THIS THIS THIS THIS

The game has had a ton of things taken off and removed and they never replaced them. The game got parts cut and people paid just because PORN.

>>2602537
Written by of all people, Patricia Hernandez. Classic.

>>2602537
If this is true then LMAOOOOOO

http://s-purple.tumblr.com/post/147403501461/im-currently-putting-together-a-point-by-point

He's got a point; SPurple basically doxxing him and more or less egging people on to attack him is a REALLY REALLY dick move.

>>2602600
S-Purple and H-Bomb are both immature morons. The only people innocent in this situation are the patrons. The entire dev team are all guilty of being incompetent morons. And it seems all of them are just trying to shift blame instead of being adults and owning up to their fuck ups as a team. None of them are victims.

>>2602607
>The only people innocent in this situation are the patron
See
>>2602365
They backers gave them boatloads of money and the devs never got work done, yet backers kept giving them money. Porn is fucking retarded to pay for.

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>>2602615
>Porn is fucking retarded to pay for.

Only when you're paying for a product that isn't fucking finished. I'm all for supporting artists who actually finish their work. But fuck Patreon IN GENERAL. Most patreon artists never actually finish shit or stick to a schedule, very few internet based artists have that discipline, specially in the smut art circle. The only smut related patreon I can think of that's even remotely consistent with it's schedule is Reiq's. So even though his work isn't the best and he renders skin like plastic, I respect him on that he actually delivers to his patrons unlike 90% of the other smut related patreons.

>>2602600
You mean H-Bomb doxxing S-Purple. Anyway, leaving a project you were paid very well for, stealing the content you were paid to create for it and making your own project off of stolen ideas from that project is a far more dick move than having to own up to your own actions.

>>2602600
I want to know what happened with Broquest; people are saying S-Purple was involved somehow there as well.

This guy sounds like a piece of shit and his words really don't mean dick. He can literally say anything and probably will.

H-Bomb is by all appearances a useless idea guy and I imagine that's exactly what S-Purple is going to say, but that's completely irrelevant when the art staff are making nearly six figure salaries. You don't take the one thing someone has going for them and run off with it after collecting almost $200,000 off that thing's back, just because you technically, legally could.

What a total faggot-I hope he never finds work again. If there's any justice in this world him and Anthony Jones will have all of the bones in their hands broken after a terrible fapping accident.

>>2602631

I imagine since we are all artists that we feel anger towards Shwiggy/S-Purple because he made all that money (which starting artists usually don't make) and then he abused it.

He lived the dream and then he tainted it. I'm worried how this will be seen when employeers look for artists. Hopefully this Breeding Season scandal is only limited to this corner of the internet.

>>2602631
With BroQuest, Shwig was the main artist and driving force behind the project.
There was no money involved, everyone, including Shwig was doing it in their own freetime. The problem was, Shwig was the only one doing work, the group couldn't find a competent programmer, and in general everyone else involved wasn't putting in much effort, so Shwig left. And since Shwig defined the style of BroQuest that drew people in, him leaving effectively ended it.
But to reiterate, BroQuest wasn't going any where, it was a bunch of idea guys and artists, speaking as somebody that was involved with it.

>>2602607
>None of them are victims.


Yeah I wanna hear the other guys points, I have my doubts he would leave all that money behind for an off chance at making another game.

I mean he is probably a greedy fuck, but he'd have to be a stupid greedy fuck with no sense to just up and leave such a lucrative project.

>>2602607
>The entire dev team are all guilty of being incompetent morons
What did Vanilly do that was incompetent? She worked hard, took over the slack when she didn't need to, and submitted a formal two weeks notice, that's hardly incompetent.

>>2602662
>What did Vanilly do that was incompetent?
Co-sign S-Purple's incompetence. That dev team was full of grown adults who still had the mind of fucking children. None of them are innocent.

>>2602643
>money

Not really, that'd just be petty jealousy. I'm always pissed when the well of crowdfunding is poisoned by the irresponsibility and general shittyness of others, though

>>2602651
Oh, I didn't know that. If that's the case I take back some of the stuff I said.

>>2602656
I know what this is about before he even says anything. His motives are clear. He just wants to cut out the idea guy who himself was taking in money without doing much of anything substantial (that's what idea guys do).

"Management" is always by far the easiest (and honestly, most irrelevant) job on a small team like this so it's common (and understandable I might add) for artists-who put in more work in two or three drawings than a "manager"/"writer"/whatever might put in for 3 months-to get butthurt about idea guys getting a large percentage of the money. Still, this was the wrong way to go about it.

All that patron money and the fact he intends to steal the idea for himself are all a testament to the fact that the idea does have tangible value, even if the guy behind it does not. It was his idea that made all of that money and his personal shortcomings are mostly irrelevant to be honest family.

It was S-Purple's desire for a greater percentage of money for himself that lead to his subversion of Breeding Season and there's little he could possibly say to convince me otherwise.

Think of all the freefloating dollars now that this project is dead

I don't think there's anything he can say that will make him not an asshole. At most he can shit on others too, but he has no way of saving his image. All he had to do is be upfront with the fact he was leaving to do his own shit game and sell the assets he worked on. He didn't even have to give up his right to use them, all he had to do is let them be used in the game instead of intentionally pulling the cord off a 3 year 30k dollars a month project that people have been funding and then trying to market his game to the very same audience he just completely screwed over. I don't care what the fuck went on in that team, the guy is completely crazy for trying to get people on board with his game as all this shit is going on.

>cloud meadow already had 270$ pledged

LOLOLOL

>>2602829
People on the internet are sheep. Even more so in the smut art circle. If you have a fanbase, they will literally bend over backwards to justify your incompetence as a human being because they themselves are lonely sacks of shit who have no real friends. That's why you've got some artists who put off commissions they owe people for months upon months on end even though they already received the payment for them. The smut art circle is nothing but inexcusably poor professionalism on the part of the artists.

>>2602829

i've been in the position as him where i went on board with an idea guy who lied to me about the work he would put in and coasted his way to sales. it was just a small project which is why i finished it and never talked to the guy again, but breeding season takes a shitton of assets from the artist. the only reason anyone paid attention to BS is the art, seriously, try to play this crap and see how horrible it is.

he knew the idea guy would go on and hire someone else with all the money he made, so he scorched earth. i'm not saying this was right, but i know exactly what happened and what lead to him snapping. when someone else makes money off of and taints your passion project; you'd rather it die.

>>2602880
You make it sound like he was exploited when he was making 9 grand a month and doing almost no work for it. Whatever work he did was paid a hundred times over. I played the game, there isn't 3 years worth of art content in it.

>>2602880
There is no justifying s-purple's incompetence. He wasn't being exploited, the faggot got paid. There is no excuse. Artists love trying to pain themselves as victims. It's obnoxious.

>>2602880
h-bomb is actually the creator of the game though. i can understand if he feels the way you described it, but he would be wrong. hbomb is like the director here, it's his game, and he was retarded enough to give s-purple the right to the art assets. now s-purple is using this to steal the game, there is no way around it.

now hbomb may be incompetent as the man in charge, but they should have discussed it more. this is not the way to do it no matter how you look at it. and i really do wonder what the hell spurple was expecting out of this. did he think he could just take over the project? like THIS? what was his plan here?

>>2602880
>taints your passion project
Different anon here. I can understand wanting to scorch earth if the original idea was your own and you made a huge mistake that resulted in other people fucking with and destroyed your original idea. But the artist in this case wasn't the original creator. He was someone who joined another persons project. I've been in both kinds of scenarios, fucked over in both scenarios, and I have to say, when it's another persons original idea, I can't understand the scorched earth policy at all, no matter how badly fucked over I was. It was never yours to begin with, and by trying to take ownership, you're doing what the first scenario I listed experienced -- someone coming in and fucking up another persons passion project.

Sounds to me like he got overly attached to it and decided to take it and make it his. And that's just pure batshit insanity. I've had people do that to me, I've had friends that had that happen to them, and it's what causes feelings of wanting to scorch your own project, not the other way around. He's scorching the main project so he can claim ownership over it, not because he's distraught. The reason he's obsessed with legalities, is because he's trying to establish a scenario where no one can challenge his claim over it. The one who is distraught and scorching earth is the original creator, which is why he outed his own assets.

I think you have it backwards, anon. Your hatred for idea guys who coast might be clouding your vision a little.

>>2602907
>when it's another persons original idea, I can't understand the scorched earth policy at all

See >>2602901

It's not something to really understand because it makes no real sense. A lot of artists have a terrible habit painting themselves as victims whenever they collaborate with a non-artist and something goes wrong. Nevermind that a lot of artists who have this irrational hatred for "idea guys" never have any real good ideas of their own in the first place.

>>2602907
>joined another persons project
it takes about ten minutes to come up with a decent idea, and endless hundreds to thousands of hours to make it come to life. when someone else makes it big doing nothing while you slave away, you're bound to hate them out of principal.

>Your hatred for idea guys who coast might be clouding your vision a little.
can't deny this. i do find it hard to sympathize with this person after he made a public call to arms against the artist and basically encouraged people to download private game assets in a really backhanded manner. the only thing he did that was right was to shut down the patreon.

>>2602930
>when someone else makes it big doing nothing while you slave away, you're bound to hate them out of principal.
Not when you're actually getting paid for the work you're doing.

>slave away
Oh fuck off.

>>2602922
I am artist, so I don't know what you're trying to tell me. I understand the scorched earth policy if you own it. Not if you don't. I also understand the hatred for idea guys. You can be legit fucked over by their lazy asses, depending on the circumstances.

The issue is not the ideas themselves, but who owns the project and who is trying to claim ownership over it. If idea guy made the base game, is funding it and running it, then its by all accounts, his.

>>2602930
>you're bound to hate them out of principal
Then hate them. Quit. Leave the project and never talk to them again. Why destroy their passion in the process? You never owned it. The amount of time you put into it doesn't change that. You're not the owner of everything. If you work for a VFX studio and spend all year making their top creature design, do you own the entire movie? No. And everyone would call you insane for claiming so, no matter how many of the creatures you made or how much of the time you put into it. Yet, in non-studio projects, people do that very thing. They do a task long enough and they think it means they own it.

>he made a public call to arms
I don't agree with his emotional outburst either, but you have to understand, that's him scorching earth. His project was taken from him and he's angry. It's the very concept you said you understand.

>>2602935
i can just see it from his viewpoint is all. if you don't like that you can suck it up. idea guys are scum and the OP guy made $200,000+ for poorly managing a project that only got notoriety because of the art.

>>2602930
but he's not actually in charge here, end of the story. do you think movie directors are "idea guys" as well when they hire writers, cinematographers etc?

hbomb sucking at his job is a completely different issue. but at the end of the day, spurple is simply not the guy in charge. he isn't entitled to the project in the way he (or you) seems to think he is.
no matter how much he/you contributed to it, other people contributed to it too. like programmers or the other artists. it simply isn't his to claim.

>>2602950
>end of the story
the blog said it and it is the reason the idea guy cannot proceed; they are 50/50 partners. legally it is the artists' project and he has say in it no matter what hearsay goes on for who had the idea to make a shitty sim with dickwolves first.

>>2602950
>he isn't entitled to the project in the way he (or you) seems to think he is

Doesn't help HBomb bungled the contract to be way to generous to the artist. I mean, maintaining sole copyright ownership of art assests? What kind of director lets an artist do that?

>>2602945
>i can just see it from his viewpoint is all

You're justifying him sabotaging a project that wasn't his. He was getting paid for the work he was doing. If he didn't like it he should have just quit. To burn it down is to behave like a man-child.

>>2602950
>other people contributed to it too
those are contractors. the lead artist is not a contractor and owns half the game, which basically means the partner cannot do shit without his approval, and vice versa.

>>2602959
he intended it to be a partnership, as many young creators are excited to find a talented artist to help them and want to ensure they don't leave. and even if he had worded the contract in a way that gives the asset rights to the project, it wouldn't have mattered since the artists owns half anyways.

it's also worth noting the director guy isn't trying to buy "assets" but the entire 50% share.

>>2602964
>wasn't his.
it was, the first paragraphs in the blog post itself explain why this is.

>behave like a man-child.
true, he decided that it's better off dead than festering and earning 40k per month in the hands of an incompetent moron. not right, but i can still see why it happened even before the artist posts his rebuttal.

>>2602600
Ah wonderful, the drama continues!

>>2602958
>legally it is the artists' project
The artist joined after the game was already being made. What's legal is legal because the creator is a naive idiot, not because the artist is one of the original creators. I say that as someone who is also a naive idiot and did the same thing with a writer I was working with. You can create a project, hire a partner on board and they can walk away with your entire project, leaving you in the dust. All they need is to find a little backing to make it happen.

People are fucking snakes. But of course, focus on the legalities if you want. The naive idiot creator also deserves his lesson, doesn't he?

>>2602971
>true, he decided that it's better off dead than festering and earning 40k per month in the hands of an incompetent moron.

Is spurple, a partial owner of the project the incompetent moron you're speaking of? Spurple knew hbomb was not a content creator and as such hbomb's actions or inactions would not be a deciding factor in whether the game progressed or not, like, at all. Spurple consented to their work arrangement and he made $190,000 over two years (he joined the "team" in 2014 iirc) time, much more than many of us as artists will ever make in our lives. He is definitely not a victim, but his actions have victimized both himself (his spin off project is 100% not going to go anywhere-what a terrible waste of an opportunity) and the rest of the team with his actions.

>>2602958
like i said, they are partners because hbomb made a naive contract. he did make the game a year before spurple joined him. if he did things the right way then all that happens would be that spurple leaves and that's the end of it. but since he fucked up the contract spurple is now able to fuck over the entire project

again, hbomb being possibly incompetent is a different issue. what spurple did was wrong and very self entitled. you could say that hbomb gave him that sense of entitlement through their contract terms.

>>2602971
>true, he decided that it's better off dead than festering and earning 40k per month in the hands of an incompetent moron.
you really need to think about this and realize that it's plain dumb, overly emotional, and wholly unprofessional.

you say he doesn't deserve the money, but really, does the artist deserve that specific amount? it's too much no matter how you look at it. but this is what it means to have "success".
essentially they both "made it" with that project, not just him.
saying that he deserves it but hbomb doesn't is just pure self entitlement.

>>2602991
>legal is legal
yeah it's a contract which is also why the creator cannot hire other artists or rebrand.

>hire a partner on board and they can walk away with your entire project, leaving you in the dust.

this is true and it's the risk you take. it's good to include clauses over what will get you removed from the project, but they will also backfire if you're an idea guy who does nothing.

>The naive idiot creator also deserves his lesson

he made $200,000+ in two years for what was essentially a huge scam that he will not have to pay anyone back for. i'd love a lesson like that

i'll take my leave with talking about this since it's just the same thing over and over now.

though i don't condone his actions and would never take the same scorched earth path myself, i can see why the artist did the insane things he did, and i don't see hbomb as a sympathetic person.

>>2603023
nobody ever said that. that's i keep calling hbomb possibly incompetent because that's likely to be true.
the issue here is what spurple has done, and what he did was just wrong. he fucked over every single person in this project in a definitive way.

again you call it scorched earth, but it's just plain stupid. as others have pointed out over and over again: he himself made quite a bit of money off this too. but you say it's worth destroying just because other people are benefiting from it too.
it's self entitlement, and it really is about greed as well.

it's really only possible to think like this if you think that
>i did everything
>everything the other guy did was insignificant
>i could've done this myself from the start
and most possibly, people like this also think
>i could've done this without anyones help from the beginning
in which case you've got to ask yourself why he didn't do it and instead teamed up with an ""idea guy""

TLDR ego issues

>>2603013
You sound like the type who would snake someone's project.

>i'd love a lesson like that
You call it a scam and say you'd love to do it? Explains everything. Christ, you're treating him like he's a millionaire. Then you pretend that the artist didn't get paid at all.

I'm not being sympathetic to him. I'm being sympathetic to the fact that he had his passion project taken from him. I started this debate with you because you said, "someone else taints your passion project" in reference to the artist. The artist isn't the one who had his passion project tainted. It's the other way around. You keep overlooking that and then you cover it up with "it's legal". People can legally take things from you. In fact, it doesn't even need to be entirely due to contract, I've seen people do it just by getting a studio to back them and crush the original creator that way. I hope you create a project one day, not join, but create, and someone fucks you over, then you can actually understand what's being discussed here.

>>2603023
>i can see why the artist did the insane things he did

Because he has an ego he doesn't deserve and is a worthless manchild. I'll never understand artist's need to paint themselves as victims all the fucking time. Nothing is sympathetic about S-Purple or H-Bomb. They are both incompetent unprofessional morons.

>>2603023
>>2603066

I'd agree that neither of them are completely in the clear, but everything Hbomb has claimed are verified with the types of updates the game received as time went on; At first, lots of art and game updates, in the end, only a lot of game updates with the only art being by the other artists.

So, Hbomb may not have handled the project as well as we would have hoped, and made a grave error in the contract he made with Spurp.

Spurp, on the other hand, willingly gutted the project after taking weeks of paid time to work on his own project, going as far as using the other artist's paid time to make work for his game under the guise of it being for Breeding Season.

Hbomb could suffer from incompetence and short-sightedness, but Spurp royally fucked everything willingly and has been doing so since before the project ended. I'd be surprised if anyone trusts him with anything after this.

>>2603080
Yes,H-Bomb was an incompetent dumbass. It's just S-Purple who was the truly toxic mother fucker in this situation. Rather than be an adult about shit and confront H-Bomb about his the problems with the management, he'd rather take the passive aggressive route and backstab the person he was collaborating with. And he probably rationalized it as if he's justified in doing it. He's a lunatic and what he did is basically career suicide.

At least it would be if anything about the smut art circle was even remotely professional, but it's not so I wouldn't be surprised if he actually does bounce back from this mess. Porn consumers praise mediocre artists like S-Purple as borderline gods who can't do wrong. That's why so many smut artists are basically just man-children in the first place. Their consumers don't hold them accountable for anything because they are too busy trying to get their favor and be their friends. It's dumb.

I can do the hentai art for Breeding Season, how much do they pay per drawing? They shut down the Patreon so I can't see their income.

>>2603291
Yeah, I mean I don't know why his first response was to shut it down just because he has to start over. He could easily find another artist if he's willing to pay. He should consult a lawyer to see how fucked his informal contract makes him or if it's his right to terminate it considering what happened i.e. this specific portion of the agreement:

>he was entitled to half the remaining revenue after all other business expenses (including labor, etc) had been paid

The rest are losses can certainly recover from

Giving up is actually a worse blunder than hiring spurp in the first place. He will only recover a small fraction of his patrons if he reopens, in all likelihood. Sure, it's three years wasted. What does he expect to be doing three years from now? Fuckin' dummy.

>>2603038
this
cant imagine what itd be like to have your baby run over in front of you

imo the artist shouldve at least let the game coninue without him
theres no need to shut it all down- a mans baby, a fanbase, and your own rep

>>2602971
>>2602945
>>2602930
>>2602880
Looks like S-Purple found the thread.

>>2603298
Hbomb is an idiot, all he'd have to do is find a new artist, start over and hope his patrons would continue to support him and whoever he hires instead of spurp's spinoff project that will never get off of the ground. Instead he lost it and destroyed the one chance he'll have to live off of being an idea guy.

>>2601669
You're all blind, do you not see how sickeningly biased that blog post is? Made well in advance before S-Purple could even announce his resignation from the project so that absolutely nobody would read his take first?

This whole thing is quite simple, Lead programmer takes massive amounts of money for a project he is incapable of managing, hires an artist whose team is the only one producing anything for the game. Realises that the project manager is far out of his depth and takes advantage of his contract to salvage the project.

If you're at all familiar with Breeding Season you would know that this thing has been going nowhere fast because nothing but art was being added to the game.

>>2603850
>You're all blind, do you not see how sickeningly biased that blog post is? Made well in advance before S-Purple could even announce his resignation from the project so that absolutely nobody would read his take first?

"He" had an active patreon for another game he'd begun working on a month or more before that was already receiving patreon dollars. "He" had plenty of time to "announce his resignation".

>salvage the project

>implying you aren't S-kike himself astroturfing

It doesn't matter what idea-guy Hbomb was doing or not doing, whatever he was capable of doing wasn't going to be the deciding factor of whether the project succeeded or not-that's idea guys, for you. However, it was his idea that Purp was getting paid-and paid well-to bring to realization, on the back of the patrons who were attracted to that idea.

Now neither Hbomb nor Purp will have anything because Purp is a jealous retard that can't stand the fact that someone was getting a better deal than he was, something that's completely normal in every working arrangement 99% of people will experience throughout their lives.

Really, are people surprised?

A guy was getting $24 000 (FUCKING $24k)/month for his flash game.

Internet flash game that is Newsgrounds tier.

>>2603850
>You're all blind

Nice selective reading faggot. Of course the post was biased, his project got gutted by a typical internet artist who acts like a man-child, with an ego he doesn't deserve since his work is only mediocre in the first place. Both parties were incompetent and neither of them are really victims.

>>2602122
That picture is so misleading, a 50kg girl can make that to a 150kg man and the man will pass out, there's no strengh in that move, just technique and knowing where to press.

Fuck that fat idiot.

>>2604161
>taking a dumb joke this seriously
Triggered?

>>2604161
>autism

>>2604304
If you're gonna bait you could put at least a little effort into it. If it's too obvious you wont get your coveted (you)s.

>>2604310

Sometimes obvious is more better. Also, did you just...?

>>2601669
>>2602118
>>2602600
http://s-purple.tumblr.com/post/147484294391/breeding-seasons-cancelation-my-side-of-the

>read this
>yfw H-Bomb lied
>S-Purple did nothing wrong

>>2602875
>>cloud meadow already had 270$ pledged
It's almost $2000 now bro.

>itt: people who would suck the devs dick to get one quarter of what they were raking in

>>2603871
>Newsgrounds
Now there's a name I haven't heard in a very long time...

>>2604768
>http://s-purple.tumblr.com/post/147484294391/breeding-seasons-cancelation-my-side-of-the
>hbomb got rejected and fell into nearly year long depression
>not even cucked, but just teenage rejection


kek

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>>2604768
So he's good guy?

>>2604768
He did a lot wrong. From the looks of it hbomb is an incompetent retard, but spurple is a sneaky little jew asshole. That whole post he made is dishonest as fuck. He lies between his teeth, pretending he's doing all of it to protect the patrons and his coworkers and salvage the project when he's really just looking after his own personal interest. He saw an opportunity for personal gain and took it, covering his ass with the legality of it even though his actions were completely unethical.
I don't like neither of them, and I couldn't give less of a shit about hbomb, but I have absolutely zero respect for spurple because he pretends to be the hero of the people when he's anything but.

>>2604994
This. It literally comes down to "I don't want to share the money with the idea guy"; this goes for the other artists who quit, too. Despite the fact they were making more money than 99% of their peers they quit because they couldn't handle the idea of being in such close proximity to a person whose lack of any real tangible ability mirrors that of the same kind of upper management people you'll find at literally any place of employment.

There are people in this world that don't do dick and make a lot of money for it, cutting off your nose to spite your face to "get back at them" is a fucking retarded move.

>>2605008

I'm new too this whole thing but reading this wasn't hbomb a programmer? That's a real tangible skill and judging by s-purple he just was lazy and didn't do very much of it.

Also in the real world there's not really such thing an idea guy, in animation and game studios I've been too the team managers are artist or programmers.

There are game designers I guess but they usually have actual skill, you know designing shit and are usually previously programmers as well.

That said I'm not gonna take a side , I have no idea who's telling the truth or not and they both seem like dickwads to me.

>>2602270
link it, friendo?

>>2605074
Not the guy, but check /aco/, their thread is probably still up.

here's spurple patreon only feed:

>Thank you.


>I would like to thank everyone for their support of me even without any evidence that I'd deliver an actual game, rather than a collection of pretty pictures. I am trying to get one of the programmers loaded in and I'll pay from my own pocket if necessary to support him until the patreon is up to the full milestone, and hopefully have the first update, even if it's buggy and barebones, out by the 30th.

>I would have made this post earlier, but I was busy pulling together my post, doing damage control by contacting the various news outlets covering this, speaking with my lawyer about the appropriate response to all of this drama, and negotiating with several people for future services, including a project manager who will be going by a pseudonymn, but is a professional within the industry and I'll be contracting to keep things in order until Cloud Meadow patreon reaches the 11,500 milestone. He's accepted 500 less than the rest of the crew for the time being while we fill in other positions overtime after him. I hope to be far more transparent in development from now on, and that if all goes well, I'll be attempting to incorporate Team Nimbus, so that everyone involved will be fully employed, rather than simply contract labor, but that is incredibly far in the future.

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>>2605044
>wasn't hbomb a programmer? That's a real tangible skill and judging by s-purple he just was lazy and didn't do very much of it.
>mfw
STEMfags are hilarious.

The art and animations were the only things bringing in money to the project as mentioned by S-purple and everybody else who has been following this shitshow since the beginning. Before his art was associated with the game shit was dead in the water.

So, SPurple has evidence to back up his story while HBomb talks shit to make SPurple look bad and has nothing to show or even evidence.

HBomb looking like a real jackass right now.

This just proves you can be a horrible person and a liar but if you make a porn game all the people will love you.

People are defending the useless idea guy.

Breeding farm was all art. The guy in charge is a hack. The only thing keeping the project going was the art and he fucked that up.

You would think if you are earning a shit ton of money for doing nothing you would at least make sure the artist who is making you all the money is happy and getting 90% of the money.

>>2605432
>getting 90% of the money

SPIDF pls

Artists deserve to be paid but that's retarded. Him defecting has done more harm than good. "Cut off his nose to spite his face" as I said. His new game will not likely receive the outpouring of support BS did. All the people who wanted to fund a monsterfuck simulator were doing so, this underhanded tactic of stealing the project from HB will probably turn a lot of previous patrons off. I would be surprised if he and whatever "team" he plans on getting together make 1/6th of what they were getting before, and doubly surprised if this spin-off project lasts a year.

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>>2604768
>S-Purple did nothing wrong
You have no sense of business or professionalism.
HBomb is a typical emotional STEM beta cuck and S-Purple is a conniving shithead with a bloated ego.

S-Purple tried to make calls that weren't his to make. All while trying to pretend he's a victim. No one is a victim here, they were both passive aggressive idiots that didn't know the first thing about professionalism.

HBomb is doubly dumb because he could have just employed someone else and came clean about his poor management to his patrons. S-Purple could be easily replaceable. He was never needed, but S-Purple's retarded ego made him believe he was actually valuable and someone couldn't take is place.

>>2605480
That looks more like a copy than a trace.

>>2605502
Semantics. S-Purple's art is still trash. Most of the mediocre guest art shat on his own his work for the game.

>>2605044
As someone learning drawing and cs, programming is easy as fuck.

>>2605480
Sauce on that hentai?

>>2605724
It's one of the Angel Blades, can't remember which.

>>2605724
>>2605734
Angel Blade Punish

>>2605734
>>2605735
Thank you very much.

>>2604828
>cloud meadow already had 270$ pledged
>It's almost $2000 now bro.
Nearing 3k.
1/3 odds they'll have 5k by the middle of next week.

Place your bids.

>>2605757
>Nearing 3k.
i honeslty dont know why i have reservations about drawing porn. i can scam people, trace, be an asshole and people will forgive me asap.

>>2605757
>>2605760
>>2605757
Again, I say you could be the worst human being in the world but idiot will ALWAYS, ALWAYS throw money at porn.

>>2605770
is that only true for furry or kinks?

>>2601669
aint nobody got time to read all this shit
any tldr?

>>2601669
>expecting a depraved independent tumblr furfag "artist" to act as a fully grown human being

>>2602122
lel
wouldn't you be mad as fuck if someone told you that drawing is no work?
programming is tough you ignorant shit

>>2604161
not while standing up with no hooking his legs. without using your entire body you can just tighten your neckmuscles and completely negate it, even try a ippon seoi nage in that position. fucking white belts I swear to god

>>2605531
Yeah, the game art all looked pretty garbage until Vanilly came on board and fixed all of S-Purple's shit. Plus she was obviously the only one in both sides of the story who was actually competently working on the game the whole time.

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>>2606002
Yeah, most of the guest art shits on S-Purple's crap. You can see it here, http://imgur.com/a/Ymp83

Vanilly was the true MVP. S-Purple was more expendable than she was IMO. I'm interested in who the artist of pic related was.

>>2605967
Porn game gets lots of patreon bux, gets ruined by shitty management. Main perps are the coder who didn't do shit, including paying the employees, and the artist who jumped ship and owned all the art in the project. Naturally, losing the art killed the project

>Contact us by the Patreon messaging system, link your creation's supported profile page to us in that message, provide us with an email address, and ask us to send you the codes and the early access demo download site. If you have records of having supported Breeding Season, for the next 3 months of releases after we receive that message we will send you our $5.00 patron reward tier to the email provided. This is refundable at any time during our development cycle, and is meant to give you a chance at deciding for yourself, if we can make good on the spirit of Breeding Season before deciding to support us or not.


these guys are king jews

>>2602044
Yeah, check out S's tumblr (There's a link on this guy's blog) he's got his side with a lot more detail and some evidence to support it. I think the guy in OP's post is a crybaby douche because he drew up such a shitty contract and now he's getting fucked by it.
S did nothing illegal and he seems to be trying to save what would've oherwise been a failed project, putting the patreon money to use on what people gave it to them for

But anyway who cares, the game idea is pretty gay anyway (but if it's fun i might play it if it ever comes out)

>>2602060
underrrated post

>>2605760

most people are not going to make that much money with porn.

I hope Breeding Seasons hires Doxy. Honestly, he's the best artist based on the Internet. His art is way and away the best.

Hire him to fix this.

>>2606169
No one in their right mind is gonna willingly get involved in this dramafest, specially if you're already doing pretty good on your own. It is not worth it.
Might be worth it if you're a literal who desperate for some easy bucks, but if you already have something going like Doxy does then yeah, not gonna happen.

>>2606169
doxy isn't that great. Incase>doxy

>>2606169
He's up for it
http://mylittledoxy.tumblr.com/post/147389677101/breeding-season-breeding-season-is-over-s-purple#notes

>>2601669

The lesson is: do everything on your own.

>>2605719

It's easy coding console programs, wait until you create games.

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>>2606349
>inb4 Doxy cucks Hbomb too

>>2606228
Incase is good, but his art is pretty stale and samey. Doxy is much better at stylization, design, color, etc.

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>>2606228
>Doxy
For some reason the art he makes on-stream is miles better than anything he posts on his Tumblr

Despite the drama going on around this project, I have no problem supporting this one as I feel the people in charge here seem to know what they are doing, unlike the previous team where they are now filled with spite. Not saying they don't have a right to be spiteful, but the best way to be professional is not to be so venomous with the situation and even given out hints to accessing the shared dropbox and claiming you don't support such a action. One way to look at it is thanks to the Drama I'm more than happy to support this project as it's something I've often wanted out of a porn game (though there is a somewhat similar one on dlsite, but with nowhere near as many types of creatures to raise, just cow ones like above) and never been able to find. I'm in full support of you guys. :)

>>2601669
What a gross game, who cares?

>>2604835
>>2604835

Worst is - you know that it is true. "Breeding Season" is /f/ or Newsgrounds tier "game".

>>2601669
The game was shit anyways

>>2602462
Post your web

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>>2601669
>giving a "you can screw me over at any time you want" button to someone you don't even know
He literally walked into it. How can someone be this gullible? And he even let this S dude take all the decisions he wanted instead of putting his feet down and saying no. God, what a doormat. He fucking deserved it desu.

>>2603871
What game was this?

>>2611102
this one

>>2605096
Wow.
The delusion in this post is real.
Programmers have literally become one of the foundations our society is built upon. There's a reason why companies hire programmers and not artists.
>B-b-but people who supported this shitshow only did it for the art
Fuck off, if that's the case why wasn't Breeding Season just a couple of images? Oh wait it's because people funded it on the basis that it was a game, which believe it or not, requires programming.

>>2608165
Newgrounds have/had standards anon.

Meanwhile Fuchur made Unteralterbach all by himself and didnt recieve a single cent and was put into prison for it.

>>2612201
Good. Giving away your work for free should be a crime by itself. Also fuck pedo scum.

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>>2606688
>that image
Shit looks straight traced from perestroika

>>2612201
he wasn't put to prison.

>>2612203
>being a bitch about "pedo" fictional children
Yeah, not going to get far in the art world with that attitude.
If you keep censoring yourself you won't succeed.

>>2612207
Yes he was.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3397710/Man-no-arms-legs-convicted-molesting-six-year-old-girl-child-s-birthday-party-Germany.html

>>2612210
damn, that means he drew with using his penis.

>>2602462
Tumblr has the same range of artists as deviantart

>>2602044
>do we have more sides to this story?
yep
S purple wrote his own side which basically comes down to "all according to contract, lol, suck my dick" sprinkled up with the "no u" and "i dont like him so its ok to fuck with him" non arguments. As if an employee has the right ( or in case of this shithead, is entitled to in his head) to boss around his own boss.
But no matter what anybodys story would be, what he did do was a dick move.

>>2603850
>You're all blind, do you not see how sickeningly biased that blog post is? Made well in advance before S-Purple could even announce his resignation from the project so that absolutely nobody would read his take first?
>This whole thing is quite simple, Lead programmer takes massive amounts of money for a project he is incapable of managing, hires an artist whose team is the only one producing anything for the game. Realises that the project manager is far out of his depth and takes advantage of his contract to salvage the project.

Dosnt matter if the lead was incompetent or not, people did want to pay for what was anyway.
And here comes some little shithead and decides NO, nobody will have it since I say so.
At the end of the day it dosnt matter how biased a new piece will be about a serial killler, the facts are the same, people are dead, and a game is dead here.
S purple is 100% to blame as it was his hand that kiled the project..

>>2601669
Sooooo who is the bad guy then?
Can't brother to read the whole thread, tldr?

>>2614334
they're all shitheads

>>2614334
Everybody retarded with the artists being a selfish evil motherfucker fucking over everybody for lolz.

>>2612206
it doesn't even look barely traced. Yeah the characters are similar looking but... do you even know what tracing is?

>>2614334
>tldr?
I tried
>Artist on 4chan has idea for game
>Doesn't culminate into anything besides art
>Artist joins up with another guy to make some kind of r18 Harvest Moon
>Guy makes contract with Artist that gives him copyright over all of his work/designs and half the money they'll make from the game
>Guy says if Artist ever wants to leave he'll pay him for any copyrighted work he wants to save for the game
>group makes a Patreon funding the game production and raises 190k, Artist decides to take his money and run with his work to make a new game with another dev group while telling the old one to get fucked