Would Middle Easterners and North Africans be considered white

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>>3340945
i don't know. i'm arab and i'm pale as fuck, and i've seen some brown as fuck italians and spaniards that go on about how they are the proud white masterrace. also wtf the fuck how are armenians considered white when they live just a few kilometres from us in the region and are hardly a different complexion

whoever came up with the idea that southern european/meds are the same race as nords and slavs but not the same race as eastern meds was stupid, but race is a social science anyway (i.e. not a real science)

>>3340945

No, they're nothing of the sort.

>>3340945
Only when its convenient for white people

>>3340974

Someone's mad about Ancient Egypt not being Black

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>>3340979
>my ancestor :)

>>3340979
Someones mad about ancient egypt not being white

>>3340988

I don't give a shit. I just love the idea of them not being Black because it pisses off Black racists.

>>3340988
>>3340979
go to pol, both

Neolithic farmers came from 3 different sources

>>3340945
Could someone give me the working definition of "white"?

>>3341004

Depigmented person from Europe with significant steppe related ancestry associated with Indo-European dispersals

>>3341004
Basically anything good. Irish and south italians are conveniently are ruled out because one are allegedly drunken retards and the other ones mafiosis. Ancient MENA is included because who wouldnt want to call dibs on the cradle of civilization?

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>>3341004
>>3341013
>>3341026
Germanics, Slavs and Balts. (Honorary mention: Finns, Estonians, Scots, Hungarians)

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>>3340993
The thing is, they were "black" by US definition From their point of view I guess they saw themselves as red-skinned or even white compared to the pale yellow barbarians to the north, the olive-skinned barbarians to the east and the coal-black barbarians to the south, but they were at least as black as Haile Selassie or Sadat or Gaafar Nimeiry or other Northeast African natives.

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>>3341013
So she isn't white?

>>3340945
There's no difference between black and white people. There really is, for humankind there’s really no such thing as race. There’s different tribes but not different races. We’re all one species. Skin color is consequence of ultraviolet light, of latitude and climate.

>>3341038


>The thing is, they were "black" by US definition

Probably not since Americans are familiar with brown MENA people

>but they were at least as black as Haile Selassie or Sadat or Gaafar Nimeiry or other Northeast African natives.

In your imagination, yes.
In reality they looked like modern day Egyptians but more tanned because people spent more time outside.

>>3341045
>sardinia
the place was settled by vandals and romans
cherrypicking this one person won't change the facts that sardinians look like apes.

>>3341045

Cherrypicking can make Indians white too.

Sardinians don't need to be white. They can be brown Europeans.

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>>3341058
Ok, what about them?

>>3341081
look at their noses, do they look white to you? they look like jews, which is pretty common for meds in general

>inb4 it's the opposite
it is

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>>3340945
Yes, whitness is an american spook and has only ever be used for the purpose of an us vs them narrative, if mena people were christians they would be seen as white, except those with a high subsaharan admixture like lower cast tuaregs.

>>3340951
Race is mostly used in an unscientific way but it does not mean actual races do not exist.

>>3341058
T.Racist white supermacist

>>3341057
>In reality they looked like modern day Egyptians
So... Sudanese and Nubian in the South and more like Arabs in the North? Yeah, pretty much. When most people talk about ancient Egypt being black they largely mean Upper Egypt

>but more tanned because people spent more time outside.
I guess the ancient Libyans were shut-in nerds then because they painted them white as milk.

>>3341038
>this is supposed to look black
>b-b-but muh one drop rule :(

>>3341105
>Anwar Sadat was born on 25 December 1918 in Mit Abu El Kom, Monufia, Egypt to a poor Nubian family, one of 13 brothers and sisters.
>His father, Anwar Mohammed El Sadat was an Upper Egyptian, and his mother, Sit Al-Berain, was a Sudanese from her father. Thus, they said his mother did not look "Egyptian enough" and some called him "Nasser's black poodle."
He was blacker than Obama.

>>3340945
Religion has no influence on race/ethnicity for the most part. Some places in North Africa vary with pigmentation, skin color, and complexions like Libya and Algeria that can produce a lot of people that are passably "white". Some other places in the Near East/Western Asia and Central Asia, especially in these cases, with Iran, Afghanistan, Tajikistan, Armenia, and Lebanon can show that as well.

And regardless, why does what one looks like matter?

>>3340945
That map just shows G or some other Caucasus genes remained more prevalent in the Near East and the Mediterranean where as Europeans have a higher degree of R1a and R1b Indo-European and hunter gatherer admixture.

>>3341117
Obama is not black, being half black does not makes one black.

>>3341147
Look, I don't give a shit about your personal opinion on the matter. I made it clear from the start that I was using the common US perception. In the US, Obama and Haile Selassie are seen as black, no matter how little sense that makes to you.
>being half black does not makes one black
Sadat was more than half black, that's why I said he was blacker than Obama.

>>3340945
Why are there so many white looking people in Iran, i thought semites were not that close to indo-europeans?

>>3340945
You already made this exact thread and it was stupid and it still is.

Everyone saying Islam has to do with it is probably lying, at most Islam is the reason for racism regarding Middle Eastern and North African peoples, but not the idea they're a separate race.

Everyone here knows Ancient Egyptians, Greeks, Persians and the rest, all clearly did not only believe Sub-Saharans and Northern Europeans looked the same as them, but they clearly also portrayed even their neighbors as somewhat different looking in all of their art and statues.

I am of Middle Eastern Christian descent and no one of them I know considers himself or herself white, including or perhaps especially people who aren't familiar with the Western usage of the term white and have had the most contact with Mediterranean peoples or Slavs.

In short, this is just more loose usage of terms. I don't even know why this board is following the fad of pretending you can't point at people who look different in every way and say one is white and one is yellow or brown or whatever. It's just relativism and pseudoscience. And poor trolling.

>>3341162
Iranians have aryan ancestry you dumb nig nog

>>3341165
Also,
>>3341162
Where did this myth that Semites and Indo-Europeans are real present groups outside of abstract grammar come from? Because that grammar can be traced to a pair of groups 10,000 years ago that we know nothing about?

They are language groups. The only thing they have in common as such is etymology.

>>3341147
It may not to Afrocentric extremists but it does according to historical one drop rules.

>>3341183
Up until the modern era language groups correlated with ethnicity.

>>3341183

Nice science-free ethnologic interpretation of ethnogenetic affinities

>>3341165
Sorry, I meant to say didn't look the same as them.

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>>3341200
Sure. When the Portuguese arrived in South India, they were thinking "who are these crazy Dravidian savages" but then they reached Delhi and went "Ah, now I'm at home".

It's amazing how naive some of you are.

>>3341161
I don't give a fuck about your retarded idea of what blackness is you fucking ameritard, even fucking Vanessa Williams is black by your stupid standards.

>>3341217

Is that supposed to invalidate the idea that there are Indo-European and Semitic genes?

>>3341217
Show me a european people who spoke a mesoamerican language indigenously. I mean, there is no link between language and ethnicity, right?

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>>3341184
>one drop rule

>>3341220
I'm not even American.

>>3340945
If there would be no islam, there would be something else that would replace racism in regards of those people, either by what kind of Christianity they are following, or by their language, or anything ethnic related that would let some people feel superior to other people.

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>>3341255
Ok i guess i should not have insulted you that way, sorry.

>>3341285
The point is if middle easterners would be part of your afromentioned people

>>3341332
What do you mean?

You still see people speak of "Monophysite heresy" and "Nestorian heresy" even though millions of ME Christians have practiced those two for 1500 years.

So it's not "if" when it has already happened.

>>3341183
I was under the impression different language groups as well as mutual shared religious and cultural beliefs stem from common ancestry. Language is one of the biggest factors separating different peoples.

Also, Semitic and Indo-European are not equal groups, I believe Semitic is a branch of Afro-Asiatic languages.

>>3341382
The Carthaginians and Jews both adopted the language of their rulers, Latin and Aramaic (and eventually Greek for both) respectively. Then Arabic, Turkish, Portuguese, Spanish, French and English also spread in similar fashion.

>>3341409

Afro-Asiatic languages are about twice as old as IE

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>>3341183
>are real present groups outside of abstract grammar
Afro-Asiatic is a real present group sharing the same ancestry(E1b1b)

Indo-Mongrels are a mixed race tho

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>>3341435
you should kill yourself

>>3341438
>that "beard"

Kek

No if you aren't from Ireland, Britain or Scandinavia you aren't white.

>>3341184
A think only USA cares about, for anyone else Obama it's half white or a mulatoe.

>>3341409
But you can find common ground between Italics, Greeks, Armenians, Celtics, Germanics, Slavics/Baltics due to mutual shared ancestry and hertiage which is common place among IE peoples.

>>3341445
It is a one day "beard"

Now that i restarted to do gym my facial hair density is increasing

>>3341465
Nice broscience

why are you wh*Te subhuman asking this question everyday? Are you a self hater house nigger subhuman or just a mentally retarded wh*Te subhuman? even mentally ill wh*Te subhumans know that Western Asians are not fucking wh*Te

stick to your own inbred race. faggot.

>>3340974
Arabs are white if by white you mean Caucasoid and only germanics, celts and Slavs are white if by white you mean blue eyed and pale skin and blonde hair. So yet again it boils down to language

>>3341438
lmao this cuck, every post of his is pure autism

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>>3341521
Sport = increasing and releasing testosterone = beard
My hair density is growing at visible speed, two more month of gym and pic related will be my beard

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>>3341572
t. butthurt subhuman jealous of Glorious Trojan-Alan Master Race

>>3341578
You're the only subhuman here, I mean look at your face.

>>3341595
Post you subhuman face, subhuman

>>3341184
One drop rule is American nonsense from the early 20th century (look up Racial Integrity Act). How are American brainlets supposed to be the ultimate authority on race? Biologically it doesn't make any sense.

>>3341038
Sadat looks black but most Egyptians never looked like him.

>>3341351
Those werent racial distinctions

>>3341168
Persians have 4% aryan steppe ancestry. Same as Lebanese people lmao

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>>3341461
Why do Indo-European Armenians cluster with Kartvelian Georgians and Semitic Assyrians?

>>3341813
So do Gilakis and Manderazanis.

>>3341774
>Aryan Steppe Ancestry
I hope you aren't trying to imply the Yamanya and Andronvo people are Mongoloids.

Without Arab enrichment they were basically Meds. Now how are white are meds?

>>3341826
Should add, Gilakis and Mazanderanis specifically group and cluster as closely with other Iranian peoples as they do with Georgians, Ossteians, and Azeris (not Turkish Azerbaijani "Azeris") and most groups in the Caucasus.

>>3341813
>"Semitic" Assyrians

Have a huge input of R1b

>>3341813
>I don't understand how conquests work 90% of the time

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>>3341813
stop posting retarded pca plots that make no sense

>>3341969

Are you retarded? They're the same thing. Excluding East Asians gives more 2d space for West Eurasian variation.

No, races are determined by their genome and bone structure.
The most pale person on earth is an albino african

>>3340945
sure

>>3341162
Dravidian and greek migration

>>3342162
>Dravidian
>white
Really?

>>3342162
What the fuck are you on about

>>3341969
It's literally the same

POL THREAD FUCK OFF MODS MODS MODS

>>3340945

Absolutely without doubt. The Med is the true center of the white race, one people divided by religion against itself.

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>2020 - 3
>still using ENF

>>3342176
>Genetics
>/pol/


/pol/ is about "muh Aryan" not about "muh DNA"

>>3342206
Doesnt fit your narrative,huh?

>>3341058
Fuck off, we are surely better looking than you.

>>3342232
lmao

>>3341086
They probably have phoenicians anchestry which is common in some cities and uncommon in others.
The girl in the center makes me remember about a girl that tried to hit on me in middle school.
Scary stuff.

>>3342230
>outdated models nobody in the genetics community uses anymore are narrative
Doesnt fit your narrative,huh?

>>3342248
what is used then

>>3342248
[citation needed]

>>3341996
>>3342175
why are wh*Tes so fucking retarded?

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>>3342255
since Natufian and neolithic iranian DNA came out a year ago, geneticists can now distinguish the mediterranean genetic diversity
ever wondered why Sardinians plot so far from Iranians even on a simple PCA?

>>3342258
show me a single paper from this year or the last using ENF
I'll wait

>>3342258
Not him but there were three different ENF ethnicities and They were extremely different genetically, especially The Iranian farmers Who were profoundly different from Anatolian and levantine farmers Who despite bring genetically distinct were somrewhat closer

>>3342262
It's the same, retard

Now though this thread made me wonder
If us Sardinians are not white (and I don't really care about that) then genetically what are we?
Apart from being better looking than the guy above i mean

>>3342270
>ots to somo rotord
it's not same, wh*Te subhuman. you don't even have to use your small brain to see the difference you need fucking eyes, didn't Yakub give you eyes?

>>3342275
We Sardinians are superior to white subhumans

>>3341412

It doesn't really make sense to compare the ages of languages. They're all essentially the same age.

>>3341449

Obama is thought of as fully black across the Anglo world at least. Not just because of his ancestry, but because he fully embraces blackness as his identity. American blacks almost all have considerable white" admixture anyway, thanks to the common practice of bestiality there.

>>3341461

You can do the same thing with Finns and Basques and even (((T*rks)))

>>3342275
>>3342280
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sardinian_people#Genetics

tl;dr YOU WUZ NEOLITHIC FARMERS (mostly) aka Turkroach subhumans who migrated from Anatolia and Eastern Mediterranean. Still related to Turkroaches because Turk conquest was mostly cultural not genetic replacement

>>3342302
>calling Anatolians from 5000 BC Turks
wew

>>3342302
Turks are Caucasus hunter gatherers so no, the closest people alive to Sards are based Andalusians

>>3341826
>ARYAN steppe

Why would read this as mongoloid?

>>3342302
Aren't neolithic farmers the one that mixed with the indo-europeans and gave birth to the whites?
Call me daddy, little slut.

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>>3342275
arguably the most chiefly west Eurasian population

>>3342310
Well, they're closely related genetically to modern day turks aka Anatolian LARPers. Just trying to simplify things
>>3342311
I'm pretty sure CHG turned into Neolithic Farmers after they got the technology. Would like to see proof otherwise.

>>3342330
>Well, they're closely related genetically to modern day turks
except they are not

>>3342319
Basically Yes, all Euros are race mixing degenerate mongrels. But from what I recall from a couple years back (might be out of date compared to recent studies) most of this conquest was also cultural linguistic instead of genetic. (tl;dr Euros LARP as steppe niggers, Anatolians LARP as a different set of steppe niggers)

>>3342331
>would like to see proof otherwise

>>3342342
But by that account aren't neolithic farmers more european than the steppe charioter?

>>3342349
Depends on the definition of European you choose. Do you define European more on genetic lines, or do you define European on cultural-linguistic lines. It is your choice

>>3342275

The only coherent definition of "white" must include the three races who settled Europe, the mesolithic hunters, the neolithic farmers, and the bronze age charioteers and pastoralists. Sardinia is almost 100% neolithic farmer, and thus must be considered White.

>>3342353
I'd say a mix of both actually

>>3342331

Modern T*rks have around 20-25% central Asian (ie,Turkic) admixture, but the rest is mostly Greek and Anatolian.

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>>3342348
you are the one making the claims here
anatolia has been overwhelmed with iranian-neolithic-like ancestry ever since the late neolithic and bronze age

I'll make it easy for you(pic related)

>>3342368
it's not that, the west asian aka iranian neolithic related admixture is what sets them apart the most
see >>3342371

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>>3342330
>Well, they're closely related genetically to modern day turks aka Anatolian LARPers. Just trying to simplify things

If i ever see you talking about Ancient Anatolians i'll slit your wh*Te throat

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>>3342349

They were there earlier. They even built cool proto-civilizations in the Balkans with proto-writing and pottery and such, before the Steppe Apes levered their new chariot technology to BTFO of them so hard, it was literally thousands of years before their achievements where rediscovered.

>>3342374
wow t*rks truly are subhuman

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>>3342368
First of all, Central Asianness cannot be calculated by mongoloid dna because Oghuz Turkics were heavily mixed with Persians or Iranic tribes. This is why on gedmatch calculators Turks get results like this
>>3342302
>Turk conquest was mostly cultural not genetic replacement
Oh is that so sweetheart?
Damn i'd love to kick your inbred skull in. But i can't do that so i'll intellectually body slam you itt. I love bashing retards like you.

>>3342371
Not questioning the data, but then how would HG outbreed agriculturalists? Usually it's the other way around no? We have no historical or archeological data of CHG swarming over and invading the relatively less populated farmer population.

>>3342403
proper CHG is based on samples older than agriculture itself, the relatedness of iranian agriculturalists with them is likely due to pre agricultural movements

it's not actual CHG who invaded anatolia obviously, but iranian-neolithic related peoples who had strong affinity with them

>>3342412
Are you still talking?
>>3342388
What's subhuman is your race, wh*Te subhuman.

>>3342403

They adopted the technology of agriculture. The ones who refused and remained hunters got replaced by the farmers, the rest became farmers themselves.

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>>3342412
pic related makes a very strong case I think as west asian ancestry is pretty much nearly 1to1 with iran-neolithic ancestry

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>>3342342
>LARP KEK KEK XDDDDDDDDD LARP KEK KEK XDDD AM I ONE OF YOU NOW
>EUROS ARE MONGRELS
wait that's not a wh*Te subhuman, that's a FUCKING AMERIMUTT
>An Amerimutt calling anyone mongrel
LMAO

>>3342371
That's because Sardinians have additional European hunter gatherer admixture

>>3342463
quit it already, amerimutt. your ancient anatolian hypothesis was debunked literally years ago.

>>3342463
yes, but compared to AN it just makes them plot a little more on the bottom-left, just look at the pic

>>3342330
>I'm pretty sure CHG turned into Neolithic Farmers after they got the technology.

Neolithic farmers in Turkey mixed heavily with Iranian farmers who were genetically pretty close to CHG, and vice versa.

>>3342469
Yes I was explaining the difference between Anatolian neolithic and modern day Sards

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>>3342330
>>3342302
>>3342342
How can one person be this retarded

>>3342373
nah he's right and you're full of shit

>>3342515
not an argument

>>3342519
>>3342393
>>3342374
wrecking ancient anatolianists became my recent hobby

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>>3342342
Actually

The Bell Beakers(Proto-Celts) came into Europe and genocided 99% of the Natives in France, and 90% of the Natives in Britain.

>>3342527
oh no the french retard is here

>>3342527
They had heavily mixed with the natives of Germany by that point, and those were similar to natives of Britain.

>>3342529


Fuck off already

I don't care about your "muh i'm the son of a nazi"-bullshit and your obsession with me

>>3342545
dunno who you're talking about.
i just hate pseudo geneticists.

>>3342527
>Bell Beakers(Proto-Celts)
cringe

>>3342550
LMAO

I can recognize you miles away, you're the buttblasted amerimutt that that LARPed as "the son of a nazi" and that praised islam and the "Multiracial Reich"

I BTFO'd you so hard that you made pic related >>3341438 and spammed it on /pol/, /int/, and /his/ for a few days/weeks

>ITT: Butthurt
Anatolian LARPers are booty blasted as always.
I love genetics

>>3342572
No one is claiming Indoeuropean languages are from Anatolia, you retarded fuck.

>>3342572
I literally wrecked all of your arguments here >>3342374 and here >>3342393. We have more in commons with Seljuks than with Anatolians.
further evidence http://etd.lib.metu.edu.tr/upload/12607764/index.pdf
>I love genetics
I also love it, i get to wreck your subhuman kind. I made you my bitch itt. More like a Kocek but whatever.

now state your ethnicity. i want to learn what kind of a subhuman you are

>>3341465
You completely lack hair on the cheeks, it's not about it being one day old

>>3342589
>Kurd
>subhuman
Get out of Kurdistan you LARPing scum

>>3342598
>A FUCKING K*RD
no actually they're too retarded to use computer. i won't believe that.
you're either an Amerimutt or a Canuck which is basically discount amerimutt anyway. I think you're an Amerimutt because of your hatred towards wh*Te euros and your iq is too low even by wh*Te standards. and you spam LARP LARLP ALPRALRPARLPARLAPRLP like a retard, which indicates that you're an underage amerimutt. if you're underage that's fine because we preffered our koceks young.

>>3340945
Would Southern Europeans feel closer to MENA people or Northern/Eastern Europeans if Islam had never existed?

>>3342554
>Bell Beaker has been suggested as a candidate for an early Indo-European culture; more specifically, an ancestral proto-Celtic.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beaker_culture#Postulated_linguistic_connections

Bell-Beaker is the only link between Continental Celts and Insular Celts, Hallstat and La Tène or even Unetice are know to never have expanded in the British Islands

>>3342613
But they feel closed to MENA people right now, do you never visit /int/?

>>3342622
Hallstata did indeed expand in the British isles

>>3340945
>muslims is race

>>3342622
>Proto-Celts
>2800BC

cringe

at best they were pre-proto-Celts speaking some sort of early IE dialect, it's just like saying Corded Ware in 2900BC was was proto-Balto-Slavic or some shit.

>>3342613
>tfw you will never live in the timeline where Islam didn't split the Mediterranean in two

>>3342613

Look at how South Europeans discriminate between Syrian Christians and Syrian Muslims, welcoming the one and hating the other. If MENA was still Christian then of course the region would have much closer ties.

>>3342655
And on top of that it's very likely that Iberian beakers actually were the culture originated weren't even speakers of IE language, since they didn't have any steppe admixture and carried different parental markers. British/Central European Beakers were basically Corded ware watered down with some farmer ancestry.

>>3342665
>Francis, who is the son of Italian migrants to Argentina, took 12 Syrians from three families – all of them Muslims – home with him to the Vatican on Saturday.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/apr/17/pope-francis-hailed-saviour-syrian-refugees-lesbos-vatican

>>3342680

Are you seriously denying that there is any difference in the treatment of the two groups?

>>3342672
Correct, calcolithic Iberians were genetically the closest to Sards, see this PCA:

>>3340393

Not only that Iberian bell beaker also migrated to Sardinia and there were strong ties between the El Argar culture in Anadalusia and the Monte Claro and Bonannaro cultures in Sardinia, same swords and similar archtiecture

Grouping all bell beaker as "celtic" is completely idiotic seeing as South Europeans bell beakers were their own group, very different genetically fro central European bell beakers

>>3342265
So what I'm basically getting is farming started in Mesopotamia, adopted by 3 differently genetically distinct groups. Zargos, Western Anatolians and Levantine. These people are related to South Asians Euros and East Africans respectively. But who were the CHG then? Who's more related to the turks today CHG, or WAF?

>>3342693
CHG were people closely related genetically to iranian farmers

>ho's more related to the turks today CHG, or WAF?

I think CHG are slightly more related if I recall correctly

>>3342622
>Bell-Beaker is the only link between Continental Celts and Insular Celts, Hallstat and La Tène or even Unetice are know to never have expanded in the British Islands

At least google some maps before posting stupid shit like this you retarded French faggot.

>>3342735
>retarded French faggot

What's it called when all three words mean the same thing? Like a tautology, but with three?

>>3342633
My bad
>>3342735
>Being retarded
>Lacking knowledge
pick one

>stupid shit
>French faggot
Shut up, animal

>>3342813
>A Fr*g calling an English speaker an "animal"

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

>>3340945
Technically Berbers and Arabs are Caucasian. That doesn't make them European, however.

>>3342813
I pick you being retarded. Your autism streaks on /int/, /his/ are getting tiresome. While you post your bullshit theories which you base on your own biased opinion, whilst being oblivious to such simple facts like Hallstat expanding to Britain and speaking of proto-Celts as Bell Beakers shows that you're a retard with lack of critical thinking.

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>>3342859
Just look at this shit, he argues that Franks weren't Germanic because some paintings show some historical figures not blonde/blue eyed because according to him all Germanics were blonde/blue eyed.

This guy is literally mentally ill has been shitting up /int/ and /his/ for months already.

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>>3342844
But you are

Even til today French are still the ruling and scientific class of your country

>>3342859
>which you base on your own biased

I'm a bit biaised but not so much

Anglos claim to be pure Saxons that genocided the Native Britons
Turks claim to be pure Turkic that replaced the Native Anatolians
Some Finns claim to be more Indo-Europeans than Western Euros
Some Poles claim that they created Germanic Civilization and that Poles are deified Germanic deities

I'm average when it comes to wewuzzery

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>>3342851
they are in part european tho.

>>3342896
>eyed because according to him all Germanics were blonde/blue eyed.
All people that saw the Germanics claimed the same

And you just need to type "Codex Manesse" on Google Images to see how Germanic looked like. Let me give you an hint, you'll find it difficult to spot a non-blond/red.

>>3342919
>All people that saw the Germanics claimed the same

>"All"

Yes because historical authors/painters/historians have never exaggerated and weren't biased too, didn't have their artistic styles and we should take everything they said/painted/wrote for truth.


Plato wrote that Atlantis exists? So he must be right.

German monks wrote about Battle of Grunwald based on two "eye-witness" accounts saying there were 1,700,000 Poles, 2,800,000 Lithuanians, 500,000 Tatars as well as Saracens, Turks and etc.

So it must be right he even based it on eye-witness accounts.

As I said earlier you lack critical thinking.

>>3342955
You lack critical thinking this time

Every eye-wtinesses agree that Germanic are Tall, nond/red haired, and blue eyed, and the Germanics from the Middle-Age depicted themselves so, and finally, non-mongrelized Germanics like the Swedes and the Danes are still mainly blond.

I know it is hard to handle because of your origins, but just like the Turks you must admit that the people you claim as your ancestors, just conquered you and imposed their culture/language on you.

>>3342970
Not that guy you replied to but honestly youre retarded if you believe germanics were 100% blonde, do you even realise that blondism is recessive and how near impossible it is for population to such as whole germanic group to be all blonde

>>3343025
>youre retarded if you believe germanics were 100% blonde
Not an argument

>do you even realise that blondism is recessive
If it is "European + European" it isn't in all case, if it is European + "Non-European" it is

>and how near impossible it is for population to such as whole germanic group to be all blonde
it is possible thro selective breeding

You're inversing/confusing thing btw, you claim that it is impossible because current "Germanc" aren't blond but these non-blond people are not Germanic but either mixed raced or Germanized people

>>3343089
Google what is Hardy-Weinberg equilibrium before continuing with your broscience retard

>>3343106
>broscience
A member of my family is dark haired and he maried a Germanic(Blond haired) all his kids are blond, the darkest has Dark blond hair

So shut up, mongrel fitlh

If you're not Blond and LARP as Germani you're a lowly mongrel, lowlier than dog shit

>>3343121
So you're even clueless about basic biology. Were you home schooled?

>>3342909
Only so much that they share a similar genotype. Hence being Caucasian.

>>3340945
No, because berbers are on average brown-skinned, and while Levantines are lighter they're pretty swarthy on average.

It doesn't matter if there is some phenotypical overlap with Southern Europeans - there's some phenotypical overlap between Southern Europeans and Northern Europeans.

The whole of concept of whiteness is vague. I think Southern European ethnicities should just identify with their ethnic identities, and then regional ones. But insecure MENA posters need to stop exaggerating their physical similarity with them. Plus, it's motivated by racism anyway.

>>3343137
No, it's another shart in the mart pretending to be german.

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>>3343137
>Claim that blondism is always recessive
>Then claim that i don't know anything about biology

You're the one that is clueless

I will use an even more striking example, retard

Pic related is a Polish-Black baby ! Are blond hair recessive, retard ?

Just accept your Non-Germanic ancestry and stop humiliating yourself

you fool no ones but yourself, retard

>>3343137
By the way, mongrel

Hardy-Weinberg equilibrium is backing what i said, as long as there is no gene flow a people will stay the same genetically

Which is why some French have the same DNA than Pannonians from 2000 BC, or Lebanese than Canaanites from 4000 BC

>>3343166
If the dad is a "blacké american it is very possible he has the blond gene.

>>3343208
He precisely called me a retard for :

>If it is "European + European" it isn't in all case(mentioning that blondism isn't always recessive)

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>>3343166
>Tfw poland is following in the footsteps of burgerland
Polen yes :DDD

>>3343213
Do you even know what recessive means

>>3343141
>Plus, it's motivated by racism anyway.

pretty obvious. There's a reason honorary white is such a backhanded compliment.

>>3341094
Race is arbitrary because you can delineate it based off any criteria you choose (like colour of your areola).

>>3343223
>Dominance in genetics is a relationship between alleles of one gene, in which the effect on phenotype of one allele masks the contribution of a second allele at the same locus.[1][2]


You implied that blondism is always recessive while in this >>3343166 case he is dominant
Then you mentioned a principle that you don't master namely the "Hardy-Weinberg equilibrium" to pass a wise, then you claim something that this principle contradict my claim


Read carefully and learn faggot :

>The Hardy-Weinberg equilibrium is a principle stating that the genetic variation in a population will remain constant from one generation to the next in the absence of disturbing factors. When mating is random in a large population with no disruptive circumstances, the law predicts that both genotype and allele frequencies will remain constant because they are in equilibrium.


If Germanic didn't racemix(disruptive circumstances) this principle "predicts that both genotype and allele frequencies will remain constant because they are in equilibrium"

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white is a stupid distinction and literally just means Germanics+French half of the time

>>3343262
>then you claim something that this principle contradict my claim
then you claim something this principle contradict

fixed that for me

>>3343262
So far you haven't presented any data to support your claim that Germanics were all blonde other than your anecdotal evidence. Also watch it with the words, you low test cuck if that picture is you I feel sad for you already. You look like a wog and your beard is basically three pubes on your chin. t. different /int/ poster

>>3343310
>So far you haven't presented any data to support your claim that Germanics were all blonde

I have, you just tried to move the goalpost but it backfired

Next time learn what you're talking about before opening your mouth

>other than your anecdotal evidence.
If you're referring to the picture, it is an actual considering you claimed/implied that blond hair are always recessive


> Also watch it with the words,
I'm someone polite, when this guy proved me that i'm wrong >>3342813 i just admited my wrong, but i have no patience nor respect for mongrels like you that insult me for no reason

By the way, retard
I orignally came to say that
>The Bell Beakers(Proto-Celts) came into Europe and genocided 99% of the Natives in France, and 90% of the Natives in Britain.

To which responded :
>oh no the french retard is here

Thus follow your advices cause you may be untouchable on internet but i swear that one day you will grow some balls and say something like that IRL and you will be beaten to a pulp :)

>you low test cuck if that picture is you I feel sad for you already.
i can beat your ass anytime, cuck

> You look like a wog
I'm indeed not Germanic and never claimed to be one, seeing how your women fuck shitskin i guess i found clue about how "Germanics" became not non-blond

>and your beard is basically three pubes on your chin.
One day beard,

So far : ad hominem


>. t. different /int/ poster
Nope, faggot

it can works once but no two times

>>3343384
Lmaoing at this mentally ill cuck, you still have presented any data which says all Germanics are blond instead posting a wall of text with your immaginary ramblings try again.

>>3343384
>it is an actual considering
it is an actual evidence considering

>I orignally came to say that
I orignally came here to say that

>To which responded :
You responded with

>i found clue about how "Germanics" became not non-blond

i found some clues about "how "Germanics" became non-blond"

>it can works once but no two times
it can works once but not two times

Fixed that for me

>>3343420
Sacrebleu

>>3343420
You were arguing with at least two different people I don't care about your beaker autism nor did I write anything about it.

>>3342316
Turk shitposters would. Just the other week or two we had someone from there claiming Scythians were Turkic.

>>3343269
>portugal

>>3342570
You didn't BTFO anyone. You have no basic understanding of anything. People hate panonianon because of you.

>>3343139
They would be caucasians even without european admixture, they are still 2/3 non-europeans after all

>>3342189
Proof?

>>3344556
>>3344556
Yes i did

First you asked proof about the Germans being blond, i provided them, then you claimed that blond hair genes are always recessive and called me a retard for saying they arent, thus i showed a pic of Half-Black Half-White Baby with blond hair and blue eyes here >>3343166

After that, you said that i don't know what "recessive" mean so i posted a definition of dominant/recessive to INSTRUCT YOU

>the effect on phenotype of one allele masks the contribution contribution of a second allele at the same locus. The first allele is dominant and the second allele is recessive.


Finally, you thought that the "Hardy-Weinberg equilibrium" proved that a people's DNA will unavoidably change, which showed how undecated you are because the main point of the "Hardy-Weinberg equilibrium" is that if a people isn't disturbed by external factors like major mutations(which take thousands of years) or gene flow(immigration + racemixing) it stay the same.
Sources about the Germanics being blond btw :

Germanics :
>All have fierce blue eyes, red hair, huge frames, fit only for a sudden exertion.
Tacitus. Germany. Book I. IV.

Goths, Vandals, Vicigorhs, and Gepaedes :
>For they all have white bodies and fair hair, and are tall and handsome to look upon
Procopius. History of the Wars. Book III. II.

Angles
>Gregory himself went with the rest, and, among other things, some boys were set to sale, their bodies white, their countenances beautiful, and their hair blond.
Bede. Ecclesiastical History of the English Nation. Book II. I.

Saxons
>We see in his courts the blue-eyed Saxon, lord of the seas, but a timid landsman here.
Sidonius Apollinaris. Letters. Book VIII. IX.

Batavians
>I am a jest of the potter, mask of a red-haired Batavian.
Martial. Epigrams. Book XIV. CLXXVI.

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>>3340945
No because they usually have black hair, brown eyes and tan skin.

>>3340983
That's a pretty nice tan.