Can we categorize Inejiro Asanuma's assassination as a self

I don't think so because using violence against people you disagree with is always wrong.

>>3318854
Except if they're nazi alt-right Drumpf supporters.

This dude probably saved half a billion lives in the timeline he was sent back from

>>3318833
We should categorize it as a monument of self sacrifice
TENNO HEIKA BANZAI

>>3318833
>Inejiro Asanuma wanted to reverse Article 9
It was the action of a Japan that wants to remain cucked.

>>3318854
Can we truly classify communists as people, though?

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>>3318833
DRIVE IT DEEP YAMAGUCHI

>>3318854

communists arent people

>>3318833
Absolutely, the only good C*mmunist is a dead one.

>>3318833
Asanuma was a Mao nuthugger so I really don't sympathize with him. I dislike Japs, but hate Commie bastards even more.

>this socdem could have, maybe, possibly, unlikely, in the future, allied with China
>therefore killing him was completely legitimate

Why do /pol/yps have such gigantic persecution complexes to the point where they need to use what-ifs mental gymnastics?

>>3321350
If they were winners, they wouldn't be systematically seeking out loser ideologies to adopt.

>>3318833
Of course.
Any action taken against Communists is by definition self-defense.

>>3321350
Never give a Communist an INCH, lest he take over your academia and turn your youth into Marxists.

The only thing Communists deserve is an unmarked grave.

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>>3321369
You're completely blinded by ideology if you think unrequited murder of people who's politics you disagree with is ok.

>>3318833
I don't Asanuma remember going up to him and threatening the guy. So no, it wasn't self-defense.

Can't wait till the DPRK nukes Japan. The fascist remnants deserve it.

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So was Yamaguchi basically the IRL equivalent of the Taxi Driver?

>>3318980
>>3319010
le epik XD!

>>3321417
Leftists literally aren't human

>>3321369
yeah just look at Japan, they didn't give commies an inch so now they have an entire generation that would rather be neets and not spent time with the opposite sex.

>>3322029
The fact all you can do is repeat an Orwellian trutsh you've been conditioned to accept only proves my point further.

>>3321417
>You're completely blinded by ideology if you think unrequited murder of people who's politics you disagree with is ok.
except commies think and say so all the time.

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>>3322996
>mfw your best counter argument is a literal whataboutism
>mfw a literal commie concocted and critiqued the term pure ideology
Pure ideology

>>3318862
alt-righters aren't human, more like failed imitations

>>3322092
The NEET epidemic in Japan is highly overblown, western youth are dropping out of the economy in a far larger magnitude.

>>3323019
> a literal meme philosopher

>>3322996
>we'll show we're better by stooping to their level

>>3318854
If he saved Japan from becoming a Soviet "ally" then he did a good thing.

>>3321350
Wasn't he openly supportive of the Chinese Communist Party though?

>>3318862
>/pol/ aren't made up of bitches, they said

>>3318869
how?
by killing some irrelevant Japanese politician from a failed party with zero prospects for power in Japan?

He saved Japan from communism, it wasn't self-defence but time proved him right.

>>3323123
It's almost as if it's a consistent thing among post-industrial states and that Japan is singled out because certain people want to have a reason to diversify it because largely ethnically and culturally homogenous states are a no-no in the globalist world.

>>3325076
>>>3323123
>It's almost as if it's a consistent thing among post-industrial states
Except Jepen has it worse.
> Japan is singled out because certain people want to have a reason to diversify it because largely ethnically and culturally homogenous states are a no-no in the globalist world.
Half the time these """"certain people"""" tend to think about their own countries and not others.

>>3323264
That was never going to happen though

>>3325076
Any nation can copy Japans "Homogeneous culture", just stop including ethnicity in your population data

>>3318833
I love the weakness on this guy's face. his posture, pleading for the young man to stop, rather than squaring up and fighting back.

>>3325275
Yeah because you would fight a guy with a sword with your bare hands, would you not? Back to /pol/ please, faggot

>>3325275
I love the fact that he has 4 arms and 4 legs and still couldn't defeat or outrun him

>>3318854
mentality of the weak

>>3318854
he still deserved it

>>3325330

>using /pol/ as a default insult

you are responsible for /pol/ spilling out

>>3325395
shit like 'muh honor' is /pol/ tier

nobody with a brain would fight someone with a sword with bare hands

>>3325401
>Ooh he has a sword, guess I'll just die
Have you never been in a fight?

>>3325401

>calling everything /pol/

this is why it no longer works

>>3325410
you fucking run away idiot

>>3318862
A pox on both your houses.

>>3325430
He's a fat cunt being ambushed, how the fuck is he going to run away? The best he could manage was grabbing the blade to not die

>>3319220
>trying to help the poor and uncuck your country is evil

Jesus christ you people are fucked

>>3321369
He wasn't even a communist

Ironically, now Japan has an enormous communist movement likely in response to decades of right wing domination

>>3325481
Japanese "Communism" is really weird though, it advocates being Americas friend

>>3325401
>shit like 'muh honor' is /pol/ tier
lol since when are values like honour and a good death considered values of an edgy politics board that tries to be as contradictory towards society and mainstream culture as possible?

>>3325554
I hope you realize 'honor' and a 'good death' aren't valued by society at all, it's not the middle ages anymore

>He saved Japan from communism
Do you have any idea of Post-War Japanese history, or are y'all repeating what /pol/ told you?

>>3325275
He just had a sword pulled from his insides, give the commie a break

>>3323123
>The NEET epidemic in Japan is highly overblown

Prove it

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>>3325612

>>3325275
>Politician not so tough since being stabbed.

>>3323414

There are some people who think going back and killing some Austrian art student failure would save lives too. Everyone is irrelevant, right before they're relevant

>>3318854
Trudeau Is that you??

>>3325368
Why?

>>3325499
Not really no, one of their big causes is removing US troops

>>3321417
Jesus Christ grow the fuck up

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>>3322092
NEET epidemic? Prove it. As far as I know Japan is the last disciplined country on earth. Doubt you can argue otherwise.

>>3325554
"""A good death""" is fantasy lit bullshit with no basis in facts or reason and no implications on politics.

Further proof that the alt-right is just an aesthetic movement of Western liberals who are vaguely traditionalist and don't like brown people.

>>3325707
>As far as I know Japan is the last disciplined country on earth
I'm pretty sure the 80s ended a couple of decades ago.

>>3325612
>>3325624
Rekt

>>3325431
>falling for shit bait

>>3325703
>wont fight facism, wont fight communism, wont do anything except take in refugees after ideologies destroy the world

Yeah, grow up.

>>3325714
The Japanese are the only people who continue to reject all other cultures and that's good enough for me, seeing as the Japanese are one of the most culturally superior peoples on the planet

>>3325723
>Dude freedom of speech lmao.
>Dude punch Nazis/Kill commies for disagreeing with me!

>>3325699
>grow the fuck up
>being against political assassinations is childish

>>3325740
>nobody's bad!
>every belief is Good
>Take no action while inequality grows

I remember when I was 13 years old

>>3325819
Cool buzzwords you just inserted into the discussion. If people like you ever had power we'd be watching our mothers and daughters being raped because "lmao all people r good all violence is bad"

Thank God there are grownups who protect children like you

>>3325829
When did I ever say everyone is good?
Wanting to murder people for their political beliefs makes you way closer to those damn commies you hate so much.

>>3325275
It's a movie reenactment

>>3325837
I don't hate anything, I try to look at things 100% objectively and without emotion. Politics is all-encompassing and therefore a person's political beliefs can range from economic opinions to physical action taken against other citizens. Youre telling me that under NO circumstances should people be killed for their political ideology and I'm telling you that's the most childish conclusion anyone could reach regarding a solution to malevolence in the world. Especially if it's a foreign ideology invading your country. There are circumstances in which the murder of people based on their political beliefs is justified. Especially when their belief is the destruction of law and society.

Sure, maybe they should be tried first. I'll give you that, but stop acting like everybody who has a political opinion is willing to sit down and have a debate.

>>3325707
>>3325735
For someone who praises Japan, you seem to know quite little about it.

>>3325840
No. It even won the Pulitzer in 1961. It's absolutely legit.

>>3325968
Best argument in the thread!
LMAO! /THREAD

>>3323264
Worse than that. He wanted Japan to be a Chinese vassal. Guy was funded by Mao.

>>3325991
It wasn't supposed to be an argument, just letting him know that he is a weeb who is pretty clueless about Japan.

>>3326005
How will he ever recover?

>>3325997
>Industrialized country vassaled by an economically wrecked China of the 60s.
That's stupider than the Soviet angle.

>>3326018
>implying the economic outputs of both countries weren't the same

>>3326023
During that time, China was literally fresh from the Great Leap Forward's damage.

The only thing Asanuma has in relation to CCP was his edgy public visit there in 1959 where he declared America as an enemy of both the workers and Asian people. Even local Jap Socialists thought that was too much.

>>3325689
he's a commie

>>3325463
When has a commie ever helped the poor?

>>3325997
No he didn't you fucking pseud, he wanted to Japan to move away from US influence and have a cooperative rather than aggressive stance toward China

1960s Japan was immensely more wealthy and industrialized than China, so there's absolutely no chance of them becoming a proxy

>>3325563
Fuck society, I want to be respected by people worth being respected by.

>>3326117
Communists are the reason why we have a weekend!

Communist policies in Russia and China dramatically improved the standard of living by abolishing subsistence agriculture and bringing new medical and cultivation technologies to the countryside.

>>3325709
t. beta and proud

>>3326139
I think I will speak for everyone when I say

HAHAHahahhahaAHaha

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>>3326117
The Soviet Union!

>>3325709
>"""A good death""" is fantasy lit bullshit with no basis in facts or reason and no implications on politics.
>greek soldiers being told to return either with their shields or on them
>only those who died in battle or childbirth get to get into Valhalla
>bushido based on choosing death when there is a choice between life and death
>the christian concept of martyrdom
>the roman concept of falling on your sword
>m-muh fantasy lit bullshit

What are you even doing on a history board, you retard?

>>3326162
wtf I love Stalin now

>>3326163
We don't live in a feudal society anymore.

Honor and aesthetics have not been significant forces in world politics since the industrial revolution.

>>3326169
So? That doesn't mean the concept of a good death doesn't still exist, nor that it's a "fantasy lit bullshit with no basis in facts or reason"

>>3326038
nah he was a boring socdem

>>3326117
they're very good at industrializing and fighting off invaders

Literary rates and medicine access also went up in every communist country except Cambodia I think

>>3326173
It's completely subjective, dependant on the attitudes of the beholder and the moral standards of the time

A good death is the ultimate feels > reals

>>3326182
No shit dipshit, never said it wasn't, and as you can see in my post I pointed out that cultures have different definition of a good death.

>A good death is the ultimate feels > reals
STEMsperg detected.

>>3326192
Burden is on YOU to say why a "good death" is important in our current political environment. It's an irrelevant anecdote, with no more importance than a leader being tall or good at tennis.

Japan was NEVER at the risk of going Soviet if you faggots actually read just a teensy bit.

Hint 1: the party back then is still the same party today.

>>3326204
Look, nibba, never said it was (and after all, that is a subjective opinion) I was merely making fun of you for saying that it's fantasy lit with no basis in facts when it clearly is an actual, historical thing.

Also, just personally, but I think that everything one does in life one should try to do perfectly, dying included

>/leftypol/ trying to whitewash the most genocidal ideology in human history again

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>>3323019
Sick meme bro

>>3326242
Unimaginably more people have starved to death under capitalism than under socialism.

Every decade, deaths from child malnutrition alone nearly triple the loss of the Holodomor.

https://data.unicef.org/topic/nutrition/malnutrition/

>>3326260
There we go there we go.
"Poor people exist so let's put faith into the system that never worked and only contributed to the poverty"
Meanwhile global poverty levels are decreasing thanks to the only system that is able to do so.
Fucking mental illness. I really wish some of you priviledge motherfuckers knew what it's like not to have freedom or a chance to improve your conditions, own the fruit of your labor, start a new enterprise. I'm glad we blew you the fuck out.

>>3326179
They always kill ore of thier own than the invaders do

>>3326283
We've talked about this in the other thread. One good thing abbout communists is that they killed their own. Sneaky enough to avoid their own Nuremberg but at least some of them got some comeuppance.

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>>3326260
Compare the two maps. REALLY makes you think.

>>3326270
Socialist policies increased the living standards of Russia and China greatly.

Global poverty is decreasing slowly, and only because free trade policies allowed first-world corporations to move to cheaper labor pools of people who would otherwise just be subsistence farmers.

>>3326289
When I noticed green in Africa I already knew it was Botswana. It's the one that is actually normal.

>>3326270
Owning the fruit of your labor is called communism, anon

>>3326290
Socialist policies butchered "Russia" and China. Greatly. Then in China Deng Xiaoping started his reforms.
You build the wealth of your nation with the wealth of your people. If you allow them to get richer.

>>3326294
No it literally doesn't. You're mistaking it with seizing the means of production. Which is theft. Stealing something that someone else invested in.

>>3326289
What does economic freedom mean?

>>3326294
>be forced to work in a government owned factory after standing in a breadline for four hours
>literally can't quit your job or start your own business
>at least you didn't have to voluntarily sit in an office for $2000 a month

>>3326304
It's easy to start a new business, the taxation is bearable. Things like that.

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>>3321350
Funny, I dont really remember many leaders of the individual nations in the eastern bloc being chill with Stalin, but that didnt stop him from cucking their countries to support his regime in the name of "socialist unity."

They would have just been another demographic for the Chinese hegemony to abuse and eventually integrate, like they did with the koreans and tried to do in Indochina.

>>3326307
It gets even better. At first Lenin promised each peasant a piece of land. But he also introduced so-called war communism which meant that the peasants didn't own anything that grew on it and had to give it all to the army.
Then Lenin took their land too.

>>3326304
Capitalism, as opposed to socialism. Freedom to choose how you make your living, low regulations, protection of private property

>>3326312
At first Cuban revolution was also seen as moderate.
Cold war had so many proxy conflicts there was always a chance of Japan becoming unstable in the future.

>>3326316
>Capitalism, as opposed to socialism.
But the socialist Nordic countries are graded as free as the USA.

>>3318833
>Can we categorize Inejiro Asanuma's assassination as a self defense situation?
Yes, it was the spirt of Japan defending itself against foreign infuence

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>>3326270
Communism hasn't worsened poverty. You're a liar. In nearly every country which has had a communist revolution, redistributive policies greatly improved quality of life, most notably in access to food, education, and medical care.

This chart from Vox illustrates the incredible economic growth created through Soviet policy, lifting the country out of the devastation of the civil war in less than ten years.

>>3326321
They're not socialist. They have social programs and a welfare state, but the market is still overwhelmingly free. The USA has welfare, government regulated healthcare, subsidies for certain fields, regulation on housing prices in some cities etc.

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>>3326316
It's better to just ask wannabe commies where they stand on the issue of private ownership. If those great, compasionate humanitarians are actually willing to force everyone into giving it to the all-mighty unacountable state there's no hope for them. Like Kim Philby who after emigrating to the Soviet Union and seeing what shithole it was decided that "at least it's a beautiful system in theory"
Every fucking time.

>>3326321
Do you think that made them rich? If so then in what way?
Gonna answer to you now. No, but they've accumulated enough wealth that they can afford the welfare state. For now. It can't last forever.

>>3326334
This is why communism is so much more insidious than any other ideology. It's a beautiful system in theory. If you hear the ideas of islam, nazism etc. you will feel emotionally repelled unless you're already indoctrinated. But communism preaches equality, prosperity for everyone and freedom from the evil oppressive capitalists, and entire countries fall for it again and again and are invariably ruined by it.

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>>3326299
That's not correct.

Dengism helped China because it opened up the country to the global resource market, with the downside of giving up many Chinese proletarians for foreign exploitation. But the Chinese would not have been able to sell anything if not for the economic growth and industrialization accomplished under Mao.

The rise in life expectancy is one of the most dramatic indicators.

>>3326302
The means of production are seized to prevent the ongoing theft of surplus value

>>3326318
>At first Cuban revolution was also seen as moderate.
Maybe if all you read was what the New York Times had to say about him and ignored the fact that Castro frequently spoke peace and moderation in his interviews while holding hostages and carrying out bombings during the actual revolution. It has been said that the Cuban revolution would have failed if it weren't for American media portraying him as the under-dog hero, completely taking the possibility of US intervention off of the table while he consolidated power.

[spoiler]didnt mean to get pulled off-topic there, just wanted to put my 2 cents in about cuba[/spoiler]

>>3326316
But all of those red countries are capitalist except for Cuba, North Korea, Laos, China, Vietnam, and Venezuela.

And in those last three countries the economy is primarily controlled by private companies, not the state or worker collectives.

>>3326346
You have to live through it or have family who remembers.

If a country is a shithole they will believe that there's someone holding you back that is an easy explanation why you're not very rich. It's almost like in mercantilism when people believed that wealth is something fixed and finite. This can be overcome with proper education. Or not. Intelectuals like the ideas of socialism. It seems so simple for them and since they've already made it they can focus on being good. Or appearing to be good. It has a long history starting with "The Days that Shook the World" or New York Times covering up Holodomor. Or "useful idiots" from the 60s worshipping violent communist killers because they didn't like their own government and didn't know what communsm was like.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_long_march_through_the_institutions

And now countries like United States have a large group of students who don't know what capitalism, socialism or for that matter fascism means. Words lost their meaning.

>>3326360
I wouldn't be surprised. Of all the media NYT has probably the worst history of protecting communist interests.

>>3326346
Show me any country not called Cambodia that had a permanent net decrease in standard of living after the adoption of socialism

>>3326387
Almost no place in the world had a net decrease of standard of living over the 20th century due to industrialisation of the world. Most socialist countries were shit to begin with and stayed shit compared to every country that's not socialist and boomed to standards that were impossible before the 20th century. I know we'll disagree on this, but Venezuela would be an obvious example of a country that turned to shit after becoming more socialist.

>>3326443
Well a number of them were recovering from some kind of war too.

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>>3326456
Is this a parody of the "left can't meme" thing or an actual failed attempt at a meme?

>>3326443
So then you must admit that saying countries are "invariably ruined" by socialism is not true.

Socialist countries are less wealthy than the West because they were very poor under feudalism and capitalism. But nearly every socialist revolution has risen the majority of the population out of extreme poverty, and all without having to exploit the vast majority of the third world.

Socialist third world countries exhibited faster growth than capitalist third world countries, and without surrendering political autonomy to the West and laying bare their natural resources for foreign profiteers. Compare Cuba to its neighbors or Maoist-era China to India at the same time.

>>3326458
Some leftist made a kinda funny comic mocking right-winger rhetoric and then a child ruined it by adding Pepe in MS Paint

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>>3326179
>they're very good at industrializing and fighting off invaders
Oh no, if only Communism had saved Japan from becoming yet another unindustrialized backwater. Fuck you, Capitalism

>>3326471
So what made rich countries got rich because of capitalism but it also made poor countries poor. Until socialism saved them.

You know what. Wherever you are. Give socialism one more try. Please do.

>>3318854
This single act saved Japan from communism. It's proabably the single most effective use of political asassination in history.

>>3326489
>This single act saved Japan from communism.
Japan's socialists and the communist party have always been fringe, you idiot.

Hell, you could even say they are bigger now compared to the Cold War after all those economic crises and the "lost generation" memes of the nineties. And STILL they are fringe.

>>3326489
What about Chris Hani? The dude wanted to become a second Mugabe.

>>3326488
Capitalism works great for a select few countries in the core of our economy, most of them former imperialist powers who industrialized before anyone else and created trade networks that spanned the entire world.

The only capitalist countries outside the core that really benefit from this system are those like Panama, Chile, the Gulf states, and Turkey, which are closely aligned to core nations economically and politically and may someday have the same economic wherewithal as Sweden or South Korea.

>>3326489
He was a social democrat, not a communist. His assassination probably only enabled the Japanese radical left, which includes the largest communist party in the developed world.

>>3326489
Japan was never at risk of communism, it's like if a retarded student assassinated Richard Spencer and decades later some idiot claimed it stopped America falling to Nazism

>>3326521
It works wherever people are allowed to produce and sell and keep their money. That's capitalism.
It doesn't choose which country it works in.

In Europe it was something that was emerging in late middle ages/early modernism. In Britain Victorians had it better than Georgian peasants for example. Evolution. But still many Victorians lived in poverty. But next generation had it better and so on. That's the way child labour disappeared. In India they tried to abolish child labour BEFORE reasons for its emergence disappeared. As a result it was more expensive for employees to hire children who in turn earned less money and so it continued.

All of the many many well-documented failures of socialism prove that planned economy and all attempts at control of economic desires of the people are doomed to fail.

wasn't he a dirty commie? Does it even count as murder?

>>3318854
Communists want to take my property and kill me. All actions against them is self defense.

#PunchACommie

>>3325463
welcome to 4chan sweetie

>>3326325
>This chart from Vox
KEK. Isn't Vox some shit redditards watch?

>>3326294
giving the fruit of your labour to the state with the threat of being sent to a forced labour camp is the reality of communism, anon.

>>3321417
You're blinded by ideology if you think human lives actually are special

>>3325401
>muh honor is board-I-don't-like tier
Woman detected

>>3326351
>The rise in life expectancy is one of the most dramatic indicators.
>HURRRHUR MAO WAS GUD BOI LOOK AT LIF EXPECTANCY DAT MEANS MAO WAS GUD
Or maybe, the increases are from the peace after decades of conflict
>鬼佬
>对某事有一定的了解

>>3318833
Bump because this thread is pretty comfy

Also I was a bit curious about the topic and read somewhere on Google docs that the Japanese LDP and Zhou were undergoing a trade pact and that even the politics revolving around Asanumas assassination didn't stop the tradetalk between the two countries. Is this true or did I miss something completely in the thread?

>The author argued that most economic relationships found between Japan and China are seldom spoiled by international/domestic politics.

>>3321369
This.
>>3322092
Any fate is better than communism.

>>3325463
No ideology has killed more poor people than communism.

>>3318833
Leftists are nu-males and as nu-males they deserve to be bullied to death by Alpha-males

>>3327047
It's Hillary/Obama orthodoxy. Very anti GOP and also anti socialist

>>3327048
That isn't communism, that's state capitalism. Essentially all communist strategies besides Marxism-Leninism reject nationalization.

>>3327523
Feudalism and capitalism have killed hundreds of millions, probably over a billion in their centuries of existence.

During the 20th century, where state socialism existed on a wide scale, you were far more likely to die in a capitalist country than a socialist country. The only nations which outpaced the socialist world in development were those of the capitalist core/First World.

>>3325563
'society' is the Antichrist, a being that hates life and loves death. Of course they would hold death itself at no value.

>>3325823
>THEYRE BAD BECAUSE I DISAGREE WITH THEM KILL THEM ALL REEEE

>>3325881
Objectivity doesn't exist you fucking redditor, you aren't a fucking corpse. Stupid fucking nihilist

>>3326169
Because it was replaced with nihilism and pragmatism, two diseases of modernity.
>>3326182
Reality doesn't exist, sperglord.

>>3326289
Australian propaganda.

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>>3328783
Holy fuck you except anyone to believe this bullshit? Listing all people who might've lived longer if they were richer since the dawn of humanity
Do you think this place have many Berkeley graduates?
This endless "failure-try again" cycle of socialism needs useful idiots like you but don't fucking expect people to buy this on a history board of all places with many people actually knowing that socialism offers jack shit in terms of lifting people out of poverty if it doesn't even allow you to earn your own damn money as a free man? Because we exist and we're glad we destroyed that mongoloid of all ideologies.

>>3328814
But this is false! Any empirical analysis of China or Russia under socialism shows a sharp rise in quality of life. Every account of history has shown this.

I felt like you do about socialism until I actually studied the history of the Soviet Union, which I did for several years. I would recommend you do the same. You'll be shocked at how many of your presumptions are not based in fact.

>>3328853
What quality? China has been de facto colonized in the 19th century. It fought civil war for 20 years.

Situation in Russia was also unstable with all the WWI casualties.
And then came the commies and started their usual butchery. War communism, colectivisation, anti-national purges. In a year killing more than tsars in a century. What quality of life? During Lenin's rule alone the Bolsheviks had to crush peasant revolts. It was a prison of nations and no one teaches hatred of communism just like communists themselves and they require useful idiots from more lucky countries who refuse to learn how this looks in practice.
Even near the end in the 80s in its least genocidal period it was an endless cycle of empty shelves, food rationing, state brutality whenever people protests, no personal liberties. That's socialism. It's all it's about and it cannot be reformed.
Just like Venezuela today. No wonder it looks so familiar. Champagne socialists refuse to acknowledge its existence now.

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>>3328908
what's that fuzzy thing next to this hand

>>3328913
A corsage

>>3318854
>I don't think so because using violence against people you disagree with is always wrong.
This is retarded. Say a man is strongly of the opinion that he should kill me and take my stuff. I disagree with him, but he cannot be swayed by discussion. Is it then wrong to use violence to defend myself?

>>3329426
>Man just talks of killing you and taking your stuff.
>You preempt him by killing him instead.
>yfw you're now charged with murder.

There's a reason why there's this thing called "the justice system." Where you could report said man's threats.

>>3328900
Epic meme. There are threads occasionally about life in the USSR. You should look into them. People were poor but it's nowhere like the hellhole you describe.

>>3327400
>implying Mao didn't cause that peace by ending the civil war, gaining popularity among the common people, and driving out the foreign invaders

>>3326443
>Almost no place in the world had a net decrease of standard of living over the 20th century due to industrialization of the world
Clearly you don't know what Cambodia, Zimbabwe, or basically all of fucking Central America are.

>>3329545
It was from 1917 to around 1956 when it was genocidal regime on unthinkable scale. Afterwards it was still an oppressive poor shithole but gradually more and more resembling a real country. And this process of course is the reason why there's no USSR anymore.

>>3326325
That's just industrialization you idiot.

South Korea, Japan, and Germany all grew faster than the Soviet Union after WW2.

If you want another example, China grew faster after privatization and economic liberalization than they did after redistribution and collectivization.

After the easy gains have been reaped, countries that still run their country on communism all stagnate due to their domestic products being uncompetitive internationally, and lack of access to markets to fuel continued growth.

>>3329553
>all socialist and former socialist countries
What did he mean by this?

>>3326338
Especially not if they import hundreds of thousands of unemployable third world peasents.

>>3318854
Does it even matter if the fuck died? Japan seemed to have done pretty good after the war anyway

>>3329782
>unemployable
Quite the opposite. Somebody has to water the plants, wash the dishes, build the roads, and deliver the mail.

>>3325554
Because the idea of an honorable death died with the advent of the machinegun and that you now just become one of hundreds mowed down accomplishing nothing.

What did people exactly think was going to happen if this guy won? It's Japan, change there is extremely slow regardless of political slant, and more importantly the socialist party was never going to become big.

More importantly, the guy was not particularly popular. He never would have become prime minister because that position is chosen internally by the winning party, which was going to be the LDP yet again.

>>3330084

Those are jobs that could be going to the actual citizens of that country.

>>3330084
We have plenty of natives to do those jobs.

>>3330196
Then why the fuck aren't they doing them?

Immigrants, used to a lower standard of living, are more likely to tolerate their own exploitation.

>>3330537
Because, doesn't matter how good you are, you can't compete against someone willing to work below the legal wage, it actually punishes law abiding citizens.
Deport Julio and Juan, then Cletus and Tyrone will take over for a slightly higher wage.

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>>3330190
> It's Japan, change there is extremely slow regardless of political slant
>political slant
>slant
I C waht U did there

>>3328908

N-Nani?!

>>3328908
H-hayai!

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>>3318854

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>>3326289
lmao senpai

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>>3318833
Yes he did nothing wrong #punchcommies

>>3318854
FPBP.

It was self defense.

>>3326364
stop bringing actual arguments into this CIVILIZED DISCUSSION

>>3318854
Euronymous pls go back to your grave.
t. Varg