Did hitler and stalin have any chance to get along? hitler was

>>955175
"Socialism in One Country" is literally National Socialism, so yeah.

>>955175
No

What is Molotov Ribbentrop Pact

>>955188
>We aren't ready for war yet, so let's agree to put that off for a little while

>>955184
It becomes a problem when you decide that your "one country" actually extends beyond your borders.

>>955175
>both have left wing ideals
That is the most retarded thing I read today.

I'm not sure if this is an epin /his/ meme, but the Nazis weren't left wing.

As soon as Hitler came to power he had the socialists purged. The "socialist" in "national socialist" is as meaning full as the "democratic" in North Korea.

The Nazis and Commies hated each other, and while they cooperated on, for example, annexing Poland, it was as about as friendly as the U.S. and U.S.S.R. splitting up Germany during the Cold War.

>>955245
Virtually all the voter base the NSDAP had were former commies.

>>955260
The Nazis were rabidly anti-communist

>>955239
elaborate?
one's a commie
the other one's a national SOCIALIST

>>955269
They still pandered to the proletariat enough to have former commies make up their voter base. Watch the propaganda films Horst Wessel and Hitlerjunge Quex, they illustrate this phenomenon quite clearly.

>>955175
No
Literally Hitlers main goal (even more important than fight the jews) was to end bolshevism

>>955285
>Horst Wessel

I meant Hans Westmar, the NSDAP got more votes away from the KPD than any other party during 1933.

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>>955175
No. Hitler's goal was to expand Germany into European Russia and colonize it, regardless of whether it was Communist, Democratic, Fascist or Tsarist.The Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact was a temporary agreement that was based in realpolitik, not any sort of hope of peaceful coexistence.

>hitler was a socialist
Hitler was part of the right-wing faction of the NSDAP. Most of the actual socialists of the party, Strasser, Rohm et al, were murdered during the night of the long knives. Hitler abandoned any socialist principals in order to gain the support of the large businesses in Germany.

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>>955277
He adopted the socialist label because socialists were popular.

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>>955340
wrong pic

>>955315
Hitler would never attack imperial Russia, he would ally with them.

>>955175
>>955285
Pretty well every historian of merit agrees that the Nazis weren't socialists. They used proletariat symbolism, chic slogans, etc, to draw in the working class who wanted more workers' rights. The kind of people who consider Hitler to be a socialist are the same kind of people who think that Obamacare is socialism. Ie. they're beyond saving, they know not of what they speak, nor do they care to.

Pretty well the only way that the Nazis were socialists is the state seizure Jew wealth. Even then, because it's not indiscriminate it's not really socialism, it's just racism; and if we are going to be retards about discussing this, it's closer to being a component of their national wehrmacht project, as the seized wealth was more often than not used to fuel that project, and not equality adjustments or what have you. So it's only "socialism" if you really strain the definition of the word.

>>955374
Rohm and Strasser were definitely socialist.

>>955354
He would attack them because his entire political philosophy hinged on the notion that Germany did not have the land and resources necessary to feed itself and was thus always under threat from extinction. The only acceptable area for geographic expansion was to the east into Russia. It did not matter what form Russia was in, Hitler viewed it as an us vs. them scenario.

>>955398
Read MK again. He would NOT attack imperial Russia.

>>955398
Russian land is poopoo for farming. They had more than enough locally

>>955408
>what is the Ukraine

their conflict had nothing to do with economic beliefs anyway

>>955245
>dissolving our government for a new one isnt radical

The USSR was socialist though.

>>955175
>hitler was a socialist

you're so wrong it's painful

>>955221
True, hitler gave no shits about borders he was so far left he only cared about the race weather you were brit, german, dane or otherwise as long as you were ethnically german

>>955439
>Thinks of marxist socialism

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>>955175
>both have left wing ideals

>>955637
True.

Communism isn't real left wing.

>>955621
>Thinks fascism has any ideology let alone socialism

What socialist philosophers influenced Hitler?

>>955645
http://research.calvin.edu/german-propaganda-archive/haken32.htm

>>955653
> We are nationalists

Stopped reading there, no socialist theory likes nationalism

>>955408
black soil is everything but poop for farming

>>955260
>>955285
>>955388

The party started as a more syncretic party that combined left and right wing elements. As Hitler consolidated power over more than a decade he gradually removed any leftist elements other than empty slogans.

>>955388
Otto Strasser remained the most committed actual socialist, but his confrontation with Hitler ultimately led to all the remaining socialists to be drummed out of the party well before their accession to power (machtergreifung). Rohm was a brute who wanted wealth seized from those wealthy individuals who did not support Nazism from the get-go, but Hitler marginalized him and later had him and Strasser killed in 1934.

Not terribly long after Hitler joined the party, the party's mainstream ideology was always Hitlerism; the two became synonymous essentially after the Strasser brothers were drummed out of the party. Hitler was not interested in making private property public; he believed capitalism was ESSENTIAL because it mirrored his belief in survival of the fittest.

After his imprisonment one of his major political focuses was gaining the support of wealthy Germans and German corporations. He knew that making his party the strongest voice of anti-communism would solidfy this end. Many wealthy Germans supported other nationalist parties like Hugenbergs DNVP but switched over as the Nazis consolidated the national vote.

The Nazis could never be considered socialists because of their (1) belief in private property, (2) belief in social hierarchy and their (3) staunch declared anti-leftism.

Hitler often spoke about reclaiming the word "socialist" from the left-wing definition; he meant to use it as a way of defining the national community.

The idea that Hitler was left-wing is just desperate propaganda; anyone who has devoted ANY length of time to understanding Hitler and National Socialism know that German fascism is something fundamentally different.

>>955688
Oh dear.

We are nationalists because we see the nation as the only way to bring all the forces of the nation together to preserve and improve our existence and the conditions under which we live.


We are socialists because we see in socialism, that is the union of all citizens, the only chance to maintain our racial inheritance and to regain our political freedom and renew our German state.

For you cannot be a nationalist without being a socialist and you cannot be a socialist without being a nationalist, national socialism is real socialism. Not some marxist socialism of divide and conquer and hating the rich people just cos they're rich.

>>955721
Not the guy you're replying to you but do you actually consider yourself a National Socialist or are you quoting?

>>955740
Quoting.

I agree with alot of quotes, sentiment about removing class prejudices, unity, patriotism, being proud of yourself etc.

Just read that stuff on the website i linked and you'll see why people are sympathetic.

i'm probably something like national socialist syndicalist or something, a non racist version of national socialism.

>>955721
>hating the rich people just cos they're rich

There are actually people out there that think this is what socialists actually believe D:

>>955754
But communism tho?

Sure most modern day "socialists" are actually rich/middle class themselves

>>955642

Well, left and right is basically a spectrum.

Left = more government oversight
Right = less government oversight.

It's Socialism vs Libertarianism.

Either extreme is bad. But Hitler was very controlling and authoritarian. Just like Stalin. Hitler preferred corporations run themselves, and then the government can come in and take whatever it wants at any time. Stalin believe corporations should be government run. So that's really only ONE difference in their philosophy.

They were both left wing extremists...technically.

but no one talks in technicalities when it comes to politics. Everyone is a traditional tribal retard and uses whatever words the TV tells you to use. Because keep in mind, while Leftist extremism is bad, so is Right...ist.

slavery, abandoned cities and the poor, lawlessness...hell, even in those cases, the wealthy just end up taking control and becoming leftist.

Left and right are ideas. Governments don't shift left and right. People do. Governments are basically trying to prevent themselves from reaching point 0 (total anarchy), and try to move away from that naturally. This is equated to move "left", but really means nothing outside of scholarly discussions and propaganda.

>>955757
communists don't hate the rich, they accept that the rich act in their own self interest and that interest needs to be taken over by the working class to create a more equal society

>>955771
The left right spectrum sucks probably made up by the joos to divide and conquer (/s or am i? :S).

Or. its actually a circle as alot of things come around with the "left" hating bankers, the 1% etc. but then... so did the nazis. Equally right wingers sometimes go to left wingers like me, i a long time considered myself right wing, evil tory scum type, but then "redpilled" oneself.

Which is why "there is a third position".

>>955771
>Left = more government oversight

Then explain real communism. You're mixing up liberalism with leftism. Socialism in the real sense is worker control leading to communism which is stateless

>>955787
>The left right spectrum sucks probably made up by the joos to divide and conquer (/s or am i? :S).
Actually the left-right spectrum is a remnant of the French Revolutions, where conservatives\monarchists\constitutionalists sat on the right side of a room and liberals\republicans\revolutionaries sat on the left.

Left and right are just shorthand for liberal and conservatives.

>>955771
>Left = more government oversight
>Right = less government oversight.

Oh christ

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>>955789
>liberalism=more government oversight

>>955816
Yeah i know about the original origins but i feel its just being exploited to pit people against each other and place them into camps. Just like class.

Hence you can see what attracts me to national socialism

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gzkqbAm7iyQ

>>955771
> I'm Highschool American With an Interest in Political Science: The Post

>>955826
trying to apply it to a 1 dimension line

the political compass is better but then are you up or down?

>>955771
Really if you want the origin of the term

Left= past was shit lets do something new

Right= Past was great and then you stupid lefties ruined everything, lets go back to what we did then

and following this sometimes the left is right and sometimes the right is right, the topic doesn't really matter Its subjective
Free Speech was once something the 'left' wanted and the 'right' wanted to prevent
Now its something the 'right' wants to protect and the 'left' wants to get rid of

>>955175
>National Socialism is a left wing ideology

When will this meme die

>>958186
>what is strasserism

>>955175

Stalin would have been fine with Germany if Germany let them take more territory, but Hitler wanted Soviet territory.

But Stalin would have most likely back stabbed Hitler if he knew he could have gotten away with it.