[Boards: 3 / a / aco / adv / an / asp / b / bant / biz / c / can / cgl / ck / cm / co / cock / d / diy / e / fa / fap / fit / fitlit / g / gd / gif / h / hc / his / hm / hr / i / ic / int / jp / k / lgbt / lit / m / mlp / mlpol / mo / mtv / mu / n / news / o / out / outsoc / p / po / pol / qa / qst / r / r9k / s / s4s / sci / soc / sp / spa / t / tg / toy / trash / trv / tv / u / v / vg / vint / vip / vp / vr / w / wg / wsg / wsr / x / y ] [Search | Click for more| Home]

Understanding 0033's Approach

This is a red board which means that it's strictly for adults (Not Safe For Work content only). If you see any illegal content, please report it.

Thread replies: 184
Thread images: 46

So I downloaded that mediafire link of over 450 of 0033's work, and it blew my mind. Amazing draftsmanship and form with such simple lines. I want to understand how he does what he does, and I was confused by some of the things he is doing.

Does anyone have a translation of this page? Can you figure out what it means? He often uses Xs at joints, and I am not sure I understand their purpose. My best guesses are they find the centerpoint of the limb in order to have the gesture flow through it, or they are there to help maintain the width when he foreshortens. Neither really seems that likely though. I notice the center of the X is exactly at the joint, and the end of each line seems to often hit a bony landmark on the outside, but I still don't understand the purpose. Help?
>>
>Amazing draftsmanship and form
you're joking, right
>>
File: bondage-turkey.jpg (136KB, 500x327px) Image search: [iqdb] [SauceNao] [Google]
bondage-turkey.jpg
136KB, 500x327px
>>1840100
it's bondage
>>
link where ?
>>
>>1840099
Do you vant to know zee zeecret?

Eet ees a billion yearz of zirty to sixty zecond gezture drawing.
>>
>>1840099
>omg it's written in Japanese that must mean he HAS to be a master draftsman

Please end yourself.
>>
>>1840103
It's probably difficult to see for noobs like you because his linework is quite crude and all you are able to appreciate at your current skill level are Vilppu-esque drawings with lots of smooth, flowy lines and wrapping around the form.

His skill in depicting the human form so effortlessly with outlines is impressive nonetheless. Maybe if you work harder on your drawing ability, in a couple of years you will understand why.
>>
>>1840103
>>1840122
Have you actually seen his drawings? they are amazing.

>>1840115
Hm yeah, he does a ton of gesture drawings, pic related, but this obviously has some meaning and goes beyond that.
>>
File: zeesture.jpg (40KB, 700x393px) Image search: [iqdb] [SauceNao] [Google]
zeesture.jpg
40KB, 700x393px
>>1840115

Feelz ze floz
>>
I say that these are very skillful but /ic/ lacks the good eye and skill to see how beautifully crafted those drawings are, so as such they could never understand. I will tell you these are very high tier draftsmanship.
>>
File: real pros work.jpg (188KB, 1200x1600px) Image search: [iqdb] [SauceNao] [Google]
real pros work.jpg
188KB, 1200x1600px
>>1840130
>thats amazing to you

Shit man tone down on the asian dick sucking.
>>
File: MiltHands.jpg (285KB, 1530x1000px) Image search: [iqdb] [SauceNao] [Google]
MiltHands.jpg
285KB, 1530x1000px
>>1840136
No, you fuck off.
>>
File: 1394929190805.jpg (612KB, 1000x934px) Image search: [iqdb] [SauceNao] [Google]
1394929190805.jpg
612KB, 1000x934px
>>
>>1840141
Why are you being so defensive? Why can't you just admit that his drawings are nice?
>>
>>1840144
nice, yes they are

but dude had to go for the hyperbole and say they were "amazing"
>>
>>1840144

The only one who is being defensive is you. Clearly he is no match for my posted examples. If you like following blind tutorial advice from another amateur just because he lives in the country that produces your wank material instead of real pros then you will always be mediocre.
>>
>>1840148
Could you explain what you think makes this >>1840135 better than this >>1840130
>>
>>1840146
Except his draftsmanship is on par with any of your western animation heroes. His gesture and construction is on an extremely high level. He is by any account amazing.
>>
>>1840156
what western animation heroes? he's hardly better than myself.
>>
>>1840134

I dig how he's well-versed in perspective and proportion.

I've been doing gestures, but I'm uncomfortable in foreshortening and placing dynamic poses in perspective.
>>
>>1840157
Well you posted Milt Kahl so I assume you consider him to be a good example.

>he's hardly better than myself.
Top kek. He's a far better draftsman than anyone who has ever posted on /ic/.
>>
>>1840157
dunning-kruger victim detected
>>
>>1840099
>mediafire link of over 450 of 0033's work
Link?
>>
File: ewb.jpg (64KB, 700x467px) Image search: [iqdb] [SauceNao] [Google]
ewb.jpg
64KB, 700x467px
>>1840156
You're just a friggin weeb. If I took my time and written this westerners (or non japs) drawing in Japanese you'd be all over this shit because in your mind you see "oh my god its glorious nip tutorial."

Please stop calling him a draftsman you are making me puke.
>>1840162
I hate it when people speak for me.
>>
>>1840099

OP, does he work in the animation industry? He would be extremely skilled if he did.

Probably would be the next Okiura.
>>
>>1840099

I noticed that he took some cues from Gottfried Bammes' book. Specifically about human proportions.
>>
>>1840111
>>1840165
https://www.mediafire.com/?pbz6rg18t03qg2a

>>1840170
You're just a racist piece of shit. If you think that I like 0033 just because he's asian then you are sorely mistaken. I don't even draw anime.

>>1840173
I actually don't know. I feel like he's a hentai artist or something, he has drawn some pretty porn-y things. I've also seen comic panels by him.
>>
>>1840170
you need to stop being autistic.
>>
As soon as I read the OP and >Japanese knew there would be shitposting.

Going through his site, and this guy is pretty damn good if you have the experience to see it
>>
I like the resources on /ic/ a lot, but man it is annoying how so many threads get derailed like this. Just noting that I'd also like to hear the answer to OP's question.
>>
>>1840179
I honestly thought OP was trolling and I'm amazed by how people can seriously think this is anything special
>>
>>1840170
>shit line economy.

You must be joking if you're comparing that to OP.
>>
>>1840175

>you don't draw anime
>wanting to understand what is written In japanese

Whyyyyy are people so retarded.
>>
>>1840181
>line economy
>being a thing
>>
>>1840181

I am not trying to compare, I quickly grabbed that off google and haphazardly written japanese text on it to make my point that just because a tut is written in japanese OP will automatically give it the benefit of the doubt because he is a (japanese) dick sucker.
>>
>>1840182
maybe because draughtsmanship transcends style
>>
>>1840183
>scribbleshit to vaguely imply a form vs confident line statements.

Like I said, get some experience and you'll see why this 0033 guy is good weeb or not.
>>
>>1840186
>please suck white cocks

no thanks
>>
>>1840188
>draftsmanship
you are making me smile now
>>1840191
tutorials are written in your native language far superior and yet you think for some reason Japanese people posses the secret sauce.
>>
>>1840194
>tutorials are written in your native language far superior

I'm japanese, thanks for that compliment baka gaijin.
>>
>>1840186
You chose a terrible example and completely undermined your own point. Take 033s stuff, crop out the chink text and erase the anime bug eyes and it's rock solid fundamentaly.
>>
>>1840195

Oh yeah? And I'm Obama. Two bombs weren't enough.
>>
>>1840197
> Two bombs weren't enough.

spoken like a true murderer Obama-san.
>>
>>1840196

That picture is from idrawgirls, of course he is terrible. I posted a good example already >>1840135 works in animation and your 0033 friend does not. AND if he does work in animation,he probably works on the cheap mediocre anime for kids and never tries his had at key animation. Basically the slave monkey in a sweatshop doing the talking stills.
>>
>>1840186

i don't think anyone in this thread cares it's in Japanese except you. People are curious about the translation because they are interested in the notation that accompanies the work which is on its own, very impressive.
>>
>>1840201

Oh you do care. What is so different from his tutorial that you can't find from another working pro off DA?
>>
>>1840202
>What is so different from his tutorial

Well I've never seen someone use Xs like that, and I've studied Hampton, Loomis, Bridgman, Kevin Chen, Reilly, Vilppu, Vanderpoel and a bit of Hogarth. I've skimmed some other books too like Bammes. Some Reilly rhythms share a passing resemblance, but I think it goes beyond that. So clearly his approach is novel/obscure, and I'm curious as to the meaning and purpose of it.
>>
>>1840200
I don't know chink shit so maybe you're right about his work. But >>1840135 has useless lines all over the place.
>no it conveys movement!
then do it with the figure itself.
>>
File: eawe.jpg (194KB, 1978x905px) Image search: [iqdb] [SauceNao] [Google]
eawe.jpg
194KB, 1978x905px
hhmmm looks impressive without all that KANJI, yup. Can't tell if it's from deviantart or not anymore.
>>1840206
I've never seen anyone use a lightning bolt technique until I seen sycra use it. It's because it's his own way of drawing the figure that works for him and may not work for you?
>>1840207
>bashing the great Mike Mattesi
to the pitchforks
>>
File: d98.jpg (28KB, 600x640px) Image search: [iqdb] [SauceNao] [Google]
d98.jpg
28KB, 600x640px
>>
>>1840208
>It's because it's his own way of drawing the figure that works for him and may not work for you?
And it may work for me too, who knows. Why are you so closeminded? I just wanted to know what his approach was, and instead you ranted on about a ton of racist stuff and insulted him when clearly he is a good artist, which everyone in the thread can see but you.
>>
>>1840099
link ?
>>
>>1840212
so he's not amazing anymore, but only good?
>>
>>1840208
Being famous doesn't make his shit gold. Weebs do the same thing--idolizing the artists and gobbling everything up. If you look at >>1840135 on its own merits it is nothing special and not worth being touted as an example of excellence.
>>
>>1840214

that backpedaling yo
>>
>>1840208

no one's bashing Mattesi. however, the fact that you chose to use this particular example >>1840135 to try and prove a point shows you have no fucking clue about anything

take your crusade elsewhere
>>
>>1840219

take your japanese dick sucking elsewhere
>>
>the nationality of the origin of an art resource is important

When will you guys realize how retarded this East vs West thing is?
>>
File: Step2_border.jpg (56KB, 900x469px) Image search: [iqdb] [SauceNao] [Google]
Step2_border.jpg
56KB, 900x469px
this is impressive
>>
>>1840213
http://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?id=59317
>>
File: 28654169_m.jpg (337KB, 600x600px) Image search: [iqdb] [SauceNao] [Google]
28654169_m.jpg
337KB, 600x600px
>>1840224
This? Not so impressive. The other uses the exact techniques of mattesi.
>>
>>1840226
This is impressive. Very forceful. Knows what he is doing.
>>
File: 4343.jpg (763KB, 1978x905px) Image search: [iqdb] [SauceNao] [Google]
4343.jpg
763KB, 1978x905px
>>1840228
This? Not so impressive. Come on you call yourself an animator? What do you animate, pokemon for sunday mornings?
>>
>>1840226
Im sure if the red guy scribbled all over his figures like >>1840224 he could trick you into thinking it's good as well.
>>
its shit
>>
>>1840233
>calling mattesi shit

to the pitchforks!
>>
File: o931p8c.jpg (338KB, 2107x1500px) Image search: [iqdb] [SauceNao] [Google]
o931p8c.jpg
338KB, 2107x1500px
>>1840232
Bitch please, get some better taste.
>>
>>1840236
Now we're talking.
>>
>>1840099
>>1840100
i think the red lines are guidelines of sorts to make you more aware of the proportions.
but yeah, a transation would be great.

>>1840228
>>1840226
>>1840230
>>1840224
you don't have a clue at all. you're too easily fooled by details.
0033 isn't impressive because of his illustration skills, he's impressive because of his ability to draw poses and angles with such simplicity.
>>
File: 493n.png (321KB, 500x683px) Image search: [iqdb] [SauceNao] [Google]
493n.png
321KB, 500x683px
Beautiful. Very fluid. Free. This is what you want to aim for and not some sleeze off pixiv.
>>
>>1840242

Oh so now he isn't an illustrator? That would make him an animator? Are you proving my point here?
>>
>>1840242
/ic/... /ic/ has changed...

(then again, 3 or 4 years ago animu art wasn't even allowed on here)
>>
>>1840243

just stop

it's getting embarrassing
>>
all the op is talking about is using that criss cross method to draw difficult poses without reference by using gesture (literally says the most important thing is capturing an interesting silhouette)
he does a lot of rambling, but the main point is that the green line connects left arm / right leg with purple being right arm / left leg. using this method he says you dont need to know the little details of human anatomy to make an accurate, but interesting pose. the lines help you determine the "intention" behind the pose. the rest is just rambling about the beauty of human form and the intention behind it.

tldr
use three sets of lines while thinking about the intention of the pose while drawing your silhouette to get a balanced, well drawn pose

basically "feel the pose"
>>
OP obviously doesn't know how to draw but either way,
if you want to do gestures, even if you want them to look like flat typical manga shit, you just need to fucking draw from life.
I hate this board's obsession with mapping out the figure instead of just putting pencil to paper and drawing through the figure. Obviously blocking/mapping the figure is necessary for doing typical manga shit, but your first goal should just be to train your eye/hand coordination and general understanding of the actual human body, then blocking out the figure will become much easier and more accurate.
>>
>>1840250
What's embarrassing is you giving a virtual fellatio to some hack.

>>1840251
>feel the pose
It would really hilarious if it was translated in English and the basic summary said "feel the flow".
>>
>>1840244
that was my first post itt.
he was always regarded as an animator. did you ever see a full illustration from this guy? no? because there aren't any you fucking idiot.

there are many guys with this level of skill (drawing freely, drawing varied gestural poses with simple lines), 0033 just happens to be one who made a lot of redlines and help posts for others.
i mean it should be a desireable set of skills, right?
>>
>>1840257
stop replying to that troll.
>>
>>1840251
Well that doesn't help much. The green and blue lines being gesture were very obvious already. The red criss cross in both the OP and the first reply are what I'm curious about.
>>
>>1840257

Okay then. So he is the guy who does the talking still frames in anime. Very impressive indeed....not. We're talking about Asia here; just because he has the title of an animator doesn't mean jack all if he is working on cheap, low budget seasonal cartoons.

I have yet to see anything close to impressive from his pixiv. Just redlines. Of course he can do relines because you need to draw to "animate", but that's just the entry point.
>>
>>1840267
>he doesn't have a name i can latch behind!!

he can draw. and that's the point. like i said, having this type of skillset is desirable.
being able to draw all the poses you can imagine should e good right?
and again, he isn't the only guy who can do this. he just happens to be the topic for this thread.
>>
File: 13014700_m.jpg (413KB, 600x600px) Image search: [iqdb] [SauceNao] [Google]
13014700_m.jpg
413KB, 600x600px
>>1840251
that's actually helpful. more pls
>>
>>1840270

You got the link to his pixiv. Thread over.
>>
>>1840272
no i meant more translations
>>
File: intention.png (331KB, 2000x756px) Image search: [iqdb] [SauceNao] [Google]
intention.png
331KB, 2000x756px
>>1840262
the point is you draw the silhouette to your best ability. if you dont understand certain parts of the pose you can check it using those methods. the red criss cross is just explaining that even under duress those parts will pull at each other but never break. my english isnt so good with explaining..but if you arent at the level to draw like him without the lines then the whole method is probably not going to do anything but confuse you.
im not that good but check pic for what the tuts about
>>
>>1840281
So basically this is just another method of drawing that focuses almost completely on silhouette and he provides these other tools to keep the silhouette correct and appealing.

That's some intense stuff... when is this method of drawing practical?
>>
>>1840281
I think I almost get it now. So the point where the lines cross never goes outside the outlines of the pose? If that how it works?
>>
>>1840281
Hm, still not sure I get it. I drew out a figure from imagination then applied those like, but it felt just like I was drawing red Xs on top for no reason. I don't get what it is that they check.
>>
File: test.jpg (117KB, 667x426px) Image search: [iqdb] [SauceNao] [Google]
test.jpg
117KB, 667x426px
>>1840314
forgot file
>>
>>1840284
>>1840286
>>1840314
>>1840317
hilarious
>>
>>1840320

Not really.
>>
>>1840320
Please educate us sensei
>>
File: testagain.jpg (169KB, 535x823px) Image search: [iqdb] [SauceNao] [Google]
testagain.jpg
169KB, 535x823px
>>1840317
Cool so I did another one and think I figured it out. The X is just to find the centerpoint of each joint or part not matter the perspective so that you can run a gesture line through the center. Then you have an accurate gesture line and can see if it needs fixing. So you need to draw the X first, then the gesture after.
>>
>>1840337
Oh I see. I guess it's meant to be just beginner advice then, I can't believe this guy couldn't just eyeball this stuff himself.
>>
File: Kr0npr1nz_workplace.jpg (356KB, 1800x890px) Image search: [iqdb] [SauceNao] [Google]
Kr0npr1nz_workplace.jpg
356KB, 1800x890px
approved by KR0NPR1NZ
>>
File: 1345655619473.png (175KB, 675x690px) Image search: [iqdb] [SauceNao] [Google]
1345655619473.png
175KB, 675x690px
>>1840281
>but if you arent at the level to draw like him without the lines then the whole method is probably not going to do anything
This.
Beginners need to realize these methods mean nothing if you already can't draw a decent figure from imagination.
People like 0033 have already drawn enough to make their own canon, once you start to get gud you'll start developing your own, or latch onto the same ideas at least.
>>
File: 1405707424625.jpg (92KB, 865x720px) Image search: [iqdb] [SauceNao] [Google]
1405707424625.jpg
92KB, 865x720px
>>1840353
>KR0NPR1NZ
Same face shit.
>>
>>1840359
Eat shit tard.
>>
>>1840369
Yeah.
>>
>>1840374
What exactly are you trying to prove?
>>
>>1840369
>>1840404
>>
>>1840374

I like sameface though, especially Shinkiro.
>>
>>1840243
>literally ripping off Kanada
Why are western artists such shit?
>>
File: 1381600823832.jpg (55KB, 348x383px) Image search: [iqdb] [SauceNao] [Google]
1381600823832.jpg
55KB, 348x383px
>mfw western shits will never ever be able to do something like this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2rSw4Xl5qfs
>>
>>1840157
HAHAHA
Post your work jackass, amuse us
>N-NO! BECUZ U GUYS ARE WEEBS AND WON'T APPRECIATE MY SHIT :^(
>>
>>1840170
>>1840514
Haven't seen that you already posted, shit hahaha, can't believe you actually think you're in any way better than 0033.
>>
>>1840099
I think if you imagine the x's like pieces of string wrapped on the body, it shows where the skin goes in.
>>
>>1840521

that is idrawgirls work dumbfuck read the thread
>>
>>1840476

If you want a show with a similar premise, check out the first episode of the Shin Hurrocane Polymer OVA. It had key animators like Masahiro Ando (director of Swords of the Stranger) and Yoh Yoshinori (director of Little Witch Academia).

It's weak writing-wise, but the animation is pretty good, combat has a ton of weight to it.

ぽりまー Masahiro Ando: http://youtu.be/LZ5omzWnBWI
>>
>>1840527
There's no mention of that in the entire thread, although after re-reading the post I figured it wasn't his work. that's not the point anyway, >>1840170 is a fucking retard for thinking 0033¨s aclaim comes from weebs because he's asian and draws anime.
>>
>0033

he'd be better if I could understand his notes
>>
>>1840550
>ctrl+f idrawgirls
>2 matches found
ok then
>0033¨s aclaim comes from weebs because he's asian and draws anime

but you know it's true
>>
westurn animation, saving one series at a time!
>>
>>1840591
good thing those amerifats drew from life. really helped them!
>>
>>1840591
The americans sure know their loomis!
>>
>>1840603
>>1840613
You folks sound very conductive to learning, im sure you'll get very far in your art.
>>
>>1840591
Is this real?
>>
>>1840099
Can we please stop arguing over what's superior and just talk about what OP is asking? I am wondering as well and this has the potential to be a very interesting thread if you guys would stop shitting it up.
>>
>>1840618
I was about to say something similar, even if their being le funny sarcastic men, it sounds like they're bashing on actual foundation, like, implying the japs learn without it or something.
It is obvious that easteners put greater enfasis on mastering fundamentals and perfecting their craft than westeners, that's why their stuff tends to look superior in every way.
>>
>>1840625
then why does western morrigan's face looks closer to reality? hint: because westerners drew from life ugly 3d women, whereas japs were drawing idealized, invented features.
>>
>>1840629
>drawing idealized, invented features.
No, they were just omitting the features a face normally has.
>>
>>1840630
knowing what to omit and exaggerated involves exploration which is a process of invention itself.
>>
>>1840634
That's why they skip drawing the faces so the viewer can imagine them on their own.
>>
An adult woman having the face of a baby is the ideal form of beauty
>>
>>1840643
>>
>>1840236

bout fucking time
>>
File: realhomer.jpg (28KB, 420x537px) Image search: [iqdb] [SauceNao] [Google]
realhomer.jpg
28KB, 420x537px
>>1840653
>>1840643
yes, cartoons translate well to reality
>>
>>1840470
>avatar
>western
you mean korea right?
>>
File: 1353691204270.png (39KB, 460x232px) Image search: [iqdb] [SauceNao] [Google]
1353691204270.png
39KB, 460x232px
>>1840603
REEEEEEEEEEKT
>>
File: 1389645391854.jpg (376KB, 1280x986px) Image search: [iqdb] [SauceNao] [Google]
1389645391854.jpg
376KB, 1280x986px
>>1840629
>Anime features aren't based on reality!
>If you do life drawing / any fundamental training your art ends up bad!
My my, what a fucking retard.
Japs have a solid formation on fundamentals that's why they're able to draw appealing anime features as well as appealing realistic features corrrectly.
Western morrigan looks like shit because the artists were shit, not because "she was closer to reality" (she is not btw).
Stop eating shit and educate yourself.
>>
File: gbb.jpg (170KB, 500x741px) Image search: [iqdb] [SauceNao] [Google]
gbb.jpg
170KB, 500x741px
>>1840701
>not because "she was closer to reality" (she is not btw).
yes, she is
>>
>>1840620
It is, amerifats have always had this idea that animation is for children/idiots, so when the chinks come up with some cool, profitable shit, instead of aquiring the rights to profit from the original content, they acquire the rights to make their own version of it.
It also happens with movies, but I think that's more about avoiding cultural shock and preserving hollywood standard.
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONPdSLNOlSs
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PagO9qq8C5o
>>
>>1840711
The fact that you can't spot the symbols, anatomical mistakes, and differences between a real face and that thing just goes to show that you don't know what you're talking about.
>hurr it's like ugly and it has more lines in te face uhhh, it's closer to real life ;y
>>
>>1840716
>The fact that you can't spot the symbols

symbols drawings in mah cartoons and anime!? you don't say!
>>
>>1840716
i see those mistakes, but it's still CLOSER than anime face. aside from the eyes being too wide and everything below the neck, including the neck, the proportions of a big nose, drawing lips, round chin, and eye height, are closer to a real face.
>>
File: s_morrigan.jpg (210KB, 1360x450px) Image search: [iqdb] [SauceNao] [Google]
s_morrigan.jpg
210KB, 1360x450px
>>1840720
There's a difference between purposeful symbol drawing and a dunce trying to emulate real life butnot counting with the propper knowledge to do it.
here are some examples of actual real life aproximations of morrigan.
>Oh noes, but that's not real life cuz it's not ugly!!!
>>
>>1840725
>implying those are even symbol drawings

must be retardfest today!
>>
>>1840730
>I can't into reading comprehension
It indeed is retardfest.
>>
>>1840731
>I can't clearly clarify my point but expect people to comprehend

indeed, indeed.
>>
>>1840725
why don't you just post a cosplayer?
shit on the left is still ugly. shit on the right is stylized (if you can't see that, you're a dunce)
>>
>>1840734
This tripfag speaks the truth. Fuck finally a tripfag worthy of a tripfaggotry.
>>
>>1840725
>butnot
>propper
>aproximations

chill bro, take your time in these arguments and take your chill pills, don't get stress out, after all we're all anonymous.
>>
>>1840701
sauce on pic?
>>
>>1840470
>litterally ripping off of kanada
Which is pretty much everyone.
>>
this thread is the pinnacle of all that is bad, this post included

found a relevant pic tho
>>
>>1840734
>real life approximation
>approximation
You know, every drawing and painting out there is a real life apporoximation,ergo, everything is in theory stylized, unless it's the copy of a photo or a heavily referenced(to the point of tracing) turd.
>>
>>1840732
>guh guh I can't read, fuck you for making me reply with shit
>>
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3BiAu-jIkU
>>
>>1840734
What about the one in the middle? jackass.
Anyway, just to recap, the western tv morrigan looks like shit because the artists didn't have a solid foundation on art, contrary to what you have said, they weren't referencing "ugly 3d women", they just didn't have the knowledge to pull off appealing realistic features (for a number of reasons that include not doing life drawing).
Anime /idealized features stem from reality, everything in art, stylized or not comes from reality, studying the real is fundamental to invent.
Life drawing is a vital excercise to any artist, and japs aren't the exception. Do you really believe the guys doing anime like yoh yoshinari or takeshi honda don't study life? are you out of your fucking mind?
And lastly, fuck off and learn, I can't seriously get through your stupidity, not only you are arguing that "fundamental knowledge is bad, real life is ugly, life drawing fucks your art, and last but not least , fucking western morrigan looks close to reality", but you also act as if you are in the right stand, what the actual fuck dude.
By the way, yeah, I'm fully aware that artgerm draws stylized stuff, but we're talking about reality approximations, and that's the fucking point; stylized or not, those three images are better approximations to real life than that abomination that you're claiming "it looks real".
>>
File: Picasso-La-Lecture.jpg (347KB, 1274x1600px) Image search: [iqdb] [SauceNao] [Google]
Picasso-La-Lecture.jpg
347KB, 1274x1600px
>>1840876
Wise words.

Want to ignore the fundamentals because reality is boring and ugly and fuck the police?

Better start brushing up those cubism skillz, you shits
>>
>>1840876
>replying to /ic/'s new house troll
>>
>>1840876
i've never said you should ignore fundamentals. where did you get that from?
>>
>>1840099
>Understanding 0033's Approach
I'm more interested in Kim Jung Gis approach.

He's one of the few artists that make me both chuckle in nervous mania and cry (as in tear up) at the same time.

;_;
>>
>>1843899
From his interviews it sounds like he did a TON of construction and drawing for decades. Then he abandoned construction and underdrawings to save time in demos and just got used to it for everything. The large visual library he has is a combination of experience and spending a few hours each day trying to memorize photos.
>>
>>1843992
Damn. Decades. I'm already 32 and he isn't *that* much older, early 40s I think.

I wasted my best years, I bet I'll only start to be good at 50 or 60.
>>
>>1844072
>I wasted my best years, I bet I'll only start to be good at 50 or 60.
Toplel. There're exist tons of people in world who never "start to be good" no matter how hard they trying. You think you're special or something?
>>
>>1844072
“From the age of 6 I had a mania for drawing the shapes of things. When I was 50 I had published a universe of designs. But all I have done before the the age of 70 is not worth bothering with. At 75 I'll have learned something of the pattern of nature, of animals, of plants, of trees, birds, fish and insects. When I am 80 you will see real progress. At 90 I shall have cut my way deeply into the mystery of life itself. At 100, I shall be a marvelous artist. At 110, everything I create; a dot, a line, will jump to life as never before. To all of you who are going to live as long as I do, I promise to keep my word. I am writing this in my old age. I used to call myself Hokusai, but today I sign my self 'The Old Man Mad About Drawing.”
― Hokusai Katsushika
>>
>>1840099

He breaks down construction to the most basic shapes and thinks of the human figure as if it were an action figure.

It's pretty smart, his figure breakdowns remind me of Cushart. Burn Hogarth's books might interest you, since it's pretty much the same as what 0033 is doing, whether you like Hogarth's style or not.
>>
>>1844083
>>1844083
>To all of you who are going to live as long as I do
I don't think I will fall under that. I got all sorts of autoimmune shit working against me.

But yeah, that quote is still quite meaningful.
>>
>>1844117
He died at 88 anyways.
>>
>>1843899

You're missing the point of these drawings if you think you want to learn without construction. When Kim Jung Gi is teaching, he also uses cross contours.

These drawings teach understanding of forms and rhythms in a way that can be remembered. You can't draw like Kim just by copying his line work.
>>
>>1840122
If anything you are saying it sucks because it has japanese writing, I mean no one even alluded this
>>
>My dad can draw better than your dad

God people on this board can be so insufferable
>>
>>1840222
I agree. Weebs really should take their web shit somewhere else
>>
>>1844124
He just needed two more yeears...
>>
>>1844739
>You're missing the point of these drawings if you think you want to learn without construction
Oh, I don't want to learn without construction, at all!

I want to see him construct something ... you know, his process if it weren't all in his head.

I know that makes little sense since he probably really does see it all by now, but perhaps he could shift gears down a bit.
>>
Teal
https://warosu.org/ic/thread/S1505701#p1507998
>>
>>1847278
yeah some people are just insane.

the thing is, you have to power through in the beginning until you can get to a similar point. all the fundamentals and shit take time but it's well worth it when you get there.
>>
>>1847354
>all the fundamentals and shit take time
>tfw almost 30
>tfw creepy to draw porn at 40+
But it's my motivation.
I don't wanna end up expressing myself, or some shit like that.
>>
File: what the fuck.png (124KB, 757x807px) Image search: [iqdb] [SauceNao] [Google]
what the fuck.png
124KB, 757x807px
>>1840317
>>1840337
Am I doing it right?
>>
>>1847386

It's not going to take you 10 years, quit worrying

Also there are plenty of oldfags still drawing porn
>>
File: 1410462421068.png (109KB, 800x800px) Image search: [iqdb] [SauceNao] [Google]
1410462421068.png
109KB, 800x800px
>>1847278

Man that was more than a year ago
>>
>>1847445
not him, but already 31 here.
Time flies so fast and I still draw so bad... not enough loomis yet
>>
Many animators draw like that.
It's probably a Japanese way of doing thing.
>>
>>1847254

I've been trying to find the pics on my drive but to no success, so I've probably burned them onto a DVD somewhere. But he was demonstrating foreshortening, and he drew many parallel lines across the surface of a lying figure, drawing it in slices. It looked like a 3D model but only with horizontal lines.

It wasn't so much a drawing process as it was a demonstration of understanding, and it's really the amount of info and understanding he has internalized that separates him from others, not the process.
>>
>>1840130
the poses are good, but its a tad too sketchy :I
>>
>>1840099
I'm not saying the guy isn't good, his drawings are simple, readable, and accurate. I don't feel that he's an amazing draftsman or at least that if he is it isn't evident in the drawings posted in this thread. I have always viewed draftsmanship not as the inherent understanding of form that you gain from chronic observation and practice but more of the rigorous process of creating absolutely accurate forms more akin to the works of a master architect/engineer or an artist like Rafael Araujo. Maybe I'm wrong but the use of that word in this thread makes me cringe a bit.
>>
>>1840175

Thanks for link m8. Dude doesn't display the details, possibly for simplicity, but his work would be great for animation. Really clean and expressive gestures, clear construction.
>>
>>1848199
As others have said, the point was that his work would be amazing for animation. Context, anon.
>>
>>1848199
>but more of the rigorous process of creating absolutely accurate forms more akin to the works of a master architect/engineer or an artist like Rafael Araujo

That kind of drawing is very technical for sure, but I see draftmanship as having good control above all else, and these drawings by 0033 demonstrate good control. Line drawing using confident, long, thin lines, the kind favored by animation and pen and ink mediums, is perhaps the most demanding of draftmanship.
Thread posts: 184
Thread images: 46


[Boards: 3 / a / aco / adv / an / asp / b / bant / biz / c / can / cgl / ck / cm / co / cock / d / diy / e / fa / fap / fit / fitlit / g / gd / gif / h / hc / his / hm / hr / i / ic / int / jp / k / lgbt / lit / m / mlp / mlpol / mo / mtv / mu / n / news / o / out / outsoc / p / po / pol / qa / qst / r / r9k / s / s4s / sci / soc / sp / spa / t / tg / toy / trash / trv / tv / u / v / vg / vint / vip / vp / vr / w / wg / wsg / wsr / x / y] [Search | Top | Home]
Please support this website by donating Bitcoins to 16mKtbZiwW52BLkibtCr8jUg2KVUMTxVQ5
If a post contains copyrighted or illegal content, please click on that post's [Report] button and fill out a post removal request
All trademarks and copyrights on this page are owned by their respective parties. Images uploaded are the responsibility of the Poster. Comments are owned by the Poster.
This is a 4chan archive - all of the content originated from that site. This means that 4Archive shows an archive of their content. If you need information for a Poster - contact them.