>tfw you really miss Modernism in art and media >tfw you

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What was the best modernist movement and why was it Art Deco?

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>>402083

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>art deco

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_sBZdSHAIZI

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>>402087

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>>401787
Modernism is still prevalent in graphic design. It's like it was made for it.

>>401787
Remodernism is a thing.

As is digimodernism, transmodernism, altermodernism, post-postmoderism, metamodernism, and neomodernism.

>>402937

Always weirds me out how many people claim that we have left the post-modernist age and invent a silly name for their new special snowflake age.
Post-modernism was born out of existential shifts in culture and mankind-wide trauma, yet somehow "it's too old and not trendy anymore" would be enough to get rid of it.

>>402994
Time will tell

>>402994
“The next real literary “rebels” in this country might well emerge as some weird bunch of anti-rebels, born oglers who dare somehow to back away from ironic watching, who have the childish gall actually to endorse and instantiate single-entendre principles. Who treat of plain old untrendy human troubles and emotions in U.S. life with reverence and conviction. Who eschew self-consciousness and hip fatigue. These anti-rebels would be outdated, of course, before they even started. Dead on the page. Too sincere. Clearly repressed. Backward, quaint, naive, anachronistic. Maybe that’ll be the point. Maybe that’s why they’ll be the next real rebels. Real rebels, as far as I can see, risk disapproval. The old postmodern insurgents risked the gasp and squeal: shock, disgust, outrage, censorship, accusations of socialism, anarchism, nihilism. Today’s risks are different. The new rebels might be artists willing to risk the yawn, the rolled eyes, the cool smile, the nudged ribs, the parody of gifted ironists, the “Oh how banal.” To risk accusations of sentimentality, melodrama. Of overcredulity. Of softness. Of willingness to be suckered by a world of lurkers and starers who fear gaze and ridicule above imprisonment without law. Who knows. ”

― David Foster Wallace, "E Unibus Pluram: Television and U.S. Fiction"

Good thread.

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>>401787

i miss modernism in politics and economic logic

i long for living in a system

>faith in inevitable human progress

>>403254
Isn't it called meliorism?

>>401787
>>402994
We are still basically experiencing a form of Modernism.

All the classifications of "the next thing after (post)modernism", "x-modernism", "y-modernism" can be viewed as Modernism reacting to itself and continuing some sort of adaptive process away from the traditional (now "the present") through "era n+1" toward something new. In other words: Modernism undergoing a kind of progressive/adaptive process itself is Modernism at work. Maybe this was a necessary adaptive response due to the blows dealt to Modernism by the world wars.

As some early critics of modern thought pointed out, progress doesn't deal in specific ideas which can be argued with. Instead, it is about a continuous process of producing "new! better!" things which are supposed to be more adapted to the current year. This process cleverly uses metaphors associated with space (backwards... forwards... beyond... above...) or time (old... new... traditional... modern...) to avoid the need to justify change in concrete terms (which could be true or false, good or bad, etc). The result of this is that anything that succeeds/lives/prospers is progress, and anything that fails/dies/declines is not.

Anyway, it's 2015, why aren't you a metamodernist yet?

>>402994
What is post-modernism exactly?

>>403372

dude, dont, dont ask such questions, its, just... no, dont, just, dont

>>403181
I can see this happening already.

For example, opinions on immigration/home culture being pretty straight forward and sincere, or a desire for truth in a sea of dueling propagandist narratives from every venue of dialog you can imagine.

>>402099
This is an interesting case of recent Art Deco. As I recall, it's only 10 or so years old. I've been there though, and it actually doesn't look like a cheap knock-off.

>>403333
>Anyway, it's 2015, why aren't you a metamodernist yet?

I think I might be one...

>>403333
>>403520
My intuition tells me that there will probably be a return to objectivity that springs from the post-modernism(s). It might not be the positivism of the past, but I think intersubjectivity will be found wanting.

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>>403372
I've heard it defined as reaction or scepticism towards the grand narratives and ideas of modernism. Not an expert though.

>>402069
I like art nouveau better but deco's based

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>yfw 48:15 - 50:00

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C04JZsoqs1A

>>403372
It doesn't mean the same thing in every area. That is, the definiton of post modern art is different from that of post modern philosophy although they might share some basic tenets.

Anyway I too think we'll see a return to sincerity, at least in the arts, because at the end of the day it's a question of quality versus wit. There's a reason we still read Homer and I genuinely belive most postmodern art will quickly be forgotten by the next generations to come. The whole movement subverted itself from the start by appealing so much to references and cultural context.

>>403746
>art nouveau
Looks so fucking weird if you ask me. Art deco has some personality to it where you can see the impact of industry on culture. Too much of the art nouveau looks "trippy".

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>>403903
ersonnaly like art deco/streamliner more, you gotta admit Art Nouveau has an undeniable charm.

>>403915
Art nouveau looks like it's taken out of a fairy tale world. It looks superficial in a sense.

It can work though if it focuses on symmetry as well as the natural shapes that art nouveau is trying to depict. Art nouveau with a focus on symmetry, elegance, and minimalism would be awesome.

>>403915
I like both. Art Deco for its elegant simplicity, Art Nouveau because it looks so unreal.

They also represent two sides of the coin: Art Deco is industrial, Art Nouveau is nature, and yet one influenced the other.

>>403915
>>403746

Post more images of Art nouveau kind anons, I would really appreciate

The greatest example of Modernism on television was Miami Vice.

>tfw no more Modernist TV shows ;_;

>>403372

If you can summarize the plot of the Matrix trilogy and the story's attitude toward reality, you've just summarized post-modernism.

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>>402994
What if the next rebels are in fact Romantic revivalists taking the idea of an illogical romantic narrative and believing in it with absolute certainty and cognitive dissonance that produces an unmatched drive to alter their world rather than surrender to the nature of it?

[spoiler]Warning you are reading this Anon's silly fantasy.[/spoiler]

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If you think that's bad, try missing naturalism

>>404072

best MiMo on television

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BBBBBBOOMMMMMMMMMBARDAMENTOOOOOOOOO!!!!

Futurism coming through boys

>>401787
I always wondered how Brutalism and the international style "won" against the more decorative Art Deco and Art Nouveau/Jugendstil.

The latter seem much more aesthetic, timeless and pretty, as well as being more "comprehensive" and culturally grounded.

I'm an architecture pleb so feel free to educate me. Genuinely curious.

>>405963

Brutalism won mostly in USSR. US buildings with a few brutalist exceptions were very modernist, see most buildings related to the early space program.

The weirdest challenge to Modernism was Futurism. Futurism was always weird and creepy, not sure why 20th c. people saw optimism in it. House of the Future is kind of scary, so was the Olympics architecture recycled for the movie Rollerball. If you want to see the real horrors of futurism, look up Disney's original plan for Tomorrowland. That's some Beyond the Black Rainbow shit right there.

>>405898
futurism looked awesome, too bad their ideologies were basically shit.

>>405963
First, Brutalism didn't really win, today it is largely considered a failed experiment. It never planned to win in fact, it was born as an "urgency architecture" style to rebuild Eastern Europe after WWII quickly.

For the International Style, I'd say it was just a lot more easy to spread the world (it's not "international" for nothing) plus it's an efficient way to construct because it's grounded in science instead of culture. Also, note that this style was associated with Bauhaus and De Stijl, hated by the Axis and therefore automatically loved by the Allies.

I'm an industrial design major myself with only a side knowledge of architecture, so I might not be perfectly accurate.

>>406032

Remember the space nerd cult in the movie Dude, Where's My Car? That's futurism in a nutshell.

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>>406032
good answers thanks.

I knew about futurist art, and I've seen futurist buildings before but never knew what they were. It's easier to appreciate them now that i see the connection.

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