>WE WUZN'T ROMANS >DUDE ORTHODOXY LMAO Why were the

I have no idea why anyone today would cling desperately to some 1000 year old narrative. from some time and place that has nothing to do with them.

>>805704
>narrative
it's simply the truth

I have no idea why anyone would so vehemently attack the truth, must be turks

>>805670
Absolutely the opposite of what actually happened. The Byzantines claimed they were the true heirs of Rome (which they were culturally and socially), a claim contested by the West thanks to the Holy Roman Empire.

>>DUDE ORTHODOXY LMAO
>implying that wasn't much more common in the Middle Ages

>>805709
>heirs
it isn't about heirs, they literally WERE the Roman Empire
at least the Eastern portion

>>805707
See what I mean, "Turks", these people just communicate in memes, who even cares. Move on.

>>805720
turks are a meme?
claiming everything to be a meme is a meme in and of itself, so fuck off to s4s nigger

I honestly see no other reason to attack the bare truth in such a fashion despite a severe lack of historical knowledge

>>805720
Turk detected :^)

But they were Romans, and Orthodoxy is part of a distinct culture that was kept alive by Byzantium and which has died (aside from Orthodoxy) since its fall.

Do you think that anyone who takes pride in their heritage and religion is a special snowflake?

>>805709
They identified themselves as ethnic Greeks and spoke Hellenic languages rather than Latin.

>>805728
The Byzantine tradition of an autocratic Orthodox society has lived on, albeit super bastardized, in the Russian and Serbian political climate

>>805733
the majority of the Empire didn't speak Latin and weren't ethnically Roman or even Italic though

>>805741
I've always wondered why Russia and other Slavic nations adopted Orthodoxy when they weren't part of the Byzantine Empire.

>>805741
>super bastardized
So much so that the only surviving element of that tradition is Orthodoxy. Postmodern Tsarism is a consequence of Bolshevism. If the Tsar had never been eliminated, the Eastern European autocratic tradition actually would have survived

why is it called byzantium?

>>805780
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saints_Cyril_and_Methodius
Cyrillic alphabet itself was born out of missionary purposes.

>>805802
Constantinople was founded on the ancient greek city of Byzantium/Byzantion and some french scholars thought they were being uber clever by calling it such
like calling the ERE the Nicaean Empire after the fourth crusade when the 'capital' was changed to Nice

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What's with the sudden increase of shitposting threads about Byzantine lately?

>>805733
>They identified themselves as ethnic Greeks
They identified themselves as both Greeks AND Romans. Both are valid because they are descended from Greeks and are also Roman citizens.

>>805670
Byzantine/Eastern Roman Empire stoped being Roman after the end of the 7th century when they officially went from Latin to Greek. That's the end of it.

>>805866
>Language alone determines identity

>>805866
t. Enrico Pollini

>>805873
Its a strong indicator of cultural identity, so yes.

>>805874
t. shitposter

>>805878
>they aren't Roman cuz I said so!
Go to sleep, Enrico.

>>805878

>Cultural identity is the only thing that matters in determining whether or not a legal entity is an offshoot of another legal entity

>>805780
Same reason why Bohemia became part of HRE, and had no archbishop of their own, just a bishop that had to answer to German archbishop.

It's all about who chrystianized whom. Which is why Croatians are Catholic, while Serbs are Orthodox.

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Byzantiboos vs Anti-Byzantiboos is my favorite matchup here on the /his/.

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>>805906
somebody needs to edit Doomguy as a Byzantine soldier and the demons as every enemy Byzantium has faced

>>805883
>no rebuttal

>>805888
Stay mad, Stephanoupluos.

>>805933
So Doom guy getting wrecked and badly mauled against every enemy?

>>805933
Who's the backup Doomguy running over, the Pope?

>>805966
>hurr Byzantium so shit
over 1100 years m8

>>805975
WRE

>>805791

Russia's autocratic tendencies survived the fall of the Empire and informed the Bolshevik government. The Byzantine Emperorship wasn't really a hereditary monarchy, if anything the only real element missing in that sense from Bolshevik despotism is the Divine Mandate.

So if the Byzantine identity can be expressed as an Orthodox Autocrat ruling by Divine Right, modern Russia fills 2/3 of the role. Separation of church and state is a shit

>>805986
Over 1100 years of constantly getting their teeth kicked by Arabs, Turks, and Mongols and barely surviving with a territory that was continuously shrinking?

Yeah sure mate.

>>805997
>Separation of church and state
There you go, that's what made the Eastern autocratic tradition unique: the absolute union of church and state. Without that (lost to Bolshevism) I don't see it.

>>806012
As opposed to what, a rapidly shrinking empire?

>>806012
>Arabs
You mean like how the Byzantines were exhausted by the years of warfare against the Sassanids while the the Arabs were fresh? Also, they failed to take Constantinople and couldn't even press onwards to Anatolia
>Turks
Manzikert was a logistical failure, relying on mercenaries was what fucked the Byzantines over. Still, the Seljuks got their asses whooped as well, see Alexios' reign
>Mongols
literally never confronted the Byzantines

>>806049
>A rapidly shrinking empire
That's pretty much what the Byzantines were most of their history.

>>806056
>Arabs
Took over half ERE's territory and wiped out several Byzantine armies that outnumbered Arab forces typically 3 to 1.
>Seljuks got their asses whooped
Seljuks took most of what remained of Anatolia and the Caucaus from the Byzantines and landed the death blow on that rotting empire, Byzaboo.

>>806068
>Took over half ERE's territory and wiped out several Byzantine armies that outnumbered Arab forces typically 3 to 1.
Outnumbering forces doesn't mean shit when your troops' morale is down the drain because of an extremely long period of warfare. Meanwhile the Arabs were fresh on their conquests and were already taking advantage of that.
>Seljuks took most of what remained of Anatolia and the Caucaus from the Byzantines
The Byzzies were still living despite losing a huge chunk of Anatolia.

>>806068
It's quite fascinating how the Arabs were able to absolutely smash THE 2 superpowers of Western Asia.

>muh exhaustion

Dgaf Arabs were outnumbered almost every time.

>>806094
>Outnumbering forces don't mean shit
When they are battle hardened veterans of a previous war and not simple peasants or conscripted levies? Yes they do. Want to know a fun fact? Despite the Sassanids suffering from a major plague that wiped out half their population, multiple civil wars over the throne, and losing more then the Byzantines, they lasted longer in the initial conflict with the Caliphate Arabs. The Byzantine force sin the Levant were so badly mauled that Heraclius had to suspend all military activity by mid 636 while the Persians fought on for another 15 years before falling.

I'm not impressed.
>The Byzzies were still living despite losing a huge chunk of Anatolia.
And your point? They were barely surviving, not thriving. And most of the time they got their shit kicked in by various Turkic peoples and tribes more often then not.

>>806099
Arabs were outnumbered, that doesn't mean their constant claims of Byzantine and Persian forces numbering 100,000 in every major battle is true and most of their accounts of both sides military manpower tend to be grossly exaggerated.

And yes, the Byzantines and Persians were both exhausted, economically weak, and the later had a major plague wreck through its entire territory for over 7 years that killed around half the population.

These are the factors that contributed to Islam's ascendence.

>>806120
yep

>>806099
>disease and flooding wrecks most of the most fertile croplands and farmlands in Persian Mesopotamia
>wipes out a huge chunk of Sassanid Empire's population
>most of the top military commanders and generals were dead and the Sassanid family is barely down to a half dozen women and young children by the time little Yadezegerd III is crowned ruler
>Sassanids and Byzantines going through a nearly 30 year long war in North Africa, Levant, Mespotamia, Caucaus, Europe, and Asia and both losing most of their huge manpower wasn't a factor either
>"N-none of this is relevant, Arabs were just GOAT!r"

>>806120
Araboos are in full force today.

>When they are battle hardened veterans of a previous war and not simple peasants or conscripted levies?
Nigger, being hardened veterans doesn't mean that they were oblidged to fight yet another war after a long one before with many casualties. For example, remember when Alexander wanted to press forward to India but couldn't becuse his troops were already exhausted from the war DESPITE being succesful in every battle?

>And most of the time they got their shit kicked in by various Turkic peoples and tribes more often then not.
Only the Seljuks managed to do that, all other Turkic tribes that faced the Byzantines have disappeared without a trace. Where are the Avars, the Pechenegs, the Cumans, etc?

>>806176
>Araboos
Nope.
>*snip*
That's not a rebuke, that's your baseless speculation and an irrelevant comparison that doesn't merit existing in the first place.

>Where are the Avars
>Pechenges
>Cumans
Same place the Bulgarians and Hungarians and the Magyars and their kin are. :^)

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>>806204
>Bulgarians

>>805718
>The Eastern portion
>Not centered on Rome
>Centered on Byzantium

>>805670

you are retarded, they viewed themselves as the last continuation of the roman empire, as did their enemies

Orthodoxy was the first western embraced Christianity, but the power players in rome wanted their own variant to control... pope not emperor okay?

>>805741
Russia Third Rome
Tsar true Caesar
Moscovy primacy
Xaxaxaxaxaxaxaxa
Butthurt hellene

>>806266
>byzantium existing as a city

>>805933
I don't remember giving the demons my lunch money to leave me alone in Doom.

>>805961
>Stay mad
Not an argument. Not even partially Greek, I'm Roman Catholic.

>>806289
What are you implying? That Byzantium wasn't a city?

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>theodosius splits the roman empire in half
>the western half doesn't survive the century
>the east does
>the east continues and develops culturally and carries the legal tradition of the roman empire
>LOL GREEKS PAY DENBTS AND GET REKT BY MEHMED HRE TRUE ROME NOT GREEK

>>807998
The city is Constantinople idiot, and Constantine relocated the capital of the united empire to Constantinople

The situation is pretty fucking simple guys. Rome was divided into two portions, east and west, with different emperors. They were both Roman. The West falls and the East remains. For some reason dumbasses think this means the East are no longer Roman despite the people themselves acting and considering themselves Roman.

Its like some no-true-roman argument.

>>805866
But all of the patricians in Rome spoke Greek

>>806268
>Orthodoxy was the first western embraced Christianity
No, that would be Arianism. Constantine was Arian

>>808004
>Istanbul was Constantinople
>Therefore Constantinople was always Constantinople

They're called the Byzantines because their politics were really complex

>>808010
I wish this meme would die.

>>806187
>Same place the Bulgarians and Hungarians and the Magyars and their kin are. :^)

No, you fucking retard.

The avars, for one, are DEAD.The Byzantines fucking broke them, and then arranged for allies to maul them so badly that the remnants of a once-might people can be traced to ONE village in hungary.

One. Total.


Do you know WHY these people were allowed to survive there?
Because the empire didn't care. Not their monkeys, not their circus. Had they fel that they posed any threat once settled on the Hungarian plain, they'd have induced other nomads to massacre them, as they so often did.

>>808008
It's buttmad Turks shitposting here because they get called roaches on /pol/

this board desperately needs flags

>>805975
Doomguy is the one looking at the other two getting mauled. Look at the gun at the bottom.

>>808085
>The avars, for one, are DEAD
[citation required]
Their descendants are noted as settling and mixing with Bulgarians, Hungarians and Slavic peoples in Panonia.
>The Byzantines broke them
No that was the Bulgarians, liar.

>>808152
Nope. That gun belongs to the demon on the right. You can see several other demons with the left hand replaced by a gun.

>>808010
Bullshit.

>>806266

You mean Constantinople, New Rome, a city ruled by Roman citizens, garrisoned by Roman soldiers, that was the legal capital of the Eastern Empire?