Why did ancient architecture look so post-modern? When you look

Commieblocks are modernist, not postmodernist. Postmodernist architecture was basically a rebellion against modernist commieblocks.

>>3359923
Why do both styles look like complete shit, then?

>>3359900
They value utility and practicality.

>>3359900
>they look like fucking commieblocks

How the fuck does it look like a commieblock?

Large open space, extremely decorated, gorgeous paintings everywhere, not a a continuos gigantic block but many different blocks everywhere with columns

It doesn't look anything like a commieblock

>>3359900
Looks shit, wonder how many people fell to their death

>>3360281
Fuck off

>>3360095
Commie blocks only look shit when built by poor shitholes, due to no colors and bad materials.

Post-modernist stuff looks bad because the architects think they can replace skill with edginess.

>>3360281
Now you know why only two or three out of ten children reached maturity in ancient times.

>>3360095
Postmodernist architecture is pretty fun and quirky, only pretentious faggots who take themselves too seriously hate it.

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>>3360187
Maybe not commieblocks per se but it does resemble the brutalist monstrosities associated with communist regimes.

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>>3360095
>modernism
"form follows function" - decoration stripped away and focus instead on clean lines, and the purpose of the building itself.
>postmodernism
"decorated sheds" - brings back traditional decorative vocabulary and mashes it all together in one quirky mess that was briefly popular in the 80s and 90s and has largely died out now (apart from building retirement homes)

>>3360379
ah yes 20th century Britain that famous communist utopia

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>>3360344
>Commie blocks only look shit when built by poor shitholes
Commieblocks look bad in every country. Pic is France.

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>>3360389
United States

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>>3360390
United Kingdom

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>>3360396
Italy

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>>3360396
>>3360390
>>3360389
good cherrypicking my man. (this is a french commieblock)

>>3360379
I don't see it, what you posted is bleak, Minoan palaces were a feast for the eyes

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>>3360399
Hong Kong

You get the idea

>>3360403
That's not a commieblock, that's some postmodern trash. But yes it looks just as shitty as a commieblock.

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>commieblocks
>not the most aesthetic type of building ever conceived especially when juxtaposed with existing cities

>>3360389
>>3360390
>>3360396
Those are poorly made, dipshit. Any architecture would look like shit with those materials.

>>3360388
Britain is more like a dystopia, it looks several degrees worse than even fucking Ukraine.

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>there are still people who think modernism looks bad

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>there remain people on this planet capable of cognitive function who dislike the aesthetics of modernist architecture

>>3360411
>Those are poorly made, dipshit. Any architecture would look like shit with those materials.
That's the entire point of commieblocks you literal baboon, it's a shit tier building made of cheap prefab concrete and designated for poor people. That's literally the only reason why they get built.

>>3360415
Look like the architect loved Lego when he was a kid.

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>in the year of our lord two-thousand and seventeen some uncultured plebians believe that buildings constructed in the late 20th century modernist style look "bad"

>>3359923
>combat shitty architecture by coming up even shittier architecture

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>>3360415

It does, you chastity ring wearing communist antifa punk

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>>3360431
nice ad hominem there my man, shame your taste isn't up to that standard

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>modernist architecture

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>plebs cannot appreciate these architectural marvels

>>3360418
They are affordable housing for working class people in big cities. The ones for office workers and such look perfectly fine and are very livable, because everything you can ever need is in walking distance and your job is a 10 minute tram ride away.

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>if you don't like this you have objectively no taste

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>>3360444
>>3360440
>>3360436
it's a shame that this is literally the only argument tradcucks have against modernism architecture

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>superior aesthetics

What gets me about Commie blocks is that terracotta facing is relatively cheap. You could easily decorate a commie block with terracotta and not have it be a soul crushing nightmare that makes people hate you.

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>>3360447
>plebs will never understand

>>3360447
>grrr I so hate traditionalism!
>I am so angry at beauty and functional architecture!
>I feel the need to make everything ugly because I am edgy!

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>only a true patrician can appreciate

>>3360455
It's the traditionalists who hate functional architecture, modernist architecture is all about function.

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>>3360455
>>I feel the need to make everything ugly because I am ugly
Fixed

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>>3360452
>>3360455
the only argument you're capable of presenting is that 'it's ugly'. It's not like it would be hard to come up with a valid criticism of modernism - and there are plenty, including reliance on automobile culture, often very inefficient conservation of heat and climate control, and the fact that modernist buildings were frequently constructed cheaply and poorly, yet you're only capable of mounting a shallow, 'ewww it's ugly' aesthetic criticism, because you know damn well that the kitschy shit you want to be bought back would solve few of these issues and create many more of their own

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>>3360431
it's not even as if this is a particularly beautiful scene - the buildings here are quite clearly poorly constructed, cramped, and were probably extremely unhygienic before modern plumbing was introduced.

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>>3360451
>let's spam shitty colored plaster, stucco and terracotta on commieblocks
>this will make them pretty I swear

>>3360470
not that Asian vernacular architecture is universally bad - my point is that there are terrible examples of modernism, and equally terrible examples of traditional architecture. The fact that the only argument tradcucks in this thread have been able to present is cherrypicking and "ewww it's ugly" displays a childish appeal to emotion rather than any real architectural or even aesthetic criticism of modernist/postmodernist architecture.

>>3360467
Concrete decays fast and making building entirely out of prefabs is nigger tier. Even commies realized this, commieblocks were supposed to be only temporary housing for a single generation of workers before the government could build a detached home for each family.

>>3360481
>Concrete decays fast
depends on the quality of the concrete but yes.
>commieblocks were supposed to be only temporary housing
That particularly refers to 'kruschevkas'. Many commieblocks were meant to either be permanent or at least long-lasting.

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>>3360489
Kruschevkas are those dogshit prefab things that got built from the late 50s to the early 70s, that's what we refer to as commieblocks. Stalinkas were much better aesthetically.

>>3360379
Not really. And in fact the kind of building you mention wouldn't look so bad and depressing if properly painted with nice colors, like minoan palaces are. Fags would cry that it's too gaudy and wacky though, whatever that means.

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>>3360470
>it's not even as if this is a particularly beautiful scene

Right and it is still miles above your cold, sucking the life out of ya, cement grave brutalist architecture, exactly my point.
There is so much more life and warmth going in a picture, that is based even on a rather prrimitive example of its respective architecturral style.

>and were probably extremely unhygienic before modern plumbing was introduced.
Bullshit. That's just the Marxist view of history pouring out of your mouth.

>>3360403
This still looks bad, only the pretty good garden kinda tricks one into thinking it may be okay.

>>3360498
>muh nice colors
See >>3360471

>>3360501
>That's just the Marxist view of history pouring out of your mouth.
How is pointing out the fact that the only sewage outlets these people have is the fucking stagnant river their house is next to 'marxist'?

>>3360505
>I want everything to look depressing shade of brownish grey, just like my soul

>>3360501
>so much more life and warmth
The only difference in the 'life and warmth' on display between >>3360431 and >>3360415 is that the chinese people have put up orange lanterns outside their houses and that the Chinese scene was photographed in late evening rather than early morning when nobody is awake

>>3360506

You don't even know that from the picture. The east Asia region had much better sewage systems than most of the West during the middle ages. And if not taking a dump in the near-by bushes probably wouldn't be out of these people's abilities.
You are just applying tropes of the materialist view on everything non-modern to other cultures.

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The last architectural styles worth shit were Art Nouveau and Art Deco. Everything that came after them is just DUDE CONCRETE LEGO BLOCKS LMAO

>>3360514

And there I was thinking it had something to do with the colours and organic shapes and materials they used. You really convinced me.

>>3360512
No, I want all commieblocks razed to the ground and replaced with something that doesn't look like shit. Shit is still shit even if you paint it pretty.

>>3360505
>various shades of plain brown are nice colors

Brutalism but with neon

>>3360514
>this is your brain on modernism

>>3360518
It's Batlló senpai, not Batilo.

>>3360497
*walks through Austria-Hungary once*

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>>3360523
How deep into hell are you willing to descend

>>3360528
Gô fúčk ýôřšeľf

>>3360531
What?

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>hating on modernism

>>3360560
How would that decorative trim and the pilasters fit into modernism?

>>3360570
aesthetics of the ornaments are characteristic for interwar modernism in Poland

>>3360536
That wasn't the important part dude, i and l aren't the same letter.

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>>3360574
pic rel

>>3360570
Early modernism like Art Deco or Stalinist Gothic was fine. Then futurism and functionalism fucked everything beyond repair.

>>3360534
How is that "properly painted"? I mean, if I pick a classic satue and just drop a cube of red on it of course it's not gonna look good. This is not how ancients painted shit.

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>>3360582
Nigger what the fuck do you actually want, someone recreating Rembrandt on the blocks? You keep moving the goalposts instead of realizing commieblocks will look like steaming pile of monkey shit no matter what you paint them with.

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>>3360581
50's socialist realism was lit af

>>3360403
Looks postmodern to me.

>>3360417
It can look good, but it gets a bad wrap because of all the shitty uninspired block building made in its name.

>>3360594
Yes, until Stalin died.

Neo-clasical brutalism is best

Brutalism and functionalism fanboys actually know the buildings are objectively ugly, they just post them to trigger normies like edgelords or because they think they make for an atmospheric setting in their dystopian vidya. Nobody actually wants to live in those things if he can afford anything better.

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small commieblocks best commieblocks

>>3360619
>Fifty thousand people used to live here

>>3360619
These are fine and are Not commisblocks

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>>3360628
they are the most commie of all blocks, they were build in the 50's to accommodate workers of ironworks

pic rel different buildings in the town, also from 50's

>>3360447
Pic is brutalism, not modernism.

>>3360801
brutalist is a modern style

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>>3360447
Absolutely disgusting!

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>>3360466

>>3360455
>I feel the need to make everything ugly because I am edgy!
A typical mindset of liberacucks with their modern regressivism.

WHY DON'T WE TAKE THIS BEAUTIFUL, OLD EUROPEAN CITY CENTRUM
AND REPLACE IT WITH CANCEROUS MODERNIST AND POSTMODERNIST SHIT?

>>3360588
I want >>3359900 which looks pretty fine despite being "a block".

>>3360471
Looks cosy af I have no clue what you mean

>>3360467
>kitschy

b8

>>3360421
Everytime this board pretends it has ANY grasp on architecture, it gets even more embarrassing.
It's beyond obvious your knowledge of the subject extends to whatever you heard in these threads and MAYBE a couple of Wikipedia articles.

>>3360431
Honest to god I'd prefer to live in the picture you replied to over this chinese slum.

>>3360885
Not him but it looks like shit

>>3360885
Contrary to most arts, architecture is for those who "don't know about architecture" and daily consummed (or suffered) by them. This is not a painting in an elite museum, the plebs count. If people thinks your style is ugly you can't dismiss them by saying they don't know what they're talking about. People may accept a fancy dish but they won't eat shit.

>>3360471
>look look sdombody buildt a bad buildtding!!
what the fuck do you think you're proving?

>>3360637
A block of apartments built in a communist country =/= a commieblock. The term is to describe the architecture of the building, and those things you are posting are NOT commieblocks

>>3360891
>>3360897
Just because you never made an effort to try and appreciate a certain style of architecture, because it's not so easily digestible, it doesn't mean that there is no merit to it and that it shouldn't exist.

>>3360926
the first pic >>3360619 shows commieblocks, ask anyone here and they will tell you that it's a "blok"
commieblocks don't need to be build from prefabricated concrete

the second pic is obviously about socialist realism tenements, not commieblocks

>>3360929
What there is to appreciate in a style that uses plain concrete and is designed to autistically screech fuck yous to far better architectural styles?

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>>3360889
This is the same town with different angle, 2500+ years old. It really is a privilege to live there.

>>3360963
>2500+ years old
what's that old there? rocks?
definitely not the buildings

>>3360996
>>3360996
The settlement exists for over 2500+ years(since Zhou dynasty). The buildings you see today are mostly from Ming ~ Qing dynasty, around 200~500 years old.

>>3359900

youve got everything mixed up, but the answer is style and simplicity

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>>3360963
Dude, you're discovering hot water here.
Of course rural architecture shits all over metropolitan areas.
It's why the rich neighbourhoods are always nothing more than villages inside the city proper.

Everyone who isn't mentally deranged prefers normal buildings, but the problem is simply that normal buildings are not sustainable at such an enormous scale as a modern metropolis.

>>3361030
desu your pic rel isn't even that much rural
it's still a town

actual rural areas are shitholes

>>3359900
That's a storage complex/ administratiive center/ market place.
No one lived there.

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>>3361030
I don't understand what you're saying has anything to do with my post.

Also those "river" towns I post are actually "canals" which are still functional and in use, they're not just "towns beside of river". It's kinda different than your so-called "overkill" example. They're more like the settlements in Venice if you really want to compare.

>>3360929
>It's the people that are forced to live in my asbestos-filled concrete box who are wrong

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>>3360481
>>3360489
My word would people stop with this.

A bad mix with a bad pour is bad.

But a good mixes with good pours can easy last over a hundred years.

Look at this Roman sea pier, it been getting hammered by salt water for over 2000 years, yet I see modern structures that look this bad in less then 30 on dry land.

It called doing it right. Concrete can do wonders if we actually cared and didn't go with the lowest bidder.

>>3361141
Roman concrete actually hardens in sea wster over time rather is dissolved by it. I read a paper written by a team of geologists about it.

>>3361152
Correct,
we can tailor formulas to get even stronger with time based on environmental factors.

I like the thermal reagents for desert application that get stronger in hot and dry climate.

But instead we use Portland for EVERYTHING. Sure Portland is nice, but it became super popular because it mixes easily so anyone can pour it and it will work decently. And to make it worse many cheapen the blend with whatever filler they can grab. There are 20 major types of sand with 9 major particle spreads, that's 180 not including special types for just one ingredient, but even people in the industry often don't know how different they react within the mixture outside of some basic testing.

Compared to intelligently made custom blends poured by someone who knows what the heck they are doing which even on a bad day are several times stronger the trash you often see.

>>3361152
does it have to do with the ash?

>>3361909
The volcanic ash they used did have interesting properties, and is a part of it.

Another was the low water high pressure mix, as supposedly workers wetted and pressed the fine powder in by hand, a hugely labor intensive method but hey slaves help. Also particle size distribution was better, among other things. It been a while since I researched this, but it was a lot of good things that were done together, as it not as simple as X, but X sure helped.

>>3361943
nice
>why can't we have nice concrete anymore

Probably buildings made from square blocks are relatively easy to construct

>>3361141
Completely different kind of concrete. Portland cement hasn't even been used to build structures for hundreds of years, what evidence do you have?

>>3360095
Here we observe an individual who has been taught to despise communism so much that he has morphed his inconsequential aesthetic opinions around this hate, even though the aesthetics have jack shit to do with the ideology.

Having lived in both commieblocks, an apartment from 1880 and a 1920's country side house, I can safely say that commieblocks is an assult on everything that makes you human. I still hate that commieblock area I lived in with a passion. It's just a depressing landscape, no community, no solidarity. Depressed lower class people isolated and packed together like rats in tiny apartments.
Anyone who thinks they are somehow a positive addition to architecture needs to be taken out behind the shed and shot.

>>3360862
> comparing cathedrals, parliament buildings, and other landmarks to average, economical apartment buildings
The kind of intellectual honesty I've come to expect from the TRUH-DI-SHUN crowd

>>3360447
What building is that?

>>3360431
I can practically smell the shit-water from here.

Because we're degenerating my guy

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>>3362443
Do you like boxes? Boxes are cool

>>3360406
Not every apartment complex is a commieblock. That's just the result of unregulated development that is pretty characteristic of Hong Kong.

>>3360514

This way you can't see the dilapidated roofs, crumbling masonry and pieces of trash floating in the canal.

>>3360871
Has nothing to do with colors you stupid shit

>>3360429
modelitis

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>>3360862
>>3360870

They didn't replace historical landmarks. They replaced disgusting slums and bombed-out ruins.

>>3362443
>i-it's only apartment buildings goy!
Try offices, city halls, courts, churches, everything.
>reddit tier ibtentional misspelling
As expected.

>>3360875
>cosy
Fuck off back to Krautchan aka the designated subhuman board

>>3361049
You've never been to a rural area.

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>>3362564
Surprisingly unregulated development can be more aesthetic and organic than a planned city.

>>3360588
That's ugly as shit but you have to admit that it still has a million times more life to it than without the paint.

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>>3359900
Minoans were the exception, not the rule.
They are noted for their utilitarian building designs that made them unique among the ancient world.

You took the greatest exception and extrapolated from that. No other ancient civilization built that sort of utilitarian architecture.

>>3360364
So me not wanting the city I live in to look like a weird mish mash of horrible looking edges, badly aging concrete, skyscrapers that look like they could be in any fucking city around the globe and pseudo-deep nothingness expressed through architecture, makes me a pretentious faggot.?

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>>3362782
>they always ever replace just the bad stuff

>>3361030
Apartment buildings can be nice too, it's just a matter of bothering.

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>>3362829
That's modernism dipshit

Postmodernism isn't a catch-all for "things I hate"

Postmodern architecture, like this plaza in Italy, seeks ask fundamentally different questions about what a building should be and often take a more holistic approach to aesthetics and break many traditional rules of style

>>3362832
But capitalism is perfect, right?

>>3360415
>>3360417
It just lacks humanity, it's completely soulless that's why the dregs of humanity end up there, no one else wants to live in these shitholes

>>3360415
Decent, but only from afar, nothing to look at if you are actually standing in it.

>>3360417
Sober, but nothing else, not pretty of pleasing at all.

>>3360464
I'd say the function of a home is to be lived in, you can't "live" in these shit-houses

>>3362879
I didn´t make an argument for or against capitalism. I was merely pointing out that goverments in Europe certainly did and still do replace historical landmarks because of muh progress/ it´s the current year. Obviously capitalism is also a big culprit here. What governments should do is not tear old beauties down but rather portect them from blind "investment".

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>>3361141

This kills the concrete.

>>3361141
>over a hundred years
You're saying that like it's supposed to be impressive.

>>3363097
I think what he meant to say is "last hundredths of years'.

>>3362829
>a weird mish mash of horrible looking edges, badly aging concrete, skyscrapers that look like they could be in any fucking city around the globe and pseudo-deep nothingness expressed through architecture

You have just described modernist, not postmodernist architecture. Postmodernist architecture is characterized by playfulness, irony, obliqueness, colorfulness, assymetry, absurdity and a sense of humor. It's pretty much the exact opposite of modernist architecture in almost every respect.

>>3362832

>An old and dilapidated building gets torn down and replaced.

>POST-MODERNISM IN ACTION

http://m.schwaebischhall.de/buergerstadt/geschichte/haeuserlexikon/gebaeudeverzeichnis/besitzerliste-1827/?Detail=342&Fold=5&ChangeView=ToMobile

>>3363114
>hundreths

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Swahili architecture is pretty cool

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>>3363537

>>3363537
>>3363538
So niggers are to blame for this travesty? Should've known.

>>3360095
t. person who doesn't know what post-modern architecture looks like

>>3360473
What an undiverse hell hole.

>>3363509
phoenicia had those

>>3360410
What is the name of that building? Saw it while I was in London and was fascinated by it

>>3364871
Trellick tower. It looks like shit, pretty much like everything else in London. What an ugly fucking city.

>>3361984
I think there is a miss communication somewhere. Portland concrete is a relativity recent invention, 1824 with a more popular revisions in 1840s. The roman pier is way older, around 0 AD and was made completely differently.

Before Portland, Rosendale was all the rage especially in New York. Interestingly the older parts of the Brooklyn Bridge that used Rosendale cement needed only minor resurfacing to address some corrosion issues, done in just 6 months. While the newer connecting on and off ramps needed 4 years of heavy renovation work. I can only assume they used Portland for the access ramps.

There are lots of types out there, each with their own pros and cons. And that not even getting down into the important details of mixing and installation methods.

>>3361951
nice things take effort, and cost time and money

>>3363090
Yes and no, but mostly yes.

You see rebar, Portland and many other thing we do are to make construction cheap quick and easy. So getting a high strength quickly is favored. I mean we have "quick" dry concrete.

However the many structures that last for ages were build slowly and gained strength over time.

Rebar stresses it to quickly gain strength, however if the rebar gets wet it kills the structure. And water is kind of everywhere. There are interesting alternatives like simply using stainless, or better yet glass fiber cables. But those are very expensive and complex to install.

>>3363097
It would likely last a very very long time. However because of how thing are now I tend to use conservative values as I don't like getting sued without even thinking about it anymore. For example building contract insurance only covers these things for 90~120 years. Which is a huge deal given most structure policies are only 15~30 years.
Yes believe it or not you home is likely only rated to last around 30, despite many hobbling on well past that.

>>3364874
Imagine being this much of a pleb when it comes to architecture.

>>3362824
Literally all Near Eastern ethnicity from the bronze age except Egyptians built minoan like palaces but even shittier and much less decorated

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Chandigarh is aesthetic.

>>3366545
It is. I'm surprised.

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>>3366518
t. Londonistan resident

>>3362797
i've been to many rural areas, most of them look like shit

>>3366810
Country?

>>3366787
Looks great, has a globalist/neoliberal vibe which I dig. I also like the stark contrast of different architectual styles.

>>3367078
>looks geat
I think there must be something wrong with you people on a genetic level.

>>3360403
>calling it cherrypicking
>implying your pic isn't 1 in a million architectural project while the others are the sort of commieblocks that were copypasted all over the landscape

>>3362873
that shits fuckin retarded,

>>3368497
Why?