>be the oil industry >singlehandedly create modern civilization,

>>3326031
>singlehandedly create modern civilization, the green revolution, petrochemical revolution, and mass transportation
globalization, wars in the middle east, etc.
It's not rocket science

>>3326031
oil cartels and pollution

>>3326031
the oil was used for the tar and in lamps
the electric light was going to kill the oil industries when they had luck of the invention of the combustion engine (they didn't create it) in the end of the 19th century
they created nothing, they pollute and are not a "force" of good
they get what they deserved

>>3326031
oh just the bit where the entire industry fell into the hands of a handful of massive international corporations that propped up countless brutal regimes, sponsored a bunch of wars, worked together to stymie any development of alternative power sources and try to prevent any action to reduce oil consumption and its harmful effects on the planet.

access to energy is nice but there are a hell of a lot of other sources of energy than oil.

>>3326414
Alternative energy sources are too expensive and inefficient to compete with oil, not because the oil industry was sabotaging them, the only real competition was nuclear power which was killed by environmentalists

>>3326432
Nuclear is expensive, expensive as fuck as fuck anon and oil companies deliberately meddle with other energy source shit in regards to research and development/funding.

>>3326432
wrong

100yrs ago advanced batteries, bulbs, wireless electricity (tesla), and electric cars and trams, existed, but the robber oil barrons did the best they could to keep humanity eternally tarred in oil (shit)

>>3326397
>>3326354
>>3326313
on the right track

Railways were a huge part of the 19th century USA and at that time our railway corporations were not only profitable, but were among the best in the world.

electric cars were gaining ground and electric trams were extensive

Then the early 20th came along, some ruthless guy named Rockefeller started a company called Standard Oil...and everything went to shit.

Its actually amazing how much one man cucked the USA, and in some ways the entire world. He's not Rothschild tier, but he's pretty close.

Anyway, the USA doesn't want to use less oil, because guys like Rockefeller wanted to use the most oil possible. He not only helped kill/restrain our railways, but he also battled Henry Ford over making sure automobiles ran on oil instead of corn grain alcohol (which would have made more sense in every way)

All this shit we have now. The Global oil market, Saudi Arabia controlling the petrol dollar, etc etc. It can all be traced back to Standard Oil (Rockefeller)

>>3326484
>>3326432
The fast-industrializing outposts of civilization scattered across great distances were made possible by trains. This growth gave rise to the need for commercial electricity. But those who used electricity craved wireless power--ability to store electricity and use it far from the center of generation. Behold: the world needed a storage battery--the most revolutionary power concept since fire. Today, the idea is simple and small enough to balance on a fingertip. But in the decades after the American Civil War, the "box of electricity" was the sensational stuff of legendary false advertising, great stock manipulation, calculated corporate deceit, commercial looting, technology fraud, and epic, destructive patent litigation that suppressed the real scientific advances in favor of instant profits. In the process, the corruption subdued society's desire to energize simply, cleanly, and inexpensively.

Internal Combustion: How Corporations and Governments Addicted the World to Oil and Derailed the Alternatives.

http://www.internalcombustionbook.com/Introduction.php


>electric car
>A century ago, society could have started down the path of electric cars. We already had regenerative braking like hybrids have now, and we could have powered our cars on a decentralized system with home electricity, swap-out batteries and plug-in stations.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-_SPo2huUI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXx8khPVBbY

>Battery suppression
>Large-format NiMH batteries were commercially viable and ready for mass production, but there is evidence to support that Chevron and other oil-related interests may have suppressed the technology. Presumably to forestall the introduction of battery electric vehicles and plug-in hybrids
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cobasys#Criticisms

>>3326432
>efficiency
>relevant
Fuck off

>>3326492
>>3326484
>advanced batteries, electric cars, and Railways in the 19th century USA
One of my favorite historical journeys (this and, highly related, telegraphy). Amazing time. Amazing people. Amazing inventions. All the shenannigens. Just.

And yes, the american people got fucked over (and over and over again...) so hard in the name of business. Also amazing.

Pro-tip: all the books from that era are freely available as pdf on google books. And there are a lot of them. Fascinating stuff.


http://www.siemens.com/recollections/pdf/Siemens-Recollections.pdf

>>3326492
>investigative history into the conspiracy to stop the electric car nearly a century ago
http://www.evworld.com/article.cfm?storyid=1239
http://tv.greenmedinfo.com/edwin-black-history-of-electric-cars/

>Phoebus cartel destroyed long-lasting cheap light bulb with short-term bulbs that kept the customer buying more
>Centennial Light is the world's longest-lasting light bulb at least 120 years old
>The hand-blown carbon filament common light bulb was manufactured in Shelby, Ohio, by the Shelby Electric Company in the late 1890s;[5] many just like it still exist and can be found functioning.

http://spectrum.ieee.org/geek-life/history/the-great-lightbulb-conspiracy

>>3326484
>corn grain alcohol (which would have made more sense in every way
How? Wouldn't it be just like Ethanol is today? A more expensive fuel with dubious 'green' benefits that can only compete with cheap gasoline fuel through heavy government subsidies that cause perverse incentives for farmers which have substantial negative impacts in other parts of the world?

>>3326522
brazil has been doing it on sugarcane for almost a century

E85 burns cleaner, is renewable, and the USA grows the most corn in the world.
It might also help prop farmers up so we dont have to use unhealthy corn syrup in food.

But no, we couldn't have that completely logical timeline. Because greedy men didn't want it.

So we prop up the Middle East while our own infrastructure remains stuck in the past, and we have to prop the corn farmers up somehow so we use corn syrup in all of our food which is making us hilariously fat monstrosities.

>>3326532
It seems they're also paying around $4.50 for a gallon of gas compared to the US average of around $2.50.

Furthermore diverting corn production to Ethanol has profound effects on the global supply of corn which can increase prices of foodstuffs for Americans or even cause a shortage of food in foreign areas dependent on american food imports.

It seems to me that Ethanol is essentially a tax on consumers to provide subsides for farmers for a stop-gap solution for carbon emitting personal transportation.

Turning corn into fuel makes no sense because the modern agriculture system is completely dependent on petrochemicals, the more corn you grow the more oil you need

>>3326506
>>3326492
>>3326484
wtf i hate nefarious robber barrons

they destroyed civlization

>>3326031

>Oil finally runs out
>World is forced to revert to 19th century technology.

>>3326432
>americans

>>3326558
>spending a bit more money to slow everything from rotting away is bad because it means i cant have mcshits every fucking day for every fucking meal

>>3326574
Haven't you heard? the fear in the oil industry today is "Peak Demand". That the demand for oil is going to level off within the next few decades and start to fall. The oil industry is looking for alternative business models for that contingency.

>>3326566
Idiot, the 'modern agriculture system' can be switched to corn too, slowly.

>>3326579
tl;dr the gravy train runs out and the oil welfare queen mafiosos lookin for new welfare scams

>>3326578
You're dismissing legitimate and significant public policy concerns out of hand and acting out like a child.

>>3326590
>acting like a child is bad ;c im so mature and only care about teh fax and efficiency and money ;c

Eco-Weenies think solar panels and EVs will put an end to oil. All it is going to do is make oil even cheaper. Which will cause it to be used for even more stuff.

we're going to be consuming oil until we can't squeeze another drop out of the ground.

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>>3326590
>You're dismissing legitimate and significant public policy concerns

oh, like pic related public policy of Rockefeller (oil barron mafioso)

>>3326598
>>3326590

>oil baron public policy

The Genocide, Eugenics and Birth Control movements were forced to completely re-make themselves after the Holocaust.

ie: away from hard genocide, to soft genocide

Returning to the root Malthusian hysteria, they repackaged their agenda as based on ‘over-population.’ Many, if not most, of the measures entertained prior to the Holocaust remained on the table for consideration. Only the reasons for implementing those measures were changed. Thus, in the 1950s and 1960s, calls for ‘population control’ increased in frequency and volume. See Paul Ehrlich’s “The Population Bomb” as one example that made a dent in popular opinion.

But population control advocates understood that the scope of the problem they were presenting required government action at all levels. Thus, Richard Nixon was prompted to enact population control legislation (still in force today). In 1972, Nixon would call for a commission to ‘study’ the problem and present recommendations. This is known as the Rockefeller Commission Report.

The two names most prominently listed on the Jaffe Memo are Bernard Berelson and Frederick Jaffe, the one responsible for the memo itself. These two same individuals were members of the Rockefeller Commission. Berelson was a full commissioner, while Jaffe was listed as a ‘special consultant.

http://jaffememo.com/the-memo-in-context

>>3326596
No, the aim is to get rid of all sources of power.

>>3326602
>oil baron public policy

>The American eugenics was funded by various corporate foundations including the Carnegie Institution, Rockefeller Foundation, and the Harriman

>German Nazi eugenics was funded by he Rockefeller Foundation.[8]

>Rockfellers also owned IG Farben throught the Standard Oil Co. Inc., this isnt even a meme

>The Rockefeller Foundation even funded Josef Mengele

>Population Council Established in 1952 by John D. Rockefeller III, with important funding from the Rockefeller Brothers Fund, The Council has its roots in the discredited eugenics movement.

> Planned Parenthood received extensive funding from John D. Rockefeller Jr. and his family, who continued to make anonymous donations to Sanger's causes in subsequent decades

>>3326590

>oil baron public policy

Allan Dulles, friend of the Nazis, boss of the CIA, and agent of the Rockefellers.

http://aangirfan.blogspot.com/2013/01/nixon-rockefeller-dulles-lansky-nazis.html

the CIA was developed by the mafia that owns US: Rockefeller, Bush, Harrimans etc

USA for the last century was the project of the Rockefellers. all of the wars, economic and social policies are theirs-- from eugenics, planned parenthood, islamists, NAFTA, 9/11 (WTC), globalised China

made their connections to Germany through Allen Dulles's firm of Sullivan and Cromwell because they supported Fascism. The Dulles brothers arranged American investments in Nazi Germany in the 1930s.

Instead of divesting the Nazi money," continue the authors, "Bush hired a lawyer to hide the assets. The lawyer he hired had considerable expertise in such underhanded schemes. It was Allen Dulles. According to Dulles's client list at Sullivan & Cromwell, his first relationship with Brown Brothers, Harriman was on June 18, 1936. In January 1937 Dulles listed his work for the firm as 'Disposal of Stan [Standard Oil] Investing stock.'

"As discussed in Chapter 3, Standard Oil of New Jersey had completed a major stock transaction with Dulles's Nazi client, I.G. Farben.

http://emperors-clothes.com/articles/randy/swas5.htm

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Engdahl_F_William/Rockefeller_Plan_SOD.html
http://www.depopulation.newworldorderuniversity.com/Wordpress/?p=70

>>3326605
you cant' replace oil in aviation and ships.

nothing else is energy dense enough for airplanes.

shipping only works by cheap fuel pushing cheap hulls. that rules out nuclear power for civilian shipping. sailing would drive up transit times to the point that only expensive luxury goods would be shipped.


the hydrocarbons no longer being used for ground transit. would become incredibly cheap. which would make the market find new non fuel uses for them.

>>3326590
>oil baron public policy


>General Motors and Ford creates the motorized nazi war machine
>IBM partners with nazis to efficiently run the extermination of millions in Europe with IBM systems
>The Carnegie Institution and its sponsored movement spent millions to propagate American eugenic theories in post-WWI Germany, financing and directing race science programs in universities and official institutions. These included the idea that Jews must be eliminated.
>Rockefeller funded Hitler’s chief raceologist Otmar Verschuer and his insatiable twin experimentation programs.

U.S. oil companies sold oil to Nazi Germany
the Rockfeller literally allowing Hitler to keep killing millions of Europeans by selling them oil (and being their main if not only provider for a while).

>GM's Opel was the largest car and truck maker in the Third Reich. When Hitler came to power, his nation was still primarily a horse-drawn country. From the outset, GM consciously mass produced cars and truck for the German military, becoming a major and indispensable spear of Nazi rearmament. This included the Blitz truck which became the mainstay of the Blitzkrieg that conquered Europe. GM concealed its American control of Opel through special executives committees and board directorates. After the War, GM took all the profit, including that gained from slave labor. After a Congressional investigation, GM tried to obscure the facts and pressured Washington about a special report on the company's activities. To this day, the company frustrates research efforts into its protracted and profitable involvement in Nazi genocide

The EU tried to replace petroleum by using palm oil, as a result vast swathes of southeast Asia are being deforested to grow palm oil, not only is it more expensive than oil it's also worse for the environment

>>3326590
>oil baron public policy

the deinndustrialization of US started with Nixon/Rockefeller's globalist shift to China. the steel belt became the rust belt in the 70s due to their policies.

the clintons continued rockefeller's policies (including NAFTA)


the "Rust Belt" is a term that gained popularity in the U.S. in the 1970s, resulting from Rockefeller's globalist policies.

Since the 1960s, the expansion of Rockefeller's worldwide free trade agreements have been less favorable to U.S. workers. Imported goods such as steel cost much less to produce in Third World countries (china) with cheap foreign labor

Beginning with the recession of 1970–71, a new pattern of deindustrializing economy emerged.
Nixon/Rockefeller China project went to full swing in the 1980s.

Nixons China policy resulted in gradual expansion of the U.S. trade deficit with China in the 1980s. In the ensuing years the U.S. developed a massive trade deficit with the East Asian nations of China, Hong Kong, Taiwan. As a result, the traditional manufacturing workers in the region have experienced economic upheaval. This effect has devastated government budgets across the U.S and increased corporate borrowing to fund retiree benefits.


http://theinternationalforecaster.com/topic/international_forecaster_weekly/How_Big_Oil_Engineered_the_Petrodollar

>>3326602
>>3326610
>>3326616
What are you doing? Poster A said that "corn grain alcohol (which would have made more sense [than gasoline] in every way)" I engaged that point, asked him to explain it and presented a counter argument (i.e. ethanol does NOT make more sense than gasoline for X, Y, and Z). In response to that he gave a catty dismissal that didn't even acknowledge the points made against his argument. Now you're spewing copy-pasted walls of text at me that have nothing to do with what I was posting about.

>>3326622
That ends too, you idiot. No AC power (hand-cranking is fine), no matching technologies -- none of that.

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>oil industry is greedy and wants to sell as much oil as possible, but they also want to exterminate most of their customers

>>3326624
bio-fuels are retarded. unless you want to use algae oil, grown in tanks and using city waste water. Then it is actually a benefit.

but growing crops specifically to make non food oils is an ecological and humanitarian disaster. as you are using scarce arable land, scarce fresh water, and lots of synthetic chemicals to make consumer goods compete with humans.

>>3326616

>oil baron public policy

The construction of the first World Trade Center was conceived by David Rockefeller

In 1946 Winthrop Aldrich chairman of Chase bank ( and uncle to David and Nelson Rockefeller) explored the feasibility of the World Trade Center project.

Port Authority formally backed the project on March 11, 1961.

On January 22, 1962, the two states reached an agreement to allow the Port Authority to take over the railroad and to build the World Trade Center on Manhattan's lower west side

Protests before and while the World Trade Center was constructed, as to whether the Port Authority really ought to take on the project, described by some as a "mistaken social priority". (the goyim sensed the masonic b.s.)

real estate developers and members of the Real Estate Board of New York also expressed concerns about this much "subsidized" office space going on the open market, competing with the private sector when there was already a glut of vacancies

Yamasaki as lead architect, who had previously designed Saudi Arabia's Dhahran International Airport with the Saudi Binladin Group (more masonic molochism)

The plaza was modelled after Mecca, incorporating features such as a vast delineated square, a fountain, and a radial circular pattern. Yamasaki described the plaza as "a mecca, a great relief from the narrow streets and sidewalks of the Wall Street area.

twin 110-story towers

demolition work began on March 22, 1966 to clear the residential site, Radio Row

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Construction_of_the_World_Trade_Center#Controversy

>>3326645
>oil baron public policy

back in the 60s there were major protests in NYC against building the WTC, because there was literally, absolutely no real reason and no practical purpose for the WTC. at the time, the area was a residential neighborhood and NYC suffered from a high office vacancy rate. one of the major objections was that the project was financially unsound since there was already an economic crisis from a surplus of empty office space in NYC.

most office buildings were vacant and people protested against destroying a residential neighborhood for a useless office building that would just add to the inventory of struggling, empty office space market.

the gov't ignored all financial, social, and practical issues and continued with the "purposeless" project and throughout the WTC's existence, vacancy rate was always high for WTC, and also for NYC. WTC was practically empty throughout the 70s, 80s, 90s

the purpose of the "11" building was finally revealed on the mega occult ritual sacrifice of 2001

>>3326648
>oil baron public policy

With his brother Nelson serving as New York’s governor, Rockefeller lined up support from the bi-state, New York/New Jersey Port Authority agency. A wealthy, quasi-public commission, the Port Authority, was using public tax payer money to fund, build and occupy the vacant WTC.

the govt agency, the Port Authority owners of WTC were themselves the tenants of the WTC, since it was always vacant. even with the Port Authority occupancy did not alleviate the vacancy issue.


The idea was immediately slammed by business leaders who saw it as clear evidence that the project had no legs. "The Governor is using taxpayers' dollars to bail out the Port Authority," one critic told the New York Times. "There is no need for the World Trade Center and there are no tenants."

https://www.citylab.com/life/2012/09/original-world-trade-centers-rocky-real-estate-history/3240/

>>3326648
>ack in the 60s there were major protests in NYC against building the WTC, because there was literally, absolutely no real reason and no practical purpose for the WTC. at the time, the area was a residential neighborhood and NYC suffered from a high office vacancy rate. one of the major objections was that the project was financially unsound since there was already an economic crisis from a surplus of empty office space in NYC.

super tall skyscrappers always get built around the times of economic collapse.

>>3326638
its not that they want to its just that they dont care if they do because theyll still be able to sell to the survivors

>>3326633
>oil baron public policy

Rockefeller created China

US Middle Class Still Suffering from Rockefeller-Kissinger Industrial Transfer Scheme to China

http://21stcenturywire.com/2016/12/31/us-middle-class-still-suffering-from-rockefeller-kissinger-industrial-transfer-scheme-to-china/

Do you know how much mining you would have to do to replace everything with batteries, or how much land and water you would need to grow biofuels? It would be an environmental catastrophe magnitudes worse than anything the oil industry is doing

The energy density of fossil fuels cannot be matched

If you wanted to replace current fossil fuel consumption with alternatives you would need 4 million wind turbines taking an area of 275,000 sqkm(an area the size of new zealand), or alternatively you would need 11 BILLION rooftop solar panels using an area of 65,000 sqkm

>>3326657
the illuminati gutted the american working class to create a middle class in china

>>3326652
>local economic crisis confined to a historical surplus of empty office space in NYC
economic collapse.
nope

NYC always had an extreme surplus of vacant office space, its not economic collapse that spurred the building of WTC.


see >>3326645
Oil Barron Rockefellers proposed the WTC building in 1946

>>3326662
no worries. the oil barons have another human sacrifice ritual planned when their boogeyman china gets the command for war

>>3326673
note the link between rockefeller (standard oil), saudi arabia, wahabists, jihadists, nwo, 9/11

just like rockefeller created nazi germany and superpower china, he also created islamic jihad

rockefellers oil empire turned camel herders into powerful proxy tools for globalist proxy terror

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>>3326673

>>3326659
>replace
No you idiot, destroy.
Fucking hell you stupid burgerclaps

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>>3326674
really makes me wonder

>>3326678
You want to destroy what exactly? Fossil Fuels are just energy. "Destroying fossil fuels" without a replacement is just getting rid of the energy that produces the food you eat, pumps the water you drink, and provides the electricity you use to browse 4chan.

>>3326682
>destroying efficient systems

>In the early 1900s, General Motors' long-time president, Alfred P. Sloan, Jr., began implementing a plan to expand auto sales and maximize profits by eliminating streetcars.
>In 1922, Sloan established a special unit within GM that was charged with, among other things, the task of replacing the United States' electric railways with cars, trucks, and buses. Consumers who no longer had the option of taking the streetcar turned first to the bus lines and, eventually, to owning and driving their own automobiles.

no public transport because car companies bribed government officials in the 40s and 50s to plan cities without public transport oriented towards cars ie us suburbia

public transport was sabotaged to steer the flock towards car/oil

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5Wlo0Pv344

Segal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2lMxCA7CL4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_NcwTbpIDQ


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Motors_streetcar_conspiracy

>In 1930 the electric streetcar ruled Chicago

with social engineering and propoganda campaigns, GM successfully wasted billions of public tax dollars.
wasted billions of public $$ to fund their monopoly.

>>3326682
Technology
Nice nonarguments, redditor.
>people can't eat their own food
Delusion
>people can't pump their own water
Delusion (and a result of tainting the groundwater)

>>3326690
So why are you on 4chan instead of tilling your own property?

>>3326686
>>3326682
>Mfw my team member used to run ticker tape for TELECOM back in the 70's
>Mfw where he worked they kept the info hub running but using magnets in the floor that basically created unlimited energy
>Mfw that shit was built in the early 60's
>Yfw you realize that the US solved the energy crisis back in the 60's but never told anyone because you don't make money off unlimited free energy

>>3326695
Because I'm not living on my property while in university and it's 10PM and pissing rain outside?

>>3326670
Empire State Building was built a year after the Great Depression started.

Burj Khalifa and basically most of Dubai were built right before the 2008 collapse.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skyscraper_Index

http://www.businessinsider.com/skyscraper-index-skyscrapers-signal-financial-recession-2012-1

WTC opened same year as the Oil Crisis.

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>>3326696

>>3326698
Whats the point of a university degree if subsistence farming is the ideal?

>>3326643
Fucking this. SEA here, retarded people just can't understand. Our government controlling the information source about palm so hard they even told us that "palm tress will grow into actual tree in 30 years so planting it will help the environment instead."

>>3326709
Get off reddit already

>>3326717
You sound like a Ted Kazcynski wanna-be.

>>3326719
>being triggered this hard

>>3326696
Magnets. How do they fucking work?!?

>>3326558
Why are you americans so brainwashed and retarded?

>>3326719
You sound like a faggot.

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>>3326623
Tl;dr USA is the Whore of Babylon and the Satan on Earth

>>3326622

> you can't replace oil in aviation and ships.

You can make jet fuel out of biofuels, which is renewable.

You can also assist naval propulsion with the same. Also plausible to make them partly solar powered. Cargo ships have a lot of surface area, and they don't need a lot of power at cruise speed.

In all honesty, we should be shifting away from petroleum for energy altogether. The petrochemicals industry is far more crucial and far more difficult to replace with substitutes compared to just burning oil.

>>3326031

Denial of climate change, imperialism,stamping their feet and not letting us change to renwables so when we exit peak oil we enter a long collapse scenario

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>>3326484
AYO HOL UP
smacks lips profusely
What youse tryin' to say is
breathes heavily
That we niggas can
licks teeth and grins
You means we can be coastin on hi-fructose cornsyrup'an shit

>>3326532
>E85
Enjoy your frozen fuel line in the Midwest, where E85 actually exists.

>>3326871
The petrochemicals industry is far more crucial and far more difficult to replace with substitutes compared to just burning oil.

Fucking this, a shitton of stuff is made from oil, even your aspirin

>>3326847
>Dutch Nazi propaganda
>showing Americans destroying German monuments, rather than Dutch ones
gut goy, die for ze reich

Holy shit the oil corporations are paying shills to post propaganda for them on 4chan now?

>>3328074
>now
This is some /pol/fag's attempt at trolling. Real industries and business do a much better job at marketing to the point where you don't even know it's marketing.

>>3326484
>corn grain alcohol (which would have made more sense in every way

Don't be retarded.

>>3326031
thats because its associated with USA warmongering around middle east

>>3326031

Required reading

http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/03085140903020598

https://www.versobooks.com/books/1020-carbon-democracy

Plus all the climate change stuff, obviously. We get 200 years of "free" energy, and then every generation afterwards will be repaid in kind. Our generation is probably the last to enjoy cheap energy while also beginning to face mounting consequences.

The creation of the Oil Industry was necessary for the foundation of civilization as we know it. In the future, an oil industry must remain, as petrochemicals can't be replaced in things like plastics, etc.

However, for our energy needs, the time for oil has passed. We aren't dishonoring the past, we are acknowledging that humanity has moved forward, and now we aren't reliant on oil as an energy source any longer. In the face of climate change, it would be foolish to continue down our current path.

>>3326871
bio fuels are not viable.

Brazil is destroying their rainforests to grow sugar cane. so they can supply themselves with ethanol fuel.

the usa is going to face a massive crop failure due to the high intensity mono crop corn farming needed for ethanol. we're destroying the bees and polluting fresh water and the ocean with fertilizer, pesticides, herbicides, etc.

>>3328434
>implying society couldn't be better than it is today

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>>3328434
> The creation of the Oil Industry was necessary for the foundation of civilization as we know it.

>>3328442
Biofuels are viable from algea, especially kelp grown in "ocean farms".

It filters sea water, reducing nitrate polution from agriculture wash off, improves ecosystem by providing additional habitat and is one of the fastest growing things available.
It yields a big amount of biomass with very few inputs.
It is also a valuable and nutricious food and animal feed crop.

>>3326763
>Magnet Motor
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHW6b1aFPfU


There's no conventional batteries hidden in your free energy dildo. And it's not based on the energy stored in the magnets themselves. It works because of how the magnets are situated in relationship to each other. The magnets are fixed at a certain angle and certain spacing to each other. The fan spins because of the magnets pushing and pulling on one another. to quote you "it's really that simple" Now if he were to attach more magnets that rotated around copper windings, it would generate power. The reason it's not set up this way is to prove to all you high priced educated types that it actually works. If there were wires that you all could see you would think that it was plugged in somewhere. Now if you were really as educated as you try to portray, you would ask questions about stuff you don't understand instead of spouting a bunch sh*t you learned in some text book. If i were you, I would take your Newtonian vector mechanics back to wherever you got them and get your money back.

>>3326598
I notice that you haven't highlighted any of the fertility reducing measures that involve government spedning of any sort, that seems strange.

>>3326031
>the green revolution

not worth it in the long run

>mass transportation

electric motors could have easily worked, its just that oil was discovered in texas right when electric and petroleum motors were competing in the market, so the gas engine became much cheaper

>>3330364
>implying the oil barons (Bush/Rockefeller...) dont own the government
>implying the oil barons (Bush/Rockefeller...) didnt setup CFR that rules world govt

>>3330367
see >>3326492

>>3326484
>wireless electricity (tesla)
Stopped reading here.

>>3330388
start reading here

The World Wireless System was a turn of the 19th century proposed telecommunications and electrical power delivery system designed by inventor Nikola Tesla based on his theories of using Earth and its atmosphere as electrical conductors. He claimed this system would allow for "the transmission of electric energy without wires" on a global scale[1] as well as point-to-point wireless telecommunications and broadcasting. He made public statements citing two related methods to accomplish this from the mid-1890s on. By the end of 1900 he had convinced banker J. P. Morgan to finance construction of a wireless station (eventually sited at Wardenclyffe) based on his ideas intended to transmit messages across the Atlantic to England and to ships at sea

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Wireless_System


https://www.acs.org/content/acs/en/pressroom/newsreleases/2010/august/electricity-collected-from-the-air-could-become-the-newest-alternative-energy-source.html


An electrodynamic tether is attached to an object, the tether being oriented at an angle to the local vertical between the object and a planet with a magnetic field. The tether's far end can be left bare, making electrical contact with the ionosphere. When the tether intersects the planet's magnetic field, it generates a current, and thereby converts some of the orbiting body's kinetic energy to electrical energy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrodynamic_tether
Over-The-Air Charging Is The Future
http://www.eetimes.com/document.asp?doc_id=1328746

>Efficient wireless transmission of power using resonators with coupled electric fields

http://lod.org/misc/Leyh/Papers/NAPS2008Final.pdf

http://books.google.com/books?id=TwegAgAAQBAJ&pg=PP11

http://arxiv.org/pdf/physics/0611063.pdf

As a direct beneficiary of the oil industry the best thing about it is the employment and compensation for generations of people, the rising tide.

bump for interesting thread

>>3328086
>/pol/
>/pol/
spotted the reddit fag

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>>3326674
still believing rockefellers/rotschilds helped hitler
k alex jones

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>>3326484
>wireless electricity (tesla)
Teslas hate it! Learn how one long strand of metal humiliated wireless power transmission with this one simple trick.

>>3326574
>Hydrocarbons
>Not renewable

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>>3326638
American economic thought for at least the past 60 years has been heavily aimed towards short-term gain over long-term security. It's why we spent so many hours, dollars, and bodies getting genocidal morons into power over in Africa because they'd be willing to sell us barrels of oil for 20% cheaper than the other guy.

>>3330332
God forbid people who understand a subject don't entertain quackery.

>>3326031
Uneducated plebs will always have retarded views.

>>3326469
Energy is expensive. Nuclear is loads cheaper than all renewable but hydro at the end of the day.

>>3332960
this board hates Tesla? the more you know...

>>3333850
/his/ has always been a robber baron shill board, newfag

>>3333280
It's actually not. A new Nuclear facility takes decades in negotiation, financing, and construction as well as tens of billions of dollars just to set up meanwhile the price of solar energy is falling every year.

>>3333280
>Energy is expensive.
the biosphere would like to have a word with you

>>3334492
>Wireless power transmission
>Feasible
>Practical compared to wires
>Hurr
>Durr
Not everybody who disagrees with you is a shill, brainlet.

>>3334545
that statement would only be valid in the stoneage

>>3326484
You can't make plastic from corn my friend. Oil is everything.

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>>3334578
Unlike wireless power transmission on a national scale, which would only be valid in fantasy.

>>3326313
>war
>globalization
>bad

what has liberalism wrought

>>3326031
Early oil barons weren't Jewish, and competed in media

>>3326484
>corn grain alcohol (which would have made more sense in every way)
Thanks anon. I needed a laugh.

>>3333850
I love Tesla, but recognize he was just a brilliant autistic savant and not some sort of electricity god. Wireless electricity as anything other than a specialized thing is a meme.

>>3335109
you can charge a phone with inferred now.
but top kek on your Tesla opinion

>>3326031
It is seen as evil and backwards because of the Oil industries refusal to adapt to better technology to preserve their chokehold on the energy market.
There are so many documented cases of oil companies either subverting or ignoring better, cleaner tech.
One of the more low hanging examples of this was when they discovered that having lead in gasoline, meant that tons of lead was being pumped into the local atmospheres of populated areas, which caused health issues.
They fought against removing it because they would have to produce unleaded gasoline, which I can only assume meant they would have to pay to modify their refinement process.

>>3335118
Yes and it's inferior in every way to wired charging. Like I said, outside of specialized applications it's a meme.

>>3326031
Relying on chemicals for energy is primitive. Nuclear is the best energy producer in the universe.

>>3335140
Nah, capturing already extant energy expelled from stars is the best.
Why create a nuclear energy reactor when there are trillions already available?

>>3335148
Because fusion is the best energy producer in the universe fucktard.

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>>3326432
>Free energy literally rains from the sky during the day
>Literally flows across the planet daily carried by ocean currents
>Only requires one machine (solar panel/turbine), and immediately wires it into the power supply for the entire grid

>Somehow this is less efficient than drilling fucking holes into the planet to pull out unrefined dinosaur remains and processing that into a chemical that releases shitloads of CO2 when used after you buy it from some poo for $2.50 a gallon

Way to invert basic economic principle, retard.

>>3335164
Stars are fusion reactions numbnuts.

>>3326031
Because they don't or didn't evolve with the times

>>3335173
Do leftists really believe this nonsense?

>>3335201
Wanna dissuade me, cocksucker, or are you gonna just act like you're surprised?

Oh wait you can't, you don't have facts to back up anything you're saying and just cast aspersions on others to make your own non-arguments stand tall.

>>3335201
>Do leftists believe that energy exists in natural forms and harnessing it with modern tech is possible.
Every person who isn't egotistically invested in the opposite being true believes this you fucking subhuman.

>>3335173
Oil is mostly fermented ferns that degraded in such a way because of the lack of nitrogen fixing bacteria, brainlet

>>3335041
Liberalism is directly responsible for all those things, the West can't stay Liberal without engaging in constant proxy warfare and Globalization to maintain their quality of life.

>>3326031

- ripping out los angeles' streetcars in the 60s
- being friends with the saudis in the 70s
- first gulf war in the 90s

only now with their turn towards domestic methane (wrought by fracking and offshore drilling) are they starting to be a net good for society for the first time in fifty years

>>3335041
Liberalism as in the actual centrist liberalism?

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>>3326432
Henlo.

>>3336988
psssst
go away
you can't make weapon grade material with that
how will we be able to justify enriching uranium?

>>3330332
Are there blue prints for building these things?
Is anyone already using them for electricity, vehicles and such?