Draw Thread

>>2279827
What the fuck man, there's no need to make a new thread until the old one gets lower. It won't bump but it's going to be there for fucking ever, it's still usable. Christ, there are 4 drawthreads open right now.

>>2279840
I'd like to wait until those threads were on page 10 before making a new one myself, but there are others that are convinced that a new thread is needed as soon as the old one reaches bump limit. Better I make the thread than they.

>>2279844
Well, at least you did it right, and hopefully nobody will argue about he-who-trips. Still man, this is an insane development in the conducting of these threads.

>>2279827
>draw thread in the subject field
Good job.

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>>2279827
Finished it now, tried another technique.
I was motivated by a description of a d&d character..
Request critiques

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A few threads ago, I was asking for suggestions and someone said Malthael. I put it off a while because I couldn't think of a good approach. He has no face, and not much color to speak of, so I didn't know what to do with it and I'm sorry if this looks pretty uninspired but I'm starting to get into it now. Just wanted to let you know I didn't ignore you or anything.

>>2279869
He looks like a potato.

>>2279863
Yah, I'm not happy about it either, but maybe if I and other anons keep hold of the reigns he'll take the hint.

>>2279865
Had to get it right sooner or later, and I'm sorry I botched up the last one.

>>2279885
I wanted to suggest that we kind of band together and if a thread is started by that-one-tripper that we all just quietly make a different one and use that. I never thought I'd be one of the people against him but it seriously fucks up the whole first half of the thread every time, and we've been burning through these threads faster than ever.

>>2279879
because of the color, or an extra chromosome?

>>2279869
beginner thread pls

>>2279892
Possiably the extra chromosome, but the actual color? I can see your going for dirt but Ya gotta center it in some places, and some more contrast from darker and lighter areas of dirt, because currently it looks like one pick smudge, or a potato. I'd also suggest to defund the nose, lips, brow, and cheeks better he currently looks smooth and dirty, like a potato, unlike rough rigid and dirty like a barbarian. Just try to define the face features then report back for further instructions.

>>2279906
Damn cellular technology and its ass auto correct. Just mainly that last sentence is what you need to do because his looking like a potato Voldamort with hair.

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>>2279906
thanks, very clear instructions.

>>2279911
armor looks like from guild wars

>>2279869
>>2279911
>>2279918
You're shooping over GW2 screencaps, aren't you?

>>2279911
Good start, finish it now.

>>2279911
Are you that same guy that drew the owl archer

lol what the fuck have you done to my sketches

>>2279869
>>2279911
There is a thread for beginners btw

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>>2279928
>beginners

doesn;t look like it, seems to be on the same lvl as you guys...

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/.\

>>2279920
>>2279911
i did in pic related...
just started drawing with a tablet.
i should stick to beginner threads,,,

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Does these angles look like the same character?

>>2279936
You should stick to killing yourself.

>>2279935
As much as I love the contrast in shapes, I always wonder how things like this can stand.

>>2279942
Yes but the nose in the front angle looks a little too low to me.

>>2279922
nope

>>2279942
is it possible you simply lack aesthetic sense? It seems as though you should get it by now.

>>2279932
thanks for cheering me up, m8!
but im still praciticing the basics.

>>2279942

I agree with >>2279952

Draw them in orthographic view to get a stronger grip on likeness.

Could you please come by the beginner thread and give us feedback?

>>2279942
Yes, definitely

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>>2279959
>still praciticing the basics.

arent' we all?

>>2279936
Nah fuck them, a draw thread is a draw thread. Good on you for making art and posting it.

I'll comment on this one. >>2279911

You aren't quite ready to convince us for this caliber of illustration. However brownie points for doing it anyway! Don't stop just cause it's above your skill level. Actually it's good that you made this. This image highlights the many things you can start working on. Particularly 3d forms. The image looks overall flat. I'd say you're faking the funk a bit with gradients and "pillow shading" and your use of colors are not working, they don't fit the environment. It might be ok if this was just a concept art for the modeler to work on. But as a stand alone illustration, no go. There is no clear light source.

When you study and practice, don't bother with coloring or shading complex things like this. Set this image aside and work on drawing body parts or 3d objects. Think of the 3 dimensions of physical space, x y z. You have to go through this until it makes sense.

Material/texture/backgrounds/color. Save that for another time, your homework is to make boxes and spheres. Feel free to reject my input, I honestly use these critiques to help determine what to practice for the day.

>>2279942
I think her chin is a bit more prounounced in the second one, but beyond that, yah, looks consistent to me. Nice to see you working on less stylized stuff, this is pretty solid.

>>2279994
Thanks alot! appreciated
im just starting to practice again and continue to do so

>>2280052
They better hurry up and clean off that cherry pie filling before it stains the wicker.

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scotch sketch

>>2279968

every thread is a beginner thread desu. i don't really get the split between drawthread and beginner thread.

>>2279869
Learn how to draw, learn about simple shapes and how they can be used to create more complex drawings, and then study anatomy, gestures, then values, and you will be starting to get into painting from there. Stop trying to take shortcuts, you aren't fooling anyone in this board.

>>2279994
Nice job encouraging this guy to keep tracing screenshots.

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>>2280058
yeah gotta be careful with blood, if you add too many highlights it looks too thick. needs to be thicker than water and thinner than syrup, while still congealing and getting darker, and flaking where it dries.

hows this

>>2280088
Better, though I'd tone down those drips a bit. Blood is too thin to ooze into big droplets like that.

>>2280101
ill see if i can do anything about that. i wont post it again today dont wanna poop up the draw thread

>>2279994
Liberal arts minded shithead

go fucking kill yourself pls, or take all the retards under your wing and fly off to some isolated island I can nuke

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A study for a base relief, maybe wood or bronze still not sure.

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boring af

>>2280232

best image so far

>>2280232
Don't put it in dead center, make the crib/boat smaller, show more of where it is located. Put something interesting into the boat.

>>2280243

w-what, are you serious? i feel like shooting myself in the face when i look at it. except for the dudes in the back, those are neat.

>>2280249

It's cropped out to show the boat thing, the whole image is much larger. But yeah will put something interesting in the boat. Was thinking dead mermaids to add an element of fantasy and having a tail falling down the side with the light shimmering on the scale could love pretty sweet.

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>>2280232
whenever you do a landscape make sure you add a small guy in the extreme foreground with a flowy red scarf, either leaning on a stick, or holding a sword, or riding a horse. that way the viewer can really get an idea of how colossal the landscape is. it just doesn't read as huge as you want it to right now without that.

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Relaxing by drawing relaxed subject matter :) Pencil sketch with values in photoshop.

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>>2280232
The position of that thing jutting out from the front of the boat looks off to me. Quick redline to show you what I mean.

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sigh

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idk

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>>2280255
I'll keep that in mind man. That's a pretty stiff looking dude though.

>>2280265
Bugs me too but I can't get it right. I constructed it in perspective accurately with my copy of 'how to draw' next to me and all. I think it's just the form of the side not properly describing the perspective. I'll probe paint that thing back and forth a million times anyway until mid 2017 or so.

>>2280264

This is really cool. Is 'Socker' finnish? Would love to see you color this. Or if I were you I would actually try tracing it onto thick paper somehow and paint it with trad media.

>>2280284
Love the dude on the left. Reminds me a bit of Dan Chavez' stuff. There's something weird going on with his left trap though. Or not... I think it's not wrong per se it just looks a bit unfortunate

>>2280288
>dat filename
I feel ya, son. I just wasted hours struggling on a sketch that should've been simple as fuck. I'm almost 30. I ain't gonna make it.

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>>2280291
Thanks :) "Socker" is Swedish for "sugar". And yeah I'm planning to paint it out with watercolors as just a nice personal piece. And also experiment with animating the rain digitally, to get some subtle animation going on in my watercolor-centric portfolio.

>>2280288
"i-fucking-hate-this-industry.jpg" lol
is it the concept art industry you hate? I feel you. If the fast pace and "anything goes"-mentality doesn't satisfy you, then pursue illustration. Illustrations for sci-fi and fantasy novels etc.

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I need something to draw. Was drawing a lot of League stuff but I'm burnt out on that.

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>>2280232

>>2280264
Did someone broke her nose or something?

>>2280264
>tumblr nose
fuck off

>>2279958
Is it possible that you're a giant jelly faggot?

>>2280331
It's clear you're somewhat new, but I like where you're going.

>>2279876
lmfao, he has no neck

>>2280332
everytime someone bashes on firez, there is always this one faggot anon that calls the basher a jelly faggot. I think we know who this "anon" is, Firez.

>>2280074
>Nice job encouraging this guy to keep tracing screenshots.

Oh wow so my eyes didn't deceive me. I thought I detected some of that. But you know what? I don't think I care about tracing. His problems are still highlighted right in the image. Now he can work on transitioning away from tracing.

>>2280152
I like to coddle once in a while.

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>>2279827

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Rendering in the first one, thanks for all the notes you gave me in the previous thread, I wont be going into too much detail with these, thinking 1-2 done in a day.

>>2280350
wow coolio i like what youve done here. I'm not crazy about the knife thing. But that's my own opinion, you do whatever you like :)

I'd love to see it rendered, but then again the way it looks now is pretty cool too.

>>2280255
Kek

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be honest with me - is the ass too fat?

>>2280356
the image certainly is

and yeah i think the ass is a bit big

>>2280255

hahahahahahaha... The red scarf is really a trend.

>>2280350
how to use colors like that

>>2280390
I choose the color scheme before hand, picking up complimentary colors and something to contrast the rest (but nothing with too much contrast) lightly wash the areas the main lightsource hits with color dodge blending mode, using a mid tone of the color of the lightsource (be careful not to overuse). For the shadows in I chose a warm dark red as opposed to the cold red color coming from the lightsource, shadows closer to lightsource more vibrant and darker and further away lighter and less vibrant.

Also i would suggest using gamma color blending in your photoshop: Edit > Color Settings > More Options > Blend RBG colors using gamma <-- put 1.00 as variable
This makes color blending results less muddy, some may not like this but definitely worth the try. I might make a tutorial about colors when I feel comfortable and good enough with them myself.

>>2280352
Thanks, the idea for the blade is to be some sort of a sacrificial blade, need to take another look at the design

>>2280350
very flat and the face is a cluster of symbols

>>2280331
>>2280318
>>2280309
>>2280275
>>2280264
>>2280232
>>2280165
>>2280061
>>2279942
>>2279911
>>2279869
>>2279876

flat objects and or lack form in some way

>>2280284
you have some good forms on some of those, but the one on the top right has a few contour lines namely on the back.
>>2279935
really not worth critiquing, if its just a flat(no attempt in defining shapes) drawing

>>2280356

Is it a dude? Yes. Is it a woman? No.

Rule of thumb I'd say

>>2280462
Implying its finished.

>>2280472
implying that no one here uploads finished works

>>2280473
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UI9t19V6fu8

>>2280462
Meaningless Criticism 101.

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haven't drawn in a long time and not sure what im really doing

>>2280475
>>2280474
you shouldn't get mad for recieving criticism on areas you obviously lack skill. No excuses even if just a drawing that you probably wont even finish.

also im just now realizing how the the entire drawing is acutally just fucking flat, lol.

>>2280476
lol

>>2280479
It's like you've never heard of a flats layer. This place can offer great feedback sometimes but you're the kind of person to watch out for, the kind of person who'd crit someone else's edit like "use less transform/warp tool" because you didn't even bother to read the comment next to it. Horrible.

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>>2280479
you really think it was me posting those? ppl who know me would never claim i cant take critique. stay classy /ic/

>>2280264
this nose makes me want to kill you, why would you ever draw something like this, fucking tumblr style is a mental illnes.

>>2280489
>>2280486
i would give you a reasonable answer to justify why its flat, but im going to do us a favor of saving our time and going back to drawing.

also i am a aware of that process of filling in with tone layers used as flats, but thats still no excuse.

>>2280489
Her feet don't sit well on the ground plane and look like they are in different perspectives. Her knife arm isn't foreshortened that well either. Maybe take a photo of yourself in that pose to get a better idea of those things. She probably should have a sheath for the knife too.

>>2280489
was better before, something got lost in your process

>>2280496
gotcha thanks, ill fix the feet and the arm
>>2280495
could you point out where i made excuses? the part where i said its unfinished?
>>2280497
It happens to me often when i get lost into the painting, ill see if i can do something about it

>>2280498

>was better before, something got lost in your process

Maybe the purple highlight is too strong? I kinda feel it too, but I'm not so sure about what it is.

About the feet I agree, but I'm not so sure about arms. For a character presentation standpoint maybe it's better that it's not much foreshortened?


Also, don't feed the shitposters who gives useless critiques and don't like that you won't listen to it.

>>2280504
>Also, don't feed the shitposters who gives useless critiques and don't like that you won't listen to it.
Yeah, sorry about it, I just enjoy the drama just a bit too much. Ill tone down the purple a bit

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>>2279827
pls respond

>>2280495
Generally when a picture is started, it lacks things that a finished picture would have, because it isn't finished yet. Form is often one of these missing things, because the picture may start out as just a gesture or a block in, and for some people it's easier lay in a vague idea of where they want everything to go before they start defining shapes and lighting. Something you should also be aware of is the fact that there's a difference between the kind of symbol drawing a beginner does and abstracting form for stylization. By the way I know the "only op would defend op" meme is strong these days, but you keep replying to us as if I was him but I'm very much my own person and resent being lumped in with another being, I deserve my own space thank you very much.

>>2280468

wrong

man ass = best ass

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>>2280467
yeah that one rlly did come out pretty flat

>>2280489
I'm not any of those guys. But [A] don't post every stage of the drawing process. [B]These contributors you're replying to are absolutely useless. I do agree with the ground/feet planting one somewhat. I do see that her upper torso and legs are in odd positions, forcing you to plant the feet awkwardly. But the rest of these guys crits are trash. Just finish the image when you

Some of these posts are embarrassing garbage. You're trying to be tough/blunt but failing at solid crits. You want to be the asshole more than you like putting effort into these. That's why I tell the artist he should step away from here for a bit. And don't post each stage on here.

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How's the setup here so far? Anatomy, proportions, gesture, anything?

Secondly, just for future thought, I feel like I've been struggling a lot more than usual lately and should brush up on anatomy. Should I try for life drawing or would something like Proko or Posemaniacs be effective?

>>2280637
Bad,Bad,Bad,Bad

Draw more and youll get better tho. Proko is good

>>2279942
How long until you become the next sakimichan, FiRez? I can hardly wait.

>>2280133
I love that giant ass chair, I wish I had one like that

>>2280467
You just went full retard

>>2280654
Could you possibly elaborate on what's bad about this one?
And thanks for the recommendation, I'll look into Proko.

>>2280255
Yeah but where's the alien ball? If you give advice please do it properly.

>>2280559
what

>>2280745
Nice effort getting propotions and rendering to look realistic. What is bothering me the most is that the references you are using have different light sources so it wont look coherent as a group portait. But maybe you were going for the collage look, it doesn't matter as much then.

>>2280637
You should try drawing the hole body with attempt at body anatomy before asking for a critique on gesture, proportions and anatomy. Besides the fact that it looks like you referenced an actionman doll it looks like you have a decent idea of the volumes of the body, except the shoulders.

>>2280477
Try to go darker in the foreground, the value range limits the use of darks there, and it would really help to make it pop..

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which of these would you move forward with?

why?

>>2280783
>which of these would you move forward with?
Neither
>why?
The poses have bad gesture and use of shape. I would do more thumbnails before thinking of moving to a final render.

>>2280477
Thumbnail is looking really good. Also what the other anon said

>>2280772
Alrighty, I'll do some more cleanup on it and possibly ask for something else. I mainly just wanted to see if anything was looking off before I attempted to finish it, once it's done I'm not sure I'm going to want feedback on it still. Thanks though, anon.

>>2280800
Well I can say that the pectorals are a bit overdimensioned, but if you like them that way its fine.

>>2280489
Are you using a ref for the face man? I feel like I recognise the small mouth and upturned nose from a cosplayer or something. Has a bit of a bitchy looking face but if that's what you're going for then fair enough. Also not sure on what's happening with the feet, the leg on our left seems longer, but another anon already pointed that out.

Good to see you posting again either way.

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>>2280802
Does that mean like overly defined? I'm trying to lead up towards him wearing this puffy vest thing and I think it's sorta creating a disparity between structural lines for his anatomy and lay in lines for the clothes.

>>2280805
What I meant was the they are very large, but definition goes with the overdimension of muscles as well. Doesn't mean its unrealistic, just not as common in people that dont body build, I think, im by no means an expert anatomist, i can only reference my own meakly body. btw If you are intrested, you should look in to how the pectorals introlock with the the arms. Right now they are kinda deattached from the arms and don't stretch with the arm that is pulling uppwards. But these are just details.

And if I understod your last sentence right you oughta draw clothes untop of the structural lines of the gesture, but nor necessarly the anatomy if that is not somthing that will show through.

>>2280783
I like the one to the left the most. Got the best color and design imo.

>>2280813
Ah okay, gotcha. I've pulled up some reference for the shoulder/pec connection like you mentioned, I'm going to study these and see if I can get that to look better, it's been a problem area for me for a good while. Thanks for helping me catch things like that, when you stare at something so long it gets hard to see it objectively. I'll post the results later, possibly before I finish it fully depending on how it goes.

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Working on a character designs as fanart for a podcast. This is supposed to be a mecha pilot plugsuit. The character is an exiled prince from a declining empire that vaguely resembles ancient Greece. He served in the empire's military medical corps in a war that ended a decade ago, but now works as a mecha pilot for a small, tight-nit group of mercenaries.

Any design tips would be helpful! I would like the suit to feel more sci-fi than it does right now.

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>>2280462
>SQUACK
>SYMBOL DRAWING
>SQUACK
>LOOMIS
>SQUACK
>POLLY WANT CRACKER

>>2280881
You're gonna want to fix the proportions on the right, his arms are long, his legs are short and his torso looks pretty elongated as well. Kinda looks like how a gorilla or chimp standing upright would be proportioned. Also not feeling that red, might want to try either a more vibrant or deeper hue, something closer to blood red or crimson.

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It starts looking so sausagy if I stick to perfect perspective

>>2280881
Posture is odd and unheroic. looks more like a hooker

i like the behind & leg area though

>>2280916
Then make her look like a sausage!

>>2280350
so what is this character for? just curious. there doesn't seem to be anything particularly "warlocky" about her. I think "Magic" and "evil" but I don't associate the word Warlock with this. Maybe try to be more literal with the words War and Lock? Or is this design for a grander scene that makes her design make sense.

if not you should really try to nail down the specificity of a given concept and a deft clever approach to the subject matter before you start getting carried away with clothing and accessoriez.

>>2280928
He's doing a series of the fantasy character archetypes for his portfolio. He explains what he's going for here: >>2279340

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>>2280912
Thank you for pointing out the proportions. Also Here is a deeper, less bricky red.
>>2280881
Do you have any suggestions for how I could make the posture more heroic? Thank you for the feedback!

>>2280783
left has a cool pose and colors. I would wear as a tshirt desu senpai

>>2280424
Thanks, I'm not using photoshop so can't switch the blending but it should be no problem to manually blend stuff. The hardest part for me is picking the palette and sticking with it. I'm not sure how to blend the colors on the palette properly to darker/brighter desaturated/saturated. Thanks anyhow, will be looking forward to a tutorial if you get around to doing one

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398 min, i think the cast shadow on the right is accurate now (but you can't see it well because of how i took this pic). Going back to the left-side envelope line tomorrow for the nth time.

>>2280958

what am i looking at?

>>2280958
Lmao

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>>2280942
>Also Here is a deeper, less bricky red
Nice, I do like that more, though if you have the colors on different layers I'd recommend playing with the color scheme a bit more, or moving some of the colors around a bit. Also right now I think you have either too much or too little of the white, threw together (pic related) as a suggestion of how you might balance it. Hope that helps.

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>>2279952
>>2280001
>>2279965
>>2279982
>>2280673
Thanks for the feedback and support guys, I tried to expanding on this character but alas I neglected drawing my own genre (and bodies in general) for way too long :>

>>2280975
Oh wow, that's supposed to be a male character? The head definitely looks female.
>>2280981
Good thing you changed the filename to reflect that.

>>2280981
Is that the guy from The Seven Deadly Sins?

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Should I stop?
I have to turn something in tomorrow for critique.... I don't know what to do

>>2280981
SAME FUCKING FACE

>>2281039
...they're all supposed to be turnarounds of the same person.

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I've still got a ways to go.

>>2280959
Sight-size cast drawing. Its really tedious but I swear it has helped me with observing proportion correctly.

>>2280961
You're goddamn right. I've spent like 70 min on the left+bottom lines alone.

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>>2281041
>>2281039
KEK

>>2280958
>>2281109
The whole point of sight-size is that it makes a side-by-side comparison very easy to do and therefore it is easy to critique as well. But then you go and post a photo that has them different sizes, angled differently, and the cast is cut off by the edge of the photo.

Anyways, your lighting set up looks pretty shit. For a beginner exercise like this you might want to get a stronger light source so the lights and shadows are more separated and easier to see.

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Okay, I had to go take care of some stuff today but I'm back to working on this. I've made some adjustments to the body and put in some work on the head and face. I'm really happy with how the face is coming out, I think it's probably the best I've ever done with capturing Snake's likeness.
Anyway, how's it looking now?

>>2280981
I honestly thought the character was female. He definitely needs the body to read as male. Having the hair tucked behind the ear also helped.

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I hate everything I do lately.

>>2281227
Maybe try to think a bit more about what you are painting. You have a samurai with white facial features and a weird veil thing that makes no sense and he's holding...a stick...and standing on a blank background. Like it feels like a random assortment of things tossed together and not a cohesive idea and painting.

Then the execution of it is also weak. His anatomy is super wonky, his facial planes are messed up, you are trying to do that low contrast thing on the face by getting rid of dark accents, but you lack a reason for it. The composition isn't that interesting and you shouldn't even be worrying about a border at this stage.

>>2281227
because video games are a shit career path and you still like to pretend it's like it was in the 90s and early 00s and not a mobile game candy crush hellscape

stop making fake concept art /ic/ you fucking idiots

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>>2281208

Can I get some help or advice please?

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Any pointers on any of these would be super great!

>>2281245

how is that concept art

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>>2281178
Okay not to spam but this is where I'm leaving it for the night. I just want to make sure things are as accurate as possible before going all in on this.

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what book or videotutorial do you guys recommend for learning rendering? I've done a couple of drawings attempting to do it but honestly I barely know what I'm doing.

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I have spent maybe two hours redrawing this over and over again.
Each time I flip it, and each time it looks so lopsided, but after 10 seconds it looks normal again. I don't know how to fix it, the fact that it keeps escpaing me feels like I am losing my mind. have not slept.
where is it off? other than all over?

>>2281247
try adding more contrast. make the area below his helmet your darkest area, make it nearly pure black. reflection lines are pleasing, black and white reflections that extend across the form of the armor almost like contour lines. The form looks nice so far, finish it up. I like the embossed design.

>>2281262

Thanks for motivating me to keep going with it. I'll try to implement more reflections/contrast.

She's looking really large in the upper body, maybe tone down her shoulder mass especially in the traps.

>>2281262
dude stop wasting your time, go study figure drawing fundamentals before you try to jump into painting.

>>2281266
What's it like in the year 201a?

>>2281266
If this is real you got worse.

>>2281270
It's just an anon reposting it from the cringe thread.

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>>2281268
but help its due tommorrow.
>>2281267
No prob, keep at it dude.
Okay thank you, I will try to fix that.

>>2281280
Reduce contrast on her face and parts of her arm because she looks almost metallic now.
Also, get references that has the same lighting setup you're looking for, convert it to b/w and proceed from there.

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halfway done still trying to finish just takes too long sometimes.

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>>2280682
lol, me too

>>2281330
I think his neck is way too long, unless that's intentional.

>>2281328
Firez????

>>2281328
sort of looks like elle, but not quite senpai

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How do you indicate the texture of fabric? Do I just make it a dull surface?

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>>2281227
what brush set was used on his clothing

>>2281348
huh, I didn't even notice that, I guess maybe I should flip it next time.

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>>2281351
no.

>>2281365
what looks off?

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Can I get some feedback/advice on this pic?

>>2281432
Do you have parkinsons?

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Hey /ic/, would love some feedback on this, specially about the arms & hands

>>2281442
hand is awful
why is she surprised of the levitation SHE is causing?
also if you are going for that gradient cell shading you can do it much simpler
make sure your background style matches the character
i only like the rocks so far

>>2281456
Waist too thin, also persfepctive on the bow seems off

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>>2281252
These are pretty nice. I think though that they are rather stiff and lifeless at the moment.

Basically I feel that you are relying too much on 2d observation and a mechanical breakdown into straight lines. While you can still do this approach you should also in my opinion be thinking of hte volumes and the gesture and flow of the poses at the same time.

I did some drawovers to hopefully show this. Mostly they are rather minor changes, but those minor things are important. There are a few small proportion errors in your drawings and some things that need to be downplayed or simplified more, while others need more emphasis. Sorry that the linework and hatching is so sloppy, I never got the hang of digital for drawing. Hope it helps!

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halp pls

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>>2281427

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>>2281520
You've made her very pink. Typically skin will have more yellow in it and be slightly less saturated.

I also think you can pay more attention to proportions. Don't be afraid to go darker in the shadows either.

>>2281026
This is terrible anon. It's all muddy, the features on the face are all crooked, the values too dark. You have to go back and study faces, planes of the face, values, then try to block in paint with a hard brush.
Are you using the blur tool to blend paint? Don't do it, it looks awful.

I'd say throw this away and start again, but if you really need to turn this in, as a short term solution I would say align the eyes, and align the mouth with the nose (how the hell can you make this mistake?) then put in white on the lightest places.

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some black line sculpture studies.

>>2281522

Neck, shoulders and trapezius areas are fucky, you have this neat face but then it just goes over into an amateuristic mess. Id do an overpaint but wont be home until forever.

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I need to stick to refs from now on :/

>>2281257
Anyone before I move on with this? I feel like maybe something with the arms still?

>>2281576
Stand in front of a mirror yourself in the pose and you should see the errors pretty quickly.

>>2281577
I guess that helped a little, at least I have a good idea of how to position the hands. If there's anything else off it's not coming across to me from that. I think I see a few areas to tweak anyway so I'll just go by my own judgement and finish it up. Will probably post results later.

>>2281432
AHAH HOLY SHIT, WOW! HOW CAN SOMEONE FUCK UP SO BAD.

>>2281552
Nice, anon!. youre soo good, you dont need silly refs! anon, youre doing an awesome job! How did you did this from memory???

is that the kind of response you were expecting?

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>>2281522
The left eye is off, not enough blacks body is off a bit too...

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>>2279827

pls r8 famm.

>>2281664
>>2281666
Samefag has bad day, comes to /ic/ to shit on people. Good job.

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>>2281669

Here it is smaller because my phone is gay.

>>2281670
theyre shit posting, im shit posting, youre shit posting. Go back to drawing kid.

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trying to colour from greyscale.

>>2281546
if you're talking about the rendering then i see what you mean, but in terms of silhouette her neck and shoulders actually look like that.

>>2281667
her left eye or the eye on the viewer's left?

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how is the anatomy/perspective on this?

>>2281697
her right, my left maybe if you flip it you can see it.

>>2281717
All of it is very wrong anon. Are you using any kind of reference?

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>>2281731
this is what im using as reference.

>>2281732
Well normally I'd talk about doing more constructing but just going off this I don't think that'd do it. I'd say work more on very carefully observing what you actually see in the photo and comparing your drawing to it. I'm not at home right now to help with this but look up some instructions observational drawing.

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Got this more or less done just now.

>>2281666
you need some irl love be4 browsing /ic/

>>2281746
I like Hedonist and his pussy hemorrhoids. Nark looks kind of unbalanced. I'd play some more with the leg design/positioning.

>>2281804
Maybe adding a tail or sorts would help the unbalance?

The idea I have with it is that it is basically a flying little torso, with just a head, a pair of hands (that work as legs for it) and the hump with wings on it.

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>>2281804
>>2281809
Does this look better?

>>2281328
post ref

>>2279869
1.Muddy
2.Pillow lighting
3.Needs rendering work
4. Drawing needs to be polished. Look up references

Other than that it's "ok". Work in your rendering and you'll get there.

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What are the main things I should fix for next time (other than the subject matter)?

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>>2281833
I do like that better yeah. If it's supposed to look like just a torso then maybe the tail could be stuff that looks like entrails.

>>2281886
ew

>>2281890
That's a pretty good idea.
I'm gonna try something out after I have gotten some shuteye.

>>2281965

is this supposed to be Zyzz fucking a dead woman?

cause you forgot the arm tats, bro

>>2281965
who is zyzz?

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corrected, srry.

>>2281974

im gonna hit you one of these days

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>>2279827
HELLO, check muh rendering [the black and white shit]. is it color time?

>>2281982
how long you gonna work on that senpai

>>2281977
please don't

>>2281984
lmao they censored f-a-m with senpai thats fucking great

>>2281984
oh, I forgot to mention, this (and that girl on the bench with the wasps) are due on the 5th of next month, so im gonna be hella posting til then. is it accurate or gnaw?

>>2280981
def looks like a girl

>>2281989
T b h and s m h too.
Smh desu.

>>2282007
Oh, thought baka was one of them. What was the other?

>>2282009
CRIT ME

>>2282012
Sorry bro, but I'm in no position to crit rendering, I haven't even started painting yet.

>>2280981
just fucking leave you dont try at all jesus christ
stop feeding off of the /ic/ dicksucking you leech hack

>>2282021
adult

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>>2280984
>>2281039
>>2281041
>>2281114

top kek

>>2281208
>>2281994
I hope this is better, the last iteration of the body was terribad.

>>2282025
it's a trap

>>2282025
But... the problem isn't really the body...
Was he supposed to look like a flaming fag? the bobby haircut, the eyelashes, the delicate features and the fucking glossy lips.
You just took the face of a girl and glued on a man's body

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pewpew

>>2282025
I really feel like you made him a man because you just cant draw a woman from that angle. Like wtf, that looks horrible, the idea and the execution aswell, so unnatural, the neck jutting out and blergh

>>2282023
fuck you

>>2282025
His neck is coming out of his right clavicle instead of from the center of his torso. Also the way the head sits on the neck is awkward in both the bottom pics, and the facial structure in the bottom left one (straight view) is nonexistent.

>>2282049
Very nice anon. The lines are a bit sloppy, but not overly so, gives it a nice gritty feel. What's the idea behind those shoe platforms?

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Still working on this illustration, does anyone have any advice on rendering branches?

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458 minutes. Finally laying in the shadow. I've had less satisfying orgasms.

I took this photo too high so it all looks shifted up. Plenty of stuff off though.

>>2282049
Something about the pelvis looks a bit off. Torso is too long or something.

>>2281954
Fun, but she has no trapezius.

>>2281886
Her right forearm looks flat. The elbow looks cut off or too high for the angle of the forearm.

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>>2281982
FUCK this mask.

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Little sketch I made.

>>2282049

Awesome. You might want to clean it up though. Concept art clients love shit like this.

>>2282081

the way the straps wrap around the head seem like a missed opportunity to showcase form, no? Also to me it seems a little like you are caught up in trying to render every tiny part while neglecting the whole.

>>2282079
spec was to design a futurestic japanese street police. i thot it fitting since ancient japanese hat those high wooden sandal thingies. Also it goes well with the exoskeleton, might aid to run or jump, since its mainly a mellee fighter

>>2282086

il try cahnge it or something lol

>>2282095
beautiful

>>2282106

thanks man

>>2282123
like, how you can infer the pool's curvature just by the floating objects, excellent observations/decisions

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Anyone know how to draw individual strands of hair now that I have blocked in the main shape.
Also general criticism or critique would be useful

>>2282007
baka desu senpai

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a very rough gesture sketch of figure riding a horse/whatever. honesty always welcome but plz dont mention loomis as I always break out in rashes when I hear the name.

>>2282165
It's like you've never seen a horse or someone ride an animal before. Look up some ref and fix this.

>>2282165
Is that a really bad horse or a really bad wolf?

>>2282187
nah..cant be bothered to rly, only did this to kill some time. plz tho tell me specifically where the mistakes are. the foreshortening? the anatomy? say more than just one statement

>>2282194
does it matter? like said its a scribble that I'll probably never complete anyway

>>2282195
>>2282198
lol change your attitude if you ever want to improve

>>2282198
>its a scribble that I'll probably never complete anyway
Then why are you posting asking for critique? Either you care and are going to put effort into learning or you don't and won't and are wasting everyone's time.

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>>2282086
is this how they test for autism?

need a crit on this one. everyone hates it but no specific feedback yet

>>2282205
I posted it to see if the rough sketch is at least passable to the 'average' persons eye as a rider on a steed, most of the stuff i actually put effort into i keep to myself.
Remember, most people arent educated art critics, if something 'looks' right at first glance the mistakes are generally ignored unless they are glaring

>>2282165
L O O M I S
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>>2282206
What are you trying to show? Everything at the moment is competing for attention. You have a bright face with glowing eyes, a very bright boob highlight, a stupidly saturated green, a glowing blue sword, and the brightest point in the painting is her thigh. Everything in your painting is screaming for attention. Figure out what you want the focus and then downplay the other aspects of the image to support that.

The foreshortening also doesn't read that well, especially on the arm. The rimlight is inconsistent and too "outline". The light source seems to be low but she doesn't have the usual underlighting thing going on--where are the cast shadows? And the sword is pointing out of the image. Design-wise the silhouette and pose are boring shapes and the armor and handguard on the sword are also boring. What is her pose anyhow? Looks like she wants to fistbump the viewer. The loin cloth thingy also is rendered the same way as the rest of the armor so has a metal appearance. What's the glow? Is there a doorway behind her? Is it a random glow? What are the walls made of?

tl;dr: it isn't well thought out

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Shia labouef

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>>2282214
damn thanks. when did /ic/ get so good at crits? can you give this one a look over too?

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>>2282219

>>2282229

face looks fucking awesome

>>2282229
>is this how they check for autism?
Haha nah, i just want to get better at quickly drawing people from life, and I think its a really good exercise for training identification of shadow shapes, among other things.

This painting is a tier better than the other. The light-source question still applies. I feel like you could shift the gems and darks a little toward mauves or violets to make the palette more interesting. Also, the floating stone in the staff is interesting and could command just a little more attention than it does now.

I lurk /ic/ for pictures to use in my porjects
I've take two pictures from this thread and I'm going to use them in a light and one as a etching/engraving on a large surface.

Should I feel morally bad for this?
Thoughts please /ic/

>>2282244
no, great artist steal

>mauve
why didnt you just say purple I had to google that pretentious bullshit. don't see how this is any better than the other one but you sound aristocratic so ill trust you. same lightsource problem as in the rimlight or the focal point isnt pointy enough?

>>2282252
fuck you, talk shit on mauve again.

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>>2281340

>>2282229
Glad you like my earlier crit.

This one's way better. There's a clear focal point and I like how muted the rest of the image is so the warm lights really pop out. The compostion and general impact is much stronger too. I'd give the other image like a 3/10 and this one maybe a 7/10.

I feel the design is still a bit weak. Like the branch things on his forehead are really basic. How can you make their shapes cooler? Maybe look at antlers or go outside and find some cool bush with thorns and see how they grow or something. What about the designs on the armor--you have little S squiggles, but if you look at real armor decorations the designs were typically much more intricate (look up filligree). Often they were based on plants too which fits the theme of the forest keeper. His staff and hand are a letdown imo. The floating staff thing is neat but can be pushed a bit further. Is it rock? wood? make the materials read, maybe add some runes pr carvings or a subtle glow, just some extra layer of interest to it. His hand is terrible. It's three potato lumps. Get the drawing of the fingers correct about how they wrap the form of hte staff, and get some better shapes as right now they are lumpy and the same colour, size, and texture as the floating bit on the staff top which makes a repetitive and boring design. Trees in the bg looks very unfinished. I think looking at some ref and getting some more accurate shapes/silhouettes back there will help the image a lot. I just noticed the gems around his neck, I didn't even see them at first because their material reads so poorly. Find some ref for them and get their behaviour with light more accurate.

Okay basically now I think I'm repeating myself a bit. The main things I notice are weak design and weak materials. The design is mostly shape design. You need more interesting shapes and a greater variety of shape.

>>2282252
>on /ic/
>what is mauve
>what is shade
>what is colour
>what am I doing here
Jesus Christ

>>2282262
thanks man I got a good list of stuff to try to improve on now. Do you have a blog?

>>2282280
not sure if you're making fun of me for not knowing some esoteric name for purple or you're talking about yourself. dunno why you guys gotta act like this is some medieval time and not just call it purple.

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Drawing of myself i'm working on. I will erase the hand, I realize it's too small/ outlined.

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>>2282333
Also a tree I drew. No reference. I think I dreamt it.

>>2282331
>dunno why you guys gotta act like this is some medieval time and not just call it purple
Not that anon, but it's a specific shade of purple, dingus. Lot's of shades have names, like burgundy, lavender, teal, etc. It's not a stretch to expect anons on an art board to expect other anons to know the names of colors.

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>>2281846

>>2282341
Thank you for answering him for me.

>>2282333
Nice, I would pull in the hair line on the forehead a little.
Nice dress, you/your drawing reminds me of an ex.

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What am i doing wrong
Should i go to the beginner thread?
Just dont think i like this a whole lot

>>2282374
Wow her neck really does look shapeless.

>>2282379
you should

>>2282382
What do you thinks is wrong with it? What can i work on?

>>2282385
i would read the sticky

>>2281518

Holy shit dude.

First up thank you so much for taking the time for all these draw overs, I really really appreciate it, thank you.

Second, I totally get what your saying with the stiffness/lifelessness and the lack of volume- I have been feeling dissatisfied with my work recently for these exact reasons, and frustrated because I didn't know how to fix them.

So I take your point on approaching the figure with gesture and volume in mind- I can see the difference this has made in the draw-overs.

I know my gestures are lacking, I've been avoiding my gesture drawing classes in favor of ones with longer posses (I knew this would bite me) so I'll take some more of those! I know how I can work on my gesture drawing (though any recommendations for books etc. to check out on this would still be super appreciated)

but as for working on my volume im not so sure? I can see where you've altered my shadow shapes to better illustrate the major masses ect. like the first females chest/rigcage area, or downplayed superfluous details such as the complex shapes ive put around the greater trochanter in both of the first two figures (detracting from the form of the pelvis). Also in the adjustment of all of the shoulders, delts and claicles hahahaha FML. So what I'm saying is from what I could read of the draw overs, alot of my issues with volume look like they stem from a lack of anatomical knowledge? I feel like this is also indicated by your light construction which places in a ribcage/sternum/pelvis/ASIS - but I dontt know, what do you think I should work on to improve my volume?

Anyway all that aside, I really appreciate you taking the time for that crit! I'll be punching out my next figures with volume and gesture in mind!

>>2281340
>>2280682
I am bad at drawing non technical stuff but I can make you a giant wooden chair to sit in. It would be fun to have a 5' tall table and a 4' tall chair. I can also make you a long wooden spoon if you can't reach your regular table from the high chair.

Okay I think it's time for bed.

>>2282394
I read it friend
I just dont get what im doing wrong
I know it sucks ass i just want to improve

I did draw this completely off imagination

>>2282412
looking at something for 3 seconds is not reading.

>>2282415
Alright man thanks for the ebin critique

>>2282419
nigger i never said i was going to, go read the fucking sticky it has everything you need.

its shit . go read the sticky. you dont draw in forms. theres your crit.

>>2282381

Maybe, but thats where a good artist comes in to make it read 3d instead of being a mindless xerox machine.

>>2282384

Go to the stylization thread.

>>2282427
Youre right sorry for asking for help

>>2282435
I guess but if he did then everyone would get on his case for not being accurate to the ref. There's no winning. Even so, if it were me personally I would fudge it to make it read well like you said, because sometimes reference photos just look wrong.

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>>2282244
It depends what you mean by "use".

If you're literally taking the picture and implanting it into your own, of course you should.

If you're copying the image in its entirety for anything other than practice, again, I think you should.

If you're inspired by an idea, style, pose or whatever and are using an image as an aid to create your own piece, then no, you shouldn't.

That's my take.

>>2282210
How could you post what you posted, with this intention? The horlf has a head the size of a Audi. I don't understand how you couldn't filter this out yourself.

Everyone has seen a horse, "average" or not..

>>2282025
You need to diversify your noses. They are all the same inward curving Asian girl noses, but even then, they always feel too concave.

With this picture in particular, look at the lack of continuity between the nose in the top face and the bottom right. They look like different people.

You really should focus on varied nose forms for a while, it is the consistent issue throughout all your images that makes most of them feel off.

>>2282331
>Do you have a blog?
Yeah this is Andrew, pretty sure we've spoken before. I seem to recall discussing your portfolio and stuff/breaking into the industry with you? I think. Maybe it was on /ic/ and not through email though, can't recall. Think it was you. Anyhow, I haven't posted new stuff to my blog really, I have a lot of images I've done that aren't online.

>>2282398
Oh nice thanks for responding! Sometimes it can be discouraging if I take time to help someone out and I get no response, so can't even tell if they saw it.

In terms of your questions...well desu I have recently become more cautious with handing out too much advice because I think there are so many different approaches in art that are all valid, and most advice will close off one or another approach which may end up being harmful to the student.

But since you seem to like my earlier comment about volume....the thing to do is learn a bit of construction. There are two (main) approaches to figure drawing. 2D shapes (Tony Rider, Bargue, sight-size) and 3d construction (Russian Academy, Hampton, etc). I think getting mroe of that construction knowledge will help a ton with your forms, even if you stick to a more 2d system the 3d forms will be in your mind and help you interpret what you see. So uh, there's not much more to it than that. I've studied just about every figure drawing book out there and taken pieces from each and I recommend you do the same--Hampton, Bridgman, Vanderpoel, Vilppu, Bammes, Loomis, Hogarth, Mentler, Reilly Method, etc. and even just studying the work of artists you like with good form like Jeff Jones, Francis Vallejo, Achadobu, 0033, John Watkiss etc. Probably most of my knowledge on construction comes from Bridgman and a self-study of the Reilly Method by reverse engineering drawings of people who use it. Reilly method imo has some very good parts and some bad parts though, and I would be cautious to lean on it too much. Oh, and life drawing.

>>2282549
Cont.

I also have some uh, unconventional thoughts on gesture. Basically I didn't believe in it for a few years (long story, but it is based on the fact it is a modern exercise of around 100 years and many great masters didn't actually do it and the current Russian Academy don't teach it). Now I've switched to thinking it is very important but is not a beginner exercise (most people think it is) and should be taught only to intermediate artists. I also don't like the way it is typically taught in schools and I think most gesture lessons are flawed. I also think good gesture comes from good understanding of action and from intent, not so much from grinding large numbers of drawings as is common. Not to say my gesture game is very good, and I don't practice it ever really. But I do think about it a fair bit. So hm, advice-wise I think just look for the bigger actions in the pose, and about how the forms connect and relate to each other. The Reilly "string of pearls" approach is a simple way of looking at things, works quite well in most cases. But a lot of the action too is the INTENT of the pose. What is the person doing? How can you show it? This is also why I feel a lot of life drawing classes don't teach sufficiently because the models strike dumb poses they think are "artsy" and they lack real intent.

But of course all this is my opinion. I once again suggest trying out every method and taking pieces of what you like. Some people LOVE the bean method for gesture or Hampton's approach or Nicolaides approach...personally I don't much like most of them. I think it might be better to study the sketches of actual working artists. Find the early studies for paintings that artists made and study it, don't just study what a guy in a classroom is telling you about gesture. You'll find some interesting things you may not expect. And it will be a more practical approach to gesture that you can actually use, instead of seeing it as a warmup exercise or whatever.

>>2282549
Oh no wonder the crits were good then. If it was the FFG discussion thread that was me which also explains why the advice was good. I actually talked to you when tehmeh streamed like 2 years ago, and got your skype. I never added you though. I've actually been using guys like you, jasper sandner, miles johnston & ross tran for motivation since I started because we're all the same age but you guys are so much better.

>>2282556
Ah nice haha, I'm not sure I deserve to be in that same category as those guys but I appreciate it. Also Jasper is a couple years older I think? I remember looking up to him on CA years ago, he was always ahead of me.

Don't remember the tehmeh stream discussion, but maybe that happened. I went on his stream once or twice a long time ago but I don't recall conversations so much.

I don't use skype these days much and am off fb, but feel free to email me if you ever wanna chat or whatever. I may take a day or two to respond or may respond instantly. I'm a bit flakey on that stuff but will typically take the time to respond at some point.

>>2281372
learning how to draw would be a good start

>>2282086
lol, so much time and you cant even lay a drawing in? wtf, if you go for sight size you can literally trace it with your eyes, just set the edges and render that bitch out, whats so hard about that

>>2280637
you could learn to draw a clean line, before drawing something that involves foreshortened perspective, facial anatomy, skull studies, anatomy and all that other shit without a fucking reference. Do people like you think once in their lives just how illusional they are?

>>2282229
Simple poses with no perspective look much better, who would've thought.

>>2282581
I'm not sure what I've done to draw your wrath but if you're going to yell at me could you at least go to the most recent version of the picture >>2281257
with your criticisms, I can't do much with feedback from that outdated version. And I'm not illusional, I realize I'm only text on a screen to you but I'm quite real I promise you. As for the lines well, I like starting sketchy and working my way clean, that's just how I was taught.

>>2282262
>There's a clear focal point
what? the forehead? thats the only focal point i see, a shitty focal point.

>>2282581
Its delusional you fucking shithead not illusional

Are you mad because youre so fucking stupid, or just mad for no reason?
No need to act like a cunt in a thread for improvement, im sorry your art degree got you nowhere.

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Please anatomy check this ass.
Thank you.

>>2282693
Ass looks a bit flat maybe? And legs kind of look like logs

>>2282262
>I'd give the other image like a 3/10 and this one maybe a 7/10.
I want him to draw more like the other image, he won't learn anything if he doesn't challenge himself with difficult angles and just stays in his comfort zone painting static portraits.

>>2282679
Not sure why you are shitting on it. You can find Sargent pics with the brightest value on the forehead. It tends to happen when you have a large planar mass with a strong light source from above. In any case it is miles ahead of the other one where everything was a focal point (and therefore nothing was).

>>2282707
Good point about pushing out of comfort zones, but at the end of a day an image is successful or not based on other factors. Some of the greatest paintings of all time are incredibly simplistic and don't have any crazy angles or unconventional things, but they do the ordinary things in a very well handled and beautiful way with elegant solutions. The first image had many issues that hadn't been solved properly whereas the second one had successfully resolved those same issues. He should definitely be trying more images that push his boundaries, but needs to try to find ways to correctly show what he wants to show and organize and design the images to be effective. Hope that makes sense.

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>>2282700
Ty for pointing out leglogs, I hadn't even realized.

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post this in last thread. improved it a little. I think im pretty much done. any suggestions

>>2282772
sign it before someone else does

It's fucking good.
But the more I look at it the flatter it becomes, it's odd.

>>2282790
thanks a lot. yeah not sure why it becomes flat over time, maybe its the texture of the paint strokes coming out

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>>2282511
Well kinda, I take pictures photos any 2D media and add a few filters in photo-shop to give me a stencil and I turn it into metal work and even an engraving or maybe just inspiration for a piece.

Pic related for a simple example, open PS, stamp filter, vector, and I have a dxf file I can cut out. I'de cut it out on a plate and stick a light behind it, maybe put a orange piece of perspex behind the flame. Make £50 out of it easily.