On 4chan I hear about the lack of achievements of the African

Honestly, in terms of innovation and relevance, Sub Saharan Africa is at the very bottom of the old world.

This was due to a number of factors, mainly the fact that it was separated physically from the rest of the civilized world, and most of the species of plant and animal that made agricultural life function didn't work in the lower latitudes.

>>367400
Greater than some, not as great as others

In the end it's largely subjective

>>367400
Depends. Axum was worse than Rome but better than Germany. Mali was worse than China but better than Kazakhstan

>>367451
This

Great zimbabwe and swahili kingdoms were pretty cool desu

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>>367400

>>367400
Mali was an "empire" compared to the surrounding shitholes, but even Luxembourg was more imperial than it

>>367400
Honestly, it's like what the other anons said. Overall Sub-Saharan Africa produced very little when it came to medicine, architecture, military. There are some exceptions though, such as Axum being similar in power to Rome and Persia.

>>368337
>Axum being similar in power to Rome and Persia.
One quote by a wannabe persian

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>>368337
>Axum being similar in power to Rome and Persia.

>>368329
Mali was an extensive group of states ruled by one supreme authority.

Nice bias.

>>368317

thats not what Carthaginians looked like

>Axum
>Black
No.

Their biggest contribution which is often ascribed soley through Arab sources is Geomancy and Fractal Mathematics

Robert Eglash talks about it on a TED talk.

>>368358
It is according to Americans. Therefore, the reality adjusts to accommodate it.

>>368369
Stop. We are black, get over it.

>>368399
Ethiopians are not black. They are Afro-Asiatics. They have no relation to African Americans.

>>368397
>>368358
They were a myriad of colors, the ancient European writers confirm it themselves.

>>368405
I am an Ethiopian Jew, we are black.

>>368411
You are an Israeli Zionist occupier

>>368420
I am an anti Zionist who immigrated from Israel with my adopted Mizrahi family over a decade ago.

I am still however black.

>>367400
They were great respective to their regions, though not really astounding. Mali and Songhai ruled vast swaths of territory, but they had trouble organizing it and collecting taxes.

Their economies relied heavily on slaves, meaning that populations rarely had the chance to settle down and towns rarely grew to be too large, because they would just be raided by their neighbors and sold off to work in the gold mines.

Their kings were fabulously wealthy but their world was one insulated from that of their subjects. They were Muslims, had houses made of stone and wore richly embroidered clothes and jewelry.

Compared to the massive population of whom were slaves, they were on a totally different level of wealth, development, and just general knowledge of the world.

One of their key failings that severely hampered their progress was the lack of infrastructure outside of the big trading cities, and the unwillingness to build one.

>>368405
>Ethiopians are not black
Kek.
>They are Afro-Asiatics
Yeah, and Haitians are Italian because they speak French.
>They have no relation to African Americans
Except being black like the other 800 billion Africans.

Dude you sound like my auntie. She insisted she wasn't black even while a bunch of arabs laughed themselves blue in the face.

>>368408
Ethnic Carthaginians were Phoenician, and Phoenicians were Semitic. So they were quite pale. Other ethnicities would have been people across the Western Med migrating the Carthage, going there for trade, or others living across their empire. They also had vast mercenary sources, which would have include a range of people from Nubians to Gauls, so Europeans seeing a Carthaginian army would see no particular ethnicity or color amongst the ranks.

>>367427
Kinda /thread
They got unlucky, hey you try domesticating a fucking lion and ape. Eh, I bet they'd be hunter gatheres if it weren't for Western invasions/ influence

>>368443
Carthage has always been a intersection of North African peoples, I suggest you start reading original sources before you speak so confidentially on a subject you clearly know nothing about.

>>368440
Not him, but genetic studies do show that Ethiopians and Somalians are much closer to Arabs than to African Americans (you can check them on Wikipedia).

Makes sense because they lived on opposite ends of the continent and were a part of the Arab trade routes.

Aren't Ethiopians basically one of the groups that left Africa but later came back? They're pretty different to Sub-Saharan Africans which is what OP I think is referring to.

>>368449

Go to bed Jared Diamond. Sub Saharan Africa has domesticatable wild life.

>>368463
Those studies compare us from Yoruba and Arabs

Of course we will look more Arab than Yoruba because Yoruba split from us over 60k years ago and Arabs have absorbed Aethiopic groups like Mehri in Arabia Felix.

Still we see that Ethio-Somali genetics are wide spread in Africa, we are not some mulatto population.

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>>368430
>had trouble organizing it and collecting taxes
Not really an issue until the decline. It depended on where and when in the empire you're talking about.
>Their economies relied heavily on slaves
Not as much as other commodities.
>meaning that populations rarely had the chance to settle down and towns rarely grew to be too large
Ibn Battuta noted that there were reasonably populated towns barely more than a day or two's walk from an given place. The Niger river was a blessing.
>because they would just be raided by their neighbors and sold off to work in the gold mines
The Mossi were kept in check most of the time as were the Tuaregs.
>but their world was one insulated from that of their subjects
Nope. Leo Africanus pointed out the average Joe was very well off.
>Compared to the massive population of whom were slaves
Horon literally means "free man". Slavery existed, but it wasn't like late republican Roman scale.

>>368480
List, source, show how beneficial they even are.

>>368490
Donkey and Camel are pretty important beasts of burden in semi arid and arid regions around the world.

>>368461

Not who you're replying to but the peoples of the Levant (who the ruling class of Carthage were) were quite fare. The local inhabitants of North Africa were at the time were Berbers who still to this day are lighter than Arabs. If there were Sub-Saharan Africans among them, I'd wager they were quite a small group.

>>368498

Zebras could easily be used to pull a water wheel too.

>>368498
I don't disagree with this I'm primarily saying they they aren't nearly as useful as what other cultures got, couple this with the fact that Africa was basically sacked.

I'm just saying I'm not surprised that with a slow shitty horse and a donkey they didn't accomplish much.

>>368502
Berbers who are light skin are so because of the light skin gene that came with neolithic expansion from the middle East, its inaccurate to state that the people we now call Berber are the same exact thing in Africa since the language family came about

We know that the oldest mtdna marker in North Africa is African and is atleast 20k years old. We also have Arab and European sources that speak on the fluidity of cultures and colors in the region.


That isn't to say everyone is black, merely that the dichotomy of black and berber is not reality.

>>368449
>hey you try domesticating a fucking wolf and Auroch
Thats how retarded you sound

>>368482
Wasn't Leo Africanus only confirmed to have visited Timbuktu? I was under the impression that he got information from travelers in Morroco on Hausaland and Bornu and just assumed that the villages there were like the city he'd visited.

>>368463
That's because they had regular contact with Eurasia for far longer than the rest of Africa. Besides, different ethnic groups in Africa are more genetically different than a Portuguese is from a Korean. Being black has more or less nothing to do with genetics. It's basically shorthand for "subsaharan african or recent descendant of subsaharan african"

>>368507
Being tamed is different from domestication.

That doesn't mean it's bad right, but that pinning and breaking an animal on an individual level doesn't mean its a quality candidate.

Donkeys are much more conducive, onagers were tamed but were rude.
>>368511
We can say that these animals were useful in climates they are most appropriate, to say they didn't accomplish much is based on your cultural reality but in a global scale camels and donkeys were and are important.

>>368521
There are many black berbers, especially in the Sahara but the majority are still mediterranean looking
Black people existed in Carthage but they were a small minority, the same way they still are in today's north africa despite the saharan slave trade

>>368527
Go on

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>>368552

>Being tamed is different from domestication.

You could tame Sub-Saharan African wildlife though.

>>368557
We can say that some were in fact quite powerful and not just in the desert. Not too long ago archeologists found the remains of an Elite woman found in Roman York dubbed the Ivory Bangle Lady.

We know that Romans did not have extensive contact with Saharan groups and we can say that she was in contact with them in their strong holds on the coast.

Further more looking at the genetics of Berbers throughout Africa we can see all of them have atleast 30% L mtdna markers which is quite extensive.

>>368578
Go on with what?

All dogs come from domesticated wolves, all cows come from domesticated aurochs.

Both of those animals would be just as difficult to domesticate as a lion or ape.

>>368482
>Not really an issue until the decline. It depended on where and when in the empire you're talking about.
What were some parts that were like that? Inform me.
>Not as much as other commodities.
Wasn't it one of the main ones though? Gold and slaves seem to be consistently mentioned.
>Ibn Battuta noted that there were reasonably populated towns barely more than a day or two's walk from an given place. The Niger river was a blessing.
What about once you got to the more desolate regions? Wasn't it once you got into the jungles and hinterlands it was pretty much a free for all in some regions with little to no rule of law?
>The Mossi were kept in check most of the time as were the Tuaregs.
I don't know enough about them, what sort of threat did they pose?
>Nope. Leo Africanus pointed out the average Joe was very well off.
Well of in general or in Timbuktu specifically? I'd think life in the main trading city was very different than life outside it.
>Horon literally means "free man". Slavery existed, but it wasn't like late republican Roman scale.
Is there any sources stating the approximate amount of slaves compared to freemen?

>>368580
Taming does not equal domesticating to quote

, Africa Speaks: A Story of Adventure (The Chronicle of the first Trans-African Journey by Motor Truck from Mombasa on the Indian Ocean to Lagos on the Atlantic, through Central Equatorial Africa) (Philadelphia: John Winston Company, 1931):

"For many years the Belgian government has maintained a training station for elephants at Wanda [, Belgian Congo]. From the wild herds that roam in the surrounding forests, they capture young animals and these are brought to the post for a course in discipline. They are then sold to plantations or to the missions. The African animal is quite different from the Indian species, a much harder beast to domesticate, never becoming entirely docile. Until the Belgians undertook this work, it was thought impossible to train the African elephant. They have succeeded to a certain extent, but the results obtained are small considering the amount effort and time expended, and it is not likely that this animal will ever become a great aid to mankind, comparable to his Indian cousin."

Those photographs more than anything else were propaganda to show the civilizing might of Western powers in Africa. It was in reality a series of ventures that weren't successful to say the least.

>>368603
Dogs do not come from wolves, DNA confirmed this last year. They share a long dead common ancestor.

Secondly Africans domesticated Auroch, whereas they only tamed Barbary Sheep.

Not all animals are worth domestication, some are more adept to the process.

>>368588
Romans did have extensive contact with Saharan nomads and Nubians
And besides that, race is more about looks than genetics

>>368625
Romans utilized trade routes like all others but did not in fact have "extensive contact" with Saharans

Race is more than looks, but one can state the records of Carthaginian Aethiops shows quite clearly the multiracial reality of North Africa.

>>368588
>>368642
The point was that blacks were a minority, not that they didn't exist
North Africa has always been multiethical and mixed with a lot of people

I don't see what you're trying to get to

>>368606

>Those photographs more than anything else were propaganda to show the civilizing might of Western powers in Africa. It was in reality a series of ventures that weren't successful to say the least.

Apples and oranges. Your source mentions African Elephants but nothing about any other species. That picture was of Baron Rothschild's chariot which he used to get around the streets of London.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ph8Vag9VxRU

>>368659
Stating that they were a small minority is incorrect when you look at the quarternto one third genetic input of Africans we call black in their maternal lines. We can say that there were blacks who were a part of all major groups in North Africa.

To say they were "minor" ignores the reality that they are natives of the region.

>>368621
>Dogs do not come from wolves, DNA confirmed this last year

So because theyre not descendent of modern wolf species that means they didnt come from wolves?
are you retarded?

>Modern dogs are more closely related to ancient wolf fossils that have been found in Europe than they are to modern gray wolves, with nearly all genetic commonalities with the gray wolf due to admixture

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origin_of_the_domestic_dog

They arent domesticated from the exact same Grey wolves of today due to the fact they were domesticated around 130,000 years ago but their origin still lies in a species of wolf, dogs didn't just appear out of the ground all cuddling and obedient one day.

And sub saharan africans did not tame aurochs.
Only in Anatolia and India were aurochs successfully tamed into cows.

GO ON?!!?!?!

>>368671
You can find pictures and videos of people riding a broke in animals but that doesn't mean they are domesticated.

Domestication is the process of breeding animals that are not averse to human presence. It is a selective process of inborn traits, not merely getting an animal to perform a task.

Elephants like Zebras can be tamed, but never have or can they be domesticated.

>>368689
Please don't waste your own time or anyone else's with wikipedia articles that don't show new data.

>Regarding the geographic origin of dogs, we find that, surprisingly, none of the extant wolf lineages from putative domestication centers is more closely related to dogs, and, instead, the sampled wolves form a sister monophyletic clade. This result, in combination with dog-wolf admixture during the process of domestication, suggests that a re-evaluation of past hypotheses regarding dog origins is necessary.

http://journals.plos.org/plosgenetics/article?id=10.1371/journal.pgen.1004016

We also have evidence of African aurochs which are still seen today in tsetse tolerant Cattle species in Africa.

>>368673
Can I see a source confirming that number?
And again, race is about looks not genetics. If you're blonde but have a significant pourcentage of subsaharan dna that still wouldn' tmake you black or "mixed"

>>368605
>What were some parts that were like that?
The further you travelled from Niani the more decentralized the emperor's power became. For example, Gao province in the far east was always waiting for the chance to rebel. While Djenne and Djolof were much more compliant.
>Wasn't it one of the main ones though?
Definitely. Key word here being "one of".
>What about once you got to the more desolate regions?
The Sahara desert is obvious. But the sahel is prime grazing land for west african livestock, and the Niger river valley is very fertile. Food was not an issue as far as commodities went.
>Wasn't it once you got into the jungles
The sahelian empires are called sahelian for a reason
>it was pretty much a free for all in some regions with little to no rule of law?
No. Provinces were divided on the village/town/city level, county level, and province level. The emperor and Gbara council didn't interfere below the province level.

Local administrators were elected by popular vote, while county level administrators were appointed by the governor of the province.

The locals scorned injustice.
>I don't know enough about them, what sort of threat did they pose?
The Mossi were a tribal confederation from the Volta river basin. It didn't have the same natural wealth that Mali did and has no decent trade routes. So they took to their horses and raised as far as Timbuktu and Djenne when nobody expected it. Kankan Musa compared them to the Mongol scourge when he spoke to the Egyptians.

Tuaregs were the primary desert berber tribe. They never stayed in one place and while valuable for crossing the Sahara also enjoyed attacking caravans and raiding cities from the north.
>Well of in general or in Timbuktu specifically?
In general. But yeah, Mamadu from Gao was obviously better off than Maghan the goat herder.
>Is there any sources stating the approximate amount of slaves compared to freemen?
Can't think of any. But the Horon have always been more common than their slaves

>>368712
That's were we disagree race is about genetics and/or looks depending on the context.

>In striking contrast, sub-Saharan L lineages are prevalent in North African Arab and Berber populations at frequencies around 20–25% (25.5% in Moroccans, 24.9% in Tunisians, 30.2% in Libyans; our unpublished data), yielding a difference exceeding an order of magnitude.
http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0002062

In the discussion section under "Typically African mtDNA variants in non-Ashkenazi Jews" in comparison to North African Jews

>>368694

Wouldn't the process of domestication take many generations however? For instance a wild boar, which the the descendant of the domesticated pig has a bad temperament and can be hostile, however over many generations it's been calmed through selective breeding.

It's quite likely that if Sub-Saharans had been breeding these animals in captivity for many generations they could be 'calmed'.

>>368712

>race is about looks not genetics.

You wot?

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>>368730
Once the process of domestication is complete there is a level of domestication still seen in feral populations.

Here

>>368603
>as a lion or ape
Bad examples. Felines are fickle, and just like humans, apes and dolphins, are known to hunt/kill for the thrill. Apes not only are sadistic and violent fucks with few taboos about cannibalism, but they are also smart enough to read your feelings and intentions.
Both are also considerably harder to restrain than a Wolf or Auroch, and more lethal if you give them your back.
Both would also be absurdly high upkeep for a domestic animal:
Wolf: Omnivorous, although it requires high amounts of animal protein. Requires less food than a human. Can be fed leftovers.
Auroch: hervivorous. Eats stuff you would never consider eating.
Lion: 100% carnivorous. Eats more than a human.
Ape: omnivorous. Eats as much as a human and more or less the same things you would eat.

There is no advantage in domesticating such animals.

>>368710
Do you know the meaning of extant, they're claiming something incredibly obvious, that modern species aren't descendants of modern species, when they say sister monophyletic clade it means that dogs are the closest relatives to wolves and that the dog lineage split from the wolf lineage.

also IIRC the African breeds were descendant from Indian cattle with genetic admixture from African aurochs

>>368775
You stated they came from doemsticated wolves when they in fact did not necessarily, for all we know it could be another kind of Canis species closely related to Canis Lupus.

Yes among the Southern and Eastern African groups the Sanga arose from African cattle and Zebu but that is not every where on the continent and is rather recent.

>>368765

I guess my point is that none of the animals in Africa discussed have been bred in captivity by humans for as long as other domesticated species. For example pigs have been being bred in captivity for over 10,000 years, horses for almost 5,000, cats for atleast 9,500 years, Indian Elephants for 6,000, etc. I'd wager that Zebras could be domesticated given how close they are to horses but there hasn't been extensive breeding of these animals in captivity for the lenghts of time there have been outside of Africa.

>>368802
It was another anon, and from the paper you quoted

>Analysis of these sequences supports a demographic model in which dogs and wolves diverged through a dynamic process involving population bottlenecks in both lineages and post-divergence gene flow.

>>368824
This is what you're not getting.

Captivity over many generations does not domesticate an animal, selectively breeding individual animals who are receptive to human needs is what makes then domesticated.

Reduction in certain regions of the brain is the result of said selective pressure, something that does not occur when you pin animals unselected for generations.

Indian elephants were never domesticated, only tamed.

>>368824
This thread discussed the same topic

>>335880

>>368845
I stand corrected and I withdraw my statement of a possible separate Lupus species

>>368449
>t. Posting from my cucкshed

>>367400
Muslins aren't black lol, I'm Pakistani, my grandpa is descendant of Egypt and even Egyptians aren't black and I feel pride of being Egyptian as well as Pakistani

>>368909
You know even though I'm an Ethiopian Jew on a Malagasy Shadow puppet Image board I have to say that I doubt you're real.

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>>368909
Are you sure you're in the right tab?

>>368429
Anti-Zionist Ethiopian Jew
Wow talking about biting that hand that feeds you.

>>368876
Why are you people obsessed with that fetish?

Ya gay?

>>369294
Eh. I don't lose much sleep over it.

Israel is a racist state to be real honest with you.

>>369313
Every state is racist. Those who delude themselves that the US, France or any other so-called egalitarian shithole is not racist, is delusional. You are simply an ingrate

>>369319
No the whole of the west is racist, I however don't care for the Ashkenazim government or their treatment of Jews who are Black, Yemeni and Arab.

That and their treatment of Palestinians brown or black.

We were pawns, used when we were starving. All the years that the Jewsh world knew of us and they gave a few of us Talmud instead of teaching us how to read en masse or actively challenge our treatment.

That and I'm not Chewa so I doubly don't care. Zionists allowed my family to remain slaves.

>>369360
You mean Mizrahi or your Ethiopian side?
Also what is Chewa?

>>368482
Slaves were definitely the most relied upon commodities.. They were the labor behind acquiring the other commodities, thus making them the backbone. The civilization was only "great" relative to the surrounding areas. In terms of "great" old world civilizations, it really wasn't noteworthy. Honestly, they haven't progressed much in regards to their standing then as compared to now.

Please quit trying to glorify African societies. There isn't a whole lot to work with.

>>368463
define close to arabs ? , they are related to arabized *eygptians and berbers* but not real arabs

>>368909
your either a troll or one really stupid cunt

>>369391
They actually had a great metal working and textile industry on top of mining. Most civilizations relied on somebody to bear the brunt of the labour demands.whether it was slavery,indentured servitude forced labour or arbitrary taxation.

>>369390
I was adopted by Persian Jews

I am a descendant of Barya, the enslaved people in Beta Israeli (Chewa) society probably Weyto seeing as we come from around Lake Tana and some BI men. We were enslaved until the Airlift.

People tend to either not know or care but the Ethiopian Jewish community is racist as fuck because they believe they are White like all other Jews and had a right to own us because we were the children of Cain.

The broader Jewish Zionist community who had been in our communities before the Airlift knew about this and made no effort to stop our enslavement. So honestly fuck them.

That and had it not been for their racism that questioned Beta Israeli as a whole we could have been Airlifted out before the masses died in drought, famine, attack and malnutrition.

>>369391
>Slaves were definitely the most relied upon commodities
No. It was gold.
>They were the labor behind acquiring the other commodities
Not really. Slaves fell outside of the caste system who produced things.
>The civilization was only "great" relative to the surrounding areas
Nah. It was better than many of its non-african contemporaries too.
>Please quit trying to glorify African societies.
Please stop trying to handwave civilizations you know nothing about because niggers annoy you.

WE

>>369476
Shut up.

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Question for shitposters.

Why don't you ever try to ruin Mesoamerica threads? OR India threads Or SOMETHING else?

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>>367400
Considering places like Chinguetti exist, there must have been some kind of researched based civilizations in West Africa. Archaeologists please save Chinguetti.

>>369462
I lol'd

You triggered? Tell me one facet of modern civilization that wouldn't exist without the contribution of these African "empires", please.

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Well I'll put it this way. That one building that gets constantly shown as proof of Malian or African civilisation, was actually built by the French in the 20th century.

>>369570
The french didn't make it, the original was destroyed after years of neglect after centuries of slave trading.

They paid workers and artisans to rebuild it.

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>>369598
No, they built it from scratch. It looked absolutely nothing like the original, which was just a featureless large, low, square mudhut.

>>369611
That was the second most, the original was literally noted by Arabs centuries before.

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>>367400

The only ruler Justinian addressed as 'brother', an equal, other than the Sassanid Shahanshah.

>>368824
>>368851
Indian Elephants were never bred in captivity en masse, even today most of the elephants used in India have to be captured from the wild.

>>368507
Zebras are assholes that tend to panic and buck their riders. When the Europeans colonized Africa, they tried to domesticate them and didn't have much luck.

About the whole domestication debate, while you could say that eventually you would manage to get tame zebras by breeding the tamest in each generation, realistically people would only have so much time and resources to run the "domestication experiment" before they have to quit. Either due to a personal rationalization of "yeah, this won't ever work" or just an opposing tribe that didn't squander their resources on such a difficult task squashing you.

Also, something that needs to be observed in Savannah animals is their migration instincts. These would need to be suppressed just as much as their fear of humans in order to domesticate them, and this suppression could lead to higher aggressiveness in the animals when they find themselves in captivity.

if you're going to define "acheivements" by the standards of Europe and Asia then yeah

>How big was your empire?
>How many people did you kill each year?
>who was the greatest King (i.e. the person who killed the most neighbours)?

So great .

>>368449
>They got unlucky, hey you try domesticating a fucking lion and ape.
They had domesticated horses, donkeys, dogs, goats, sheep, camels and various fowl. They didn't need to domesticate lions and apes.
>Eh, I bet they'd be hunter gatheres if it weren't for Western invasions/ influence
They were in the Iron age before western influence. They might have even had steel.

>>368603
Dogs and Aurochs aren't hard to domesticate at all. They breed well in captivity and they are easy to feed.

Practically any animal can be tamed but tamed=/= domesticated.

shieeet nigga we had the empires that put Rome to shame before da white devil robbed us

>>369959
They didn't try that hard because they already had horses. A few generations of intensive selective breeding would result in zebras that were much better suited to work, both physically and temperamentally.

>>371074
Domestication doesn't happen in a few generations, it takes dozens and given the fact that this isn't something like a Russian fox experience arguably not all at once over many human generations.

>>370802
They had steel though.

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>>367400
there were multiple rich city states like kilwa but they never really moved on from the 1200s kind of technology/society
regardless anybody that says africa never had civilization should be ignored

>>369452
Yeah I just read a bit on that on Google books about Chewa saying they are "red" to distinguish themselves and some other stupid shit.

>>371181
People have this notion of Blackness which is foreign to all of Africa. No one called themselves black, others called each other black.

>>369547
Well your wife wouldn't be enjoying BBC right now if Mansa Musa didn't fuck that concubine all those years ago :^)

>>369462
What about salt? I don't think anyone's included or mentioned salt. How important or valued was it in general, and then how important or valued when compared to gold or slaves?

>>368429
Your ancestors are turning in their graves.
I guess you feel safe because you had nothing to do with the european holocaust and because Ethiopian jews are relatively unknwon and are not associated with the European jewish stereotype.
I really find it hard to believe how a jew can be an anti zionist.
How much muslim and leftist propoganda did you need to swallow for that?
Let me tell you a little secret. Many different nations and states had to earn their right to exist through the use of force(probably including the country you immigrated to).

>>369360
lol even black jews are gibmedats?
Ahskenzi jews who came to Israel and built the country didn't expect anything from nobody.
They suffered and toiled and built a country out of the shithole of nothingness that was there before.
You think any immigration wave was helped much? The country was pretty much struggling all the time.
You dont immigrate and expect money and help.
You immigrate and expect to work hard and contribute.
Its not the fault of the Israeli government or of Israelis that Etheopean jews mostly lack education.
And the Israeli government does help Etheopeans in many different ways, including money, rent, education, affirmative action and so on.

WE WAS KANGS NIGGHUGH: the thread

>>368317

Real history returns. Hannibal, BLACK king of Carthage

>>371373
Why are you so butthurt? Also anti-Zionist Jews area thing and there can be Jews who are just fed up or disillusioned with the state in general just like Americans who are fed up with the current system occupy many parts of the spectrum both left and right.

>>371462
Kinda missing the point.