Beginner Thread

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>>2436770

1st for nosebro senpai

>>2436774
FUCK

FUCK YOU >>2436773

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>>2436773

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>>2436783

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>>2436789

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>>2436792

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reposting from old thread

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>>2436799

>>2436797
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B8VO-JQCy3HgZ0U3QkVvVm4wREE

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How is my head construction?

>>2436805
see this link!!!! open it >>2436804

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>>2436770
Reposting.

>>2436774
If you actually cared about me you would wait until unix has finished posting his set of pictures so you dont break them with your post.

>>2436805
I can barely see anything. Take a photo in some decent lighting.

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>>2436797

Is it bad to play Runescape while practicing?

>>2436848
Depends on how actively you're playing runescape, but I wouldn't do it. Honestly you should motivate yourself to get stuff done within a time window so you can play runescape /after/ art, which means you procrastinate less and feel rewarded and relaxed after drawing.

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First day of doing noses, I feel something is off, can someone put any input?

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Okay, /ic/ I need help. I am shit and I don't know where to focus on at the moment. Head construction, muscle and volume, gesture, finishing my damn sketches or just everything. I am currently confused and I want to progress.Any advice, I really would like the help and any advice you guys can give.

>>2436888
fundamentals before style

>>2436888

>>2436924
this

Your drawings are interesting but they're hyperactive and lacking quality. It's great you have a lot of ideas, but you need to actually work on your skills before you start trying to get them onto the page. Do some figure drawing and focus on construction over gesture.

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I am so sorry about the quality, I had to up the contrast and everything.

I'm having trouble with perspective on this. It's supposed to be the POV of a man who fell off a defeated ship and is near drowning, but I keep making it as if he were standing.

>>2436950
Black spot is another camera flaw in contrast, it's just a body

>>2436950
That hand is fuarrking nice

Is alt art welcome in the beginners thread if I'm still a beginner? Or should I just keep it in the alt thread?

>>2436862

Use references to practice

>>2436957
THANK YOU
It's the only part I like, probably because it was live reference

>>2436967
That is a good question. Go ahead and post in alt because if you do it here then it's a green light for others.

>>2436979
The appeal of it for me comes mostly from the way you indicated the tendons through shadow and made good use of line weight, are you into David Finch's DVDs?

>>2436950

You've drawn the perspective way too high. If he's in the water his eyes would make the horizon just above the surface, and he would be seeing the ships from below.

>>2436986
It's something I picked up from a bunch of anon's, I made a blend of what I liked best in them. I've never heard of Finch but I looked him up and it's my style, I'll study more of him.

I've done plenty of hand studies but that was my second time drawing the sea and the first drawing ships, so I guess I just have to keep practicing and I'm gold.

>>2436998
It was even worse the first time, but it was just a quick sketch I did in easy classes these past two days so I didn't take it too seriously.

>>2437002
*anons* sorry

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>>2436799
>>2436800
any1?

>>2437012
So messy, just uh...don't do that. You have no edges and your shading is shite.

My critique style is naturally mean

>>2436977
What if I am already?

>>2437012
Tidy up your lines. You're kind of doing the non-coloring-book version of "coloring over the lines" - and it's most likely because your lines weren't good in the first place. If the reference is of a smooth object like here, don't even think about shading til the lines are passable. All the black on the right is horrible too, I don't know why you did that, it's unnecessary and it's unevenly shaded too. Your lighting isn't too bad though, and the blending in PARTS is quite good, though there is a black splodge worth cleaning up in the centre.

Should I actually read the text in Fun with a Pencil or just skip to exercises?

>>2436948
Thank you very much, I will focus on construct more from this point out. Any other advice that you can give. I will take as much as you can possibly muster. Currently reading "Michael Hampton- Figure Drawing - Design and Invention". Currently at the gesture drawing pages.

>>2437073
I'd say that if you're following a book I'd just keep going through it. It's obvious from your drawings that you are focused on gesture, but if you're just learning gesture now that's fine. The figure with the bow and the monster above it to the left show the best gesture in my opinion.

>>2437095
Got it anon. Thanks for the constructive criticism so far. I will keep practicing the book as well.

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>>2436770
Have one of my drawings,

Criticism very welcome.

>>2437100
HOLY SHIT GUYS, THIS IS PROOF OF MY HATE OF ONE FOOT FORWARD ONE FOOT SIDEWAYS.

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>>2437108
You're just jealous of it's beauty.

>>2437100
never skip leg day

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>>2437108
LOOK AND DESPAIR!

>>2437108
I'm bad at feet, sorry.

>>2437111
Good to know.

>>2437110
not even 1ff1fo

>>2437100
don't press so hard


side question: is drawing some of these "reference" images going to make me better? how so?

>>2437160
If you draw reference, you learn how to draw the subject you're drawing without having to guess "how it works".

I think begginer should know proportion before study anatomy

>>2437178
Proportion, anatomy and the figure are typically all lumped into one. Any respectable figure focused book will have some form of proportion chart, Peck and Loomis being examples.

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Bracing for impact

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how do I draw a rugged granite/stone wall? or even this... someone do it. I just watched a tutorial video on YouTube where the girl just draws a bunch of fuckin colored in ovals all through a rectangle.I really just need a pattern to use behind text that say "block it out".

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>try to draw from imagination
>mind is blank

>>2437254
Everytime

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still life from earlier, its a gargoyle head

my first time using charcoal, does anyone have any tips for blending? I tried using my finger and that helps a bit but its still hard

>>2437226

Find pictures of said walls, do studies. Apply what you learned in your studies in your original work.

>>2437226
you don't, depending on your medium, the process is different but most of the time you add details gradually from bigger to smaller shapes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LxlgcLDCiwg

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>>2436770

>>2437445
reported

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How is this?

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Thanks for ref. I usually just only draw females, and I should diverse more to learn more. I'm horrible at rendering but gave i a try.

>>2437510
the hands

>>2437445
This is so fucking ironic.

God you people lack self awareness.

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Salvageable, or a polished turd waiting to happen?

Spent a little over an hour so far. The scene is based off a photo from WWII, IIRC. I don't have the patience to do a 1:1 observational study atm, so you'll notice that many things are off and I'm just making stuff up.

Am also testing a custom brush I made called "rough binary", to use for sketching and/or blocking in values. Very meh, better than hard round at least. The subtle oekaki aesthetic distracts from my shit painting skills, so I'm happy about that.

Base canvas value is a 6 or 7, having made any strokes with higher values yet.

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>>2437608
ref

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>>2437608
meant to say
>haven't made any strokes with higher values yet

>>2437254
>tfw

>>2437608
Kinda looks like its tipping over

>>2437608

That's one big donkey horse. Or possibly Three hobbits? Not decided.

>>2436799
>>2436800
>>2436823
>>2436839
>>2437012
>>2437100
RESIZE AND PROPERLY ROTATE YOUR PICTURES BEFORE POSTING YOU SHMUCKS

>>2437756
>mfw it didnt resize

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posted in previous thread but it died so repost
how did i do senpai

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Stared to long at it so im not sure about the whole thing anymore.
I will try to fix and shade it tomorow.
Also, light source where?

>>2437760
Post the reference pls

>>2438056
The anatomy is bad, maybe touch up on arms, torso, and hands. You can get away with the face

After about a year of study and practice I realised that I have no idea how to actually make a drawing. Like I just spend 2 minutes slamming down some lines that somewhat resemble the reference and then I just move on to the next reference. I tried correcting things and putting in details afterwards but it just gets really messy.
I've been spending all this time learning line control and anotomy and gesture and perspective but no book ever told me how to actually make a fucking drawing. Clearly I'm retarded and need a spep-by-step guide.
I obviously start by laying down the gesture in hard (light) pencil. Then what? Save me, please.

>>2437254
then PRACTICE to fill time? or do something else inspiring?

>>2438056
The line difference here make it so obvious what you are and aren't comfortable with yet.

>>2438107
I can't solve your problem
But my thought is make a plan
For example

'I'm gonna draw a loli that giving ice cream in ice cream truck' like that

>>2437210
Surprised no ones hitting this, it looks like you need texture study's I understand the comic book style your going for however the silhouettes of the background don't read as having any texture, look up the draw a box website and do the texture excercises . again to just condense this the straight lines don't work and looks bad break them up understand the object your drawing. In this case its wood which I only know from the movie

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I've been going through fun with a pencil and I wanted to try jumping a book ahead for a bit and applying what I've learned so I'll have something to look back on in comparison later.

Here it is. I would post my cartoon Loomis heads, but what is there really to say about them? It's just a base building exercise, yes?

I'm the guy who drew the frog-looking bitch a few threads back if it matters.

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How do you guys practice getting straight lines?

The tablet's disconnection between arm and eyes fugs me up a lot on straight arms. Kept noticing it on boxes.

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I tried to make animals, and will attempt to draw OPs image, kill me.

any good guides or tips on drawing gesture? my drawings always feel so stiff. maybe something on movement.

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I just finished this. I am a beginner so any advice is appreciated. something is off but i dont know what.

>>2438499
>something is off but i dont know what.
Basically everything lol, where's her right leg?

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Thoughts?

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How are my gestures?

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>>2438533
I dig 'em, the legs on the profile are straight though, when you had the opportunity to push the S-curve of the leg. Try working more with the line of beauty as opposed to straights if you can.

>>2438526

loomis and actually look at a human being. Are you blind?

>>2438091
I should probably redraw everything below the neck then, thanks for the advice.
>>2438116
So true, I mostly strugled with parts of the hair and most of the body.

I'm working on a Unity program which renders boxes with random dimensions and angles. Does it sound like a good way to grind out cubes? I've done hundreds based on Draw a Box but I can't reproduce boxes I see for my life. I'm thinking of adding other shapes and then intersections and open sourcing it.

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>>2438091

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Can someone offer me help with colour? I just started and i don't know where to go next.

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All the symbol drawing. All of it. One day...

>>2438526
please only post when you get serious about art

also loomis

>>2438601
At least your symbols are better than the average faggot, your eyes seem to take note of the actual fucking shape of the eyelids instead of the retarded vagina straight-curve-over-sphere shit people try to pass as an eye. That said, nut up and get good, tackle the problems you know about.

>>2437426
any pointers on this one?

>have a idea
>can't draw
>go back to the loomis and other shit tone of reference
>repeat

When the fuck can i draw hentai?

>>2438828
After a whole bunch of practice.

>>2438828
you can do it now but you probably won't be satisfied with it

>>2438828
When you've drawn 10000 hours of shitty hentai.

>>2438837
>1000 hours
At least i don't die

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Tips on drawing proper hair?

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>>2438856
Approach it like sculpting.
First think of the form of the head and then block out the biggest shapes.

>>2438516
it is behind her left leg. just tell me what specifically i can do better. thats all i came here for.

>>2436783
nice bush 10/10

>>2439081
get out of beg thread
>>2438856
guidelines wouldve fixed the ear size difference and the ey drooping, construction wouldve fixed the midpoint of the chin and the nose.

>>2438601
relearn head construction, your jaw are unappealing ( sharpen but start the ascension lower ( mouth level is when jaw curves in)) and your skull doesnt have enough forehead

>>2439226
Why do you tell people to get out of the beg threads?

>>2436770
I've been doing scott robertson how to draw book for the past few weeks and was wondering how can I supplement real life drawing for it

Where do you guys search for your reference besides google? Do you use special tags for specific things like architecture or car engines and other gizmos or what-not? I'm a bit overwhelmed and don't really know how to organize a ref library, do you any of you guys have any tips for that?

>>2439228
its a trade, the good go out, the bad come in. it assures quality material in the main threads and allows people the choice of seeing good or bad art or both.

It's also encouraging to get told to gtfo.

>>2439253
get out of beg thread

Guys should I focus on quantitiy? No matter what I draw it comes out as a piece of shit but I read you just need to draw, the pieces get slowly together in your subconcious even if you don't feel like you're improving.

>>2438601
You need to construct your heads better
The heads you're drawing currently look more like masks than heads
Heads are mostly a trimmed sphere with a jaw attached, but I'm still very beginner myself so someone better might tell you different.

>>2439279
Jesus dude. Literally just draw, even when it's shit. Shit is the only thing you're going to be drawing for some time. But every time you draw you need to be self-critical and realize what you did wrong and when you draw again, try not to make the same mistake. This is literally the way to get better.

>>2439279
1 like drawing
2 like, i mean the process of it
3 draw for the action itself, not just the result
4 working your pencil or whatever is fun
5 appreciate what you can in every one of your pieces
6 like the design? good. like the composition? good. like the idea? good. even if all but one aspect is shit, at least one part will be THE shit, so focus on that.
7 also appreciate it for your mistakes. shit drawings help you see what about your process, approach, and skill set needs improvement. it's like a puzzle, or a level/stat based video game. grind! grind! grind! you're royalty of the sweet loot.

>>2439300
I thought it's normal to hate grinding fundamentals.

>>2439301
i thought that was only on the internet?
like, in an online community and the culture that accumulates within it you have access to so much artwork that only the absolute best gets even seen, the emphasis and the only measure of success we're able to see is the attention, social exchanges, and ratings our pieces get. any experiences you or another artist have WHILE making the piece isn't something that can be expressed online and the habit of appreciating those experiences thus doesn't get passed on from one artist to another.

in RL and to a lesser extent in smaller online communities grinding can is the cake, "masterpieces" is just the buttercream icing that took for fucking ever to whip by hand but kinda justifies and celebrates the cake. then you all get together and eat it.

>>2439314
I guess there is something fundamentally wrong if I hate learning fundamentals. No one is stopping me to make it fun. I would profit greatly making those tedious grinding tasks into more creative and more memorable enjoyable tasks. I need to get my head around this.

In theory it makes sense that mistakes can be greatly enjoyable.

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Some guy rekt a painting I did of caligula but opened my eyes to the process of laying down tone

Reposting here hoping it helps anyone else

>>2439226

>get out of beg thread
I like your attitude, seeing art too good sometimes discourages

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>>2436770
I gave myself 30 minutes for each of these, looking for general feedback. Thanks Beginner Thread! love you guys!

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>>2439370
And this one's of
>>2437119
This handsome dudes abs

>>2439371
>>2439370
When you go at it like this, what do you plan on doing to smooth it over?

>>2439327
at one point you thought it was fun or you wouldn't still be doing it. you're just as much remembering it as you are wrapping your head around it.

>>2439372
Well, since they were timed, I didn't plan on smoothing, but If i was to fully render this out I'd take a soft round brush with the correct tone to smooth the transitions, while keeping the edges sharper. After that I would just go back at it with the hard round to sharpen up what spots need to be. I went in with the intent on playing with color in the second practice, the first was more of just a warm up. Thanks!

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>>2439376
Thanks for the response, I asked because I'm having trouble 'finishing up' my attempts. I seem to lack a clearly defined process in my painting. I'm gonna try what you described today.

>>2439371
>>2439385
Both of you use bigger brushes

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I honestly can not be assed to render

>>2439385
No problem man, from what I see here, you need a stronger edge control, and you could also push your values further if you wanted.I'm roughly the same level as you so I cant comment on the structure of the skull but something about the nose looks off. Maybe another anon who knows what hes talking about can verify. Best of luck!
>>2439389
Thanks for the tip! I'll apply that next study.

What's the secret I'm missing to git gud?

>>2439397
Don't get comfortable, draw alot.
Like, hours every day.
You will end up with a whole chunk of your life spendet on drawing.

>>2439260
im not posting though.

>>2439409
I don't think I have the strength to endure a hard life. Is there another hobby that is productive but easy?

>>2439423
You can learn at a more laid-back pace too. Especially if it's just a hobby.

It might take much longer before you "make it" tho

How do I go about quick sketching a face? I can do a portrait without symbol drawing if I work slow, but when I am doing a quicker sketches it all looks like shitty symbols. Any tips? I find that it's easier when I use a conte stick and rely on using the flat side but when I use regular pencils with thin lines it's shit.

>>2439441
Measure your time to take a normal sketch. Go 50% faster from there. You will suck but after some practice your neuronal connections will get faster and faster and your skill catches up with your speed. If you want to go faster just repeat the process as much as you like.

>>2439396
By edge control you mean being able to see where the values begin and end... yes. Its killing me rn.

>>2439467
I think he means your messy edges.

>>2439430
this.

>>2439397
>>2439423
I am in a "hobby" life drawing class my college provides for people as a free time activity. Class is only once a week and those people have a difficult school so I can assure you they don't practice that much outside of the class. But the improvement is much greater any of them had expected, even only after 1 semester all of them improved significantly. A lot of them didn't even draw before they took up the class.

Just practice smart not hard, you are a hobbyist not a pro, and even then you can transition to be more serious about it later. If you are fine with not "making it" within a year then you are a-ok without these crazy schedules and similar shit that gets posted here. Drawing as a hobby is great, don't be too preoccupied with getting to the level of professionals immediately when you are just a hobbyist. You can still have fun, impress normies, draw nice pictures for your kids etc.

>>2439472
w-what

>>2439488
The contour of your painting. It's obvious that you didn't focus on that at all. It may have not been the goal of your practice but you should keep in mind to produce clean edges.

>>2439498
Oh fuck. Yeah I got it

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>>2438808

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>>2436950
>>2436998
I took a shot at it digitally (my first time using a tablet) and so far I'm really liking it. I was wondering if the perspective has improved and would like any other critique.

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Absolute beginner. Passable for first week?

>>2439926
very so.

>>2439534
You better be copying other artists if you're not drawing from life or ref, or else you're 100% fucked as far as learning to do anything.

>>2438597
if the body is mostly done just choose a warm colour like an orange and do a bounce light effect from the right, like max grecke does : ^)

>>2439926
Spark Meter : 25% spark

>>2439926
Here is (You)

Fucking attention whores

Beginner here. Most everything I draw ends up flat, no matter how hard I try. What resources will help me draw 3D structures better? Loomis is nice, but is still too advanced for me.

>>2439978
Basic construction, and probably life drawing. Loomis' FWAP, Blair's Cartoon Animation, anything covering perspective. But that's pretty vague, just show some art if you want real help with your issues.

>>2439984
Drawing from life also creates objects with a lack of volume. It seems I am fine with basic understanding of perspective, and as such, any rectangular figures (even drawn from life) work out just fine. As soon as I move onto different shapes, it becomes clear that they are flat. I'll attach a photo shortly.

>>2439926
impressive, hmm

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Grtvrwy5Sgw

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Absolute beginner here
Today was the first day I tried out drawing
Is it okay?

>>2440085
who are you lying to anon? interesting psychological effect here

>>2439552
The waves are too high on the boat for the pov to be able to see the boat over them. Therefor your mind says he's above the waves. It'd have to be either a calmer sea or he should be looking mostly upward with the boat much closer and at a more extreme angle.

Also, the waves look pretty cardboard in the digital painting. On paper, it's better but the perspective is more solidly standing on shore.

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I am a beginner, have been for about 2 months. I had never learnt about or tried digital painting before, but it seemed really intriguing. Some critique on the digital painting would be nice, but if its so autistic to the point where it cannot be critiqued, I'd also appreciate some critique on my drawing. Thanks /ic/

>>2440085
Anonymous boards are good for liars I guess, this sounds like more of "this is the first time I was satisfied with a drawing in a while"

>>2439934
what does that mean? I'm currently just doodling from imagination. And I'm learning a lot.

>>2440124
i believe you are missing the point

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how do i night colors

>>2440147
Think about how they make night scenes in movies. It's not literally dark they just add a filter to make things bluish in tone.

>>2440149
well is the comp/drawing okay at least? my last painting ended being a polished turd cause that stuff was bad.

>>2440150
I think the horizon is too high considering how much stuff you have there. Makes the upper part look crowded. It's the brightest spot in the picture which is why the eye is drawn there.

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>>2440153
is this better?

>>2440157
yes

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>>2439385
attempt 2

>>2440086
Are you an idiot? Maybe try looking a few posts further up?

drawing bone first before every thing?

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Huh...

Should I switch up the perspective? What am I doing wrong here? I feel like the scope is distorting the forns.

>>2440092
There is no point in learning painting at this point. You are just adding unnecessary complexity( color ) on top of what you need to learn. Just go through Keys to Drawing since it looks like you are still symbol drawing. And pay atention to your lines, they are very messy.

>>2440090
Okay, I'll just trash the waves because I wasn't liking them anyways. I completely agree with the cardboard thing, I was thinking of cheap plays the entire time when working on it but I was too scared to turn back.

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>>2439534

>>2439253
Then there's nobody left to give decent advice except for total beginners, which isn't really beneficial in the long run.

>>2440635
you can still comment. obviously.

Studied art for over 11 years when I was young and I haven't touch a pencil in almost 7 years, what can I do (guides, studies and lessons wise) to practice and to draw again?

I'm afraid I've lost my "talent, spark, whatever" forever

Repost here cause I'm a beginner now i guess

>>2440877
This kind of stuff bums me out. I hope you can salvage your skills, anon. This is my first day learning how to draw and I know whatever you can do is miles better than mine at least

>>2440882
Yeah bums me out even more, I was pushed away from drawing actually, pressured to make a career out of it I pussied out, now I'm regreting everyday of not drawing and don't know where to begin again

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>>2438056
Things didn't went as planedn I still want to color it. Hows the pose this time?

>>2438597
Can barely notice the tone changes
Neon green isn't very good for skin, unless it's a radioactive goblin, skin ain't gonna reflect that much light if it's green, that value is impossible

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>>2440218
if you don't want distortion avoid going outside of the cone of vision.

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Is it even worth to keep practicing on studying portraits at this point, or should I do that one exercise with the upside-down man so that I fully focus on correct measurements?

shit's discouraging bros

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>>2440996
...u srs?

>>2440889
The itch to draw won't go away even though you suck. That's what keeps me relaxed about pursuing my hobbies, cause I know that I'll keep doing it even if I suck and make no progress, so I might as well just have fun.

>>2440996
you didn't do the upside down picasso to start with?

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well, how can i do that hairy effect on the pic related, i don't know how to draw, and i'm doing it with mouse, some advice?

>>2441088
No. I was dumb and thought it was stupid. And now I realized I can't get basic angles and size relationships just to block in the overall drawing.

Do I make a bunch of those until I get it right? Can I do the same process with other upside down pictures after that one?

>>2441083
Oh, I didn't suck when I was drawing regularly tho, now I'm sure I'm rusty as fuck, but don't know how to start improving again

>>2441130
well, i don't find drawing fun because i suck.

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Rate my progress

>>2441187
very gud

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>>2441187
beaudiful :-DD

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>>2441128
>>2440996
As usual, I fucked up the overall angle of the entire figure by 10/15° or something, I always do this mistake, damn
As for everything else, I feel it's actually better than my usual, got lucky there. I'll post another one I'll do tomorrow, I expect it'll be much worse.
Good night for now

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How to kill yourself 101: do gestures.

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>>2441252

This one at least came out... eligible.

My first time doing gestures.

>>2441253
>>2441252
You're not doing gesture. Which is good, because you shouldn't be doing gesture. A drawing should always be built from gesture, but learning to draw sholdn't be. A lot of resources fail to make that clear.
You should be working on training your eyes and arm. Throwing abstraction inbetween the two is going to fuck you over. Gesture is an advanced concept and you need to have a proper foundation in technique to actually get any use out of practicing it.

(For what it's worth, I recognise every single one of the references you used so your drawings seem to be somewhat legible.)

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>>2436770
started last week...any critique?

could someone post a depth chart for artists? i guess this belongs here, in the beginner thread. . .

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I could use some feedback. What should I be working on to improve my portraits? Or art on general?

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>>2441336

Let's try that again. I will never understand why mobile refuses to upload vertical images properly.

>>2436957
Prepare

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlSgrFKwxDY

>>2441307
Nose looks broken. Eyes are messed up. Head anatomy is off.

>>2441307

Dont draw hairy men, as a beginner I suffer a lot from doing them because the hair generally fucks up the contour of the head

>>2441341
Try not drawing a portrait in a 3x3cm space

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i was doing this but realized i fucking hate the colors and dont want to start over

>>2441360

Now now, it's at least 12x12cm

How's your study routine?
>30 minutes of gesture drawing
>3hour for lumis
>1hour for anatomy
>And other croquis usually

>>2441380
yeah, that's the big problem when you're kinda new: the stuff you make isn't that great and it takes a long ass time to do. did you do colour thumbs before you did this? planning is very important, and doing a few tiny colour studies will save you a lot of time and tears in the long run

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>>2440147
if you're ever wondering "how do i paint this?" or something similar ("what colours do i use?" "what does a bridge look like?") then you should do some studies!! find reference! don't just go into it blind, all you'll be challenging is your memory. make well informed drawings.

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>>2441407
no i didnt i should try it out. i wanted to do yellow and purplish rocks (was using pic related as a ref for the yellow. i think what went wrong was i use the dark purple as a base and tried adding the yellow on top

>>2441307
enough with the scratchy lines and >>2441355
is correct as well.

Try your best to do as few lines as you can. Imagine your line and make a smooth trace instead of going over the same rough area 10 times.

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I tried drawing this for the Keys to Drawing midpoint exercise. I wanted to know if I had done anything glaringly wrong, although any advice at all be appreciated.

>>2441532
thicc

>>2441464
thumbnail looks like an abstract painting of a horses ass

>>2441595
i thought the same

Is it viable to avoid tone and value if it isn't what you want in your work? Or should I learn it anyway, even if I don't want to delve into rendering much in finished work?

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roast me

>>2441633
you're bad

>>2441634
I know
>you will never be born with asian dicipline and make good animus

I'm not gonna make a oc until i study all loomis part

>>2440228
Thank you for your critique. I will work on my lines as they are too scratchy, and go over keys to drawing again.

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Someone wanna put a word in about my construction? Something is off

>>2441655
the placement is alright except the ears
you're symbol drawing the lips

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>>2441345
fuck

>>2439934
somebody help me understand what this guy was saying.

>>2441633
you still did not improve ... and stop drawing animu

>>2441655
There is a depression between the cheekbone and the brow, at around the eye's height (dunno the name)

Your #2's eye placement is too close to the nose, or there's too much space towards the outer direction

The lips aren't wide enough

The nasion (i think it's called that anyway) is too narrow in all views except frontal

#2 and #3 have a very wildly different skull structure, #3 is very narrow with female jaw, #2 is a more round skull (too round, use a model of standard beauty to learn first) with a man jaw

I feel like in #3 the chin is too big, nose is too long, and in #2 every feature is placed a little too high up, because there's so much space from chin to mouth, but I'm not sure (beginner myself)

>>2441633
Those skirt wrinkles literally trigger me

>>2441715
I don't know how to get better
I guess I can try perfecting realism instead of 'just understanding it'
well whatever I'm doing is not fucking working

I'll definitely stop the animus though

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I should rework from the very top
this is worse than I thought

>>2441755
bottom I mean
start from the beginning

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>>2441755
blur your eyes and look at the major masses of light.
Background.
Study more anatomy.
Be careful of using distorted photos. If possible always try to look up wide angle shots (over 200mm)
Also another good source is to study master paintings.
add highlights last.

>>2441755

them salamis

>>2436770
sdf

I want to do illustration and concept art and I'm studying graphic design, am I in the right path?

>>2441805
I mean maybe, if you're just studying GD to be your lucrative shit while you study illustration on your own time. A good sense of design and visual rhetoric will come in handy, but the closest a lot of graphic designers seem to come to drawing anything is tracing a photo.

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Todays focus was to try and draw some more emotive poses
Hoooooboy do I see both problems and improvements
1 good thing is dont look completely flat, I like the sitting one, that came out great considering
The 2nd one sucks total SHIT
But something about the 3rd one bothers me, but also I kinda like it
I have a problem with making things to curvaceous

>>2441841
Ha.

You will never make it.

>>2441879
Such helpful and useful criticism

>>2441814
okay good. yeah, I'm doing the gd degree on the side as a boost, but also working on my art.

>>2441841
Change today's focus to not doing chickenscratch. Your lines are horrifying.

>>2441903
It is. Think of all the time you'll save just by giving up right now.

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Bit of a noob question, but how long should I keep doing exercises from art books? I usually draw for like 4 hours a day, 2 hours are exercises, 1 is real life study and the last hour is me just dicking around.

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I'm doing a dissection study. I planned to do the texture of a snail when using a reference but it fell apart so I started drawing snails from reference. Am I doing okay? I feel like every time I go to do detail, I end up with these irregular shapes, and that it is wrong. Is it wrong? (Reference used in 3 is the 2nd image after searching "snail" on bing)

>>2441380
Make it mossy, and maybe have water leak out of some rocks.

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>>2441986
Sorry I resized it

>>2441657
>>2441718
thank you!!

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Hey guys I drew a giant horsecock are you proud

>>2442162
Son I am devastate, that isn't even a proper horsedick
APPLY YOURSELF

>>2442177
NO DAD DON'T HIT ME PLEASE
(How is it not a proper horsedick tho'? I know it's stylized, but I'm focusing on basic guidelines and form)

Tips for drawing asian people? Do you just avoid drawing the eyelid and use a different eye shape?
>>2442179
It's ok I was just shitposting, but doesn't the vein continue even past the sheath "ring"?

>>2442181
Oh yeah, they do, oops.
And thanks senpai. I drew for a few months, quit for longer, and got back into it yesterday.
for some reason I feel I'm better than before.

>>2436770
Ok so i posted this thread
>>2442166
Tl;dr it doesn't look like the reference material can someone please explain why it doesn't look like the refrence

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Im still working with poses and anatomy and i need to start working more on details and body parts but are there any specific tutorials or things i should think about?

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>>2442210
Those boobs are gravity defying. Big tits have weight and heft to them, like soft bags of fat.

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>>2442210
They're like soft orbs laying against the torso.

>>2441380
There needs to be more of a sense of size for it to be a valley. Right now to me it just looked like a entrance to a cave. Like other anons have suggested, add elements that make it interesting to look at.

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>>2442210
Also, the pelvis/vagina area looks really fucking weird. Use Reference.

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>>2442210
flipper feet...

>>2441969

As long as it takes you to understand and internalize the subject matter the exercise is trying to teach.
Identify what it's trying to tell you, and once you know you can do that, you move onto something else.
You shouldn't really reach a point where you never pick up an art book again, though.

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>>2442219
I think i need to work more with references in general. i have mostly been doing my own thing.

>>2442220
And yeah i know, trust me i do. Im not in a big rush to work on those though, i think i have more fundamental problems. Still its on my to do list

I think im making some progress in general though, pic related is 2015-2016.

>>2442202
Can someone please help

>>2442235

Because you're still shit at drawing, were you expecting to be able to masterfully copy your ref right away?
You get better by continuing to practice, you need to hone your ability to observe. For example, your reference is looking slightly to his right when you drew him head on (you even haphazardly drew both ears despite one ear clearly not being visible).

If you're changing your reference and drawing things you can't even see of course it's not going to look like your fucking ref.

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Any infographs on rendering? Or videos or anything? I'm doing a portrait for a class and the teacher fucking jumps us from light and shade, to portrait drawings.

>Here's something to grab attention

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took me ~40 min.
Honestly better than I expected, thought I wouldn't be able to make anything that looks like the pic.

So I do most my studies from photos or life, but I've heard from a few people that studying master paintings is a great way to learn.
Are there any painters/paintings in particular that are good to study from? I know a lot of this comes down to personal preferences but what are the ol' reliables?

>>2442245
if you're painting in oils this method helped me

http://willkempartschool.com/how-to-paint-a-portrait-in-oil/

>>2442248
Doing master studies of Kodyboy555's work is how I became good.

>>2442239
I really didn't expect to be exact, (i said my fucking question wrong) for about 4 days I attempted at this ref and for the majority of the outcome it came out wrong, or stiff, so I decided to switch my side and this is the one that kind of looks like the refrence
At this point I'm assuming I don't know how to draw large body types or the head is missing something

>>2442248
Sargent, Zorn, Leyendecker, Velasquez are a few staples. Otherwise study work you enjoy and admire. Doing a master study is a little like reverse engineering.

>>2442261
Thanks, but it's in pencil. Will give this a look through though.

>>2441986
>>2442144
Could someone look at this for me?

>>2442279
Why in pen? Is it for a study, or actual work. As actual work you shouldn't ever start in pen unless you are very confident. Also, wht's hoding you back, don't be afraid. If you mess up, then next time you'll remember and do better!

>>2442352
Thank you for responding!
It is for study. I do work in pen for almost all studies due to my past of scratchy lines as well as loose unfocused lines (followed by erasing everything extra).
I believe a lot of the time I can SEE that something's wrong, but I can't pinpoint what it is or how to fix it. So I end up sitting there puzzled, trying not to form more bad habits. Thank you for the encouragement!

Should I start with Loomis or Scott's Robertson's How to Draw?

>>2442395
Yes

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Do I have to learn Loomis and classical figure drawing to draw like this?

My friends told me to get Loomis if I want to draw anime.

I want to start drawing anime.

>>2442359
Not the anon you replied to. First of all you need to be bolder and more confident with your lines, at least a little, the drawing is shaky and you are imprecise. You seem to understand forms and stuff, but idk how to explain it, you kinda trace stuff you see instead of trying to capture the look which is mainly seen in the texture the bottom left seems to be going in a better direction with this tho. I'm not sure if I worded that correctly. I recommend instead of the felt tip that you use just buy a cheap black BIC pen, you can get line weight variations with that sort of like with a pencil which lets you make light construction lines that won't be very visible and it makes it easier to draw more subtle stuff like some textures. It's sill indelible which is good for practice. However, next time either post a more evenly finished drawings, it's hard to say where you just didn't finish yet and where you left stuff blank on purpose.

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>>2442428
Yes.

But jesus christ those eyes are so wide apart you could park a truck in-between them.

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>>2442454
oh shit that's not very well written, I'm so fucking tired that I can't words anymore. I hope you'll understand what I meant.

>>2442404
?

>>2442462
What can you not understand about "yes"?

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Just how long would reading Sticky book take
I did like 2 of them in like a day, but I kinda skimmed over them so Im not sure if I really learnt anything?

>>2442481
lol those books aren't easy. How much information have you absorbed? Do the exercises in these books to find out how much you've learnt. If you can't do these exercises properly it means that you haven't learn anything. Skimming them over is basically wasting your time, you'd better take it slow and memorize everything.

>>2442481
M8 you did something wrong, the only easy book there is Perspective made easy which you can get through within a day even with exercises. But Loomis should take you a fucking while, however, it's good to skim over books before actually reading them through, it gives you perspective on what lies ahead in the book. I still read through parts of Loomis books over again and I always use it for reference so you could be reading that shit for years m8. Do excercises, copy some stuff that's harder for you to understand to get a feel for it, then apply what you learn to your own drawings. Rinse and repeat, don't hesitate go back when you're having trouble with some part of a drawing, I still do that.

>>2442481

Apply the knowledge.

The point of the book isn't to flip from front to back, check the box and then move on. It's to learn what the author is telling you and learn how to apply it. Lots of them have exercises, do them.
It's easy to go "yeah I get it" but you don't know until you try. It'll surprise you what simple-looking shit you'll manage to fuck up starting out.

I can draw figures when I draw in my sketchbook and keep them in proportion and even do some more detailed anatomy already. But when I go to life drawing class, I can't do the proportions right on the big paper it's really hard for me to make it right when it's big. How fix?

>>2440996

all of these are way off except the second, which is still very off

>>2442533

Practice. Most of it is probably just a shift in muscle memory, especially if you're doing something like drawing with your shoulder on the big paper and your wrist/elbow in the sketchbook. You probably just need to train yourself to draw bigger, if you're confident your knowledge is there.

If you can, get some big paper for your home and practice drawing bigger in your spare time.

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I might be delusional, but with all the meme spraying of the man "loomis" that everyone talks about, I rarely see the joke and sadly never see the literature posted here besides a few tutorial sketched here and there. Would anyone be nice enough to provide a link to compilation of his books? Pic not related.

>>2442657
its like u dont know what stickies are

>>2442657
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=loomis+pdf+download

>>2442454
>>2442459

Haha thank you for the reply. I did have to re-read it 3 times, but I think I'm understanding.
I would like to be more bold and confident with my lines, but using pen is the only way I know how to force myself into combating this. I do hate SO much how imprecise/shaky my lines can be. When I move swiftly, my lines feel more organic but less precise. When I move slower, I become more precise and more shaky. I suppose practice is truly the only way to fix this, so I continue without specific line confidence exercises.

When you spoke of texture, it is my understanding that you meant I am creating tiny symbols of what I see, instead of the harmony of the piece. I'm not entirely sure how to fix this... at all. Advice?

When you see blank areas, it is my practice of trying to extract texture, while not rendering the ENTIRE thing. I love artist's renditions that encapsulate the important bits of a life study and translates in my mind, and I'm trying to learn this skill.

Unfortunately, when using bic pens, I suffer from the same consequence of using pencil :(. I end up with a bunch of lines that you can hardly see, followed by some unsure lines between them all.

Btw, I'm not trying to be difficult. I'm just explaining why I did what I did, and expecting feedback/criticisms on my thoughts and processes.

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fuck, help me. I'm still at that high school level.

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>>2442657
i got u family

mega:///#F!es1BSKQR!spODyd0iaQmMelGA2GscFw

>>2442481
you don't just read the book, you draw the stuff in it and do the exercises lol

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new thread where

i dont' feel qualified enough to start it

>>2442730
>>2442730
>>2442730
>>2442730
new thread m8's

>>2442659
>>2442661
Useless shitposters
>>2442695
Thanks, man, really appreciate it.

>>2442162
I RECOGNIZE THAT HORSEDICK TUTORIAL

>>2443052
your mother must be so proud

>>2444643
Not as proud as the anon who actually draws horsedicks' mother is though.

[spoiler]memes[/spoiler]