How likely would this had occurred during WW2? Why didn't

Uvf would have routed Irish forces single handedly and occupied Dublin within a week.

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>>819201

>>819225
So then Britain occupies Ireland, wouldn't that anger the Irish populace massively? Would it then become a guerilla warfare situation?

Your alt-history is very unlikely because Ireland would never be able to go on the offensive consistently towards the British.

The Irish have '0' navy, for Ireland to be important in a way similier to how you described Hitler would have already needed to have control of the channel and the straights of dover so he could move supplies to and from the island.

By that point though, a independant Ireland is a mute point; they would be no more independant then facist hungary.

>>819201

If Ireland formed a pro-German bent somehow (and I'm not up on the political situation there at the time) you're not going to see Britain backing down and giving up territorial concessions. They're just going to occupy Ireland, the way they did for Iraq and Iran on way, way less immediate threats of pro-German sentiment.

>>819247

Quite possibly, but guerilla warfare over an at most 6 year lifespan isn't going to cause any fatal blows. It'll force the commitment of a certain level of force to keep a lid on things and that will be that.

>>819225
>Uvf would have routed Irish forces single handedly and occupied Dublin within a week.

>>UVF
lel, no. The British army would but the UVF barely even existed then, and were complete clowns anyway.

>>819201
The Irish government in WW2 was very pro-german, and while not full on Nazi it had a lot of the ideological aspects of fascism, like the reflexive authoritarianism (the catholic church probably had more control over day-to-day life in Ireland than the Nazi party did in Germany), and the scape-goating of a minority religious group (protestants and to a lesser extent Jews).

Do you why they didn't invade Northern Ireland and reclaim it? Because the Brits weren't fucking stupid. They had several divisions stationed in northern Ireland, ready to invade the republic at the drop of a hat if there was any trouble south of the border - be it republican forces attempting to reconquer the north, or more likely a German attempt to land troops on the island.

And in any war between Britain and the Irish republic, the regular republican forces would be been crushed. Utterly. No contest.

>wouldn't that anger the Irish populace massively?
I think if the republic did something to provoke invasion, like trying to reclaim the north or inviting in German troops, then the population might well blame their leadership more.

>Would it then become a guerilla warfare situation?
who gives a shit? The Brits certainly wouldn't, not if the alternative was having Germans, or German allies, trying to attack them from behind. Guerilla warfare is a thing these days because we live in relatively peaceful times and the most powerful countries in the world aren't willing to pay the price in blood to secure a conquest. In the context of WW2, however, irish guerilla activity would have just been a minor annoyance. In the entire 30 years of the IRAs guerilla war in Northern Ireland, a little over 700 British military personnel were killed. In ww2 terms, that's not even a week's casualties for Britain.

How were the Nazi's supposed to provide arms for the Irish Nationalists?
They could barely provide enough weapons for the Wehrmacht with the combined arsenals of Austria, Czechoslovakia, Poland, France, Belgium, Norway, etc.

And why would the Irish risk lives attacking British clay beyond Northern Ireland? Once Northern Ireland is secured the Irish are pretty useless allies to the Nazis.

>>819225
>UVF
Toppest of keks, UVF are bottom-feeder tier shit and were below average at best at their peak. Couldn't fight their way out of a paper bag family.

Did Ireland actually care about the north at that point? I thought that only came later on.

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>>819544
>America lost 1 million and a half causalities in Iraq and Afghanistan


PPL ARNT WLLNG TO PY BLDCST!!!
DD

>>819591
There was a civil war in Ireland immediately after independence between the guys who wanted to keep fighting until they had the north as well, and the guys who want to quit while they were ahead. They latter group won, but you can bet plenty of people weren't happy with making peace with the UK while part of the island was still occupied. But of course, during WW2 everyone had much bigger problems, not least the fact that the UK would reoccupy the Ireland if the Republic so much as looked funny at them. It was touch and go as to whether they would do it just as a precaution.

>>819562
The Germans might have had trouble keeping up tank output and aircraft manufacturing, but they never had any trouble producing enough small arms. A couple of submarine loads could easily have equipped a guerilla force (after all, that's exactly what happened during WW1).

Germany did send a ship full of guns in WW1 and the irish fucked up

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>>819624
>American deaths in Iraq, 2003 - 2014
4,491

>American deaths in Afghanistan 2001 - 2014
2,356

you know what, I know you're probably a troll but if you're not I'm genuinely curious how you came up with that figure

>>819640
As far as I know the Civil War was fought more over Ireland's status as a dominion of the British Empire (as opposed to a true Republic like the anti-Treaty forces wanted) rather than the occupation of the North, which most people at the time assumed was only a temporary situation anyway.

>>819669
Casualties includes wounded, no matter how slightly, as well as deaths.

>>819544
Catholic Nazis
Catholic Irish
Catholic Brown shirts

See the common problem?

>>819677
The total amount of wounded isn't even 120k.

>>819673
yeah, that was a big part of it as well, as well as the fact that the british monarch was still the head of state. As to the relative importance of each factor, well, that was probably specific to the individual anti-treaty fighter.

>>819677
including all the wounded only brings the total to around 65k

the US actually only had around 150k troops in Iraq and Afghanistan together at any one time, meaning they would have had to take 1000% casualties in order to reach the 1.5 mil figure. Seriously, where did you get that from?

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>>819201
jesus fucking christ /pol/ can you do anything with your time except shitty hypothetical threads about how the nazis "could have won if only they where as smart as me"
just accept the fact that your asshole of a totalitarian state is dead

>>819721
Er, I was just clearing up that casualties =/= deaths.

>>819201
Irish rebelled during WW1 and it didn't change anything.

>>819624
>>819669
He almost certainly confused the Iraqi and Afghan casualties for the US casualties.

>>819750
sry, assumed you were
>>819624

>>819742
>they're everywhere, I tell you. /pol/ is everywhere
honestly, I'm starting to be more annoyed with /pol/ paranoia on /his/ than I am with Jew paranoia on /pol/. Also, OP is clearly some sort of plastic paddy looking for a way that Ireland can defeat the evil British empire.

>>819201
>terrorises its populace with bombings, destroying British morale

>ww2
>bombings
>destroying British morale.
Do you have any idea what the Luftwaffe did to Britain during WW2? Well, clearly not, but you should probably read up on it.

>>819772
well, it changed a lot, just not through actual military victory

>>819772
>didn't change anything
It was one o f the most important rebellions in irish history,
Because it was the only one that built popular support

>>819690
Back to /pol/ please

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>>819225

>>822002
its a bit misleading to put it like that. The rebellion itself got next to no popular support. It was the British crackdown that followed which stoked nationalist sentiment

>>819772
>>821948
>>822002
>>822295
The rebels themselves did nothing. They were booed at and insulted while reading the proclamation beforehand and the british soldiers had to protect them from the crowds in dublin after they surrendered because people were ready to kill them for the damage they caused to the city
However the Brits reacted badly and people changed their minds afterwards

Britain actually offered Irish re-unification in return for Ireland joining the Allies. De Valera refused the offer. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_neutrality_during_World_War_II#Offer_to_end_the_Partition_of_Ireland_in_1940 for a brief overview.

>>819201
>>through espionage work, Germany builds support for a party sympathetic to Nazism in Ireland
the Irish arent scumbags like the Germans so a party like that wouldnt have gotten off the ground

>>822777
pretty much yeah

the thing which turned public opinion was the subsequent heavy handed execution of the rebels for treason

>>823638
the blueshirts were relatively popular

>>819829
paranoia implies we are afraid of the /pol/tards

we arent afraid of them we are sick of their crappy threads and incessant shitposting

>>823638
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Kn05D4xKlc

The only way Ireland would play a sucesfull role as an Axis power would be after the execution of Operation Sealion, if there's no German boots on the ground Ireland would be absolutely decimated by British forces in Northern Ireland (more than the entire military as Ireland followed a strictly neutral policy in that they wouldn't actively fight any wars), while the RAF would quickly establish arial superiority, even more so if the Battle of Britain has already been won, unless British forces are scrambling to hold of German landings Ireland would be a quick fly to be squashed, as for the whole pro-Nazi party, a more likely scenario would be Ireland coverty aligning with the Axis powers in return for secession of German occupied Ulster, allowing the Kriegsmarine and Luftwaffe to operate in Ireland increasing their north Atlantic range.

>muh neutral Ireland

Have irishfags ever, ever been relevant?

>shit tier warriors
>shit tier politics
>shit tier "kings"
>shit tier culture
>never even united

Why anyone is proud to be irish is beyond me.