>owns the entire Mediterranean Seriously, I've asked

>>3359423
Africa, Persia, India and China

read a fucking book

>>3359423
themselves you fucking retard

>>3359423

You know how Texas and California trade with each other? Kinda like that.

At some point you become big enough that your provinces can provide what the other provinces want through inter-trade.

>>3359427
>Africa
Only north Africa, and that would've been themselves
>Persia
No they fought with Persia
>India and China
Only indirectly, and not enough for Rome to be the size it was
>>3359428
If I take a five dollar bill in my left hand, set it down, and pick it up with my right hand, have I made any money?

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>Who the fuck did they trade with?

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>>3359423
He thinks an Empire means they were all one nation

>>3359423
Its called a slave economy

>>3359439
>>3359444
>intertrade
>real
That's bullshit, if money gets shipped from (we'll use your example) California to Texas, yeah Texas is richer but California is simultaneously poorer, so all you're doing is redistributing and not increasing wealth for the entire union. An outside source is required to increase wealth and as we've established
>>3359427
>>3359451
here, there isn't really a clearly defined source

>>3359451
You are literally missing the point.

The Empire itself made money from taxes and treasury of providence wide collection, whether that was from loot, other taxes, capital gains or so on.

While the entire Empire had a economy across all it's borders, each area had it's own economy as well.

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>>3359451
>Only north Africa, and that would've been themselves
And what is modern day Ethiopia/Sudan.
>No they fought with Persia
Not always.
>Only indirectly,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Roman_relations
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indo%E2%80%93Roman_relations

Also themselves

>>3359423

The Empire owned all the land and extracted taxes from the people, but they didn't own all the farms and shops and shit like that, and different regions of the Empire traded more or less freely with one another.

Okay, so follow me here

The Britbongii tribe led by King Oiuthermeight live in northwestern Europe and they'd really like to decorate their bowls and swords and shit

The Drinknsquatoi tribe led by King Chyortblyat live in eastern Europe and have a bunch of emeralds

The Britbongii want emeralds

A trader representing the Britbongii purchases some emeralds from a trader representing the Drinknsquatoi, who then spends his money on local commodities as well as personal items, stimulating the economy of the Drinknsquatoi

The Britbongii trader returns home with his emeralds and sells them to local people to fashion into jewellery, who then sell those jewels to others, stimulating the economy of the Britbongii

Both parties are happy

BUT OH SHIT ROMANS

King Oiuthermeight is deposed and replaced by the Rector Nigelius Snootius Bongius, who now governs the Britbongii

And also, King Chyortblyat is deposed and replaced by Rector Servius Cheekus Breekus, who now governs the Drinknsquatoi

But, the Britbongii trader continues to make expeditions to the Drinknsquatoi, whose trader continues to sell him emeralds, and both continue to participate in their local economies, though now they pay their taxes to their governors rather than their kings

>>3359466
You have an actual moron's understanding of economics.

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>>3359476
>>3359477
>>3359488
>>3359498
>>3359505
Shut up assfucks, you're wrong. YOU CAN'T FUCKING TRADE WITH YOURSELF get that through your damned heads

>>3359518
Christ you're a retard

>>3359498
>Britbongii
>Oiuthermeight
>Drinknsquatoi
>Chyortblyat
>Cheekus Breekus
gave me a chuckle anon

>>3359451
>If I take a five dollar bill in my left hand, set it down, and pick it up with my right hand, have I made any money?

Depends, do your right hand needs some wine from Aquitane? Gold from northwestern Spain? A province on one end of the empire sometimes needed something that other provinces had, merchants went all around the frontiers selling stuff made in the more advanced provinces of the Empire, meanwhile the State got their money with taxes.

The reason why the Crisis of the Third Century nearly destroyed the Empire wasn't because of a new Emperor every 5 seconds but because trade just completely stopped, merchants couldn't travel anymore due to widespread violence, provinces couldn't get resources needed to sustain their towns, it was like removing the bottom wooden block of a jenga tower the size of the Burj Khalifa.

>>3359466
This is one of the more subtly retarded things I've seen on this board

>>3359451
>No they fought with Persia
Retard who thinks the world is a videogame

>>3359622
Wonder if ge too believes that it takes years to sail from Italy to Sardinia.

You don't need to trade if you have everything

>>3359519

What do you expect when their God Emperor spends a whole year screeching "TRADE IS EVUL".

>>3359455
We sell virtually everything we have to China.

>>3359518
Simple hypothetical to illustrate competitive advantages.

> A California farmer can grow 4 tons of grapes, or raise 2 cows on his farm. (Good weather, rich soil, enough water, but farms are small)
> A Texas farmer can grow 2 tons of grapes or raise 4 cows on his land. (Soil is poor, dry, but a big farm allows for lots room for grazing.
> Farmers want both wine and beef, because they taste good together
> The Cali Farmer can grow 2 tons of grapes and raise 1 cow
> The Texas farmer can grow 1 ton of grapes and raise 2 cows
> Instead of doing this, The Cali farmer grows 4 tons of grapes, the Texas farmer raises 4 cows.
> They trade 2 tons of grapes for 2 cows.
> Now the Cali farmer has 1 more cow, and the Texas farmer has 1 more ton of grapes compared if they went Juche.
> Trade made both farmers better off.

>>3359423
>Portus Cale
>Portugal
Holy shit

>>3359466
You are a retard. Money doesn't get shipped, it gets treaded, making both states richer in the process.

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>>3359423
>that's your brain on civ 5

>>3359423
the state didn't trade you fucking moron.
It's not a fucking modern trading state.
It's intertrading between private merchants + government buying supplies

>>3359451
>implying they were constantly at war with persia

this is a reaching sardinia by boat tier thread

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>>3359518

>I'll take mercantilism for $500 Alex

What is the Triangular Atlantic Trade?

What is the triangular atlantic trade?

>>3359451
>If I take a five dollar bill in my left hand, set it down, and pick it up with my right hand, have I made any money?
Read up on the scale of Paretto (if I'm spelling that right?). The fact that there are people who will trade with you what you produce means that you can produce more, and that you're less likely to unwittingly bring about a surplus. This means that you can have more people at work, which wouldn't have happened without the trade. Whether you trade with yourself or not, it doesn't matter, the economic thrives all the same.

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>>3359451
>If I take a five dollar bill in my left hand, set it down, and pick it up with my right hand, have I made any money?
you're literally retarded

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>>3359947
Here lad. Read up.

Unironically themselves.

>owns the entire Mediterranean
gets fucked in the ass.

>>3359466
Holy shit you get to vote? I'd rather enfranchise an illegal Mexican.

>>3359423
Roman coins have been found even here in Finland, guess they bought pelts and shieeeet

>>3359518
You are a fucking idiot.

>>3359423
My God how retareded do you need to be to reply to a clear bait thread like this one?
It has also been posted several times and you still waste your energy giving an informative answer
What the fuck /his/

>>3359423
you dont need an international economy.

>>3359423
With black africa

>>3359423

Independent actors within the Roman empire traded among themselves, creating value for themselves. Beyond that these actors also traded without actors outside the Roman empire such as the far east.

>>3359716

Good post but I assume you mean comparative advantages.

>>3359466
Why do you think you need outside-trade to be a stable empire? China lived in self-chosen isolation for almost 1000 years and that was China's most prosperous and culturally enriching phase. They did fall back technologically, however, which did come and bite them in their ass.

>>3360392
I've been here since before the Scientology thing, and I'm the last one here to say this, as 99% of them have fled the disaster scene already, but unless the mods get some balls then this site's IQ will be no higher than reddit's.

>>3359423
They were self-sufficient and relied heavily on slave labor

>>3359451
You dont understand how wealth is made. wealth is not coin. Money solely represents wealth.

If you, today turn your house into a small business or say start a youtube channel and get 500k subscribers, you have created wealth out of very little. If today you have the idea necessary to end cancer in the world, you have just made billions of dollars or tons of gold.

>>3359519
>>3359716
>>3359859
>>3360359
You people really suck at spotting bait

>>3362590
This tbqh. Some autists here still believe the Sicily ships anon was serious

>>3359466
>exchanging value for value on voluntary terms is win-lose
this is advanced Marxism

>>3359466
Yes if california literally just gives money to texas, texas will become richer and california poorer.

>>3363709
Most successful bait I've ever done

>>3363729
Alright thanks for acting retarded for our entertainment.

The Romans sold everything to everyone. Trade isnt necessarily something the state has to organize, it happens on its own. That means that you can be sure that almost every tribe on the borders of the empire traded with the Romans. From nomads in North Africa to the Persians/ Parthians to the Britons.

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>>3359498
put me in the reddit screenshot

>>3361667
Indeed, fucking autocorrect.

>>3359423
they traded with each other for better rates than they would have gotten if they were trading with a foreign power, that's mostly the point of owning that foreign power's stuff.

>>3361702

I know it's kind of a meme, but China's "Isolation Phase" lasted about 400 or so years, rather than 1000. Zheng He's voyages ended in 1433, and the doors to China were kicked open by the British in 1840 with the first Opium War.

>>3359451
>If you fight with someone that means you never trade with them
Retard

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>>3359423
BUT WHO DID DA HUMIES TRADE WITH BEFORE INTERSTELLAR TRAVEL?
KYS RETARD.