>Without Sweden the cold war would've never happened

>>3345485
>plot-twist: op is talking about the Swedish iron ore trade in World War 2

>>3345485

The roots of the Russian state are in the Mongol yoke not the Novgorod republic or Kievan Rus.

>>3345588
Proofs? Are you 100% sure that is not anti-russian propaganda from the butthurt belt?

>>3345593

Butturt belt isn't real. Russians are always butthurt themselves.

>>3345485
Scandinavian origin of Rus' is just a theory, not fact.

>>3345593
Muscowy was something of an enforcer for the golden horde. At the time Muscowy became the tsardom of Russia Novgorod was sacked and a mere shadow of its former glory and Kiev was in Polish hands.

>>3345634

99.9999999999% fact

Their names and the Rurikid Y-DNA project show a clear connection to Scandinavia.

>>3345639
>Their names
Very few of their names can be identified as Scandinavian.
Could be also of Celtic or continental Germanic origin.
Many historic Slavic names would not be recognized as Slavic by modern Slavs.
Also names are adopted through all history of mankind.
Judging by names 90% of modern Russian population are Greeks, Jews and Romans.

>Their names and the Rurikid Y-DNA project
Rurukid's Y-DNA is N1c, which is more common among Finnish, Baltic, Slavic.

>show a clear connection to Scandinavia.
Have 1000000 samples from Scandinavia (population 20m), found 10 that look close to Rurikids.
Have 100 samples from Eastern Europe (population over 100m), found nothing.
Is this scientific proof by your opinion?

>>3345916

Swedes started mixing with Finnic people on the day the latter arrived to the Baltic and thus acquired their own N1c subclade(s).

According to Primary Chronicle the original land of Rus' is to the East from Jutland.
In the same source Swedes were clearly distinguished from Rus'.
Official written statement of late ruling Rurikids is that their clan came from Prussia.
One of the branches of Neman in Prussia was called Rusne (Lithuaninan) or Russ (German).
Also there is an island with the same name.
Novgorod slovens and Rus' spoke the same language.
Novgorod slovens resettled from South coast of Baltic.

>>3345932
>Swedes started mixing with Finnic people on the day the latter arrived to the Baltic and thus acquired their own N1c subclade(s).
They still have very little N1c in comparison, and most of it was acquired after Finland became Swedish domain.

Worth to note that pantheon of Rus' was Balto-Slavic, they didn't bring any foreign cult.

>>3345636
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feudal_fragmentation
Educate yourself

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>>3345485
>If Sweden didn't fuck up the Cold War wouldn't have happened

Not much of a thinking lad myself but, this really made me give it a go baint.

>>3346017

It peaks around Roslagen and to the north of it

>>3345485
>Without Sweden the 30 Years War would have never happened
Really make you think...

>>3346057
>It peaks around Roslagen
Because it's capital region. Capital is a place where people from all regions of country are mixing.
You can find Y-DNA from all world in London or New-York.

Roslagen was under sea level in the time of Rurik.

Ros in Rossiya is only because of Greeks, they didn't have proper U in their alphabet already.

>>3346037
mongols, poles, napoleon and hitler had a legit chance
your shitty country on other hand? Sorry sven but no