Is Deviant art really dead? Been thinking about making a profile

if you have any intrest in bettering yourself as a artist and as a human being. you will steer very clear from that place. its like tumblr for people that are depressed; you will only feed from the mediocrity and misery of others

>>2452406
DA or Tumblr?

>>2452400

it's deader than dead

>>2452406
Wait, non-depressed art communities exist?
Please tell me some examples.
I mean, jesus, I've been to top art schools even there even the majority have suffered from strong depression or still does. And an overwhelming amount has been or is suicidal, and people taking meds is common.

>>2452411
No wonder the art world is full of so many nutjobs

>>2452400
Don't listen to all these faggots. Just a bunch of miserable twat.
Deviantart still fine, it ain't dead. You just need to be pretty selective on browsing for your fave artists. Plus the job forum can be helpful if you want to start a career.
I suggest another sites like Artstation, Artrift etc.

>>2452406
>laughing.gif
How is it any different from this place

>>2452432
what are you implying, you fucking noob?

>>2452432
There's nothing wrong with this

>>2452432

After a while you begin to realize that there are things more important than perspective in an illustration.

>>2452441

Except there is nothing wrong with the perspective. The artist didn't think it wasn't as important as the next thing.

Given the massive volume of stuff that gets posted it's very hard to get noticed on DA even if you promote yourself on the forums and in deviantart groups.

>>2452459
I got noticed and I'm not really that great. You sure you're just not complete shit?

>>2452432
what

>>2452438
>>2452441
>>2452434
>>2452483
He thought up a perspective but then didn't bother to use a ruler to get the lines exactly right. I know it's not a big deal, but it really doesn't make sense for him not use one.

>>2452400
Why is Akagi crossdressing?

>>2452492
>Rule 63
It`s not cross-dressing if you can pull it off.

>>2452489
What if the fences are bended? Static lines are fucking boring to look at. Not every line has to be perfect straight, anon.

>>2452500
You're not going to make it.

>>2452513
But I already did.
>everything has to be as accurate as real life
You're not going to make it.

>>2452522
>But I already did
post your work then little man

>>2452489
>Its bad because he didn't use a ruler to get perfectly straight lines
This has to be one of the worst critiques I've seen here.

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>ITT weebs defending weeaboo shit.

Yes it looks bad it would of looked better if he had not been lazy and furthermore nobody has mentioned the fact that the two figures are actually giants as perspective would prove that the building on the background is far too small if you relate the figures on the same horizon line. The figures themselves are being seen at a slightly lower eye level as the rest of the picture it is just a bad drawing through and through.

>>2452546
>literally nitpicking
are you that desperate to prove you're better than "weaboos"?

>>2452547
>m-muh nitpicking muh cherry picking!

This is no nitpicking it is very obvious you do not even need a trained eye to see this anybody with knowledge on the basics of perspective would be able to see this and if you fail to see the obvious deviation of perspective you need to reevaluate yourself and asses why you can't see something so simple and basic.

>>2452552
>I'm a huge faggot, why aren't you guys as well?

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>>2452559
>gets proven to be in the wrong and retorts to name calling and insults

Here's your reply.

>>2452565
Literally no one except /ic/ would care about the fence perspecive being off 3 degrees.

>>2452573
It is not just that see
>>2452546

>>2452576
that's still perspective faggot, and its so minimal you needed to ruler map it out to notice that its 5 pixels off.
you're fucking autistic dude.

>>2452546
I don't get this either.
I point out sloppy fundamentals and people reply with "perspective isn't that important" and "straight lines are boring" and "nitpicking".

>>2452573
>>2452577
It instantly looked a bit wonky to me, then I investigated it in photoshop and saw one of the reasons. There are other perspective mistakes but they are a bit harder to show because it's just that the girl on the left and the environment aren't in exactly the same perspective.

Just because a mistake is comparatively small doesn't mean you shouldn't point it out. Pointing out small mistakes on an art critique board certainly doesn't make oyu autistic.

>>2452579
Its one thing to point it out, its another to act superior because you proved that it was a few pixels off.

>thread completely derailed into arguing over extremely petty shit like the fence being slightly off in the unrelated OP pic
never change /ic/

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>>2452577

>>2452577
Not that guy, but maybe you just have a poor eye for details. I noticed the weird wall immediately when looking at the thumbnail. I thought the wall was purposely drawn at an angle, but when I opened the picture I saw it was just crooked.

>>2452582
This red-line is not correct.

>>2452591
Prove it

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>>2452582
Ahaahaha. It's like you just read Loomis or perspective made easy and think you're a pro now.

>>2452582
I guess they duck when they enter that door.

always funny seeing noobs make fools of themselves while trying to critique

>>2452580
Are you new? This is 4chan, you shouldn't get baited a smug anime poster.

>>2452582
>>2452592
This is wrong.
The problem is you can't really make a correct redline unless you know for certain where the horizon line is. And with the wonky lines we can't know that.

>>2452593
Thank you for proving that using very basic tools would show that the figure would be too large to fit through the building.

>>2452602
>And with the wonky lines we can't know that.

I did not use the wonky lines I disregarded that instead I focused on the figure itself it is clear that the eye level would be below the waist line.

>>2452608
So you made up your own horizon line.

>>2452608
>I didn't use the perspective the artist wanted, instead I used my own to prove that he isn't doing it my way
bravo.

>>2452611
Relative to the figure, yes. Now all the artist needs to do is relate the rest of the picture onto the same horizon line.

>>2452613
The artist is incorrect in order to place the figures correctly in perspective he would have to simply follow the same eye level as he drew the figures on its that easy.

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I decided I wanted the picture to be more my style, so I introduced a new horizon line.

>>2452617
Did you know you can draw people while your eyes are far below someone's waistline?

Theres no reason not to have acvounts everywhere. It takes no time uploading your work compared to making it.

>>2452582
>literally "I have no idea what I'm doing" redline.jpg

What do you think the measurements of the objects on this image are?

I can recreate it in sketchup.

Doors are about 200x90cm, which would make the mini building about 400x360x360cm. The stone railing is probably about 120cm high? 40cm thick? And the fence adds another 200cm? Asian high schoolers would probably be around 160cm.

I'll give this a try.

Why does it even matter, you can tell the artist just threw the background together quickly. Clearly it wasn't the main focus of the image so it didn't matter if it was a tiny bit wonky here and there.

>b-but everything should be perfect!
no it shouldn't. People don't got time for that.

>>2452634
Lmfao sketchup instead of just manually doing it. you're bad, kid, just quit life.

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>>2452620

>>2452651
Girl on the right looks furry now.

>>2452641
I've got to satisfy my autism.

>>2452620
I'm in a CS math class but i almost burst out laughing

>>2452582
fucking mong

>>2452582

This is what happens when you keep spouting the "you don't need to be gud to critique someone" meme

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Well, I did it! Does it help anyone with anything? I don't think so.

>>2452648
B-but it's hard to accurately construct things if there is such a huge hight difference up close.

>>2452744
I wasn't sure what to do about the fence. In the original image it's only about 1m tall. That doesn't really make sense if it is to prevent any suicides.

>>2452744
It looks worse desu.
And you didn't alter the doorbuilding

>>2452759
not him, but what needs altering on the building??

>>2452489
This is straight up autism. I'm sure the artist was lazy because again, it doesn't fucking matter

>>2452744
>-but it's hard to accurately construct things if there is such a huge hight difference up close.

No it fucking isnt just reference the point of the door God in heaven /ic/ is so stupid lately.

>>2452582
>shift lines
Topkek

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>>2452620
God fucking dammit.

>>2452778
How do you get the correct height on the back, horizontal fence?
Here is a quick sketch, I got the height of the building by constructing the door and then multiplying that.

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>>2452848

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>>2452849

>>2452849
Best redline ITT

>>2452855
>>2452856
at least tell me how to get the height for that fence you fuckers

>>2452872
just stop where the fence stops going backwards and draw lines horizontally from the top and bottom..

>>2452875
But I don't know where that is cause the building is in the way

>>2452459
And? Name one art site that this doesnt apply to.

>inb4 newgrounds

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>>2452879
you decide where it is. also you can see where the other side of the fence ends so just use that. draw through your shapes mango

>>2452880
pixiv

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>>2452879
>>2452882
hopefully this helps. if not, get a book on perspective

>>2452882
>>2452888
Hmm, thanks.
I see. But the depth of the building is an estimation and not exact, right?

This thread is unbeleivably embarassing. People are actually arguing and deconstructing some fucking one point linear perspective drawing because the lines are slightly off.

Do you actually believe it requires skill to set a horizon line and vanishing point? The artist eyeballed it because it's a simple 1 point perspective, you retards. If he wanted to, he could obviously have made it a super tight grid where everything fits exactly. A fucking grade schooler knows how to do 1p perspective, you morons.

That artist isn't "lazy" for not doing it. It would actually do you a lot of good if you stopped looking at perspective as some airtight ruleset where nothing should be off even an inch and instead treat it for what it is for what it actually is, a tool to create the illusion of 3D space.

>>2452891
i'd imagine when it was being sketched out he would have the fences first, got the divisions for the fence pattern (probably using a vanishing trace) then decided he wanted the depth of the building to be maybe 8 by 10 fence posts.

if the fences are already sketched out, it's easy to put a 1 point perspective cube in there accurately, fitting into the corner.

>/ic/
>one point linear perspective specialists

>>2452908
I'm defending the artist, but yes it is "lazy" considering doing it correctly would make it look better here.
Its fine to eyeball it, he probably wanted to get it done with and didn't care about to painstakingly grid everything out. But the reason he did it wasn't to make it look better, its because gridding shit like that is a pain in the ass for minimal gains.

>>2452908
Best post of the thread

>>2452651
Second best

>>2452423
listen to this guy OP

- DA is fine when you just started with arting
- artstation, etc is good when you already got some skills
- tumblr...is good for dumping sketches/doodles and art research in general, but watch your step there

>>2452489
I see different problem- right character doesn't follow the foreshortening (not that left one does, but you fags have those red lines right in your face).

>>2452432
>>2452489
sad but the absolute typical /ic/ mindset, even 4chan in general I'd say. Let's not argue about what matters because we ain't got a clue anyway, let's argue about some autistic details we don't even understand because of the illusion of safety provided by objectivity

>>2453019
Fact is a good artist doesn't make those mistakes. the artist in question wasn't able to eyeball it to an effective manner. idiot.

>>2452912
okay, thanks

>>2453040

What do you call effective? Do you mean 'mathematically spot on'? Why do you think it needs to be mathematically spot on to be effective? Are you sure you're not just being a nitpicking shit who wants to feel better about himself?
The perspective does what perspective is supposed to do - see >>2452908

>>2452411

In my experience depression and craziness is common too.

>>2452432
Lens curve brah.

>>2452400
I am most popular on DA trying to push myself everywhere DA works the vry best for me.

>>2452582

Embarrassing.

You don't even know how to transfer height in perspective.

You're meant to line up the right figures head on the fence before you travel down along it to the vanishing point retard. See >>2452882
and read something thats not perspective made easy.

>>2452489
Who cares even, It was close enough that only upon deep inspection (from an autist) would see and care enough. The main focus are the figures in the composition

On topic though, imo deviantart is still one of the best art sites around.
>large population
>good image storage and browsing
>decent groups
>lots of publicity if you're popular
the downside is you have to suck dick to get there, but that's how it is everywhere.
DA is far better than tumblr for storing art, pixiv is up there as well but that's for japs and weaboos.

>>2452432
Maybe the fence is bent?

>>2453122
>you have to suck dick to get there
i don't know shit about social media and whilw my tumblr and twitetrt posts are getting completely zero attention on DA i got attention to sticking my art into every possible group, like i just dump it and people follow me.

Why are you all still arguing over this fence...? I just wanted to know if DA was worth going to.

>>2453123
this.
anyone who's ever seen a fence IRL knows that they are rarely straight, unless they've just been put up. they get bent all the time
>source: the fence expert

Just get a DA, Tumblr, Instagram, Artstation and whatever else. Doesn't hurt to put your work up to more audiences.

>>2452888
A classic case of autism derailing a thread

>>2452400
>Deviant art
>dead

>>2452400
Why the fuck wouldn't you just do both. Or something like: everything goes up on the tumblr, and the select pieces go up on DA

>>2452400
make an account on "hackforums net" they have a pretty cool section for artwork. check it out

>>2453377
and discussing wether DA is dead is more constructive?

>>2453781
Alot more constructive than the autism going on right now

>>2453781
DA can be very good if you know where to post. Some of the critiquing groups have really good artists helping out. If you know where to go DA is a fantastic place.

>>2452582

Go watch NMA:s perspective series with Erik Olson. You desperately need it. I almost don't care if you download it without any plans of donating or "paying back" later when you have a job, because you are simply embarassing.

This thread with all of these autistic red line images shows nobody on this board is ever going to make it.

>>2454372
Teach us, please.

>>2452400
HOLY FUCKING BULLYMONG SHIT. Y'all fucking disgust me. Have none of you autists ever heard of artistic liberties before? Tjhe reason he made the girls (specifically the white haired one) so large is to make in imbalanced. Bat-girl is trying so hard to be tough here, but no matter how much she tries, cigaret girl (wtf, that's how you spell fucking cigaret?) will be in control of the situation, so she's drawn to be this giant in comparison. Goddamn.

Side note, I wonder if white hair is dtf...

>>2454393
Deep

>>2452888
dude the bitches head is totally not above the fence. she could easily fit through the door. her head is not even above the center fence bar. jeeze

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How many people has autism in this thread?

>>2454521
i hope you are trolling..

if not, the redline is answering >>2452872
not how tall the characters are in relation to the fence, which this answers: >>2452882

>>2454577
I hope you're trolling, do you even know how to speak english?

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How am I doing? Feels weird.

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>>2454607
oh never mind, you're just retarded

>>2454649
the perspective is one point, including the characters relation to the fence, meaning you just go horizontal from the characters head to the fence and not to a vanishing point. see >>2452882

also work on your proportions m8

>>2452400
All the autist/ic/ here ruining a perfectly acceptable image with shity redraws...

You're killing the artists meaning in the image by modifying the bg and making it as important as the characters.

>>2452400
who are these characters, I feel turned on by them.

>>2454676
yeah thats what I've been saying, this picture perfectly conveys a message.

>>2454676
it's getting noobs to analyse and study it, teaching them about perspective. nothing wrong with that

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>people trying to act like they know what they are talking about
>wind up showing they don't know shit

>>2454676
While I agree that there's autism misplaced, a good background does not detract from the image, it would add to it.
I don't pretend every drawing has to be perfect, but people defending it by saying its better or intended are retarded. Its laziness brought on by time constraints or just not caring anymore about something that isn't the focus. It wasn't an intentional decision to make it look better.

>>2454736
If teaching noobs to disregard an abstract thought process(i.e teach them to ignore their right brain) is a good thing, then I don't even know what to think anymore.

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>>2454843
Right.

Btw, I don't think the mountains in this image are drawn to proportion.The BG needs to add to the image.

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The drawing is out of perspective, therefore it is a bad drawing. This isn't a difficult concept.

>muh artistic vision!

The drawing is out of perspective.

>muh abstraction!

The drawing is out of perspective.

>b-but the fence must be bent!

The drawing is out of perspective.

>muh artist's intentions! h-he intended to draw it like that!

The drawing is out of perspective.

>m-muh fish eye lens effect!

The drawing is out of perspective.

>muh style!

The drawing is out of perspective.

>y-you're just nitpicking! It's off by 3 pixels you're being autistic!

The drawing would still be out of perspective.

>>2452400
The attention whores are gone into tumblr and instagram and patreon and whatever new fad site pops up, so dA is left with the people who actually threat it as a community like forum posters and group admins, the absolutely autistic, and pros that recognize it's not the best place to network but it's still the best website to have your art at a decent resolution stored forever.

>>2454866
try again next time dude. We all know its b8 at this point.

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>>2454866
That background is the smexiness thing around, rite m8?

>>2454866
3 degrees actually,

And you've been damage controlling this thread for like 2 days now.

>>2452400
Deviantart is full of ass kissers. If you want praise then buy a membership, post on the critique topics and you'll be sure to get plenty of yesmen to reply. On the otherhand if you actually want to learn something the site is completely useless.

With that being said I have no alternatives for you. Crimsondaggers and Permanoobs are both pretty slow. Topics from months ago lie dormant on the front page of the busiest forums (except sketchbooks). Conceptart moves so slowly these days. I'm sad that it's hayday is long over.

Are there any sites where actual critique takes place?

>>2454665
Proportions feel weird to me too but I don't see what I should change. The extreme length difference of the legs on the figure on left is very disconcerting but I believe it's right given the perspective.

>>2454845
you teach theory to the left brain. when that theory is practiced and made intuitive, it's transferable to the right brain

>>2455207
i mean your figures, regardless of the perspective. if you want to keep drawing figures, you should consider spending a long time trying to get those right. start with head construction (the loomis head)

>>2455289
I appreciate the feedback, but unless you have specifics this is completely useless to me. I obviously already know that my figures aren't great and that I can improve them with practice. That's actually part of the reason I am drawing this study.

>>2455286
You do know the whole "left right brain" Shit isn't really right?

>>2453048
This.
>it does what it's suppose to do


>ITT: has never thought about how sacrificing rules of perspective can have an effect in and of itself, rendering a notion of imbalance which will feed into how the subjects will be read psychologically.

Consider that the rules of images aren't all focused on math.
Consider that a single point perspective isn't exciting to the eye, and by bending the rules (in this case the fence,) the artist creates a less static path for the eye to move around in. Also, fences aren't normally mathematically perfect, as anon said.

The perspective in pic unrelated is good enough. If you got to redline every image you see, your problem isn't that everyone else is wrong, but that you hold rules in too high regard because your imagination is too tiny to begin reading images by means of other, various merits.

>>2454866
Wrong. The correct answer is
>muh artistic liberties
The drawing is still shitty anime

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And pixiv?

>>2455315
yes i know, but it works in practice. left vs right thinking is just logical vs intuitive thinking, which are very real, separate thought processes, and the theory for teaching intuition with drawing works with the left/right brain analogy

>>2455300
there are too many problems to go into specifics and have it be helpful to you. what i mean is you should be focusing on one thing: the human figure. and just getting decent at that takes months of hard work. you're slowing down your progress by ignoring this, just pick up a figure drawing book or torrent a course and spend your time doing that.

or you could just brush off my advice and stagnate, i don't really care either way

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>>2454866
How does one draw a bent fence and still have perspective?

>>2455286
I don't know if I can believe that.
If you teach people to be nitpicky and negative towards others technique you invite arrogance and close mindedness.

Instead of studying an error in BG's it's much more worthwhile to look at his flaws in character design.

The characters were what the artist put thought into so why comment on what he rushed(though i think his error makes the image more desirable to non-artists) ?

>>2455580
the error inn the background is just that: an error. it's something that is very FUNDAMENTAL in communicating something in 3d space on a 2d surface.

in the beginning you have to be nitpicky on everything you learn, getting things as precise as possible. it's why you learn all of the muscles with anatomy, figure out the degrees an ellipse should be in perspective, and copy values as precisely as possible.

if you can't even identify flaws in a very simple 1 point perspective, then you've got a lot of learning to do. this shit is fundamental. you can't just not learn the fundamentals and expect to progress with your art.

and regardless of whether thought was put into it, it's still an error that others can learn from.

also i have no idea how an error could possibly make the image more desirable than one that's correct, though i know it's not a noticeable error, why not make it a point for new artists to simply draw through with their lines ?

>>2452411
>>2452412
>>2453053
I've been on meds for years, and I was suicidal before then. I feel like it's never going to go away.

Tumblr is more current than DA and it probably gives you better exposure. DA is really hard to get into at this point.

>>2455649
Fuck you and everyone who uses tumblr for art storage.
Literally the worst site stop advertising it.

>>2455653
What other sites give you visibility? ArtStation is mostly videogame concept art which I have no interest in.

>>2455658
You're not going to get any professional exposure on tumblr.
Pixiv and deviantart are still better for storage.
I don't care if you use tumblr for "exposure" (bullshit) but at least store the damn shit on a place with a decent gallery.

>>2455663
>pixiv
>decent
fuck off weeb

>>2455666
>how dare you recommend a site with a good gallery system
I don't care about the other issues, for storing purposes it's far better than shit like tumblr.

>>2455663
Pixiv is absolutely pointless if you don't do anime art and DA is basically a dying version of Tumblr.

>>2455670
The gallery systems of da and tumblr are nothing alike.

>>2455666
>666

>>2455672
In terms of traffic DA is dying, and that's the most important factor.

On the other hand it doesn't really matter where you put your art, other factors decide whether or not it's going to get noticed

>>2455625
Increasing the fence size makes the characters look less significant. Door size, yeah I get that.
But adjusting details in the background doesn't make sense unless you're the kind of person who looks at every composition as a study in technical drawing.

Art isn't architecture. Non ugly mistakes and improvisation are the escence of art.

>>2455675
DA is nowhere as popular as it used to be, but I think it's still pretty active. I prefer DA to Tumblr since you can leave comments and reply to stuff, rather than just faceless reblogs/likes.

>>2455681
the fence size can be increased without it being wrong in perspective.

again. i'm not saying the artist should adjust it. i was helping artists who otherwise would not understand how to correctly construct such an environment.

i agree somewhat with what your saying, but if it's something that is not supposed to be wrong in the image, it's an error that should be looked at in the creation of an image. how do you think artists are meant to improve without analysing mistakes??

once again, you start with technical studies, then move away from that. want to learn to draw buildings? you learn how to precisely measure each sequence of windows, learn all the formulas, and eventually after enough repetition, you learn to see that stuff without measuring, and can just draw without the measurements, and guess what.. the mistakes won't be ugly because they look correct to you, a person with a trained eye towards perspective!!!!!!!

i'm done with this discussion, i feel like i've made my point clear too many times and it's not getting through to you

>>2455706
>you can leave comments and reply to stuff
I agree but in many years and over my 4-5 reincarnations on DA I haven't received a single constructive comment. It's always stuff like "I wuv ur art :3". Getting reblogged feels much better 'cause you know you're getting exposure at least.

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>>2452400

I think this piece would benefit if it didn't make the perspective of the bg a bit extreme because it looks like as if it's stretching out area too hard while the characters are pretty large compared to the place.

>>2452400
Also,OP. What the fuck's wrong with the blue yankee's hand? Is it inside the pocket or is it holding a cigarete? I can't fucking understand.

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>>2455458
I'm not brushing your advice off, it's just that I was already doing that. I literally did just what you are suggesting now over the past few days.

The main problem here isn't my mediocre figure drawings skills but rather the fact that it's now completely from imagination and from a PoV that I'm not used to.

>>2455670
Tumblr and DA galleries are nothing alike. When you search on tumblr for fanart, you have to wade through a bunch of blog posts or irrlevant shit and most of the fanart made is done in a horrible style or poorly drawn.

>>2452432
anon, you make a case for driving a community into the ground

>>2455774
It seems to be both for the most part.

Judging by the scene, I'd say that she pulled out two of those things, popped one in, and went to place one back.

Either that, or she's pulling out another one, but I have no idea what that is.

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>>2455774
That's a genderswapped Akagi, who's pulling out a mahjong counting stick, which serves the same purpose as a chip in poker.

>>2455720
Quit the holier than thou attitude.

I get your point

>>2455774
It could be a lighter?

>>2456355
Yeah, if she intends to light the other counting stick in her mouth on fire.