/beg/ - BEGINNER THREAD

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slightly dynamic angle for you cRaZY beginners out there

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when starting out. is there things in life that i should avoid drawing like an action figure/model i have or a poster in my room and instead do more basic things like my tv and the boxes i keep my trading card decks in or disregard everything and draw everything regardless what it is.

Any tips on tackling drawing an entire room? i find it really hard and my stuff always comes out flat and incorrect as shit. I figured doing perspective made easy may be better before i do more life drawing to at least have an idea of how to make it look correct. Pic= last life drawing and a fun one for me. My left hand.

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>>2528770
I suggest being very comfortable with drawing 3D shapes before doing an entire room. Most things in your room like a bed, tv, desk etc. are basically elongated cubes. If you can draw elongated cubes (in perspective) correctly, you can use those as basic forms to build details on top of.

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we have the bird guy in these threads

i am frogguy

>>2528775
Ah alright. Also is there a more prefered path in the basics like start with keys to drawing which i did. Then while drawing everything around me, go through perspective made easy and THEN do i suppose gestures or fun with a pencil? Or is it better to study in the fashion of

1st hour: draw from life
2nd hour: perspective study
3rd hour :gesture

something like that. i need to structure my work days if im going to get the most out of my free time this summer.

>>2528771
question. I have studied and memorized a lot of these kinds of constructions/abstractions. I still find that it is much easier for me to just save any thought of form until after I have some good shapes going. how fucked am I?

>>2528770
"im so chicken scratched up"

>>2528795
Depends what you want to do. Most fine artists use shape as a starting point, even people who use construction a lot like those at Watts Atelier. If you want to invent things from imagination like Kim Jung Gi then you'll need to think of form from the start though.

>>2528795
I don't really understand. Do you mean you freehand before putting construction guidelines down?

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Im having this problem. I dont know if its with my tablet or not.

On the left are circles that I drew, zoomed out on a 1600 x 1600 px Canvas. The ones on the left are the ones that I drew zoomed in. I dont know how I can stop with the squiggly shit that you see on the left circles

>>2528814
The ones on the LEFT I drew zoomed out.
The ones on the RIGHT I drew zoomed in.

>>2528814
You deal with or you use Paint Tools Sai, which have some kind of lazy mouse thing.

You can also reduce the spacing (F5) of your brush, upgrade your RAM or try to have a more confident stroke.

Also, use the pen pressure.

>>2528816
This makes no fucking difference.

>>2528817
I tried with Clip Studio Paint, Working with a tablet, and have 16 gb RAM. Its not the confidence because they were both the same quick circular movement. The tablet is Wacom One and is really new.

>>2528829

CSP has a stabilizer, use it

Make sure your drivers and settings are right, use a guide

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Watercolour attempts please criticise

>>2528807
very insightful answer. it's true that when I try from imagination I end up 'building' the thing more that seeing the shapes in the beginning. guess you gotta do both eh?

>>2528810
I mean starting with a shape-based 'block in' (envelope?) rather than starting with construction guidelines is all.

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I got back to the drawabox exercises for cubes and came out with this
I had to use different colors to make sense of this mess

>>2528959
I know you're just understanding perspective and all, but do try to not extend your lines passed the corners.

>>2528959
Not all the lines are actually going to the vanishing points properly, and some seem to be heading to other vanishing points off the page when they shouldn't.

Also you've got your vanishing points so close together that there is a lot of distortion on some of them because they are outside the cone of vision which is probably why you tried to fix it with extra vanishing points which is not correct.

>>2528959
bottom left gave me cancer

>>2528996
Does that mean I'd have to make the width of my photoshop file bigger to accommodate?
If so could you please tell me the ideal for perspective exercises?
>>2528994
I'm trying to exercise making straight lines with this too which is why some go past the corners. Next time if that happens I'll erase the lines that poke out
>>2529005
This made me chuckle, that whole exercise gave me cancer. Jesus I abused the ctrl+z keys

>>2528756
is that a rare vilppu?

Taking a ton of time on just drawing the basic forms and "abusing" the perspective/vanishing points is starting to feel like 90% of the work is being done for me.

Am I supposed to feel like this?

>>2529056
It isn't abuse if you're supposed to do it like that, but yeah, knowing the basics makes everything automatic until you get to details which encompass the last 10%.

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I only have a potato phone camera but I'm trying to practice getting away from super anime style. My young self did not help me to learn proper drawing techniques.

>>2529040
It's from his instructional videos filmed in the 80s which actually I think are still up for purchase on the vilppu store. But I'm sure nobody on /ic/ has bought them so I'm sure it's rare.

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>>2528756
I have a beginner question
What is a good texture when you are working with charcoal?

like
if you make a small square
and try to fill that with an even texture by filling in all the white with a sharp piece of charcoal.

how far do you have to push that
what is the texture people want to see?

Also

could someone share high resolution reference pictures for charcoal rendering?

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A set of drawings Ive been doing in a notebook during my lunchbreaks

Could anyone share a good fabric guide?

>>2529140
I see you like them thighs thick

>>2529163
Ha, yeah, I love them
But I feel like its keeping me back drawing these the same way
I have to think hard to try and draw them small

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More gestures. The red arrows are me trying to figure out where the weight of the figure is in each body part. I want to give my gestures a better sense of weight and balance. I'll work harder tomorrow.

>>2529038
are you black by any chance?

>>2529261
whjat makes you say that

>>2528959
Do yourself a favor and read ernest norling's perspective made easy

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First still life, any pointers? Tricky stuff

>>2529320

Your reflected light looks off and your values/rendering in general feel arbitrary. The direction you move your brush, and what brush you use, does make a difference. You skipped the darker shadow at the bottom and replaced it with those stupid looking pale circle things.

Use a harder brush (you can soften harder edges later, but do it once you've got your values down), paint along the forms (if you struggle to visualize forms, try drawing some basic shapes and cross-contour lines, do it enough and it'll probably 'click'). Be careful using a simple line instead of a change in value, like what you did with the sort of dip into where the stem is. In your reference it's edge is a lighter white, but you depicted it with a darker grey line. It looks weird when you attempted to paint the rest of it in values.

Shade some spheres nigga, get an idea for the way the light hits a form like that. It'll give you some practice rendering, too.

>>2529320


The more close to you, darker it becomes, you should smooth the shadow transitions, just the highlights are white, change the background color to a light gray, there's no contour in real life, you clearly didn't drew what you saw, measure the apple, take your time.

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please someone crit this?

>>2529356

Why is the image cut off? Why did you upload a single gesture?

Why do you think anyone will believe this is yours?

kys

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>>2529358

>>2529360
lol

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Im not gonna make it bois ;-;

>>2528756
based vilppu

>>2529110
there's a torrent of his old stuff. i like his newer stuff more even though he puts me to sleep. he's more refined.

>>2529139
Texture will normally change based on the paper you are using. Is it toothy or smooth?

>>2529459
I don't know, it's canson paper
I guess smooth, but not newsprint smooth.

Have you tried a lot of different papers? / do you have a go-to favorite paper?

Sometimes charcoal tutorials mention toothy paper as if that's going to get you even smoother results because the paper can hold more charcoal, what's that all about?

>read and watch a bunch of tutorials on perspective, gesture, loomis, etc
>still can't get anything right
I've been at this for a month now and I feel like I'm getting nowhere at all. I practice daily for hours and I get no reward for it
Am I just fucking retarded at art or is there something more to this?

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>>2529381

>>2528758
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>>2528761
Damn y'all good at drawing tiddies

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study head in bullshit angle

>>2529485
I dunno, I got to that point and just stopped myself. I suppose classes would be a better deal if you're in a situation like that. But honestly I think you just gotta keep hammering away at it and have people correct you, at least in an ideal world.

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>>2529505
This is what I can do with gesture after studying it for about a few weeks. I've read on vilppu and watched proko's video on the subject
I always try to look for the longest axis of action lines and give everything a sense of direction
I know the proportions are wrong since I'm not quite there yet but am I even capturing the motions right?

You seem to be getting the right idea. Just keeping doing them everyday and try to define them more. Maybe try and exaggerate/push the gestures as well then you are doing them.

>>2529603
Thanks broski. I'm always scared to exaggerate so the pose doesn't look like something that is impossible for the human body to do
As for defining, I guess I should read further into figure drawing for that huh?

>>2529485

A month is absolutely nothing. You've barely even had time to get your bearings, let along know exactly what you're doing and be able to improve consistently. I think it was a year before I even had a concrete idea of how everything worked, let alone actually started to get significantly better.

Drop gesture. It's useless without knowledge of construction and proportion. You can pick it up once you've been studying head and figure abstractions for a while.

You want improvement soon? Focus all of your effort on accurate drawing. Studying properly relies on you copying your subjects accurately. Get Keys to Drawing and work through it. Practice drawing simple objects and read up on measurement techniques, using angles, plumb lines, negative shape, etc. Do lots of simple still life. Fruit, vases, etc.

Once you can draw accurately start copying all the drawings from figure construction books (Vilppu, Hampton, Loomis, Bridgman). Once you've memorized the abstractions/mannequins and proportions, apply what you've learned to photo studies.

Work through Perspective Made Easy, and then Scott Robertson's shit. This stuff is really, really important.

Top it all off with Scott's How to Render book. If you do all this shit and stick with it for a year, you'll know where you need to go from there anyways.

If you have money, just sign up for Jeff Watt's online drawing course and study the fuck out of all that for a while and he'll tell you all the good shit.

Just remember, repetition builds skill. You can't do something once and say you're done with it. Repeat studies until things come easily to you, then apply the information constantly to different subjects. Don't turn off your brain and copy mindlessly, always analyze. Don't spend hours doodling and call it practice, because it isn't.

>>2529623
A month is definitely something and isn't absolutely nothing. It's what you do with it that counts.

>>2529628

If you're expecting big improvements on a month to month basis, you're going to be sorely disappointed and burn out quick.

Yes, you can do a hell of a lot of studying and learning in a month's time and it will add up overall, but you can't get hung up on looking for big improvements over such a small span.

This is more to do with the mentality of training. Just be comfortable with what you're doing and work hard. Every 6 months or so it's fine to look back at your old work and compare it to what you're doing now, but it's not something you should obsess over. Improvement creeps up on you over long periods of time, it doesn't jump out of the bushes at the end of the month.

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Redid still life from last thread. I was told to work on the flowers perspective and the values. I Darkened up the values a lot and tried to work on the pedals pointing toward me but i dont think i made any progress there.

Corrected 1 is the digital paint over.

>>2529653

You've cut corners. Your drawing does not match the shapes in the image. Be patient, and take the time to measure and draw the image accurately. Don't worry about painting or value, this is more important. Just do that and get it right. Spend as many hours laying it in accurately as you need. Use your pencil to check measurements.

>>2528767
wait, this ISNT a bad painting? Holy shit that mascara is fucked, what a shitty reference.

>>2529278
Blacks tend to exagerate eyes and make faces just generally grotesque. It's common in pretty much all non asian minorities

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>>2529354
Thank you!

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God damn it. This is not coming out how I wanted...

>>2529749
I can see your inner reality coming through. Really focusing on that child aspect.

>>2529755
What?

>>2529749
You're not really observing the reference well. You've got some proportion errors and you have ignored the lighting. Think of the head as an egg shape. Notice how the light is coming from the bottom left and as the head turns away from there is gets darker. The nose too is lit from the bottom left then gets darker as it turns away.

Honestly though this image has a lot of subtle value and colour shifts in it that is hard for a beginner to pick up on. I would choose a picture with more defined light and shadow shapes and then once you are comfortable with that try returning to an image with softer and more subtle lighting like this.

Beginner here. Are there any good books or resources that cover the visual behavior and visual laws of light and how light will behave in your painting? I feel like this is extremely important and will ruin the painting if it isn't understood.

If my light isn't drawn to do what light is supposed to do the color and everything the light is bouncing off of in my drawing will not be represented correctly

>>2529770
Well when I was sketching the reference I was trying this "relative distance" thing I saw on youtube. Clearly didn't work as well as I wanted it to. But I agree this reference might be a tad difficult for a beginner like myself.

>>2529777
Color & Light by James Gurney. Essential for painters. There is a download of it in the artbook thread (which you should have looked for in the first place).

>>2529780
Sounds like you are doing comparative measurement which is a great way to approach things, it just takes some practice before you can be accurate with it. Don't give up.

Looking at your painting you made the nose and mouth too small. Since you are painting the head the same size as the reference a quick way to see this is to flick your eyes back and forth quickly, and you'll notice the size difference. Another way is to compare vertical or horizontal relationships within the image. In the reference the outside of the eyelashes on the eye on the right lines up roughly vertically with to right corner of the mouth. Look for as many vertical and horizontal relationships between landmarks as you can.

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jelly? I bet u are.

>>2529782
I can't find this artbook thread in the catalog and I don't see a download for this book in the sticky

I guess i'll look for it and get it eventually though. Thanks anon.

>>2529755
nice catch,

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Did that pic of Clint Eastwood everyone and their mother has drawn

>>2529941
Pretty nice. I like how on the face the brushstrokes follow the form. The hair and shirt don't have this and are much weaker as a result.

Ordinarily it would be good to vary the size of your brush more--bigger brush for broad flat areas, smaller brush for details. Oddly I think the uniform brush size works in your favour here though and adds a nice stylistic element.

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>>2528756
Was watching sinix's latest twitch stream and wanted to start on a drawing of his characters. I can't continue until he makes the rest of the main cast, but how're the gestures so far?

>>2529946
I generally have pressure sensitivity off.
I'll keep your advice in mind.

>>2529950
Not (>>2529946) but why? I always leave it on because I hate working with single width brush strokes.

>>2529956
It gives a more traditional feel.

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Been a long time since I set my physical shortcuts for my wacom and I seem to have forgotten how I bound the eyedropper it wont let me bind alt and when I bind i it brings it up but doesnt turn off any advice?

>>2529960
Ah, true, I did notice that. I guess I'm just too lazy to do that. I like pressure sensitivity on because then I don't have to chance the brush size to fit into the small crevices, just lift my pen a little more.

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Pls critique.

I just held my hand up and drew it. I know that the fingernails and the pinky are pretty fucked. The angle of the ring finger is unnatural because i changed my hand's position and didn't even notice it.

>>2529972
You aren't drawing what you're seeing.

Hit up Hampton for hand construction, he explains it in a little more depth than Loomis.

>>2529972

Focus on getting the overall proportions correct first using light, erasable lines. You can go over with more detailed lines and shapes once you're sure everything is accurately layed-in. Think of it like setting up a blueprint for the finished drawing. You need an accurate foundation first.

Try doing the exercise a few more times before you move on to something else, be patient. If you can't hold your hand steady don't feel bad about using a photo.

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advice?

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am i doing this constructional figure drawing thing right

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>>2528762
I suck at drawing

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pls critique. pls

1/2

>>2530065

No, the whole point of the construction is so that you have an accurate, proportionate foundation, these are distorted. Copy the mannequins from books repeatedly and then try drawing them over photos. Find a proportion guide for reference. ie. 8 heads tall, torso 2 heads tall/wide, legs 4 heads, etc. Start with just simple standing figures, front, back, 3/4.

Really just copy the living hell out of those books. If you can't draw accurately, just focus on training your comparative measuring skills. Study still life.

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>>2530181
2/2
yes i know this one still looks fucking awful

>>2530181

Study Scott Robertson's perspective and rendering stuff

>>2530181
>>2530185
The thumbnails looks like dicks, anon. I'm not sure if this was on purpose.

What's the best way to organize your study time? Wasn't there a thread on /ic/ a while ago that was about this? I should've saved it

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still life studyof my desk in progress, how do i stress the valuesmore?

>>2530206
There isn't one. It's just do it or don't do it. If you want to study, then study. Whenever you aren't studying, then don't count it as study time.

>>2530192
i get the dick tower tower but does the fish really look like a dick? cause it looks like a fish to me.

>>2530187
is my fucking fish out of perspective? i can understand the rendering being shit.

Hey can anyone refer me to a tutorial for people who are both new to photoshop and digital drawing in general?
For now all I am able to do is draw lines but I would like to know of techniques used for shadowing and colors
It would give my studies more life that's for sure

>>2530226
You don't need to know those techniques yet if you only draw lines. You should just really start with traditional materials since learning multiple things will be more difficult on you.

>>2530228
And when would be a good time to move back to digital and learn how to render?

>>2530231
After you understand perspective and construction of forms such dissections, intersections, organic forms, etc. At that point, it should be okay since you need to understand those to be able to properly look at value. Or else you would have unstable shapes and forms and understanding value with that is difficult.

So as someone with brain damage, what would be a good way to keep myself going? I do enjoy doodling my shitty symbol drawings, but I've got the damned time keeping up with practicing.

>>2530245
There's not really any concrete way that someone could tell you except yourself to keep yourself going. The fundamentals are slow, hard and boring. It's not really enjoyable, but you will need them if you want to become a good artist.

I can only really give you suggestions about what to do and hopefully you can figure something out. Think about what you want, a goal of some sort. Drawing shouldn't be a means to an end ever though. That's how you make it not enjoyable. You should always enjoy the process of drawing itself too or else why would you be doing it? You could just hire someone if you only wanted the end product, so learn to love the act of drawing.

If you have a certain art piece you like, you could look at it and see how the fundamentals apply to it, or have someone tell you, any way works, but you need to realize how knowing and practicing would help you. Once you understand that, it's almost automatic. You know what you need to practice to improve and you get into a cycle of feeling good and constant improvement.

Understand that pros are people with years of experience and didn't just magically become good. They worked hard and you will have to work hard too if you want to be able to do what they do.

>>2530255
Thanks bud, it's just that sometimes I struggle with as much as eating or taking care of myself, courtesy of mental problems. So I was just wondering if there were any tips. I actually do enjoy scribbling extremely poorly, and to be honest I just wanted to get better at it and there aren't really any goals besides that.
But still, thanks. I think I'll just try to keep at it on better days.

>>2528814
I don't know if you're still around, anon, but it looks like the pressure sensitivity on your tablet is fucked. I would suggest either resetting the drivers or reinstalling them all together.

>>2530218
Well your space bar and other lines dont line up for starters.

>>2529877
http://www.mediafire.com/view/uecuhtr5vdd9kx6/%28James_Gurney%29_Color_%26_Light_-_A_Guide_for_the_Realist_Painter.pdf

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>>2529320
The drawing of the apple is off. The stem comes out way too low and that upper portion divot should be higher up. The bottom of the apple should be rounder than it is right now, it is sort of flat. The top of the apple is too round and should be flatter.
>>2529653
The colors are MUCH better now, a lot more contrast and it is very vibrant. It really catches the eye now.

Though you didn't draw it accurately still. On the jar the slopes from the body of the jar to the neck aren't slanted enough, not only that they have a slight roundness to them. Look at the lip of the jar again in the reference image, your eye level is almost at the lip of the jar so the line will almost be straight, you can barely see the back side lip.

With the flower that is coming out of the jar it is facing the viewer too much, you can tell by the center, compare the center of it to the reference, not only that but the angle is wrong on it.

Sorry for the MS Paint, but maybe it will help you be more aware of some of the angles of the objects you draw.

>>2529628
>A month is definitely something and isn't absolutely nothing. It's what you do with it that counts.

So let's say you've been drawing 8 hours a day for the last month.

Someone like Vilppu or Huston has been doing that schedule (and likely more strenuous schedule) for decades to get where they are.

It's not just about what you do it's also mileage. Drawing is as much a physical skill as it is an intellectual skill.

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>>2528757
am i good enough ?

>>2529560
>>2529485
Stop doing things fast. Practice slowly and deliberately. 60~120 second gestures shouldn't be your aim right now but training your eyes and coordination. Take what you MAY have learned from Fun With a Pencil (construction with basic shapes) and apply it to something you WANT to draw, though of course it has to be something you are copying (life or picture) rather than imagination.

I don't care if it is old masters works, something from a graphic novel, hentai, or a photo of your pet. Draw something that made you want to pick up art in the first place, there are many skills you can apply that you are currently learning and continually refine them with more practice.

It takes a long time to become competent at art, and if you are self studying as a beginner chances are it will even take longer than someone that has a teacher to often guide them and give them constant feed back on their mistakes or what they should look out for.

Community college is cheap and you can still get on your feet with some of the art classes they offer.

>>2530392
need input guys

>>2530392
Look at your drawing and look at your reference and see what things are inconsistent between the two. Criticize yourself first in seeing what you did well or what you didn't accomplish.

Just look at where the tip of the nose is compared to the edge of the face between your drawing and the reference you used. That is just one aspect, but you also need to clean up your lines a bit.

So look it over and make note of where you failed proportionally and where you succeeded.

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>>2530392
However much time you spent on this, double it, and do it again in that time.

>>2530406
also use the whole page.

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just

>>2530418
What is the reference?

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>>2530392
Don't be afraid to use guidelines to help with angles of objects and the relation to one another, sometimes certain objects can be found either on the same line if you draw one out or very close to one.

You can see where the lip crease ends compared to where it falls with the inner edge of the eye, where the neck comes down from the jaw in relation to the outer edge of the eye, the angle of the eyes and eyebrows, and how much the nose hangs off the face in relation to the chin and lips.

You may find other ones on your own that are helpful as well, so use what you can to make the best drawing you are capable of.

>>2530420
My brain

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>>2530435
Well there is no eyeball in the tear ducts so you can round that out and make it more circular. What ever you are using to shad it makes it look pretty muddy, and the neck is vague.

>>2528829
I had this problem on my old tablet, I never figured out why it happened, but there were parts on my tablet that made squiggly lines like that. If it's new you should be fine once you install your drivers, because they're not installed right now, I can see that, but if it still does that ask for a warranty replacement.

Don't use stabilizers, they won't help you at all with your tablet problem and will only slow you down.

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heres this since my gouache paintings are shit so far

>>2529453
Not with that shitty attitude

>>2529725
what the actual fuck

>The upside down Picasso sketch

Damn nigga this is impossible af

>>2530588
its true though, test it out. I get a 60-80% hitrate on a 20% minority. Don't know what causes it ( though admittedly blacks do have big noses ( but not with a lot of height) and their eyes do generally stick out more than whites ( look at profile views white v black)). Still, it's a very common trend.

I'm also starting to think they are the most likely candidates to exaggerate the philtrums bow. Though I'm still looking for definitive proof.

PS: Are you though?

>>2530660
do it faggot

>>2530663
I am nigga but I'm a retard and I keep making it too big for the actual page, even though I try not to

>>2530665
try blocking in the whole form preliminally with >>2530406

>>2530536
legs too small, head too big, hips too small, arm too small.

You can fix it in muliple ways though, easiest is probably reduce head+top and youll get a loli (youll still need to extend arm a tad though.

>>2530536

Head is massive

>>2530418
eyes looking too far out or are lazy, try to bring them both towards the middle. Not sure where light source is, use reference,. Top of head wasnt drawn which causes her hair to cave in unnaturally , especially on HER left.

>>2530677
Would if I weren't retarded, apparently

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How can I get a Line Brush like this in SAI?

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>>2530392
look at shapes as clumps: hairs, eyelashes, eyebrows. You wont give things texture by scribling on them.

Nose too big, jaw too large, entry of hair too exaggerated, you didn't complete the skull before going into drawing, etc.

Keep at it.

>>2530133
negative space, form. compare length of head to other stuff.

>>2530065
feet are blobs, heads are too small

>>2530038
keep at it, you dont even have straight lines down so its normal to assume youve just started out. Just keep at it, it doesnt matter how, youll improve naturally.

>>2529094
move up a thread, youre not beg tier.
Her legs are uneven in mass.
>>2528906
let go of fancy materials and just learn to draw like the rest of us poor people. You're a girl right btw?

>>2530683
try to think in angles, ( is this one 60 or 70? is this one more acute than this one, is this line longer than this one? How many of these can i fit in that one. etc.) Should be questions you ask yourself a couple 50-ish times per drawing at least.

>>2530702

>feet are blobs, heads are too small

please just fucking stop giving crits. they're damaging to beginners and it makes you look like a moron to everyone else

>move up a thread, youre not beg tier

also fuck off with this bullshit. tell that to people who are competent with their fundamentals, but then again at your skill level Nose Bro, you wouldn't be able to tell

>>2530710
then again, you won't post your work because you're at a third of my skill level.

>>2530705
Well this is the first time I'm drawing in like a decade but I simply cannot make it work. Is it really that necessary to do it? I've discarded a bunch of pages by now because I keep getting it so horrendously wrong

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>>2530739
its not exactly necessary. But at yuour level any amount of drawing in any retrospective way is gonna lead to improvement .However, it is a good exercise in understanding how to draw wht you see.
I'm guessing you made the mistake of not drawing the thing upright first. Had you done that you might have understood the comparison between both ways of thinking. OIne in which you think about it in symbols, the other in which you think of it in angles. Y


you may also try it like pic related.

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>>2530733

>>2530745
>i cant respond so ill give him a meme with no words since theres no possible way he could hurt me further if I do that.

>>2530690
Artist name?

Does anyone know where one would get chicken or turkey wings with their feathers still attached? or any dead birds that aren't diseased but still preserved for my convenience? Who would I search for in a phonebook?

>>2530742
Dawg I don't know what the fuck

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>>2530750
ok post your tumblr so everyone you're giving critiques to know where your 'knowledge' is coming from

>>2530690
That looks to be a simple round brush set probably at a low opacity, and then cleaned up and coloured in.

>>2530759
Reverse image search, it's not hard.

http://robotjoe.tumblr.com/

>>2530767
My work is posted every so often theres some 0f it in 3 threads atm. But thats some nice dodging 1/3. Just show us a skeletal frame, it takes 15seconds to embarass yourself.

>>2530809
On phone. Am nosebro.

>>2530809
how about you post a skeletal frame and i'll redline it for you

>>2530758
I believe that's called the museum or even the zoo.

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i've probably only filled 8 canvases in my life, so i'm in the beginner thread with my latest, blatantly derivative, work.

also goddamn, are oils expensive

>>2530828
lol at you being so unconfident in your skills.

>>2530834
Well your eye for colors is nice at least the rest just comes from practice

>>2530845
so what is your tumblr?

So say I was trying to draw a reference face. Do I start with trying to make outline lines for the face or just start painting?

>>2530888
There are no rules to how its done, just do it.

>>2530896
I think my problem is that my way of thinking is like everything needs to be done a certain way. Like if someone tells me to do something at work a certain way I continue to do it that way until someone else tells me otherwise. I guess I need to change my mind set.

>>2530871
xnosebro.tumblr.net

I'm guessing youre not willing to share yours though. As you do suck.

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Hello, again. Just did this, mostly for the xp.

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Did these from memory. Anatomy is mostly made up, I can't be arsed to ref today.

Do they at least look like wings? Can you tell apart ventral from dorsal?

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>>2530184
i decided to take your advice and actually read this loomis book, thanks for making me realize how shit i am

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>>2530940
Here is a hint for drawing people. If your shoulders are sloped downward to the left side the hips should go the opposite way to counter balance it.

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First time using a tablet (surface 3). Shit is not easy.

>>2530901
>xnosebro.tumblr.net
>.net
xnosebro.tumblr.com

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Round 2. how to improve my basic form of this cube.

>>2531018
sorry. it's
xnosebro.reddit.org

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Round 3 because im impatient and wanted a higher box.

>>2531032
Grandpa Chan makes me cringe more than any deviantart thread ever could.

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could someone here critique how I'm doing so far? I've been reading Michael Hampton's figure drawing book, and I've just finished reading up on the pectorals.

I try to go through each section and autistically focus on it before I move on. Next up is the trapezius. The point is that I know the drawing is incomplete, but I'd just like to know if what I have so far is good (perspective, gesture, volume for example)

>>2531064
so you gonna post your work pussy?

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>>2528758
What grade school level am I?

>>2531088
Symbol drawing 101

>>2531088
have you thought about construction instead of drawing something blindly

>>2531090
>that feel when you can't get out of symbol drawing
>>2531091
Yeah, I did the gesture for this and used loomis for the face. Or does construction mean something else?

im not sure if this should go here but im starting to use firealpaca and i would like to know if there is a way to make the color picker , pick only the colors in the layer i have selected

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There are times when I get really impatient while drawing and want to stop or work on something else which makes me rush my work sometimes.

How do I combat this? It really hurts my fundamentals by a lot.

>>2531117
Realize you do it and stop.

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>>2531083
try not to be too jealous.

>>2531098

Figure drawing is arguably the most advanced subject in art and prerequisites study of construction, proportion, basic perspective, value, and anatomy.

I want you to set up a tissue box in front of yourself and practice drawing that. Do it very slowly, measure by holding up your pencil. If you don't know how to do that look it up. Spend at least an hour on the drawing. Focus on accuracy. It's more difficult than you think it is, you can draw something more complex once you've mastered the tissue box. You can try it from different angles, light it, etc.

Get Keys to Drawing and do every exercise in that book multiple times as well.

>>2531117

Punish yourself for it. Every time I've done that I force myself to redo the entire piece more slowly.

As a bonus, the piece usually turns out 10 times better the second go.

>>2531125
I got to the point in keys to drawing about the masters and emulating their style. Is it ok for me to skip that part of the book?

>>2531130

If it's too tough for you, you can go back to it later. I remember that part being a bit hard to understand the first time. Focus on the exercises that have you drawing objects in front of you.

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>>2531057
>>2531019
Where did you set the VPs? I guess at the edge of the paper where the horizontal line intersects? Boxes doesn't hit the VPs accurately but it's pretty gud for freehand.

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How are you supposed to show depth without value?

How do godly lineartists make their work look good without the use of shadow?

>>2531155

Line weight, overlap

Bold lines are in front, light behind. Forms in front overlap forms behind them. Edges can go thick-thin, vice versa, they can be 'lost'. Vilppu has some pictures in his book that explain it, if you have access to that. Scott Robertson talks about it too in one of his videos.

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>>2531155
like this
>>2531121
i like my grandpa chan despite your mockeries! He's great BECAUSE he has no back of skull, BECAUSE his nose is tumblr and BECAUSE he has the face of a 4 year old. It's artistic. but most of all,


ITS NOT YOUR WORK POST YOUR WORK GOD DAMN YOU.

>>2531076
your gesture is pretty stiff, try to exaggerate more

>>2531165
>>2531168
makes sense. thanks!

>>2531169
noted.
Other than that, is everything else okay? If I have to start the steps over from scratch, I will

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Total beginner here, just downloaded fun with a pencil and spent the last few hours working on funny faces. It's pretty fun so far.

Feedback would be nice, if there's any that can be given at such an early stage.

>>2531193
>total beginner
>those slick ass lines
Is this bait

>>2531194
Well I drew quite a bit in elementary school, but that was ten years ago and I've done nothing since. Anyway thanks.

>>2531188
Beginner's like to ignore feet and hands; make a conscious effort to indicate them, especially the feet, they will help you see how your figure is balanced. No need for detail though, hands and feet are very difficult to draw, just inidicating they exist is all you need to do, perhaps just draw the soles of the feet, and the mark the knuckles and tips of the fingers, whatever floats your boat.

also proko's gesture video might give you a better idea how to approach gesture
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74HR59yFZ7Y

>>2531193
Nothing much to criticize. Fill a page or two drawing only circles, get them as round as possible, that could help.

You're handling perspective well, maybe it's time to move on to more complex head models, like the good old Loomis model. Add more realism, maybe shading using single light source.

>>2531193
>>2531201

bruh, that demonstrates really good understanding of 3d space and nice line work. The chin on the bottom right one is fucked but you might be a prodigy.

>>2531193
I hope to see more from you, post progress in here often.

>>2531193
this is a ruse

do not be fooled /beg/gars, nobody gets to start this good.

>>2531210
Will do, thanks.
>>2531216
That was the plan. I have finals right now so that takes precedent at moment, but I was planning on dedicating summer to improving and then seeing where I go from there.
>>2531217
I guess total beginner was a bit misleading, like I said to the other anon, I drew quite a bit in elementary school but I assumed that wouldn't count for anything ten years down the line.

>>2531217
holy fuck. youre amazing. This /beg/ thing over the weeks has all been a big ploy to get this in line. What a wonderful term. Supporting you 20/20 with these dank names.

anyone her knows how to set the eyedropper tool in fire alpaca so it only takes the color from the currentlayer instead of taking colorf from the entire drawing

>>2531230
>tfw in same situation and was going to try and improve over the summer
I'm not gonna make it now.

>>2531152
i did set them at the edge and lookin now i didnt do my shadows properly. This is what ill work on alongside still lifes

>>2531193
You must be an engineer or something like that since your drawing is so clean

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does anyone have any good recommendations for tutorials on rendering/colors?

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I want to start drawing every day, but I'm not sure where to start or what to draw.

>>2531264
Did you even read the sticky

>>2531193
time to kill myself

>>2531193
this is obviously a smurf/troll sent to try to check us you guys. most of us arent even beginners and are in the intermediate grind/branching out and exploring other things besides fucking anatomy because we dont quite cut it for the draw thread.

>>2531193
excellent ruse

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Practicing shading and drawing digitally right now only using brush, blur and eraser.

>>2531391
You probably want to use a smooth/feather brush instead of blurring hard lines, if that's what's happening here. If you squint, you'll realize your soft shadows are basically still hard lines, instead of doing the smooth, gradual transition you want to happen with these.

Remember, hard shadows are cast by another object (i.e. nose, chin shadow on neck), while soft shadows are produced when the surface of an object turns away from your light source.

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Crit please

>>2531399
draw something you put effort into and we'll critique it

>>2531399
loomis

>>2531400
don't be a dick

>>2531400

How did you know?

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:( such a noob :(

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any tips?

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haviong a composition issue

why does neither position seem like it flows well?

>>2531425
Probably becauae if you follow their mouths, they don't go to the center.

>>2531427
interesting! ill adjust

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I think I am starting to get it... kinda.

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>>2531442
chin is protruding too much, ear and eye are little too high. left edge of her face is more distorted in reference. try draw her neck it will look better and give you shapes to compare.


Just finish this, I will be grateful for critique.

>>2531446
Yeah I saw a couple things and yes I planned on finishing it. Thanks

>>2530702
how constructive

>>2531446
I think the legs are too long and the feet could use work. Also I feel if you were trying to make a wall behind her it doesn't match the perspective.

Would studying sepia pictures help me learn about values?

>>2531442
The jawline doesn't go inward, make it straighter. Shorten the chin a bit, you are looking at her head from a bit more above thus her chin will naturally be shorter.

You have your eyes at an angle due to a slight head tilt but you don't have your nose at one, it is completely horizontal

Your upper lip is way off, it is high on the left side and slopes downward to the right side when it should be high on the right and slope down to the left. If you give it the same angle as the eyes it will begin to look much better.

For the eyes you are missing the thickness of the bottom eyelid on both eyes, and the left side eye is missing its tear duct.

>>2531476
Self portrait

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>>2531446
Your hands are too small and your arms are too long, especially since there is a slight shoulder shrug it brings up the arms a bit and the hands are too low for such a position along with some bending in the arms.

Your lower legs look fairly flat. On the left side leg you are forgetting the calf muscle on the inside position of the leg. If you put it in the leg will look a lot better and of course curvier. The right side leg the bellies for both the side and inside calf muscles are at the same height and that isn't the case. The side belly of the calf muscle is higher than the inside one which of course sits a bit lower.

>>2531235
i wish you will stay forever not like unix

>>2531581
heyw hat about me man i mAKE these threads evbery 300

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Hey guys.

Day One here... 23 years old, been looking for another hobby.

Never done anything outside of those mandatory art classes in school. Starting with Fun With a Pencil.

I've learned and currently play two instruments at a professional level but I had forgotten what it feels like to be so shit at something you don't even really know what's wrong. I'm looking forward to the challenge but fuck it's hard to swallow being this terrible. Am I below average for a beginner?

>>2531624
lines are a bit better than the average beginner, your drawing in general is cleaner. Seems like you're putting a bit more effort into the drawing than most folks.

It's lacking a sense of depth, but that will come with practice, just keep in mind that the things you draw are 3d, they have volume.

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>>2531632

Hey, thanks for the feedback.

I think I understand what you mean about depth - I have no concept of how what I'm drawing 'exists' (I guess?) in real space.

Is this sort of exercise (poorly imitated from one of Sycra's videos) helpful for that? Does volume come from construction?

>>2531601
you're the real mvp

>>2531624

General tip: If your lines are wobbly, speed up. If your lines are inaccurate, slow down. Generally speaking you want to be drawing just fast enough that your muscles take over and your hand doesn't wobble trying to make corrections, but beyond that, go as slow as is necessary to get accurate lines. This all takes practice, obviously.

>>2531668

Thank you based Anon.

This is already helping I think.

>>2531660

I found exercises like the one you posted immensely helpful in my own experience. Do enough simple construction / cross contour lines and it'll start to feel a lot more intuitive. As soon as you can always plot out a good three dimensional sphere/cylinder/square you can apply that to mostly any form.

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Since there's other first timers coming out I'm also gonna ask for some day 1 feedback
Much like >>2531624 I'm also a 23 year old looking for a new thing to do in life.

My drawing experience comes from back when I was 12-14 where drawing was actually a thing in class, and a few years ago when I did an engineering course for 2 years I learned some perspective drawing and scale drawing. Though I feel like I've lost most of it.

On top of that a friend of mine told me a bit ago that instead of instantly jumping into Loomis I should instead try drawing something from imagination and then fix it using reference afterwards. But that seems like a very big leap compared to what I'm doing now.

>>2531694
Since it is a day one type thing I'll suggest when you are making guidelines and first constructing what you draw to hold the pencil near the rear so you can only make light lines.

Eventually you will want to erase those guidelines and to have them dark and possibly imprinted into the paper can prove to be difficult to erase.

Keep up the good work.

>>2531581
unix hsnt left. I'm not leaving, even when i reach high tier art in 2.4 years.

>>2531530
did you use a gorila for the nose reference? Theres no way you think those nostriles are okay, your eyebrows are basty different in size. And you're in a vast case of show more know less when it comes to the necks muscles.

From the sticky:

“Show less, know more”: Sometimes, trying to demonstrate that you know something, shows you know less. *dunning kruger cough* This is the case when you miss the subtility of things. For example: Many beginners try to draw smile lines with darker lines than they need to. The “want” to demonstrate what they’re seeing is overpowering their judgement. The lines are actually very light, so either leave them out completely, or make them thinner. By the way, this is also VERY common in in the philtral column,philtral dimple and sternomastoid muscle.

>>2531726
nostrils*, vastly*

>>2531726
>I'm not leaving, even when i reach high tier art in 2.4 years.
would you bet on it?

>>2531731
Sure, I'll bet a commission on our future skills.

>>2531581
>im still here O_O
i just need to finish my college life

>>2531737
full of shit i saw you playing games in the discord!

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This upside down Picasso shit is going to make my jimmies disintegrate but god damn I will do this bs

>>2531744
i do not play games..
> how can i play a game using a loptop that is shit
u seen my workplace right ??

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More on lineweight, its still realy hard to apply.
It was way easyer to hide mistakes with thin lines, is it atleast less flat now?

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I cannot grasp this concept
I do 30-60 gesture with varying time limit per day, perhaps this is not enough
send help please

>>2531810
Do you really not know what gestures are for, anon? Literally in the anatomy section.

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>>2531814
I know in theory of flowing energy lines but I cannot feel the form behind it, everything looks off after post inspection

>>2531821
Try applying it then. You should notice improvement if you have actually been working to understand.

>>2531822
How?

>>2531821
>>2531822
>>2531824

Gesture doesn't necessarily need form, it just describes a figure's pose/action (different illustrators do it differently, but that's the gist of it)

have you watched based god proko's explanation of gesture, anon?
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74HR59yFZ7Y
watch it again

>>2531829
I watched it many times, still cannot grasp it.

>>2531808
you should no concern yourself with lineweight.

From the sticky:

“Show less, know more”: Sometimes, trying to demonstrate that you know something, shows you know less. *dunning kruger cough* This is the case when you miss the subtility of things. For example: Many beginners try to draw smile lines with darker lines than they need to. The “want” to demonstrate what they’re seeing is overpowering their judgement. The lines are actually very light, so either leave them out completely, or make them thinner. By the way, this is also VERY common in in the philtral column,philtral dimple and sternomastoid muscle."

General anatomy and form ( nose, eyebrows, lips

line weight is the last thing to care about.

>>2531824
Gesture drawings help you convey expression through the body and generally if you suck, you'll create pieces of art work that is rigid and mechanical. So actually try drawing that reference and you may not notice it, but the gesture drawings are helping you successfully depict the body.

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>>2531833
Well then I don't know how I can help anon, your gestures are already passable.

>>2531833
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYPqZlhpbQo

>>2531838
People here sugested lineweight since all my stuff looks realy flat. I knew its advanced stuff but I gave it a try anyway
So I guess I go back to good old thin lines, thanks for advice.

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>>2531871
Tried to keep your style intact, Look at how simple superposition gives depth. The reason youre not doing this is because youre symbol drawing a bit. As in, you don't know that this is based on reality, and even if you choose to make some parts to disappear ( like the brow ridge blocking the eyebrows, mass in front of the extending eyes) you still need to demonstrate they are there by affecting the symbols you kept.


inb4 nosebro youre shit. inb4 i know. inb4 you go and redline then.

>>2531948
Not that guy but I don't really get what you're talking about with superposition. Those diagrams are hard to interpret.

>>2531948
woah thanks, your drawing looks much simpler yet better.
But Im not sure how to apply that superposition thing, I never got into the whole fancy technical stuff about drawing.
I will try to keep it in mind tho and thanks again, nose bro.

>>2531966
he probably meant overlapping

>trying to create thumbnails
>no ideas
>can't make a single half decent comp

JDIMSA

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>>2528756
Guys I can't draw for shit. Anyone recommend any good cartoon-y drawing tutorials online?

Pic related- my attempt at drawing

>>2532025
to draw good in a cartoon style, you gotta be able to draw good in a real-life style.

>>2528756
Is it easier to get into drawing when you have friends that draw, as well?

I've found it hard to get into drawing every day, and I'm terribly lonely.

>>2532096
Friends are always helpful. Healthy competition can encourage growing.

>>2532096
But you have us

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am I still doing symbol drawing?

>>2531726
aren't nostrils supposed to look like that when you're looking upwards? i tried to show more of the bottom plane

>>2532096
4chan in general is a friend that picks on you all the time and will sometimes do jokes at your expense, and always tell you you're bad, but sometimes it'll say you're ok, and that's the highest praise it gives to anything.

>>2532115
Whoops, meant to link
>>2532100

I'll try at it again, but yeah, I've noticed almost all of my hobbies/interest died once I no longer had any friends or goals.

>>2532113
first off, how far down can you possibly be if you cant see the bottom of the chesty, secondly, its much more elongated, they dont go downward. look at ref and make a stroke from top to bottom of the hole and then do the same for yours, youll understand.

>>2532125
CHIN NOT CHESTY.

no idea how that happened.

>>2532113
The problem is the head doesn't look tilted upwards only the nose so it looks like a pig nose or something. We should be able to see the bottom of the jaw, top of the face should be foreshortened etc.

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Round 4. Advice? How do you do shadows in perspective so i can have my basic form loom better? Is it covered in Persoective Made Easy and i just did not read far enough?

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>>2530915
p-pls respond

>ventral=front side of wing
>dorsal=back side of wing

This one is going to be fully rendered piece, hopefully (I hid most of the layers since it's /mlp/ shit)

>>2530915
Yes and yes. Love them.

Someone pls recommend a video series that can replace the books. I can't deal with not seeing how a pro does it since I'm so incompetent at art

>>2532125
>>2532131
thanks my senpaitachi

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