Is Chomsky right? Was the Soviet Union not real socialism? I

>>3314044
there has been no seal communist country or a true socialist country, that begs the question if the system is actually achievable at all or if Stalinism and its ilk is the only possible outcome of that path

Yes, we have been convinced the Soviet Union was socialist because of American and Soviet propaganda. The truth is real socialism hasn't been tried yet.

>>3314062
FPBP

Socialism isn't actually possible, so when attempts to implement it fail its defenders can truthfully denounce them as "not real socialism."

>>3314044
>PolPot did nothing wrong

>>3314044
It's the natural result of trying to implement it

doesnt matter, what is true socialism? youll never have that like a textbook case

what ppl should learn is that it cannot be forced, you can work towards it and if enough ppl agree with it, theyll establish it, but never as a minority spread the revolution kinda thing

>>3314062
We couldn't fly until we could.

>>3314044
Marxism leninism is a form of socialism. The Soviet Union was therefore socialism.

>>3315886
Socialism doesn't work.

>>3314044
>Was the Soviet Union not real socialism?

Yes, by definition. Why is this even a question? Why was this ever a question?
For 100 years socialists bitch and moan how its not real socialism, and everyone else still doesn't get it.

>>3315940
Is North Korea democratic? Just because Soviet propaganda pretended to be socialism doesn't change that it wasn't. THE WORKERS DID NOT HAVE CONTROL OVER THE MEANS OF PRODUCTION. By definition, it's not socialism

>>3314044
It is only real socialism if it results in a communist utopia.

>>3314044
>I mean the workers clearly did not have control over the means of production.
They did, the government was staffed with workers who set five year plans, the factories were run by workers, and all the profits were distributed among the workers by the central government. How is that not worker ownership of the means of production?

>>3314085
>The truth is real socialism hasn't been tried yet.

Cambodia achieved it.

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>>3318208

nah, Cambodia was the first anprim regime in history.

>>3314062
/thread

>>3315895
>theft
>unnatural
No thanks.

>>3318242
huh...you maybe right.

>>3317420
Nigga you are preaching to the choir. Read that post.

>Question: Was the Soviet Union not real socialism?
>Answer: Yes, it was not real socialism, by the definition of socialism. Socialist have claimed its not real socialism since its creation a century ago.

>>3315895
we didn't fly by making a birdsuit and flapping

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>>3314044
It was socialistic, but it wasn't socialism.