>tfw earlier generations imagined that technological development

>>3350823
>implying this isn't a utopia

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>young rationalists trusting old rationalists

Nah it's pretty great. You're just a cunt

>>3350823

As I'm sitting here in my pajamas eating some nice food that was readily available from the fridge, listening to some sweet music and using my PC to access all the world's information freely, I am indeed reminded of how horrible a dystopia we live in. Woe is us.

>>3350854
>>3350840
>>3350827

You're deluded if you think he doesn't have a point. We're basically living in brave new world.

>>3350900

Last summer I, a 24 year old student, went to Thailand and Vietnam. Saw amazing stuff, did exciting activities, had fun parties, ate great food. All for less than €1500, affordable to me at my young age. Looking back on that trip, I am reminded how much our world is like Brave New World. The sad state of my life has be almost in tears. Woe is us.

>>3350840
>>3350827
>>3350854
>>3350912
Read Industrial Society and its Future

>>3350900
Brave New world was an utopia masked as a dystopia

>>3350922
>le BNW was actually an utopia

Not only is this a prime reddit opinion, it's disgusting. But I suppose the degenerate would want to be plugged into the pleasure palace for ever.

>>3350922
It pisses me off that reddit actually views BNW as a fucking utopia. You want to live in basically a soulless cultureless totalitarian one world state where you literally have no purpose but to love your own servitude and be genetically created to love every minute of it? Its eternal youth and the glorification of drugs and porn is essentially what BNW is mixed in with a totalitarian world state.

>>3350922

>soulless, hedonistic, materialistic,totalitarian state

Yup, I can see how a normie would love it

>>3350823
the only question now is how do we get out of this mess?

>>3351028
Forced Feudalism under Robotic Kings for the masses, with hidden megafacilities meant to further the human race beyond the Earth.

ITT: slaves

>>3351028
technocracy?

>>3350900
>brave new world
>dystopia
brainlet spotted

>>3350951
>>3350973
>anyone who disagrees with me is reddit
you have to go back

>>3350900
Shut up m*****

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>>3350973
>>3350951
Explain how it isn't utopian?

There is no fear no pain no sadness
The world has been artificially adapted to cultivate humans

It is not a "good" utopia but it is by definition a utopian society where we have reached the apex of development

That being said i would imagine scientific invention would be severely hampered due to the absence of war which would cripple our long term game of the stars

>>3350823
>"Woe is me; t. pampered firstforlder" the post

>>3351083

What part of "godless, cultureless, hedonistic, materialistic totalitarian society" don't you understand?

>>3351069

>but the Emperor gives us bread and circuses!

>>3351028

At this point I'd say Islam or primitivism

>>3350973
Sounds pretty great to me. Where do I sign up?

>>3351083
A life without those things is not a life worth living.

As tumblrcore as this sounds, it is only through tasting bitter fruits that we come to appreciate the sweet ones

>>3351072
I did not call you reddit perfunctorily.

Their entire site is based on having their views and likes moderated by someone of greater power because they don't want to bother going through the trash.

4chan is the exact opposte.

>>3351102
why is any of that bad?
>>3351117
thats ur poopionion :^)

>>3350854
As I'm sitting here in my nightshirt eating some nice saltpork that was readily available from the pantry, listening to the sweet sounds of horse-drawn carriages outdoors and using my library to access all the world's information freely, I am indeed reminded of how horrible a dystopia we live in. Woe is us.

>>3351143
>all opinions are treated equally here
>haha le 4chan is le going through le trash

Everyone has the back in le old days syndrome. We are generally better, just facing other issues.

>>3351190
I really dislike this way of ignoring complaints about modern life.

Most of the examples people use of "people complaining about how the past was superior" are actually of people who lived in shittier times than that of the past. Homer lived in an era known as Greek Dark Ages that came after the Bronze Age Civilization Collapse.

>>3350831

l-lewd!

>>3351102
>What part of "godless, cultureless, hedonistic, materialistic totalitarian society" don't you understand?
Well, it's a bad thing only if you consider it's bad.

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>waah duhjenracy
Grow up you pathetic faggot and be thankful you're living a comfy life in modern era that gives you the privilege to complain on the Taiwainese basket waving meeting grounds, and not in some pre-modern shithole where your life would be hard, filthy, short and brutal.

>>3351249
>Well, it's a bad thing only if you consider it's bad.

This kind of culture is pretty bad for human happiness, regardless of beliefs.
Pleasure and material wealth don't lead to happiness by themselves, but in a culture like that, people believe they do. So, we have most people aiming at those things and not looking for happiness in the "right places". So, if they fail at getting those things they get miserable, feeling like failures and if they do get those things they still do not get happiness.

But this is not really a case of technological progress leading to this, but of "philosophical regress". Ignorance led to this ideology of ours.

>>3351271
There is more to life than material comfort.

>>3351190
>>3351249
>>3351271
Material conditions have increased but moral, cultural and intellectual levels have plummeted. Modernism had some initial benefits but now it's all just alcohol, casual sex, drugs, electronic entertainment for the average pleb. And the welfare state guarantees they don't starve to death unlike in the past. Past generations thought we'd live in a utopia where everyone was free to cultivate their individual talents in free time. Instead we all just choose to drink fuck and play vidya.

>>3351249
>dude everything is relative lmao

whoa... so this... is the power... of the nu-male...

>>3351285

Industrialism definitely aided the materialist mindset though

Utopia is a liberal hoax.

Real people, real conservatives wish for the return of slavery and hardship on everyone.


In turn, we have a middle ground where there is no slavery but no utopia.

>>3350922
>le BNW was a utopia meme
Daily reminder that life is more meaningful when you have periods of suffering that lead to growth

>>3351102
god is a superstition

Everyone ITT saying Brave New World-tier degeneracy would be a paradise need to read all post-prison Dostoevsky works and you need to read them RIGHT NOW

>>3351341
Everyone saying degeneracy is bad needs to read Lolita and they need to read it RIGHT NOW

>>3351353

>material pleasures will make me happy

Serf detected

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>>3351290
>intellectual levels have plummeted

>>3351353
>muh degeneracy is not bad
See you in the penal colony Rodya

>>3351375
I have never read Jordan Peterson, but would he disagree with that?

>>3351290
>moral
Violent crime had plummeted
>cultural
Universal literacy and education
>intellectual
Flynn effect

>everyone was free to cultivate their individual talents in free time. Instead we all just choose to drink fuck and play vidya.
People read, do sports, travel, paint, sculpt, act and who knows what else. It was back in the days when everything you could do is drink, fuck or play cards.

You are just romantizing the good ol' times. Sooner you realize it the better

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>>3351290
>Implying the pleb ever cared for philosophy, culture, science or anything linked to the mind

>>3351381
The man alone is a standing refutation to the idea that intellectual tradition has collapsed. There are literally millions of people tuning in to listen to this man speak and learn. More information is at our fingertips than has ever been available, not only to the peasantry but also to the most high ranking of nobles. We have a working knowledge of literally everything in human history.

How the fuck this is a step down from people believing that snakes tongues had healing powers and that you needed to bleed people in order to make them healthy is fucking beyond me.

>>3351290
>Instead we all just choose to drink fuck and play vidya.

You worthless nigger thats what you do. Stop projecting on the rest of society because you're a leech who can't be bothered to play the game. People are smarter and more capable than they have literally ever been in human history.

>>3351390
Are you a libertarian?

Morality involves more than crime. And crime involves more than morality.

It doesn't make much of a difference if there is "Universal literacy and education" if people use it to read Harry Potter or watch "The Kardashians".
And IQ is important, but it is not everything when it comes to intellectual richness. IQ is mostly about how fast you can learn new material. A higher IQ doesn't make you wiser.

Thomas Jefferson was much more cultured and intellectually he was stronger than any modern American politician I can think of.

>>3351418
considering that what JP does is basically counter-culture in today's world,
i think the world's intellectual appetite has decreased.

>>3351418
I don't know Jordan Peterson's work, but as far as I know, the percentage of people who listen to him outside of 4chan is pretty small.

>>3351432
>It doesn't make much of a difference if there is "Universal literacy and education" if people use it to read Harry Potter or watch "The Kardashians".
What do you think people read before? Cheesy romantic novels.

>And IQ is important, but it is not everything when it comes to intellectual richness. IQ is mostly about how fast you can learn new material. A higher IQ doesn't make you wiser.
Well, then you can't say that people had "intellectually plumeted".

>Thomas Jefferson was much more cultured and intellectually he was stronger than any modern American politician I can think of.
I don't care about Burger politicians, but something tells me it's because you don't live in his time.

>>3351460
>What do you think people read before? Cheesy romantic novels.
Well, it depends on what you mean by people and what you mean by before.

>Well, then you can't say that people had "intellectually plumeted".
If you don't consider IQ everything, you can.

>I don't care about Burger politicians, but something tells me it's because you don't live in his time.
No, he was intellectually superior

Modern day is neither utopia nor dystopia.

>>3351102
>godless
we have a god of reason.
>cultureless
we are the vanguard of a global culture
>materialistic
no, if anything access to technology has curbed our materialistic excesses
>totalitarian
People are finally beginning to debate freely

Why is /pol/ so retarded?

>>3351290
>moral cultural and intellectual levels have plummetted
>my shitty ass peasant family that would drink during the weekends and fuck pigs now does weed and plays vidya in their spare time.

Peasantry should be driven away from the internet.

>>3351486
they are basically poorly educated underage whitebois who dream of a time when they were the cream of the crop and everyone else in their class was shittier than them.

>>3351486
Talking to yourself is never a good sign.

>>3351428
What is the percentage of people who want to live like a Hollywood Star? What is the percentage of people who have read one Socratic dialogue?

>>3351490
At least a few centuries back we did have some people who were above this. Now even our elites have those values.

>>3351482
>we are the vanguard of a global culture
A mongrelized culture is no culture at all. What are the fruits of this """culture"""? Jeans and burgers?

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>>3351486
>the heir to the crown is a /pol/lack

Off yourself, tardy

>>3351543
See
>>3351211
You mouth breathing mong

>>3351470
>Well, it depends on what you mean by people and what you mean by before.
My Gradma's library and majority of people in 19th and early 20th century. Or do you seriously think people were reading stuff like Dostoyevski or Tolstoy?

>If you don't consider IQ everything, you can.
Oh so it's true because you believe so and evidence is not everything? How postmodern of you.

>No, he was intellectually superior
k. whatever

>>3351505
What was the percentage of people that read the socratic dialogues during the good ol time of feudalism you dumb nigger

>>3351553
That's wonderful observation! The pic in >>3351543 is clearly depicting "shittier times", since we can see how the men no longer need weapons and have time for leisure. Ribbons trully are a mark of poverty and desolation.

>>3351182
yeah

>>3351577
>le peace is always good!
hmmm

>>3351590
>Everything I know about war I learned in videogames!

>>3351553
Except that isn't true you luddite

>>3351590
Why don't you ship out for Afghanistan if war is so great, my Ameriburger friend?

>>3351636
Cringe
>>3351694
Learn reading comprehension.

I didn't say that war is good, only that peace isn't always the better option.

Afghanistan is a situation where peace is the better option.

>>3350823
Be patient, OP. The AI will lead humanity into a Golden Age.

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>>3351707
>Cringe
t. burger who loves war, despite only seeing it on a screen of computer

>>3351722
t. faggot who would accept the most unfair peace if it meant he wouldn't have to go to war

>>3351482

>consumerism
>culture

>>3350922
my christ...
do people literally believe this?
Is happiness for these people truly just the lack of all meaning replaced by pure sensory stimulation?

>>3350922
>the logical positivists strike again

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>>3351724
t. Burger who moved his goalpost so hard it has nothing to do with original question

>>3351736
t. frogposter who can't read

>>3351513

This. And at the very least they had the decency to hush it up and not promote it and act like it was harmless

>>3351728

For the average poster ITT, yes. Look at how tv and pop music portray life- one endless cycle of clubbing, sex, drugs, and electronic entertainment

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>>3351740
Are you even trying to argue for something or are you just here to insult poeple who laugh at this "born into le wrong generation" whining of yours?

>>3351728
>Anon finally realize that people view happiness differently
wew

>>3351748

>happiness is surrendering to base animal instincts

The whole point of society is that we rise above these primitive impulses a d look for meaning in our lives, not just "muh dick" niggers like year. Your mindset is literally everything wrong with western culture.

>>3351745

>"We have discovered happiness," -- say the Last Men, and they blink.

>>3351757

Just because you spend your friday night shitposting on 4chan and not clubbing and doing drugs, doesn't mean your life has more meaning than someone else's.

Its the sour grapes

>>3351776

>don't disagree with me or you are le neckbeard xDDD

>>3351757
>"happiness is surrendering to base animal instincts"
Never imply that.
>"The whole point of society is that we rise above these primitive impulses a d look for meaning in our lives"
The sole point of society is to help us living better lives. You have more chance to survive in a society (even a "primitive" one) than in a hunter-gatherer community.
>"Your mindset is literally everything wrong with western culture."
>Implying this is my mindset
adhominem lol

>>3351789

???
Your posts condemn partying and drug use, and argue for 'rising above' these 'primitive impulse'. I argue that shitposting on 4chan isn't rising above anything. I also wonder what makes you feel that looking for meaning in life is the whole point of society, and why clubbing and drugs can not be a way to look for meaning in life.

>>3351794

>dude just like give into sensory stimulation 24/7
>like just pop another pill or play more vidya
>that's happiness! Don't ever let the stimulation stop! Like just don't think lol!

>>3351804

Sorry, I thought his was for philosophical discussion. Regards to clubbing etc, it's apples and oranges. There's no thinking or searching involved with clubbing. It's just desire fulfillnent(sex), like eating or sleeping.

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The problem is a lot bigger than you think

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>>3351805
>Strawmaning this hard

>>3351813

What's stopping me from doing drugs and having sex on friday night, and reading a good book the next day?

Also thinking and searching for meaning are shitty life goals lol. You wont find any meaning other than "I should have had more fun when I was still young".

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but did they

>>3351827

Spoken like a true serf. Enjoy the pleasure palace.

>>3351083
Science is garbage. Fear, pain, and sadness are not bad things you stupid hedonist.

>>3351390
>violence is relevant to morality
>education and literacy are relevant to culture
You're delusional.

>>3351776
>>3351748
>>3351069
>>3350922
For you guys and anyone else in this thread that think that despising materialist animalist degenerate behavior is just a bunch of stodgy old men or bitter neckbeards complaining about others "living wrong":

Realize that while some of this criticism comes from mere revulsion of those with different subjective "taste" in life without knowing the deeper meaning behind their own disgust. The real concern is not our own preference for life, but the immutable laws of nature.

>“Don't shrink from nature's brutal perfection. Take joy in it. Embrace it. Understand it and revel in it. Respect its strength, its wisdom, its brutality and its all-encompassing power. The highest law has always been, and shall be, nature; and the greatest wisdom forever lives in and through nature's eternal Fascism.”
-Boyd Rice

People that choose a life of decadence, going to parties and fuck and abort their own offspring, rather than living a modest refined life, seeking a suitable partner to raise children with, are destroying themselves along with the rest of society by encouraging that culture.
You can't complain to Nature that your experience and all of morality and reality is subjective. It doesn't listen to appeal. Surely if there is any **Law** of reality and morality it is the **Natural Law**. This is what moralist fags are trying to get at, when they deride and chastise immoral or degenerate behavior. They are chastising behavior that is not conducive to the continuation of the species. By encouraging frivolous living, the Last Man lives only for himself, and his own immediate desires. And anyone who believes in anything sacred about life, even if it's just the joy of experiencing it for its own sake, must admit that the continuation of more life and that that next generation should benefit from the quality of preparation, should always take priority.

>>3351840

I will mate. Honestly you should join us. you are not doing yourself any favors with this sour grapes attitude.

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>>3351844
>violence is irrelevant to morality
>education and literacy is irrelevant to culture

I'm not the one the following posts are answering to.

>>3351748
Thinking that you can find happiness in sensory stimulation is not only a different way of looking at happiness. It is a wrong way of doing so, which will not bring happiness.

>>3351804
Clubbing and using drugs will give you pleasure. But pleasure does not give happiness. Pleasure lasts only a moment, doesn't make you a better person, etc. So, for pointing in the wrong direction to happiness, hedonism is a bad way of life.

And clubbing, using drugs is a life of overindulgence. You become a slave of those pleasures, you desire more of them in larger doses and you feel bad if you can't have them. That's why temperance is a virtue.

That's why promiscuity is bad. You spend your time on pleasures that won't bring you happiness but who will increase your desire for them. And every time you indulge on them, those desires get stronger. And you will do things you will later regret in order to try to appease them.

>>3351845

bull fucking shit

I'm an ambitious student doing 2 degrees. I will have a good job, make a positive impact on humanity, get married and have some cute children.
I also enjoy spending my weekends doing drugs and partying and having casual sex. These things are not mutually exclusive.

>>3351847

Some of us aren't content just being animals, moving from one sensation to the next.

>>3351858
They are only related to the disgusting Burger of the world.
>>3351861
>positive impact
Back to r*ddit.
>I also enjoy spending my weekends doing drugs and partying and having casual sex. These things are not mutually exclusive.
You aren't ambitious, you're a godless STEMsperg who is concerned with phases.

>>3351861

>Trends hate him! Learn how this one anecdote proved statistics wrong

>>3351880
>statistics

Is this how you call your feelings?

>>3351859

Happiness is nothing but a general state of well being. I partly get happiness from having my affairs well in order and being a good person that positively impacts our planet and species. I also partly get happiness from regularly being able to enjoy pleasures such as sex, parties, and drug use.
You have unjustly led yourself to believe that these things are mutually exclusive.

>>3351861

What if I told you you were programmed by the media to do these behaviors
What if I told you you never had an original idea in your life

>>3351877

Enjoy using your philosophy degree to attain happiness through thinking. Let us know when you've found it.

>>3351892

Don't care.

>>3351845
>>3351859

Thank you for these posts anon. Especially the first one is an excellent distillation of my points ITT, and one that I communicate almost word for word irl too.

>>3350823
A comfy environment leads to lethargic consumer zombies. Not necessarily worse than what the average joe was previously up to back in the day though, mostly just humans having evolved for small groups living in scarcity rather than todays massive populations and abundance, leading to some less virtuous behaviors compared to let's say struggling to avoid starvation.

>>3351896
>wanting 'happiness'
Hedonist.

>>3351861
It is a statistical fact that the more sexual partners you have before marriage, the more likely your marriage will end in divorce. Then what kind of effect will that have on your children growing up.
Secondly it is also widely acknowledged by clinical psychologists that the reason for this is because the more you abuse the chemical relationship of sex which causes you to feel joy from sex and form a relationship with your partner, it lessens your ability to form this connection with someone you eventually marry. Sorry. It's science, m8.
Our ancestors knew this, it's why they came up with rules for living. Or did you think it was all pointless bullshit?

Your marriage will very likely end in divorce for the same reason divorce is spiking for the rest of society. Sexual Liberation is a curse upon society.

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>>3351859
>Thinking that you can find happiness in sensory stimulation is not only a different way of looking at happiness. It is a wrong way of doing so, which will not bring happiness.
It's just incredible how fags like you don't get what I'm trying to say. I'm not saying that people should live in a hedonistic life style. I'm just saying that people have a different point of view on how we should be happy.

Pic related is how *I* (me, in all my subjectivity) think what is the actual way to be happy.

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>>3351873
What would you want then? Adventure? Go climb some mountain. Spiritual enlightement? Join monastery, read books or paint something. Live like a peasant? Join the amish.

>>3351897

Nietzsche had some choice words for """"""people""""" like you

>>3351861

>t. future divorced, burnt out 45 year old wageslave

>>3351888

Again, pleasure does not mean happiness. No matter how much weed you smoke you will never be happy.

>>3351896

The difference is at the very least he understands what most be done to find the solution. You don't even understand the problem.

>>3351827
If you had actually read a good book on Ethics, you would know why. Temperance is an important virtue for happiness. And it is incompatible with a life of clubbing and drugs.

>>3351898
thanks for appreciating my post, m8.
be sure to like and subscribe ;^)

>>3351909
Maslow's triangle is complete bullshit that is only taught to business students.

>>3351845
>They are chastising behavior that is not conducive to the continuation of the species
>thinking the continuation of the species isn't last as fuck
>being so totally devoid of any original thought whatsoever and so totally submissive before the morality of the herd that the only moral principle you can come up with is to raise children
>not understanding that humanity exists only to destroy itself and the only measure of success in life is ones own success in achieving ones own goals
>thinking that successfully raising children in any way sets you apart from the billions of last men that swarm over the face of the earth

stay last

>>3351906

Degenerates will literally never learn. At this rate in 100 years we'll have a new aristocracy and a new peasant class; all defined by only their virtues.

>>3351841
You have to feel that sometime in your life. Science is a double edged sword and if used in the wrong hands is when we see something like Brave New World. You wouldn't want to live in a society that is essentially a dictatorship but you are too happy and raised genetically at birth in a lab not to realize you live in a dystopian society.

>>3351861
Work hard, party hard is not something that will make you happy. And studying technical disciplines won't make you wiser.

>>3351933

It's possible to eradicate slave morality but still arrive at the same conclusion with different means. Nietzsches whole end game is define your own raison detre

>>3351932
What make it bullshit ?

>>3351028
>build AI
>give them Banks novels
>put them in charge
>?????
>The Culture
That was easy

>>3351888
You are confusing pleasure and happiness. They are not the same thing.
You say I have been led to believe otherwise, but I would say the opposite. You were the one being fed this idea that pleasure and happiness are the same thing by the media.

The Amish live simple lives without many pleasures. They are known to be happy people. If happiness depended on pleasure, rockstars would not be so miserable as a group.

>>3351906

Your statistical fact has sadly not proven any causal relationship, merely shown correlation. Did you know that eating more chocolate means you are more likely to win a Nobel prize?

>>3351918

Nietzsche himself visited whorehouses.

I already am happy and working at staying happy and comfortable for the rest of my life, and passing that same thing onto my children. I wish you luck on finding happiness through reading books and abstaining from fun activities though.

>>3351924

You would go with me to the club and pop a pill, if you had the opportunity.

>>3351942
He took things out of his ass and his work is unsupported by data.

>>3351952

I'm not going to let you, the media, or your books, tell me what my happiness is. I am happy, for I know myself to be happy. You wanna sit in the corner and call my happiness fake? Fine by me.

You're the guy that sits at the bar and is afraid to get on the dancefloor, instead scoffing the dancers as looking ridiculous.

>>3351933
While I agree that Nietzsche would take my post if it were the summation of my moral opinion to be pretty Last Man tier.
>living only for living's sake
>following the law just because it's there
It isn't the entirety of my worldview.
Also I would think that Nietzsche would say that first man must adopt and embody the most strenuous moral laws of our fathers first, before setting out upon the path of the Overman. At least that's what I got from the metaphor of the camel. Only when we fully understand and accept the morals of our fathers can we reject them and set out to make our own morality. This is what degenerate cringe anarchists who misuse Nietzsche don't understand.

But back to the point. Surely if there is meaning to life and living it includes the continuation of more life? Otherwise it would be self-defeating.
While I do seek to surpass my forefathers, I will have to at least raise my own children to even start to surpass them.
>not understanding that humanity exists only to destroy itself
what?

>>3351964

We're the ones who know you don't find meaning in the bottom of a drink ;^)

>>3351961
I see. Thank Anon.

>>3351957

>if you dislike something you must secretly like it

So this is the power of retard logic

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>>3351972
>We
Who's "we" ?

>>3351972

>meaning

Literally a spook though. I don't drink for meaning, I drink because its a fun time, and having fun from time to time is fundamental to happiness.

>>3351957
Too bad I used a statistical correlation and then in the next line stated the causal connection, you mega plebe. Enjoy your life as a divorced drug dependent embarrassment to all your ancestors.

also
>Nietzsche himself visited whorehouses.
lies and slander from people like yourself who cannot handle being called a degenerate waste of life.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/3313279/Madness-of-Nietzsche-was-cancer-not-syphilis.html

>>3351981
>When I use wisdom of ancient Greeks it's correct and it makes me better, more righteous and wiser than you
>whe you do it it's "retard logic"

>>3351989
Deppresed men in early 20s.

>>3351992
>believing spooks exist
the biggest spook of them all.

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>>3351932
No it isn't. It's taught in psychology, obviously, as well as being mentioned in health and I guess business classes.

Humans will always seek comfort and crave more, regardless. We will make ourselves mad with our desire for more of everything.

I'm no moralist or spiritualist, but the Buddhist idea of seeking contentment instead of happiness is really getting to the heart of this. Nothing in the world will make you happy truly until you learn to be "happy" and content with whatever is at hand.

You have your "degeneracy" yes, but you also live in the brightest more amazing time ever. It is full of corruption and nearly insurmountable problems, but your daily woes are so much lesser than in times past, and some may even be able to pick at these impossible issues and solve them.

Or we all die and it was a wild ride. Find happiness in that.

>>3351999

Sour grapes applies to specific context. You can't just blabber "oh wow you dislike X, huh you must secretly really want it". If you actually didn't just repeat whatever you read on r*ddit you'd know this. Do you think devoutly religious people are secretly the biggest degenerated ever?

>>3352002

>says the bluepill chasing after the next high

>>3352030
Well, it's you who is deppresed not me.

>>3351211
>ignoring complaints about modern life
vs
>romanticizing a objectively inferior past

>>3352041

Who says I'm depressed?

>>3352050

>objectively inferior
>objectively

Hmmmmm

>>3351372
>will make me happy
they actually do make me happy, I have verified this through many days of careful testing and observation

>>3352026
>Sour grapes applies to specific context
Yes, yours. You lack meaningful social interaction or social interaction in general and proceed to generalize social interaction of other people as "drugging, sexing and clubbing", while you are "virtuous", "chaste" and "rising above these primitive impulses". If this is not textbook example of sour grapes, than I don't know what is.

And I used to wonder why so many Americans need to see psychologists...

>>3352062
objectively, yes

>>3351748
>Anon finally realize that some people view happiness incorrectly
Ftfy

>>3352082

Care to prove that

>>3352130
>But mine is the only correct one

>>3352074

>lives in Eurabia
>thinks football, the pub and the club isn't the only thing on the mind of the average serf over there

O I'm dying

>>3352146

>some people incorrectly define happiness and confuse it with pleasure

Yes

>>3350912
>proud that he outsourced his vacation time to the third world so that he can have desperate poorer people to give him goods and services (mostly sexual) so he can feel better about himself.
yeah totally not dystopian

>>3351286
easy to say when you've lived in nothing but extreme material comfort your whole life

>>3352158
Can't argue with that.

>>3352170

He's not wrong though

>>3351827
>Also thinking and searching for meaning are shitty life goals lol. You wont find any meaning other than "I should have had more fun when I was still young".

Common denominator human cattle wrote this

>>3352169
>proud that he outsourced his vacation time to the third world so that he can have desperate poorer people to give him goods and services (mostly sexual) so he can feel better about himself.
Your imagination is running wild I think.

>>3351861
>get married and have some cute children
horrifying, you would doom others to suffer and die without their consent?

>>3352016
>thought problem solved by le science xDDD

Truly the scum of the earth

>>3352183
>getting this mad over a joke

>>3352175
sure, but he implies that material comfort isn't important. That's wrong, it's the most important thing there is. The end result is always the same for all humans, so trying to be as comfortable as you can until you die is of paramount importance.

>>3352188
>getting this mad over someone getting mad

Take a chill pill, pal

>>3352192
Then explain ascetics

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>>3350912
>tfw the only way I ever got to travel was in the Muhreens
>ended up in some middle eastern shithole, beating up hajis
>couldn't even get a job picking oranges back home
>no construction work either
>illegals quite literally took that job
>would be considered racists if I spoke out about it
>or if I spoke out about how my lil bro, a US Citizen, can't get a college grant because he barely crosses the Middle Class threshold but an illegal will get a free ride
>tfw can't even speak out about being replaced without every liberal loser in a 5 mile radius threatening to ruin my life

I should've ended it when I had the chance

>>3352192

You just agreed with me saying he's right, and then you say it's the most important thing there is. What is it? Moderation in all things is really what's up.
Plenty of miserable people in rolls royces.

>>3352153
Oh well, this is going nowhere. Let me give you an advice (before you end up like one friend I used to know):

You are currently on highway to noose. You need to abandon this sour grapes mentality ASAP, get friends, hobbies and leave your parent's place. Sitting whole day on the computer, whining about how evil society is won't change a fucking thing. Though If you can't just shut up about your ideology, join a religious order. At least there will be people who will talk to you.

P.S. Read "Bitter stories" by Maxim Gorkiy

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>Dude just have "fun" with sex and drugs you'll totally regret on missing out later

The craving for stimulation resumes after it has been fulfilled. Once stimulation becomes a routine you're at best on the brink of addiction. An individual episode of stimulating yourself (namely, having sex or consuming a drug) will pass out of your memory very rapidl, indistinguishable for the many other episodes you've undergone. A text that conveys consequential information will become a means to an end once you continue reading thoughtful material tied to it somehow. It broadens your worldview; Each new text is a new experience, unlike jabbing a syringe in your arm and doing acid for the hundreth time as you're slowly fostering addictive tendencies is not.

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>>3350823
Progress has won. Every """nation""" has eradicated every authentic cultural derivative of it's heritage and utilized it's ashes to create a product out of it's artistic misery. We live in a globalized world, in which there is nowhere to go and no place in which we can escape from ourselves. We are just kept alive to pay taxes and consume industrial products which are detrimental to our health. Every mistery of life has been killed by Science. The power of this system is such that its own victims will defend it to the very end. In this world, basic things like health spirituality and integrity are only attainable as a social privilege!, since the industrial complex has contaminated it all, you now need money to consume clean water, to not be disturbed by certain people, to attain peace in a quiet neirgbohood or even simple morality. Everything against the status quo no matter how rational or appealing to common sense will be marginalized and deemed as crazy. The only way to win is to kill ourselves, or fight for a sit in the new Technocratic capitalist modern world. We shall destroy the system by being the system or perish like dogs.

>>3352206

We should've ended them when we had the chance. Posters like him are too dumb to realize their own situation though.

>>3352208

>it's a "smug European tries to give you advice"

Protip I'm in London right now

>>3350823
Technological progress and degeneracy are literally synonyms.

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>>3352208
>sour grapes
>sour grapes
>sour grapes

You couch yourself like a braindead junkie European or metropolitan-area American. In case of the former enjoy the future of the crescent where your kids will get converted or discriminated in the future islamic plurality that awaits a hedonistic, short-sighted, vacuous and haughty society.

>>3352201
I can't, I think they're misguided because of their faith.

>>3350854
Nice reddit post, reddit.

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>>3352221
Then may god have mercy on your soul.

>>3352224

In some ways it will be comfy, like a neo traditionalist LARP

>>3352207
sure he's right, but people who say "there's more to life than X" are usually denigrating X entirely. Maybe he wasn't, idk.

Yes there's more to living a fulfilled life than material comforts, but those comforts are oh so important.

I can't respect any society where animal fighting is banned, it's literally the symptom of a cuckolded civilization. In a few years I'll haul my ass off to Afghanistan and spend the rest of my days breeding fighter dogs, I've had enough of the faggot west.

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>degeneracy
Should be autobanned

>>3352216
It's getting pretty stupid in CA, you can't even bitch about illegals even if you're a beaner yourself, if anything they come at you even more aggressively. To keep it &Humanities related, do I, a US Citizen Mestizo, have to come to the defense of an illegal just because we're both brown? What do I owe him?

>>3352229
So then material comfort isn't the most important thing, but rather just comfort. Monks and others just trade material comfort for spiritual comfort.

>>3352215 is right. I've saw so much conspiracy theories like >>3352215 that they don't have any effect anymore.

>>3352250

Redpill me on this meme about "a lot of hispanics actually hate illegals but just don't say anything". I've read those polls that like 40% of you voted for trump and agreed with him about the border.

>>3352240
>comforts are oh so important

>>3352229
>ascetics are misguided

You have internalized an addiction to consumption. You have become dependent, cannot pull the cord from the outlet of the capitalistic conveyor belt of commodity and are grasping at any straws that can offer you some confidence that you haven't lost control of your life 2bqh

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>>3352208
>>3351957
>dude clubbing and pill popping is the best thing in life
>he posts on a friday night

Shouldn't you be at the club right now, friend?

Or is it that you no one to go with?

>>3352252
you're really splitting hairs here

>>3352264
I don't think it really matters, soon enough we'll be dead either way.

>>3352269
No, I'm not. There is a very distinct line between material comfort and spiritual comfort. Don't act coy because you got caught out.

>>3352263
>put a lot of hard work and money to jump through the hoops to become a citizen.
>fucking illegals just pay some coyote faggot $50 to smuggle them agross
>Literally millions of them come demonstrably lowering the wages of all those already here trying to work for a living and earn back the money spent to get in legally
what isn't to hate, anon?
More Hispanics voted for Trump with all his anti-immigrant talk than voted for that faggot Romney who literally was part Mexican and talked about how great immigration was.

>>3352278
Caught out, wtf are you talking about? I'm trying to have a discussion, not "win" some pointless argument.

I told my feelings on the matter, I think material comfort is the most important thing in life because it makes people more content and distracted from the undeniable reality of their death. Ascetics choose a different path to the same goal, but many do it out of religious devotion. That I think is foolish nonsense.

>>3352311
what, he got 12 votes instead of 10?

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>>3352263
Completely dependent on who you talk to, part in why I'm so cold blooded towards the illegals is because both my parents immigrated legally to the US, and during a civil war to boot. The majority of the illegals the US gets are from Mexico but recently they've been coming from Central American countries too. In CA, illegals can get in on welfare and, depending on how corrupt the city is, they can even vote thanks to Jerry "Moonbeam" Brown's driver's license law. Lately the illegals have been getting particularly salty and uppity, the Mexican Nationalists are coming out from the woodworks hence all the Mexican flags in the streets and La Raza tier horseshit.

So that brings us to people like me, no ties to the old country, fully invested into the US, pay federal and state tax, never been on welfare (foodstamps, EBT, Section 8 etc.), serve in the military and vote, why on earth would we want people who break the law, take out more than they put in, commit violent crimes and want to turn your country into Mexico?

On top of all this, despite my parents being from El Salvador they're expected by Mexicans to back them up which leads us to this conundrum: Will you be an Uncle Tom for the "White" US that has given you everything you know and an opportunity to be successful? Or will you be an Uncle Tom for the Mexicans who shit on you, brutalize people from your Parents country when caught illegally in Mexico, and want to get rid of your friend because he's White? As you can see, its not a difficult choice.

>>3352323
>a third of Hispanics voted for him
>i-it's nothing

>>3352337
realistically that is quite a small percentage

>>3352074
>>3352208

You are too ignorant to give life advice. Many arguments were put forward on why a hedonistic lifestyle is not the best lifestyle and your only reaction is some kind of ad hominem telling them that they are losers.

>>3352229
Some of the wisest men ever lived ascetic lifestyles. You are not competent to call them misguided.

>>3352340
A third is not a small percentage. Especially considering that only 4 years ago Romney won just 20%

>>3352340
I pray Dems continue to think like this, so that they continue ignoring all the problems they cause by defending every piece of shit ever.

Do you not realize that this exact same stance is what bulkanized the white vote for Trump so hard? If 1/3 Hispanics are this pissed about the situation, imagine how pissed off it makes white people.

>>3352263
Imagine going through all the pain of legal immigration only to see some illiterate shitter breaking the law, hopping the fence, selling drugs and then kvetching about amnesty. I'm not Hispanic myself but I'm a legal immigrant and I understand what legal Hispanics think of those illegal faggots.

>>3350973
>>3351012
The majority of humans are domestic animals. Hence why democracy was a mistake.

>>3352335
I agree with the things you're saying, but I try to see things from their perspective as well. Many parts of central america are extremely unstable, with murder rates that are shockingly high, and a total lack of economic opportunity or mobility. If I was in their position faced with the same choice, what would I do? The fact of the matter is that coming here in such a way is illegal, and that cannot simply be ignored but what are these people really being sent back to? This whole thing with the Dreamers in particularly got to me, these are all people who were brought over here as children, they never asked for this.


>>3352356
and yet more people voted against Trump than for him, if only a few thousand people had voted differently the entire discussion would be how out of touch republicans are, not how out of touch democrats are. I can't understand how anyone could have supported either candidates in the 2016 election.

>>3352343
>You are not competent to call them misguided.
oh and why the fuck is that

I think its very misguided to dedicate your life to god, god is a superstition invented by primitive cultures to explain the explainable. To have faith in him is to willfully lie to yourself because its too uncomfortable to do otherwise.

>>3352368
no if Trump had lost, the discussion would be centered on, "of course Trump lost! how could a reality tv star possibly win the presidency on a whim? How bad would the Democrats have had to fuck up to let that happen?"

Meanwhile Republicans dominate so many state governments they could almost pass a Constitutional Amendment, and the Senate and the House despite losing to Hillary for President, in your alternate world with "just a few thousand votes difference"

>>3352364
Aren't you edgy today. So you would like to live in a society that doesn't value beauty or the natural process of life? You'd rather be raised in a sterile cold laboratory created by artificial means instead of being in the womb of your own flesh and blood, your very own mother?

>>3352387
yes things are quite polarized politically, I agree

>>3352403
I'd rather not have been made at all frankly, I think that reproducing is by far the most amoral thing a human can do considering you can't consent to be created.

>>3352368
Personally, I'd deport them all back if it meant one Mexican would get fucked over but the truth is that they would've never come here if they weren't set up in the first place. Looking at DACA now made me realize that I wouldn't have risked putting my kid through that if I knew that all it would take to fuck everything up would be a Republican president. It all comes down to the fact that the DACA should've never happened in the first place, this is what happens when you decide to set up foreigners with your countrymen's tax dollars, of course we're going to try and undo all of it.

Also CA practically enables voter fraud in cities like San Fran and LA, someone used my dads name to vote through the mail, when he brought this up at the voting booth (he was afraid they weren't going to let him vote) they just let him vote anyways. One of my uncles found out someone had used his name to vote in the mail too, I wonder whose name was on those ballots...

These threads never fail to out the fresh-off-the-boat post-2014 Reddit tourists.

>>3350922
ADVANCED BAIT

>>3352421
>CA practically enables voter fraud in cities like San Fran and LA
I'm going to need sources on that claim, and I don't believe your anecdote without proof.

>>3352428
been here since 2007 and people call me reddit all the time when they can't come up with a proper argument but still feel the need to screech autistically for no reason

you know, like you

>>3352403
Wut? No I just rather not live in a democracy aka the political system where the retarded majority decides the long term future of a society.

>>3352443
Identify which posts are yours then

>>3352428
Yes all the traditionalist LARPers need to go back.
Embracing degeneracy is the 4chan thing.

>>3352403
>muh mommies are sacred
The cunt slave has arrived I see

>>3351285

And what profound living was the ancient pleb up to that makes deriding modern ones seem so reasonable? Plebs gonna pleb. Brilliance is brilliance, and there are brilliant people now as there were in the past --- the difference being an immense wealth of knowledge and ideology available to cultivate brilliance to new levels.

I'm not content with modern society either, but I sure as shit don't romanticize life before it. We can still complain while acknowledging things are relatively fucking great.

>>3351290

Plummeted? By sheer proportion I bet there is less victimizing than any point im history, strictly speaking in terms of first world societies today to the apex societies of the past.

(((& Humanities))) was a mistake

>>3352481
This board would be even more Yahoo Answers-tier than it already is without &humanities

>>3352381
Because you are ignorant. And there were not many people using religious arguments against your position. The arguments were mostly logical.

There is nothing more disgusting than right wing/traditionalist/reactionary persecution complex and whining.I'd rather actually live in their shitty fantasylands (and be more successfull than them there too) than hear them go on and on with their whining about the modern world that insults their oh so delicate sensibilities.

>>3352506
You're not successful at all.

>>3352508
My paycheck, social standing and family life beg to differ worm.

>>3352454
Reddit has very hedonistic values.

>>3352462
The difference is mostly on the elites, I think. We don't have Musonius Rufus and Epictetus as our most influential intelectuals like Hadrian's Rome had. Our intelectuals are who? Foucault, the degenerate who spent his final years on S&M clubs and died of AIDS? Or vapid people like Vogue writers?

And in some ways, this pass to the plebes. The pleb in Hadrian's Rome was as ignorant as the Vogue reader of nowadays. But he likely had better examples and in some ways acted better.

The average number of lifetime sexual partners in Britain is enormous nowadays. Much higher than it was even 100 years ago, for example.

>>3352428
SkepticalCostanza.jpg
I am an Oldfag.
I'm so old, that I'm at work right now, so I don't have my classic Costanza picture to post right now which is actually titled SHYGDDT.jpg while calling you a newfag larping as an oldfag.

>>3352433
It all comes down to the city that you're in, I know that LA doesn't track voter fraud (even really leftist sites politifact say this) under the pretense that "it almost never happens" according to the Registrar of a county whose government leans heavily to the left. Most people gripe about the New Motor Voter Act that Moonbeam Brown passed but on paper it says that illegals are not supposed to get the option to opt in for voter registration.

Again, we have to look at a city like LA and San Francisco that even has websites devoted to tracking the corruption, politicians from those cities do things like register dead people to vote, advocate and pass gun control laws and then get arrested and convicted for running guns, hose millions of dollars down the drain to fund a high speed railway that never got built, cut grants for middle to working class US citizens but hose money at things like DACA, declare their cities "Sanctuary Cities" so ICE can't do their job and release violent criminals under the pretense of lowering the prison population instead of deporting inmates in the country illegally.

You hear about voter fraud all the time in LA and when you take everything in consideration, it shouldn't be hard to believe that cities like LA or San Fran would cover their tracks up and try to get illegals to vote.

But no, I cannot give you any sources from LA or San Francisco or probably even the entire state of CA officially stating that they help commit voter fraud

>>3352511
Put your money where your mouth is then. What is your paycheck?

>>3352481
kek'd at this
but srs, just go to the same history threads that have been made 1000 times before and debate what the Civil War was (((really about))) if that's what you want to do.

Personally I think this thread is a positive.

>>3352506
I find interesting how modern leftists like you call all who disagree with you "losers"

>>3352506
>not being revolted no matter what system, time-period, or situation you're in
I find you disgusting.
Our ability to be revolted is absolutely vital and what separates us from the foul beasts and worms of the Earth. Does a dog turn it's nose away from it's own vomit? No, and if it did, it wouldn't have the consciousness to think about why he didn't want to eat it, just that he didn't want to.

>>3350823
>a dystopia of degeneracy, ignorance and materialism
We've never lived better, retard.

>>3352560
Speak for yourself Schlomo.

>>3351845
The problem with that in practice is that you end up with all the replies to this post >>3351861 thinking it's an immutable law of nature that you can only be happy is if you live the way they say to and if you think otherwise based on your own experience you're just wrong. That's 99% of the time what people use 'degeneracy' to mean.

>>3351861
I wish I was a naive 20 year old full of ideals again, kek.

>>3352565
>huh, a Jew!
Great argument, you must be a true intellectual.

>>>/pol/

>>3352559
>Does a dog turn it's nose away from it's own vomit?
Often, yes, he does. He especially avoids his own feces and chooses to shit away from his living space.

>>3351845
>going to parties is decandent
How's the basement?

>>3352589
>can't even read to the second half of the post
>takes the whole post literally rather than as a hyperbolic absurd characterization
it's just tiresome talking to people like you.

>>3352594
>so braindead he can distill nothing more from that post than an obvious strawman, while still misspelling the word "decadent"
Discouraging, but 5:00 is time for me to go home anyway.

>>3352589
So you're not denying being Jewish? Because those are the only people for whom current era is better than ever before.

>>3352594
Not him but he's not wrong, I used to party a lot when I was in my 20s and it barely gave me anything. In fact I think all the drugs and booze made me dumber.

>>3352552
Stop acting like one then. Adapt to the modern world or try to change it. Vote Trump or the next corporate puppet they throw at you if you will, I don't care. Just stop whining.
Find something you are good at, plan your life according to the circumstances and plan ahead if the circumstances change keeping your goals in mind. Don't fantasize that if you lived in a different era things would be better, the same would apply,

>>3352632
Who said anything about being unhappy with my life? I said it was strange how the left who supposedly should defend the "small guy" uses loser as an insult.

>>3352629
Partying doesn't mean that you take drugs and spend every other day outside the house. Partying is a crucial social activity that is key to succeed. You're not getting anywhere in life without social networking.

>>3352625
Your place is in here:
>>>/pol/

>>3352643
Look up Alinsky's Rules for radicals, especially rule 13. It's a standard leftist tactic, attacking the carrier of an idea instead of the idea itself, and it works well against weak minded and/or insecure people.
That guy in this thread is calling people losers even though he knows nothing about them, just because they "complain." I guess people complaining about hunger in Africa must be starving themselves too, according to this train of thought.

>>3352653
I never used partying for social networking in my entire life. If your social networking relies on partying then you're probably an artist or some other career failure and nobody here should pay attention to you.

>>3352653
Just say you're Jewish then. Are you ashamed of the fact?

>>3352643
>>3352661

Btw is crying vitim a standard right wing tactic?
I never called anyone a loser.

>In b4i said I would be successful
do you think all people less successful than you are losers? Mighty moral of you

>>3352664
Then it's extremely unlikely that you have a successful career. When you take into account that you're posting on 4chan and have the opinions that you have, it's impossible that you have a successful career.

>>3352661
>Alinsky's Rules for radicals
The /pol/tards are the only radicals around here. I doubt that there are any actual leftist aside from a couple centre-left individuals here. But yes, you're right, throwing around insults and yelling something about Jews is a standard tactic of idiot radicals from /pol/

>>3352686
I studied a STEM field and my field of work doesn't require brown nosing people at coke orgies, no. That's only something parasites in entertainment and finance industries do. Parties were something where I could unload and relax with friends, not a part of my profession. I guess sucks to be you.

it has nothing to do with technology, its ((them))

>>3352696
>brown nosing people at coke orgies
>implying
See, you don't even understand the basics.

>>3352719
Hard to go by anything if you're being so vague.

>>3352687
/leftypol/ comes here, though they are more like a benign tumor

>>3352711
who?

>>3352711
They wouldn't even be in power if it wasn't for technology.

>>3352687
Disliking jews and leftist doesn't make one automatically a /pol/tard. I don't go to /pol/ because it's basically /b/ with flags.

>>3352807
right on time safespace poster.
Come to save the day? The right ain't in its best shape in this thread.

>>3352807
I'm >>3352696
Are you sure you meant to reply to me?

>>3352570
>thinking it's an immutable law of nature that you can only be happy is if you live the way they say to and if you think otherwise based on your own experience you're just wrong.
Not all ways of living are equal. Some ways of living lead to better lives than others.

>>3352506
>>3352653
>>3352632
>success, success, success

You are defining success materially and in terms of status.
I'm a follower of Stoicism. That is a philosophy that was adopted by among others Marcus Aurelius and Epictetus.

Marcus Aurelius was Emperor of Rome during its greatest era, known as "The Era of the Five Good Emperors".
Epictetus was a poor ex-slave. He never married. His only possessions were a lamp, some books and his house.

For me and Marcus Aurelius (I repeat, he was Emperor of Rome), Epictetus was the most successful person of the two. Not because he was poorer than Marcus Aurelius, but because he was more virtuous.

>>3352851
I (i am not the party poster) never defined success in terms of material wealth.I specifically said in this post >>3352632
that you should be successful in terms of your own set goals.
If your goals are to be virtuous go ahead, the big bad modern world ain't gonna stop you.

>>3352827
The "right" is doing better than the "left" in this thread, considering the "left" arguments are basically ad hominems.

>>3352863
You were arguing that they are not successful.

Let's take a look here:
>There is nothing more disgusting than right wing/traditionalist/reactionary persecution complex and whining.I'd rather actually live in their shitty fantasylands (and be more successfull than them there too) than hear them go on and on with their whining about the modern world that insults their oh so delicate sensibilities.

That was extremely insulting and you implied that they are unsuccessful and that you are better than they are.

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>Inb4 brainlets rant about how we have actually become less violent as a society as a whole thanks to a police state and all of us being kept on edge because the next major war would literally cause a nuclear apocalypse
>Meanwhile we live in polluted, cramped, and consumeristic concrete jungles slowly dying of excess and our own folly

>>3352875
If they were would they be whining?
I have never heard a successful person liberal,conservative or otherwise(again that means a person who has achieved their personal goals in life) say that if the modern world obstructed their personal fullfillment.
We are all dissatisfied with the state of things and for everyone there are things that should change, yet making a comfy life in a western country seem like the lowest point in human history is something only the most pathetic specimens do.

Also
>extremely insulting
we browse the same website right?

>>3352934
>If they were would they be whining?
Why not? You can be successful and complain that society is not doing very well.

>I have never heard a successful person liberal,conservative or otherwise(again that means a person who has achieved their personal goals in life) say that if the modern world obstructed their personal fullfillment.
People are not talking about their personal fulfillment, but that society is doing poorly in their point of view. Not everyone is egocentric and believes that society can go to hell as long as they are OK.

>We are all dissatisfied with the state of things and for everyone there are things that should change, yet making a comfy life in a western country seem like the lowest point in human history is something only the most pathetic specimens do.
Not everyone thinks material comfort is what defines a society as good or bad.

>>3352934
Individualist cuckold spotted.

>>3351909
>muh systematics
>>>/r/eddit

>>3351957
>Nietzsche himself visited whorehouses.
In his incorrect youth. You aren't having fun, you just think you are.
>I already am happy and working at staying happy and comfortable for the rest of my life,
Letzter Mensch
>You would go with me to the club and pop a pill, if you had the opportunity.
Don't project.

>>3351992
>happiness is good
Back to /r/eddit

>>3352074
>>3352208
Your 'social interaction' is not actual social interaction.
Sour grapes is a psychobabblist meme.

>>3352381
>ITS LE SUPERSTITION MADE UP BECUZ I SED SO
This is why teenagers shouldn't be allowed to talk.

>>3351292
It's okay Cleetus, subjectivity is that devilrous book-learnin' which you don't need none of

>>3352851
Both of them are fucking idiots and Stoicism is the ideology of children.

>>3352965
>You can be successful and complain that society is not doing very well
People who are succesful do so in a bit different way than just romanticizing the past they didn't lived in and demonizing other people. In fact we didn't got any constructive criticism, just "Other people do nasty stuff like dancing, drinking and going out. I don't therefore I am virtuous." and "In the past everything was better because I feel so. Objective criteria like literacy, education and violence are irrelevant." That's fedora-tier philosophy.

>Not everyone is egocentric and believes that society can go to hell as long as they are OK.
You have it inversed. OP wants society to go to hell (Islamism or primitivism), so that he can be OK.

>Not everyone thinks material comfort is what defines a society as good or bad.
It's the objective criterion. Other than that there is "I percieve I would be doing better in this society" or "This society is more according to my ideology".

Don't get me wrong there are many wrong things with modern society like the nuclear family, dwindling birth rates, ever increasing power of financial capital, pollution, civilizationary diseases, migrations, depopulation of rural areas and lack of communal life. But we should focus on identifying problems and looking for solutions. Not just calling ourself superiour intelectual gentlemen above spitting acid on people who dare to be happy.

>>3353103
Nice argument, mate.

>>3353112
>People who are succesful do so in a bit different way than just romanticizing the past they didn't lived in and demonizing other people. In fact we didn't got any constructive criticism, just "Other people do nasty stuff like dancing, drinking and going out. I don't therefore I am virtuous." and "In the past everything was better because I feel so. Objective criteria like literacy, education and violence are irrelevant." That's fedora-tier philosophy.

There were plenty of arguments on why the "hedonistic lifestyle is not good" in this thread. Two examples by two different people >>3351859 >>3351845
And the answer by the "hedonist of the thread" was basically "you all suck and are jealous of me, I'm great". Example >>3352208 >>3351957

>You have it inversed. OP wants society to go to hell (Islamism or primitivism), so that he can be OK.
Where did he imply he wants a worse society so he can be OK?

>It's the objective criterion. Other than that there is "I percieve I would be doing better in this society" or "This society is more according to my ideology".
Material well being is a poor criterion for human flourishing. Being "objective" makes it easier to measure, not more important.

>Not just calling ourself superiour intelectual gentlemen above spitting acid on people who dare to be happy.
Again, you are understanding the point being made. The point being made is not being jealous of people like >>3352208 >>3351957 or thinking that this person is happy. I would never want to be like this guy and he is not a happy person. The point being made here is that our hedonistic culture is leading people to unhappiness by having them have the same kind of belief as that guy.

>>3353100
>replying to a 6 hour old post

>>3353219
Who are you to say he is not happy?
Do you know what objectively causes happiness?
If so please share so that we can all try to achieve it.

>>3353259

http://classics.mit.edu/Plato/gorgias.html

https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Of_a_Happy_Life

https://archive.org/details/CiceroOnMoralEndsCambridge

>>3350823
>degeneracy, ignorance and materialism
These things have literally always existed.

>crying about degeneracy
>on 4chan
Bring back the loli and guro boards to scare away the newfags.

>>3353219
>arguments are good because im from reddit

>>3353266
thank you for the reading recommendations.
I've read Gorgias and it's pretty good.
However why don't you think this is a guide to happiness for you and people like you, but for everyone?
In my life I've met people being happy living simple lifes,being good at work and family or being happy with being yuppies or happy with being good at useless shit.And yes,Ive met some happy hedonists,not everything works for everyone.

>>3353293
>However why don't you think this is a guide to happiness for you and people like you, but for everyone?

Read those books and you will understand why. They are quite logical and they don't depend on the person, but are for humans in general. And they explain why hedonism is not good for humans.

>>3351828
did they what

They also thought it would relieve us of stress and long work weeks, which it's barely done if at all

>>3350823
>>>/pol/

>>3353770

We actually regressed in that regard. At one point forabout 100 years womendidnt really work en Masse. Now they do again. It's like if we eroded labor laws and started working 12 hour days again

>>3353839

>multiple posters putting forth reasoned arguments about how to find meaning and the virtues of moderation
>omg g b 2 le /pol/ losers

Really makes you think

>>3353839

Observe the sheep instinctively attacking anything which goes against its programming

>>3350900
This. Hedonists are a cancerous bunch, and deadly to human progress, letting their materialism keep them permanently under the thumb of any evil group that can monopolize it.

>Please, burn my history, plunder my legacy and children's birthright, deprive me of any right you wish, but leave me my wine and circus!

>>3350920
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/national/longterm/unabomber/manifesto.text.htm

>>3352887
but my videogames and pizza tho

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What are your thoughts on Bacon's The New Atlantis?

>>3352273
>I don't think it really matters, soon enough we'll be dead either way.
non-sequitur

Your deteriorated druggie brain has really gone into meltdown this last half of the debate

>>3352511
>wagecuckie proud he's getting more money than he knows to use after working half his waking day

LOL

>>3354295
You know, back in the day you either worked for 10 hours a day or you starved come winter, right? We don't live in a utopian age then or today tbqh

>>3354313

Not what he said

Reading comprehension really isn't your thing is it

>>3351957
Lmao. I love how everyone is being triggered by this well-adjusted normie.

>>3352887
Cities are less polluted than ever before. Average home square footage has also been increasing for decades.

>>3356164
samefag tbqh

>>3356184
Incorrect.

>>3350823
I fucking love pornography on my phone. It's so great to jack off to houtengeki's girls in a public bathroom. Idk why you would call this a dystopia.