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Why would the germans waste resources and manpower to kill jews?
Why not just conscript them in the army as cannon fodder under false promises that they'll get land after the war's over and the nazi regime will leave them alone?
Make women and children work in factories.
Leave old people alone since they're just useless anyway
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>>3351852
Because to the Nazi regime, killing Jews was a goal in and of itself, not something to help them work towards other goals.
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hitler was spooked
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Why didn't they just peacefully develop their country, creating a nation of arians instead of starting a world war destroyed millions of lifes and half the world?
You are asking retarded questions.
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So I just got reminded /his/ exists and I see this thread.
Now to wait for the mouth breathers to come in and post USHMM or whatever other barely-sourced or mal-sourced conspiracy garbo they know of to prove le holocaust isn't like flat earth and is TRUE and HONEST.
Better yet are the ones who say the Eastern Massacre allegations are related to the holocaust allegations.
And even BETTER is when they post shit that's been so thoroughly disproven by the pro-holocaust crowd that Yitsig Arad would roll his eyes like the gas vans or shrunken heads/lampshades.
Fucking hell. Whatever the delusion, it'll remind me why I don't like /his/.
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>>3351904
Oh and there's also the retards who take it off-topic by alleging the Germans are the sole reason for WW2 and it's all le nazeees fault that millions died in the war.
Cherry on the cake.
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>>3351852
Because in the eyes of the nazi party, jews are a direct threat to the great German state, so they have to be removed.
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>>3351908
you can always go back to whatever neo nazi shithole you crawled out of
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>>3351852
>Why would the germans waste resources and manpower to kill jews?
Because that was part and parcel of Nazi ideology. How hard is that to understand?
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>>3351904
Germany didn't need a "strong leader" if there was no crisis.
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>>3351852
Because it was simpler to stalk them, catch them, put them in trains, ship them nach Polen, gather them in camps, select them, send some of them to work on strategic projects while starving, send the rest of them to die by a complicated random process...
Easy.
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Honestly I don't have a logical answer to this shitfest. If I were to exterminate entire populations, I surely wouldn't proceed like that.
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>>3351908
/his/ doesn't deny holocaust you dumbass
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>>3351852
it actually made economic sense to murder the jews, because the Germans had a severe food shortage, and killing the Jews helped to alleviate that
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>>3352044
Would be nice if someone made a similar image for the Holodomor
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>>3351852
Because jews are fucking annoying and have behaved like trolls throughout human history.
Jews invented Christianity which turned Rome from a bunch of badasses into a bunch of cucks. Instead of smashing their opponents, romans "turned the other cheek" and let foreigners walk right over them. This retarded pussy religion still continues today.
Jews exploit retards by allowing them to take high interest loans. Dumb short sighted people take the money and fuck over their future selves because they're stupid humans. This is the equivalent to beating up a kid with downs syndrome. Fucking over people with debt continues today, and is actually how our economy works. The heart of this system is the federal reserve, its executive position most recently filled by Alan Greenspan, Milton Friedman, and Janet Yellen, all of whom are jews.
Jews invented communism, eventually leading to the deaths of over 100 million people in Russia, China, Korea, Vietnam, and many other parts of the world. Communism exploits human envy, the proletariat's desire for the aristocracy's wealth and power, and uses it to establish a fake society with no foundation. Chaos ensues as criminals and crooks fight over the vacuum of power.
Jews dominate the media. JJ Abrams, Stanley Kubrick, and Steven Spielberg are given the special privilege of sharing their vision of the future to the rest of the world. These people pretty much dominate how we see the future, except for maybe George Lucas, but Disney bought him out, and Disney's executives are almost entirely jewish.
Speaking of which, the jews ruined Star Wars for a second time, creating some weird fan fiction they call canon to convince neets to shoot themselves.
And if you haven't been convinced yet that jews have seriously damaged their relationship with their fellow man, look at all the people screaming "THE JEWS" on the internet, the global consciousness of our planet. There comes a point where it's not longer ironic.
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>>3352023
And hey, if I was going to start a huge war, I wouldn't.
>Have two separate, competing High Commands
>Make sure that a lot of my war equipment was built at several different sites through no real oversight as to what formed a standardized unit, thus ensuring that repair and refit is difficult.
>Build a completely separate paramilitary force and then give them all the best equipment while simultaneously not training them to the standard of my regular arm to ensure said equipment is mostly wasted.
>Ally with powers that have completely different war aims than myself.
>Attack an ally of mine who is also my biggest trading partner while still having an active front.
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>>3352067
Leon Trotsky, Vladimir Lenin, and Karl Marx are jewish.
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>>3352081
Don't forget Mao, Che Guevara and Castro
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>>3352080
Hitler was a schoolchild playing soldiers IRL and it was the death of Germany. Then as in now, other schoolchildren see themselves in him and attempt to emulate.
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>>3352067
>Jews invented Christianity which turned Rome from a bunch of badasses into a bunch of cucks
what absolute nonsense, not even gonna bother reading the rest this is such an insanely moronic oversimplification
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>>3352213
>absolute nonsense
One of the greatest thinkers of the 19th century would beg to differ.
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>>3352044
The holocaust is the conspiracy theory you virgin.
Also thanks for posting my buddy Aaron's shit infograph again. Not like that thing hasn't been debunked to hell and back right?
I'll lay it out for you because I'm feeling autistic today.
Top left to bottom right.
>Plaque controversy
Red herring shit, straw grabbing by the maker of the infograph. Proves nor disproves anything.
>Bergen-Belsen bulldozer controversy
Also red herring. And "It was a concentration camp not a death camp." Okay. Holocaust = death camps. Irrelevant to topic.
Also I like the "THE NAZIS COVERED EVERYTHING UP"
Yes just like NASA is covering up how the Earth is flat and killed millions of questioners amirite?
>The GPR at Treblinka Controversy
Bashes the dude instead of his study, points out muh Iran praise (HMMMM), vehemently denies the validity of the study on no real grounds and sounds like a fucking tinfoiler about it as expected of a holocaust believer like Aaron Richard.
Mentions a different study merely by name and asserts it proves his delusions, no links no report titles. I might bring that study up assuming it exists in a future post for you though. I'm sure it's disappointing.
He also uses the appeal to authority and appeal to masses that
>everyone dislikes the study therefore it isn't real!
Yeah, very scientific of you Aaron.
>Zyklon B staining controversy
This author literally tries to explain away the lack of zyklon staining with muh wind and rain erosion.
Are you a retard anon? You really believe this dude? Like fuck me go back to /x/ faggot.
Back onto the allegations:
He claims there are "official documents" backing this but names none and I guarantee you or your money back said documents don't exist.
What a fucking anecdote fest.
Uses appeal to authority again to 'disprove' Leuchter without talking about the report directly nor scientifically debunking the report.
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>>3352121
>implying anyone is anymore than schoolchild at any point in their lives.
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>>3352044
>>3352255
He mentions the low concentration of cyanide in the brick chip samples, which again he already attempted to explain away via the old "look man the aliens fried the walls with laser beams to get rid of the evidence" line so..
He claims there is a study by the Polish Institute of Forensic Research but doesn't name said report, no links, nothing. Might come back to that one later too.
>Newspapers
Red herring. Aaron is a retard for thinking this is an allegation people like myself care about.
He doesn't even BTFO the newspaper claim anyway he just shutters anything not relating to a 'holocaust' which is some of the most retarded shit I've ever seen.
Corpse factory and allegations of massacres/genocide aren't relevant to this because they don't allege a specific line of events to reach the number claimed to be killed?
Oy vey!
>documentary claim
Noone has ever claimed that documentary existed. Another infograph someone made that destroys this one laid it out better but I never saved it and I wouldn't know where to look.
>Hannukah celebration allegation
>it was a t-t-transit camp and they let them celebrate to pacify them
Yeah okay buddy. Totally proves they were killed.
>Theresienstadt claims
Literally irrelevant, I bet this shitter has an excuse for there being a pool at Auschwitz too.
Conclusion:
Shit infograph. BTFO'd and I didn't even have to get official and historical on it.
Aaron Richard is a gay retard, delete the macro and move on anon.
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>>3352314
Oh and on the walls that had very minute levels of cyanide in them, it depends on the building. The infirmaries had clothes treatment sheds that they would clean clothes with the zyklon in.
So if the Polish Institute for Gay Buttfucking went and sampled that wall they'd very much have a higher concentration than say a wall outside the crematorium.
The only way their study would validate muh holocaust would be if a "high concentration in the wall materiel" was found in say Krematorium III or something which I guarantee is not the case.
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>>3352121
>implying it was Hitler who made those choices
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>>3352255
>>3352314
>The holocaust is the conspiracy theory you virgin.
>accepting one of the most researched and documented subjects in history which has a complete academic consensus over internet neonazi memes is the real conspiracy guyz I swear
>Red herring
If someone makes a retarded claim and you refute it, it isn't "red herring". If the initial claim didn't prove shit then you should be complaining to the other stormfags.
>This author literally tries to explain away the lack of zyklon staining with muh wind and rain erosion. Are you a retard anon? You really believe this dude?
You don't need to believe anything, there's the polish study. And the leuchter report objectively has a shit ton of methodological problems. Is your entire argument "you really believe this"?
>He claims there is a study by the Polish Institute of Forensic Research but doesn't name said report, no links, nothing. Might come back to that one later too.
http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/orgs/polish/institute-for-forensic-research/
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Its almost as if /his/ is unaware that Hitler was elected. Crazy that there were so many monsters in Germany, Germans really are the worst scum of the earth, murderers. All of them.
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>>3351879
And yet /his/ on here isn't being really serious in their empathy towards those being killed. For instance most of you don't care if all Muslims got killed. I.e. killed, its not enough for you to see them reject Islam, a lot of you won't be satisfied until all Muslims are exterminated including ex-Muslims.
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>>3351962
>t. never read anything about NS
On the contrary I've read several books on National Socialism, shithead. You're the one whose deluding himself into thinking racism wasn't central to Nazism. They were proud of it to you fucking cuck, so if you really supported the Nazis you should be proud and unapologetic about your ideas instead of trying to hide behind smoke and mirrors like a wimp
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>>3352255
>>3352314
"...the greater the number of Jews liquidated, the more consolidated will the situation in Europe be after this war."-Mar 6, 1942
>"The procedure is a pretty barbaric one and not to be described here more definitely. Not much will remain of the Jews. On the whole it can be said that about 60 per cent of them will have to be liquidated whereas only about 40 per cent can be used for forced labor."-Mar 27, 1942
>""Short shrift is made of the Jews in all eastern occupied areas. Tens of thousands of them are liquidated."-april 29,1942
>"At bottom, however, I believe both the English and the Americans are happy that we are exterminating the Jewish riff-raff."-Dec 13, 1942
>"We are now definitely pushing the Jews out of Berlin. ... On the Jewish question, especially, we have taken a position from which there is no escape."-March 2, 1943
>"[Hitler] approved of my measures and specifically ordered me to make Berlin entirely free of Jews."-March 9, 1943
>"There is therefore no other recourse left for modern nations except to exterminate the Jew...."-may 13, 1943
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>>3352370
Hitler was appointed chancellor after getting less votes than socialists+communists and immediately began persecuting opponents, suspended civil liberties and closed the reichstag. He never got over 40% in a free election. Although it's a retarded argument anyway, normal people are absolutely capable of voting genocidal sociopaths.
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>>3352314
>>3352255
>"I also want to talk to you, quite frankly, on a very grave matter. Among ourselves it should be mentioned quite frankly, and yet we will never speak of it publicly. Just as we did not hesitate on June 30th, 1934 to do the duty we were bidden, and stand comrades who had lapsed, up against the wall and shoot them, so we have never spoken about it and will never [p. 65] speak of it. It was that tact which is a matter of course and which I am glad to say, is inherent in us, that made us never discuss it among ourselves, never to speak of it. It appalled everyone, and yet everyone was certain that he would do it the next time if such orders are issued and if it is necessary. I mean the clearing out of the Jews, the extermination of the Jewish race. It's one of those things it is easy to talk about - "The Jewish race is being exterminated", says one party member, "that's quite clear, it's in our program - elimination of the Jews, and we're doing it, exterminating them." And then they come, 80 million worthy Germans, and each one has his decent Jew. Of course the others are vermin, but this one is an A-1 Jew. Not one of all those who talk this way has witnessed it, not one of them has been through it. Most of you must know what it means when 100 corpses are lying side by side, or 500 or 1000. To have stuck it out and at the same time - apart from exceptions caused by human weakness - to have remained decent fellows, that is what has made us hard. This is a page of glory in our history which has never been written and is never to be [p. 66] written, for we know how difficult we should have made it for ourselves, if - with the bombing raids, the burdens and the deprivations of war - we still had Jews today in every town as secret saboteurs, agitators and trouble-mongers. We would now probably have reached the 1916/17 stage when the Jews were still in the German national body."-Posen Speech. Oct 4, 1943
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>>3352255
>>3352314
>"If the international Jewish financiers in and outside Europe should succeed in plunging the nations once more into a world war, then the result will not be the bolshevization of the earth, and thus the victory of Jewry, but the annihilation of the Jewish race in Europe!"-Jan 31, 1939
>"And we say that the war will not end as the Jews imagine it will, namely with the uprooting of the Aryans, but the result of this war will be the complete annihilation of the Jews."-Jan 30, 1942
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>>3352351
>If someone makes a retarded claim and you refute it, it isn't "red herring"
Red herring means it's pointless to go after. In reality when I take the time to point out the stupidity of Aaron's newspaper shenanigans I'm wasting my time because he's groping straws that aren't relevant to the topic.
>should be complaining to the other stormfags.
Stormfags believe in the holocaust, retard
>there's the polish study.
Link it.
>has a shit ton of methodological problems.
Lay them out. Spit it out or you're wrong.
>Is your entire argument "you really believe this"?
Yeah because I'm going to believe the nazis pressure washed the walls before retreating. You know it's retarded tinfoil, I know it's retarded tinfoil. So accept it and drop it.
And thank you for linking the study results.
Very interesting.
I'm shocked Krematorium III had the lowest concentration that's the one they claimed would have 2000 victims done in at a time.
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>>3352375
>on here isn't being really serious in their empathy towards those being killed.
What does that have to do with the argument at hand. This is not an empathy contest. It's a matter of proving that the extermination of Jews happened. It's not a matter of conjuring up fleeting emotions. It's a matter of looking at the facts.
>For instance most of you don't care if all Muslims got killed. I.e. killed, its not enough for you to see them reject Islam...
an ad hominem and a total unsubstantiated claim on your part. It's pathetic, really.
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>>3352394
>racism
>killing
What the fuck is wrong with you?
>YOU'RE A WIMP IF YOU DON'T WANT TO GAS THE KIKES RACEWAR NOW
Okay I'll start with you give me your address.
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>>3352400
Nice sourceless quotes anon. WTF I'm a #flatearther now.
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>>3352417
>Link it.
http://www.msz.gov.pl/en/ministry/polish_diplomacy_archive/collections_online/publication_of_the_ministry_of_foreign_affairs_of_1942__on_the_extermination_of_jews_in_occupied_poland
https://www.msz.gov.pl/resource/e7497fea-f446-4f82-80b1-169d609d697a:JCR
>Report of Auschwitz prisoner, 1943
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Witold's_Report
http://witoldsreport.blogspot.com/2008/05/volunteer-for-auschwitz-report-by.html
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>>3352419
Extermination of the Jews did happen faggot.
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>>3352426
Sourceless? Google is your friend.
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>>3352404
>Posen Speech
Oh yes. The speech recording that was never proven to be Himmler's and has no documentation proving it occurred.
I've got a video of an alien telling us how they're going to laser beam the Earth in December 2012 wanna hear it?
When did /his/ become /x/?
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>>3352442
Those quotes are fake and you just came up with them. Google it.
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>>3352434
Then what are you trying to prove with your emotional tangent?
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>>3352417
>Red herring means it's pointless to go after.
Again, complain to your fellow stormtards.
>Stormfags believe in the holocaust, retard
:^)
>Link it.
Did you even read my post?
>Lay them out. Spit it out or you're wrong.
Do you know how to google?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leuchter_report#Claims_and_criticism
>inb4 b-b-b-but muh jew conspiracy wikipedia
Go to the sources if you're triggered. Or to any other website really, not even modern stormfags accept the leuchter report.
>Yeah because I'm going to believe the nazis pressure washed the walls before retreating
Pretty sure we were talking about rain.
>You know it's retarded tinfoil, I know it's retarded tinfoil. So accept it and drop it.
I know you're desperate enough to make up imaginary arguments to refute.
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>>3352431
>Witold report
Oh yeah the guy who magically got his info to the Polish govt in exile in London and made an action movie escape from the camp.
His report was published in 2000. Really makes you think.
The Karski report source isn't related to the study I was asking you to link but you already linked a relevant site. (Karski report is just like the Witold report though, Poles are hilarious when they try to fib)
msz.gov isn't working.
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>>3352247
then post his arguments instead of simply making an appeal to authority, because your arguments were really weak
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>>3352488
Not addressing the substance
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>>3352488
>Oh yeah the guy who magically got his info to the Polish govt in exile in London and made an action movie escape from the camp.
Are you serious? They were constantly in contact. Do you even know anything about Polish Underground during WW2?
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>>3352488
You seem to be under the impression that simply saying you don't believe something is an argument that allows you to dismiss it. You're free to do so, but no one has any reason to take you seriously.
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>>3352460
It's called autism, virgin.
>>3352469
>Again, complain to your fellow stormtards.
Stormniggers believe in the holocaust.
>know how to google?
>Wikipedia
You're a joke.
Get off /his/.
There are literally fucking footnotes with real sources on Wikipedia. Stop being a lazy kike/stormweenie.
>>inb4 b-b-b-but muh jew conspiracy wikipedia
I'm not the one wearing tinfoil bud. Jews don't run the world stormfag you're paranoid.
>not even modern stormfags accept the leuchter report.
That's because they believe in the holocaust
>Pretty sure we were talking about rain.
Yeah but 'water erosion' ya feel?
Either way you go, water erosion is a shit excuse.
>I know you're desperate enough to make up imaginary arguments to refute.
WTF I believe in the Roswell coverup now
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>>3352514
>It's called autism, virgin.
>defends nazis
>calls anyone autistic virgin
LMAO
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>>3352514
>You're a joke.
Come back when you are able to explain how those aren't methodological problems.
I'd particularly like to hear how:
1. taking random samples that were heavily exposed to the rain 2. destroying the samples, 3. assuming the concentration necessary to kill humans is higher than that to kill lice, when the opposite is true, 4. looking for prussian blue instead of detecting cyanide directly
are not relevant. Or why an actual forensic institute that knew what the fuck they were doing did find evidence.
>Either way you go, water erosion is a shit excuse.
Based on your expert knowledge of cyanide exposure to rain I presume.
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>>3352488
>His report was published in 2000. Really makes you think.
That's full report. Parts of it Report "W" was published in 1991. Before that it couldn't be published because of the Communist regime. It also needed to be decoded.
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>>3351852
nazis were a little stupid
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>>3352507
He called the Polished govt in exile via his sattelite phone from Auschwitz. Got it.
Used a hidden radio tower to transmit vital information to Warsaw and London from Auschwitz.
LOL
>>3352513
You seem to be under the impression that you can "win" an argument by asserting your opponent is making a fallacious move and ignoring any of the times said opponent BTFOs your citations.
>>3352499
Polish resistance dude gets self arrested so he can try to cause prisoner revolt at prison camp to help weaken occupying army.
Specific claims are iffy, overall claim also somewhat iffy.
I like the 8000 bodies burned per day stat.
They used coal coke 2max-muffler crematoriums, 38 active at most ever. It takes 2-2 and a half hours to cremate ONE corpse with coke sometimes excluding the remaining bones.
Science baby.
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>>3352555
>opponent BTFOs your citations
I'm not the guy that cited shit but you didn't btfo anything. You didn't do anything besides claim that you don't believe those citations, mostly based on rationalizations that nobody cares about.
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>>3352555
>It takes 2-2 and a half hours to cremate ONE corpse with coke sometimes excluding the remaining bones
Where did you get this information from? According to people who built the krematoria it takes like 20 minutes to burn a body.
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>>3352555
>It takes 2-2 and a half hours to cremate ONE corpse with coke sometimes excluding the remaining bones.
False.
>Science baby.
Stormfag """""science""""".
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>>3352314
>I bet this shitter has an excuse for there being a pool at Auschwitz too.
What do you think that pool is for?
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>>3352521
I didn't call you autistic. If you were autistic maybe you wouldn't be a retard.
>>3352546
>Samples were exposed to rain
There's no proof of that, he could have used a stone that WASN'T faced to get washed. And if for that matter why should the report by the Poles be believed?
>destroying samples
How so?
>The concentration to kill lice is higher than to kill humans
You just answered one of your own long time questions about the holocaust if you ever had it.
Namely, why they had so much pesticide stored.
>The Polish Study
Proved that there were merely trace amounts of substance in various materials in the camps. They took samples from places Leuchter also did and (or appear to have gotten) got more accurate results.
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>>3352590
>Proved that there were merely trace amounts of substance in various materials in the camps
That would support the official theory.
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>>3351852
Because they wanted to kill all the Jews.
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>>3352564
>you just didn't believe!
>rationalizations
These two things don't match.
>>3352566
http://www.acremation.com/frequently-asked-questions/
Coal coke can burn at 1500 degrees, so assuming we're burning your average malnourished prisoner and not a typhoid skeleton it would take all of 2-3 hours to burn that one individual's flesh off. Stack two bodies, and it takes even longer.
Most of the people that were 'gassed' were shipped right in after capture so it would take the longest possible time assuming they're not starved.
>>3352572
>false
Yeah disprove me with your feels because you don't believe what I'm saying. Real classy.
>ur lieing sturmfag!!
Infantile.
>>3352584
In my opinion? Guards. They had several amenities that may or may not have been shared with prisoners but noone knows because the information was lost over time like the rabbit farming and sports.
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>>3352608
No it wouldn't, not at ALL.
In fact, the Polish report disproves the official claim of the gassings because the Krematorium cellars have less traces of cyanide than the clothes treatment building. If they were running thousands upon thousands of people through these killing ops there would be equal or MORE cyanide pollution in these areas.
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>>3352639
>Krematorium cellars have less traces of cyanide than the clothes treatment building
You need more cyanide to clean the clothes than to kill people.
The report also states the levels in gas chambers were higher than in other areas in complex that were not exposed to cyanide.
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>>3352590
You should have actually read the Polish study.
>In his reasoning Leuchter (2) claims that the vestigial
amounts of cyanide combinations detected by him in the
materials from the chamber ruins are residues left after
fumigations carried out in the Camp "once, long ago"(Item
14.004 of the Report). This is refuted by the negative
results of the examination of the control samples from
living quarters, which are said to have been subjected to a
single gassing, and the fact that in the period of
fumigation of the Camp in connection with a typhoid epidemic
in mid-1942 there were still no crematoria in the Birkenau
Camp. The first crematorium (Crematorium II) was put to use
as late as 15 March 1943 and the others several months
later.
>The present study shows that in spite of the passage of a
considerable period of time (over 45 years) in the walls of
the facilities which once were in contact with hydrogen
cyanide the vestigial amounts of the combinations of this
constituent of Zyklon B have been preserved. This is also
true of the ruins of the former gas chambers. The cyanide
compounds occur in the building materials only locally, in
the places where the conditions arose for their formation
and persistence for such a long time.
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>>3352590
>There's no proof of that
Leuchter took random samples from the floor, according to his own account. He never claimed to have taken samples not exposed to rain even though this is probably the most common complain his report faces. This is a really desperate argument.
>And if for that matter why should the report by the Poles be believed?
Why shouldn't it be? Are there any methodological problems? Or do you just dismiss what collides with your stormtard beliefs? Strange, I thought the holocaust was the actual conspiracy.
>How so?
>The samples of brick, mortar and concrete that Leuchter took were of indeterminate thickness: not being aware of this, the lab ground the samples to a fine powder which thus severely diluted the cyanide-containing layer of each sample with an indeterminate amount of brick, varying for each sample.
>You just answered (...)
Nice cop out.
>got more accurate results.
Good, so we agree that actual evidence does prove gassing.
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>>3352584
Swimming, duh.
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>>3352649
I don't know why you're no understanding what I am saying.
You would need a lot of cyanide to kill many people. It's about the AMOUNT of people, we're not talking a couple thousand we're talking millions.
And fuck the report check the amounts themselves. Micrograms to kilograms is a relatively puny ratio.
>>3352651
>living quarters fumigation
Yeah right.
Their clothes were treated with the pesticide, thus they would carry that residue with them in their clothing. And where do they go the most often? Their living quarters?
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>>3352666
And yet, those living quarters have lower concentration of Zyklon B than ruins of gas chambers. Interesting, isn't it?
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>>3352658
I said "why should they be believed" as in, if the samples he took were too shoddy why aren't the Poles' too shoddy?
Stop being a faggot.
>each sample is uneven
OH
Okay NOW I understand your concern. See if you would have said that first thing we would have been on the same page. That practically invalidates the experiment entirely.
>Cop out
Read what I said, it's off-topic but relevant to you.
>proves gassing
It proves the opposite.
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>>3352666
>It's about the AMOUNT of people
Amount of people is irrelevant, concentration is important.
t. Bc. of chemistry
Also the amount of clothes gassed was likely equal or even greater to the amount of people gassed.
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>>3352631
>Yeah disprove me with your feels because you don't believe what I'm saying. Real classy.
XIX century (!) book about cremations in under an hour:
https://ia802607.us.archive.org/11/items/cremationdead00eassgoog/cremationdead00eassgoog.pdf
Not to mention there are several nazi sources claiming cremations way under an hour
>http://www.acremation.com/frequently-asked-questions/
>it's a stormfag trying to compare commercial cremations to industrial genocide episode
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>>3352681
>I said "why should they be believed" as in, if the samples he took were too shoddy why aren't the Poles' too shoddy?
Because they knew what the fuck they were doing and took samples that were as much protected from the rain as possible. Are you retarded? Why do you think the results are different?
>it's off-topic
Exactly.
>It proves the opposite.
:^)
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The Holohoax didn't happen. The Germans were being demonized because they didn't have a Rothschild run bank in control of NS Germany. That's why they demonized Hitler and NS.
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>>3352675
Krematorium II and Krematorium IV
Deductively now I have to ask if they stored any materiel, clothes, or burned any clothes in those specific facilities.
The other two have about as much as the living quarters.
>>3352684
I've read that book, it's very antiquated and doesn't cover coke cremation. We're talking about a specific fuel that doesn't burn very hot.
1500 is near where they limit crematoriums today to burn bodies at (safety and machine longevity) which takes up to 3 hours and 1500 degrees is on the high end of the possible temp coke can get up to.
You absolutely cannot burn a human corpse in under an hour with coal coke. Or even coal for that matter.
Also consider the amount of coal coke needed to burn millions of bodies.
That's a lot of coal coke being diverted from wherever else to these places.
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>>3352718
>Modern safe and respectful cremation and mass cremation is the same as mass cremation in concentration camp
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>>3352682
Dude
They had to empty the bodies out before moving new victims in which requires allowing the fumes to settle, so they'd have to replace the fumigants constantly.
Also since you're a chemist you should know how cyanide based pesticide pellets need to be cooked to fumigate anything. No claim has ever been made that the nazis had heating elements in the gas chambers to cook the cyanide.
The claim is they dropped it on the floor and it would evaporate in less than 15 minutes.
Not shitting you.
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>>3352731
fuck, I'm tired
*Modern safe and respectful cremation is the same as mass cremation in concentration camp
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>>3352718
>That's a lot of coal coke being diverted from wherever else to these places.
That's the whole fucking question, you idiot.
Why they wasted resources they needed in order to kill all the Jews.
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You can't question the Polish study. Because it clearly proves that gassing took place in Krematoria I-V. I guess you can call it a conspiracy, but when this "they didn't find anything" nonsense came from? They found high concentrations of Zyklon B in virtually all samples from every krematorium. Some of them almost as high as samples from disinfaction facilities.
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>>3352734
>No claim has ever been made that the nazis had heating elements in the gas chambers to cook the cyanide
That's wrong
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>>3352731
DUDE WHY ARE YOU NOT READING WHAT I AM WRITING
Coal coke burns at maximum at 1500 degrees, which burns bodies in between 2-3 hours.
I was giving you a fucking comparison.
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>>3352740
Because that was their goal.
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>>3352749
Prove me wrong then, I have not read a single memoir nor testimony alleging they had a heater in the basement for the pellets.
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>>3352718
>still comparing nazi industrial cremation to your grandads cremation
>still unable to explain why several independent nazis sources lied about their cremation times
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>>3352773
Sources don't come from "the tribunals".
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>>3352773
>WHY ARE YOU MISINTERPRETING WHAT I WROTE
I'm not misinterpreting anything. You are indeed comparing your grandad's cremation to industrial genocide.
>Are they from the tribunals?
Both from tribunals and from internal nazi documents.
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>>3352758
Letter from SS-Sturmbannfuehrer Jahrling to Topf & Sons, March 6 1943 [Pressac, p. 221]
Subject: KL Auschwitz Krematorien II and III
In accordance with your suggestion, the service agrees that cellar 1 should be preheated with the air coming from the rooms of the 3 forced draught installations. The supply and installation of the ductwork and blowers necessary to this end are to be effected as soon as possible. As you point out in your above-mentioned letter, execution should commence this week. We would ask you to send in triplicate detailed quote for supply and installation.
At the same time, we would ask you to send an additional quotation for the modification of the air-extraction installation in the undressing room.
It took me less than a minute to google that, why couldn't you do that? Why do you base your beliefs on such shaky grounds that even quick googling can disprove it?
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>>3352773
Because you're making the claim that Eassie is irrelevant because he doesn't cover coke cremation; and that therefore the amount of time it would have taken the Nazis to burn a body is similar to a modern cremator, which also by the way doesn't use coke cremation. You then "prove" that a Nazi cremation must have taken the same three hours, based on nothing, least of all that your link does not in any way, shape or form claim that a modern cremation takes 3 hours because they can't design things to burn bodies faster.
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How badly does your life have to go that you deny/revise the holocaust?
Is there a single holocaust denier who is mentally stable ?
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>>3352788
He's going to say it doesn't count because the heated air was from somewhere else and not directly in the room
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>>3352255
>german.jpg
>Division Azul helmet
Yeah, nah, you're a cunt.
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>>3352794
I bet he talks about his heritage a lot and tells people that McGregor was "winning" the first few rounds against Mayweather
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>>3352734
What? This is from the instruction of Zyklon B:
>The instructions discuss using Zyklon at low temperatures,
even below five degrees Celsius. To fumigate a building, it
will take 8g of prussic acid per cubic meter for 16 hours at
temperatures above five degrees Celsius. Even warmer
temperatures need only 6 hours fumigation time. If the
temperature is below five degrees Celsius, the fumigation time
is to be extended to 32 hours.
It will evaporate in temperatures even below five degree Celsius. It will just take longer.
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>>3352779
Okay give source
>>3352787
>Tribunals
Avalon Project by Yale. Read the whole transcript.
http://avalon.law.yale.edu/imt/imtconst.asp
Read the whole thing.
Also
>internal nazi documents
Okay post one.
>>3352788
Show me a scan of a document rather than a copy paste when you have something like that. Also
>Pressac
LOL
>>3352793
He is irrelevant it would take extreme heat to burn a body in less than an hour and coke does not cut it.
>muh modern cremator
COMPARISON FUCK OFF
>based on nothing
Scroll up idiot.
>muh modern cremator
Dude you're the first person in months to successfully troll me.
Congratulations.
>>3352794
When someone tells me a lie and I find out it's a lie I get really fucking mad.
Same deal.
>>3352818
McGregor fumbled that fucking match. It was like watching this year's superbowl again. Mayweather won that war of attrition hands down.
>>3352826
For the numbers of victims to work it could not take hours. Absolutely not.
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>>3352839
>He is irrelevant it would take extreme heat to burn a body in less than an hour and coke does not cut it.
[citation needed] You have not given anythign to claim that coal coke can not burn at the temperatures required to burn a body in under an hour. You haven't even demonstrated how much heat you do need to get in order to burn a body in under an hour.
>COMPARISON FUCK OFF
You brought it up, not me.>>3352631
http://www.acremation.com/frequently-asked-questions/
Why did you bring it up if it's irrelevant? What else, besides your acre cremation link, demonstrates that it would take 2-3 hours to "burn that one individual's flesh off", or that burning multiple bodies would take longer?
>Scroll up idiot.
I've read your posts. You have not demonstrated your claims.
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>>3352839
>fumbled
>war of attrition
Both of those imply McGregor was at some point in control of, or even with Mayweather during the fight
Getting TKO'd by a two year retiree that's known for drawing matches out to a decision and having him look like he came from a day at the spa is not two people grinding each other down
You are using words you dont understand, know nothing about boxing, and clearly know nothing about history
Fuck off autist
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>>3352839
>For the numbers of victims to work it could not take hours. Absolutely not.
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/auschwitz/cyanide/cyanide.001
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>>3352751
Because you are writing lies. Modern cremation with all of it's regulation is literally incomparable. Only a brainlet would bring up modern cremation as argument against what the manufacturer and operators stated.
>Operating Instructions for Coke-Fired Topf Double-Muffle Incineration Furnace:
"As soon as the remains of the corpses have fallen from the chamotte grid to the ash collection channel below, they should be pulled forward towards the ash removal door, using the scraper. Here they can be left a further 20 minutes to be fully consumed, then the ashes should be placed in a container and set aside to cool.... In the meantime, further corpses can be introduced one after the other into the chambers."
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>>3352839
>Read the whole thing.
I think you should read it first. Also, look at the evidence presented by the Allies. Mostly documents.
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Reminder that the Nazis themselves, even as they were being led to the gallows, never denied the holocaust.
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>>3352839
>Okay post one.
>Letter of 14 July 1941 from the Topf engineer Paul Erdmann to the construction office Mauthausen on a cremation rate of 33 to 40 min per corpse “without overloading” the two-muffle oven [Mattogno, I Forni Crematori di Auschwitz, p. 406]
>Letter for Hans Kori to concentration camp Majdanek that the cremation time of his ovens can be halved to 30 min per corpse by employing multiple cremations [Mattogno, I Forni Crematori di Auschwitz, p. 422]
>LOL
See >>3352513
>He is irrelevant it would take extreme heat to burn a body in less than an hour and coke does not cut it.
Which you haven't proven.
>b-b-but what about muh grandad's cremation
>When someone tells me a lie
Imagine your reaction when you find out you were retarded enough to fall for neonazi lies.
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>>3351852
Because the goal was to kill all jews. What part of this dont you stormfags understand
>hurr but its crazy from a practical standpoint to do that in the middle of a war!
and yet, you still dick ride them. They thought jews back stabbed them in the first world war, so why would they think they would do anything else in the second world war?
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>>3352839
https://www.phdn.org/archives/holocaust-history.org/auschwitz/topf/topf-8-9-42.jpg
>documents
This one is nice.
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>>3352818
>McGregor was "winning" the first few rounds against Mayweather
he was though you tard
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>>3352904
inb4 he can't read German, therefore it's a (((lie)))
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>>3352905
If you've never watched boxing or don't know how Mayweather fights maybe
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>>3352839
>Show me a scan of a document rather than a copy paste when you have something like that
Now show me some mental gymnastics!
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>>3352255
>Also I like the "THE NAZIS COVERED EVERYTHING UP"
>Yes just like NASA is covering up how the Earth is flat and killed millions of questioners amirite?
what is Aktion 1005?
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>>3352856
>you need to demonstrate how much heat you need to burn in under an hour
L O L
>you have not demonstrated your claims
Okay want to set up an experiment where I cremate you
>>3352859
Whatever the case the Mick got Potato Famine'd
>>3352861
Irrelevant my man what I mean is the cyanide would need to evap and fumigate the room in only a few minutes so the Germans could quickly cycle victims. Otherwise the numbers would be impossible.
>>3352862
I am writing truths, you're deluded and wearing a little too much tinfoil. Loosen it a bit will you?
>Modern cremation with all of it's regulation is literally incomparable
I was comparing the temperatures used and time taken to give a somewhat relatable example. I don't know why you can't wrap your head around that.
I don't know why you keep making this about the manufacturers and operators neither.
>instruction guide as to the removal of ashes
What relevance does this have to anything I've said? Is this a retort to the argument that there's leftover bone matter?
>>3352865
I already read it.
Read it.
>Allies
Map related. All the death camps fell under Soviet occupied area.
Unless you count the Soviets as members of the 'allies' which IMO is retarded. Stop it.
>>3352880
Dude you fucked up this post bad. Are you drunk?
>>3352904
Thank you for providing the scan for that document. Do you perchance have an English translation?
>>3352910
Have you considered suicide?
>>3352926
Thank you for the scan. See if you would have posted that and the transcript you would have been golden.
>>3352975
Aktion 1005 AKA the lazy cop-out by the Soviets where they claim the Germans burned everything.
Yeah real unbiased and based in reality.
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>>3352881
Holohoax never happened.
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>>3353018
>still hasn't given any proof for his claims
>still hasn't explained why nazis lied about their own cremation capacity
>still comparing his grandpa cremation to nazi cremation
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>>3351852
Nazis (and Germans in general) were not logical people
>>3351904
This
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>>3353032
>still hasn't explained why nazis lied about their own cremation capacity
Read the Nuremberg Transcripts and you'll figure out the answer.
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>>3353018
>Aktion 1005 AKA the lazy cop-out by the Soviets where they claim the Germans burned everything.
EVERYTHING THAT PROVES ME WRONG IS EITHER A RUSSIAN OR JEWISH LIE! I DONT HAVE TO BACK UP THIS RIDICULOUS CLAIM AT ALL JUST BELIEVE ME! ALSO, YOU ARE BIASED UNLIKE ME WITH MY RETARDED NEO-NAZI SOURCES WITH NO CITATIONS!
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>>3353133
The documents provided have nothing to do with the nuremberg trials, stormnigger. Try again.
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>>3353018
>Aktion 1005 AKA the lazy cop-out by the Soviets where they claim the Germans burned everything.
>In November 1942, in Eichmann's office in Berlin, I met Standartenfuehrer Plobel [sic], who was leader of Kommando 1005, which was specially assigned to remove all traces of the final solution of the Jewish problem by Einsatz Groups and all other executions. Kommando 1005 operated from at least autumn 1942 to September 1944 and was all this period subordinated to Eichmann. The mission was constituted after it first became apparent that Germany would not be able to hold all the territory occupied in the East and it was considered necessary to remove all traces of the criminal executions that had been committed. While in Berlin in November 1942, Plobel [sic] gave a lecture before Eichmann's staff of specialists on the Jewish question from the occupied territories. He spoke of the special incinerators he had personally constructed for use in the work of Kommando 1005. It was their particular assignment to open the graves and remove and cremate the bodies of persons who had been previously executed. Kommando 1005 operated in Russia, Poland and through the Baltic area. I again saw Plobel [sic] in Hungary in 1944 and he stated to Eichmann in my presence that the mission of Kommando 1005 had been completed."-SS-Hauptsturmführer Dieter Wisliceny
https://web.archive.org/web/20070810065326/http://www.ess.uwe.ac.uk/genocide/Wisliceny.htm
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>>3351852
It was a net gain in resources. You get to confiscate their wealth, use them as free labor, and spend minimal food resources on them.
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>>3352498
We already know his arguments you dimwit, and the guy already posted it, ie: "christianity is a cuckold religion"
You're just too ignorant to know who nietzche is and his opinion of christianity.
How about YOU post some arguments you fucking "muh logical fallacy" screaming faggot
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>>3352375
>a lot of you won't be satisfied until all Muslims are exterminated including ex-Muslims.
That's the /pol/tards you're talking about. Most of us on this board aren't /pol/tards.
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>>3351990
>Germany didn't need a "strong leader" if there was no crisis.
There really wasn't any crisis, except the Great Depression, which is something that nearly every country had to deal with. It was in no way limited to Germany, and plenty of other nations were about to get through it without having some crazy dude take over the government.
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Holocaust deniers believe a strange thing. They think it's more likely that something happened which there is no historical precedent for - that Jews, Allies, and Soviets (despite the latter two's disagreements) all collaborated for years to create a hoax genocide - than that something happened which there are numerous historical precedents for - one people genociding another.
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/his/ are libcucks that tow the lolocaust line. It obviously a scam with little real World evidence. His screaming nazi is all they have.
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>>3352314
>>3352255
Good post!
Now go back to your grave hans
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>>3353706
>/his/ are libcucks that tow the lolocaust line. It obviously a scam with little real World evidence.
Then why 99% of historians that study the topic concur with the fact that it occured?
Oh wait muh jews are able to influence, and manipulate, thousands if not millions of well-respected scientists over the course of 70 years
That's so logical :^)
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Because the Nazis were super into amphetamines and before amphetamines, cocaine.
Turns out if you take stimulants that powerful for an extended period, you start going crazy.
Weird, I know.
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>>3353725
Well using newly instituted cultural and economic measures can certainly make it much more difficult.
Or you can make it illegal to say otherwise. That has a way of inhibiting research
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>>3351852
Because white Germans are EVIL and should not be given the opportunity to do such things to humans. I can't wait until their sorry ass language and race dies out and wish every woman everywhere would refuse to date, marry, sleep or have kids with blue-eyed, thin-haired, light-skinned men who sunburn easily. We need to do them like they've done everyone else -- reject them based on their genitalia and/or skin tone. We women need to stop accepting the "bone" white men throw us by marrying (AKA enslaving) us into their stupid, patriarchal, Guild Age European surnames, and realize that despite being called the "fairer sex," we have never been in power with the White Man. We need to realize that we have more in common with the "brown" races than we ever could with White men and stop the incestuous trend of giving them White babies to continue the tradition of White Supremacy. Ladies, stop listening to your parents and don't marry a white guy.
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>>3353878
Hitler was so inbred that he was basically a clone of his father! His mother was his fathers niece!
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>>3353706
No, you're just a stupid storm cuck who got BTFO and have no argument for your retarded conspiracy theory
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If you haven't noticed Nazi Germany wasn't into the whole "let's use resources efficiently" thing
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>>3351879
So send them off to die on the Russian Front.
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>>3353925
Wouldn't they just defect?
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>>3351852
Hitler really wanted to be certain that even if he ultimately lost the war, Europe would be free of Jews at the end of it all.
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>>3353725
Haha you get locked up for questioning it. You berk. How can anyone dispute a lie which lands you in jail.
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>>3353982
>you get locked up for questioning it
No you don't, unless you print out something along the lines of "the holocaust never happened, but it should of"
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>>3353725
>people aren't intellectually dishonest
>academics often stick their necks out on genuinely controversial issues
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>>3353725
>Oh wait muh jews are able to influence, and manipulate, thousands if not millions of well-respected scientists over the course of 70 years
And 10% of the population is gay.
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>>3354251
4% including the entirety of LGBTQIA and any other letters you can add on, until you're singing the alphabet song with Snuffy and Big Bird. if you're in the US.
Really sizzles your steak, huh?
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>>3351852
That's unironically what the communists did to people they didn't like.
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>>3353878
This.
Literally every genocide was committed by white people or at least instigated by white people.
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>>3351852
The idea was that Jews were subversive elements that would be a detriment to the war effort and thus they had to be removed from the general populace. Obviously this was initially just to be done by separating them via concentration camps. Death camps were a later addition.
>Why not just conscript them in the army as cannon fodder
The German army didn't operate like that, it was tactically closer to a modern army. The individual soldier held more responsibility. The higher ups made large-scale decisions while the boots on the ground were supposed to see how to implement them in practice. You cannot do that with people who don't really want to fight for your purpose as they are not motivated to see things through on their own.
>Make women and children work in factories.
They did.
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>>3351852
fascism isn't based on logic
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>>3351990
>>3353679
> no crisis
Hyperinflation in the weimar republic is still used as a textbook example of a complete nationwide financial meltdown.
> tfw frogs demand you repay the WW1 reparations in gold only
> tfw bongs and burgers hoard all the gold and refuse to trade it at fair market value
> tfw your government has to issue new currency because it can't back your fiat money
> tfw your government has do that 3 times in less than 10 years
> not a crisis
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>>3354612
Hyperinflation happened a decade before the Nazis even really stepped on the scene.
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>>3351852
>Why would the germans waste resources and manpower to kill jews?
Because the "Nazis are efficient" is a myth.
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>>3351852
>Why not just conscript them in the army as cannon fodder under false promises that they'll get land after the war's over and the nazi regime will leave them alone?
Did you miss the whole race ideology that the Nazis had going on?
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>>3351904
Because they wanted land to be able to be independent and develop. The entire point of the war over land was so that Germany wouldn't have to rely on foreign trade in the future and could try to avoid another huge economic collapse.
Do you people not even look at both sides before you call the loser stupid?
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>>3355026
you have nothing at all to back up your claims, bitch about biased sources when all you do is read neo-nazi website(which again, have no actual proof) and continue to behave like a stupid jackass and wonder why no one, and I mean no one takes you conspiracy theorist seriously. Holocaust denial is a cult for people who dont even know what the holocaust is in the first place. There is a reason you ALWAYS shitpost threads like these once you start to lose the argument, and its because you know you are wrong.
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>>its a "denier claims every piece of evidence that proves him wrong is a soviet kike lie" episode
>its a "denier claims your source is biased but the shitty citationless neo-nazi blog he gets his conspiracy theories from arent biased at all" episode
>its a "denier doesnt even understand what the holocaust was in the first place"episode
>its a "denier doesnt even know what he believes himself and cant even articulate what his retarded conspiracy theory is and just has to shitpost 5 different 4 hour long youtube videos instead" episode
>its a "denier just throws out the holocaust despite the mountains of evidence, but will jump on stupid shit like the idea that poland was genociding germans despite there being literally not one piece of evidence for this at all" episode
>its a "denier just stops discussing the holocaust and goes on some paranoid rant about the modern state of Israel and the jewlluminati" episode
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Why do stormtards and libtards alike pretend like Hitler was some racist white nationalist, when he was a German nationalist who supported non-whites across the world against white imperialism
>"hurr dirr Hitler killed more whites than anyone else in history"
Hitler was never a white nationalist, he cared about Germany and only Germany, he didn't give a shut about other "white" countries.
The term "white" is an American sociopolitical invention because it's a mongrel state and the various European ethnicities melded together. In Europe proper, the differences are far more defined.
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>>3356435
Unironically, because white nats are edgy faggots, they copied the outlaw motorcycle gang meme of having Nazi imagery to shock and offend, and liberals just do it because Hitler is the worst thing ever to them so all negative comparisons end there
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