What are examples of effective, objectively good dictatorships

Alexander the Great
Napoleon Bonaparte
Augustus Caesar

Napoleon, whom Reinhard was partially based on

Muammar Gaddafi

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>>865563
I thought it was Alexander the Great.

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Josip Tito

>>865559
Konrad Adenauer

>>865579
Various people, desu

>>865559
Barrack Obama

>>865559
>objective good

>>865607
>autocrats

>>865579
He's an amalgamation of great figures. In the invasion of the Empire and subsequent invasion he was most certainly not Napoleon.
No one in logh is a specific character, but a representation of an archetype.

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Charles de Gaulle.

Cincinnatus

>>865611
Reinhard, though fictional, is objectively good. He did away with persecuting his own citizens that the Goldenbaum dynasty did.

>>865612
>implying that's not what I meant

Hitler

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>>865638
>"In my opinion persecuting citizens is good"

Refute this, oh wait you can't, because it's subjective

>>865593
This is somehow accurate

>>865559
TITO
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>>865668
It doesn't matter what you think, it's what the author intends of the audience to see.

>>865672
>"Objectively good"
The whole point of the series is that democracy is not objectively good or objectively bad

>>865690
The whole point of the series is that there is no point.

>>865559
Singapore

>>865702
How did you get nihilism out of LOTGH?

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>>865708
Not him, but democracy had its flaws, and no matter how perfect Reinhard was, he too was flawed and so was his autocracy. Doesn't matter.

>>865714
Sure. I still don't see where the nihilism comes from, especially from a Yangaboo.

>>865717
It's simply that neither system is inherently good or bad so don't worry about it senpai.

>>865736
"There is no point" is a stupid way to say that, just sayin'

what show is this pls respond

>>865738
True. Especially here.

>>865752
The Legend of Galactic Heroes

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>>865752
Space Prussians: the Musical

Dictators usually come with caveats (They were good, if you ignore x, y, and z bad shit)
But Lee Kuan-Yew was totally based

>>865824
You can say the same for any regime, desu senpai.

I really can't think of a single example of a leader or government body that never made a single mistake or did a single thing wrong.

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find a flaw

>>865965
He was Turkish

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>>865824
>But Lee Kuan-Yew was totally based

>>865559
Frederick the Great

Rudolf was Caesar?

>>865559
>objectively

every dictatorship is controversial

>>865667
>Country got split in two with the whole population screwed over and kept the economy on a thin string throughout his entire leadership
>objectively good

Tito
Literally the least amount of du to cry dindu about.
Kept his country Stable and successful with a relatively large amount of freedom. Also he gained control by being a badass who led the liberation of his country from a foreign nation which is a plus.

Napoleon
Relatively clean record, genuis , stood by a lot of the revolutionary principles and presided over unprecedented success for France.

Alexander
Need I say more?

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>>866115
>Frederick the Great

Even more so his father, Frederick William.

>>866089
yup

>>866598
>Pinochet
Chile was utter shit under his reign and everyone fucking hates him there now

this gook show is sick they are like space austrians

>>866612
The economic policies that made Chile great would've never happened without him though. Terrible man, but the system needed to be shocked.

>>866632
Pinochet actively fucked the economy though. The reforms that make it not so bad today had to be made in spite of his legacy nothe because of it. I would've rather seen Allende follow through with Cybersyn if we're just going to applaud them for trying.

>>865965
Too autistic in his anti-theism. Abolishing the caliphate arguably allowed the rise of Wahhabism that we see today.

>>866614
oy vey

Pre-70s Ceaușescu.

>>866612
Not from my experience. He's controversial, but far from universally hated like many former dictators are. There just seems to be a ton of animosity over him "ruining" the revolution.

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>>865559
He didn't make the best Korea, but he was close.

>>865559
Napoleon might be the greatest dictator ever, not because of military success but rather his law codes

>>866089
he was a jew

>>865561
Alexander was a brilliant general, not nearly as brilliant a national leader.

>>865561
But none of those were objectively good and barely held a reign as a leader.

>>865627
>objectively good

>>865559
Nebuchadnezzar
Darius the Mede
Cyrus the Persian
Artaxerxes Longimus

>>865559
>objectively good
No

>>866730
If the arabs would care about the caliphate they wouldn't have rebelled anyway.

>>868750
>>868756
same fucking fag

>>866089
Actually Bosnian Balkan nigger

He was based

>>865561
>>865563
>>865567
Shit taste.

>>865582
>>865589
>>865628
Good taste.

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>>870126
nope.

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Hammurabi

>>870646
Cincinnatis is a mythical figure

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>>865667
Hitler did what the smart do best and used segregation to fuel his ambition and then fizzled out like the pathetic fucking joke he was. Sociopaths and tyrants have been using us vs them for thousands of years to take power for themselves. It always ends terribly for people like Hitler and Trump. Everyone suffers in the wake of their selfish desires.

>>865796
Thats a great title.

>>866730
caliphate had no authority. it isnt like muslims care about their religious institutes. its as realpolitik as it gets. go read a short history of islam, the way muslims behave and power relations stand are very tribal. take this as an unbiased opinion of a muslim.

>>870858
Care to explain more?

>>870864
when european or american people think about caliphate they imagine a catholic system like it was in europe but though there are natural similarities islam is a religion that insists it's text on how state is run and instills a state authority on people (it may get a bit different at schism on shia part but i dont know that side much)


So muslim rulers (quite oligarchic as lower classes are much more servient) from tradition has always cared about what they could gain from religion like any good ruler would. At the start of caliphate stuff they didnt even care about their prophet's wife and household. They were with prophet for the loot and they always went for the loot as good bedouins would. (i may be quite biased at this though, but that part doesnt have any decent historical evidence and couldnt possibly have, its storylike anyway)

So strong people clashed to have caliphate and it's authority under them and it went on and on like this. Ottomans slaughtered their own kin (they were also Turks) for the caliphate. kek. absolute madman.

Going to add that its said that Mamluks were straying away from religion and putting their leader's name before Allah or smth but its most likely war propaganda.

Also Ataturk, by abolishing caliphate aimed that his country would get closer to civilization and would be free of bedouin influence that would make us weaker and decadent. He also thought Turkey as an ideal country that would enlighten the eastern world in its own way, be an example and etc. i do support him on nearly everything, the guy is an unparalleled genius. read Grey Wolf by H. C. Armstrong if you want to know about him.

>>865559
Frederick.
Cyrus?
Maybe Tito too.
Arguably Napoleon.
I can't really think of any more. It's pretty fucking rare without huge ambiguity, unsurprising considering the nature of what it is.

>>866730
>abolishing caliphate allow the rise of wahhabism
Wahhabite get their way long before death of Ottoman caliphate. Hell, we get wahhabi inspired war as far as Sumatra almost a century before the fall of Caliphate.

>>865559
Necessarily not. "Objective" good is a ludicrous concept. Read Hume.

>>865654
You must be retarded then

Napoleon III.

>inb4 "muh Sedan"

Where can I stream or download LOTGH?

>>872173
bakabt.me

>>865679
>>865582
+1 Tito

>>872193
Thanks, but there are no seeds. Torrent is kill.

Dang leechers.

>>872248
kat or tpb nub

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>>872248
According to the peerlist on the site there are like 20 people seeding right now. Try nyaa.se if you really can't get that torrent to work.

>>869365
>Longimus
We can argue about names all day long, but that epithet is spelled objectively wrong.

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>>872283
nyaa.se has one seed, thanks. The other torrent is completely dead though and the webpage it came from is a liar.

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>>872173
everything is on youtube.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9ktgN80MP4&list=PL79E5a0wBpi63v5gPBgCXSZocon5ZzTlP

>>872431
Thanks, fampei.

Charles 1st did what he thought was best for people and tried to get peace in Europe
Only Puritans and propaganda made him lose it

Kim Jong un is omnibenevolent he is greatest man on earth, but he no man he is the supreme leader
Silly South Koreans think we have labour camps, people choose to go there as they don't want to go to gym and see supreme leader abs blind them

>>866650
t. Jorge Baradit

kill yourself commie

>>870841
Same as ceaser

You can't objectively analyze hitler in the allied nations it's still too fresh

>>872173
Don't Legend of the Galactic Heroes is not good. However you're going to ignore me anyway so here's some pointers:

>You can ignore the whole Reuhental and Rubinsky storylines. Rubinsky's storyline ends with him dying alone and all his alluded to planning and plotting genius summing up to shit and dick, Reuhental's ends with him dying after rebelling because plots and intrigue and not wanting to be the Terraist's pawn. So one's a big waste of time the other is retarded.

>Yang Wenli dies and is replaced in the story by his uncharismatic fuckboi, the little blonde fag. He goes on to win through a narrative asspull of him going on a suicide mission and "earning the emperor's respect" by fainting in front of him. The entirety of the Rosen Ritters die.

>There's tons of exposition, no I'm serious, TONS of exposition, there's at least 10 minutes of it per episode. It's all broken up but it's still boring as hell. For a visual medium this is is an inexcusable sin.

>Every single battle in the anime looks the same, don't believe me? Go on the wiki and find the battle section and look them up in Youtube, they'll all look the same.

>that exposition I was talking about? Tends to come up during the political sections. So they not only made the battles boring they made the politics boring too.

>the change in animation styles will be jarring and happen without warning, literally from scene to scene not even between episodes, prepare yourself for it.

>there's 110 episodes of this shit, and no, the quality at no point improves

Go to /a/ and ask for the guide that says what episodes you need to watch to understand the story and just watch those if you *really* like them watch the rest. Seriously overrated anime on 4chan this is mostly because it's not bad it's just boring as all hell so the fags that like it are vocal about it and the guys that don't just ignore it.

>>874854
Please delete your post.

This is why /his/ needs spoiler tags, so little faggots don't go around yelling

>BRUTUS KILLS CAESAR

and ruining history for the rest of us

>>874868
Nah

>>874854
You can add to this that there's no world building at all. Not even a little, every planet is just another Earth and no details are said about any of them. Not even the two main power blocks are explained in detail as far as economic systems and production capabilities or main corporations go, it's all just left up in the air.

So if that's your thing with sci fi look somewhere else.

>>865668
Your claim to having an opinion such that.
"In my opinion persecuting citizens i good"
cannot be refuted; it is in fact an opinion and your claim to ownership is your inalienable right.

However, persecution's goodness can be detached from your opinion and even from it's object 'citizens'.

So the objective nature of persecution can be determined in terms either related or unrelated to your opinion.

However, taking a stab at it,

If your opinion is that persecuting citizens is good, you must persecute (disagree with) yourself as a citizen or renounce your citizenship.

As such the position is untenable.

By contrast, the opposite opinion, that persecution is bad. Does not carry such a contradiction.

>Opinion Refuted

Hadrian?
Trajan?
Diocletian?

>>874854
What if I think Gundam Wing is the best in the series? Will I like LOTGH then?

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>>877049
Definitely. It's a bunch of political maneuvering occasionally punctuated by a battle.

>>877076
Cool beans.