Why is Hitler generally seen as more evil than the other 2 dictators

More clearly defined intentionality tbqh.

>>3312538

First of all, the numbers are fake news. He was just honest about how he felt about jews. Because of that, the ridiculous numbers almost seemed believable (unless you actually work out the math)

But anyways at least Hitler was honest about how he felt about jews, that's much more honest than the other spineless "leaders" of that era. Wouldn't expect you to know much about honor though. Realizing that honor is an almost uniquely white european trait.

>>3312536
Why Himmler in the Mao spot

>>3312536

He just sucked at his job.

>>3312536
Because Stalin won the greatest war his people ever faced and presided over its modernization.

Because Mao presided over the end of one of the most dire times in Chinese history and presided over its modernization.

Hitler, uh, started a war he never had any chance of winning, got millions of his own people killed for nothing, and basically did nothing of note for Germany except bring it ruin and destruction.

>>3312536

Because Hitola was conquering Western Europe while Mao and Stalin were exterminating fellow chinks and (sub)Slavs, respectively.

Additionally, the latter two actually won their wars and internal power struggles - so they and their clique had more of a say in the recorded history.
Criticizing that dead fuccboi Hitler was easy, criticizing Great Leader of Glorious Struggle was a death sentence when he and/or his buddies were still around. Rest of the world either didn't give a shit or didn't know what was going on because information suppression was so successful.

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>>3312536
>Why is Hitler generally seen
Without segueing yet ANOTHER one of these threads into another argument about whether the Holocaust was real like this cunt >>3312565, let's assume that "generally seen" means the general public, which as a whole believes that the Holocaust is true, whether or not they are correct.

The answer is because Hitler had camps primarily for the explicit removal of an ethnic group. Stalin did the same during the purges, while still massive (1.7 million), but most of his deaths were from famines, and it's difficult to establish whether this was due to gross mismanagement, an attempt to reduce Ukrainian opposition or a deliberate attempt by Stalin to remove the Ukrainian people altogether. So it is possible that Stalin is worse than Hitler but historical scholarship is not entirely sure.

Similarly, most of Mao's deaths were from what was clearly idiocy rather than any deliberate intent. Mao clearly thought he was doing the right thing with the 4 Pests Campaign and the Great Leap Forwards, and his brief decline following the cessation Great Leap evidently shows he did not intend this to happen. The Cultural Revolution, while clearly targeted, was not nearly as systematic in its killing intent as Hitler's camps.

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reminder

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>>3312624
Re-reminder

>>3312616
>Mao clearly thought he was doing the right thing

>Falling for the Kantian ethics meme

>>3312569
>whitewashing

>>3312536
Hitler
30 millions of Slavs + 5 millions of Jews + 10 millions of Germans + others > 5.5 millions
Study the Math

>>3312536
Worse PR firm. Plus, suicide. Plus, lost. Plus, Jews.

>>3312684
Vodka is empty calories tho

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>>3312624
>>3312684

>how can famines be real if our food aren't real?

It's simple.
Jews are important in Western society.
Ukranians, Tatars, Russian dissidents, and Chinese aren't. When the relatives of gulag survivors don't run your entertainment industry there isn't much pressure to pump out film adaptations of the Gulag Archipelago.

>inb4 I get told to go back to /pol/ for pointing out the obvious
OP asked the question, I just gave him the correct answer he was looking for.

>>3312536
nazis were brutal against everyone who wasn't them
communists shat on everyone equally

>>3312816
>Brainlet egalitarians are so obsessed with people being treated equally they give the moral high-ground to indiscriminate mass-murder.

>>3312536
Hitler lost while Stalin turned Russia into a global superpower
Mao unified China, modernized it and turned it into a great power respected today.
Victors write the history.

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>>3312829
Pic related is worse, you brainlet and there was no soviet plan to commit indiscriminate mass-murder of groups of people.

>>3312536
The western intellectual class has a strong internal strain of sympathy for Stalin and Mao's ideology

>>3312814
this i cannot accept as an explanation. Stalin and his successors were not exactly known for their philo-semitism.

>>3312565
>way_of_the_closed_fist.jpeg

>>3313076
This right here. The reason Communist symbols are acceptable and fascists ones aren't is because modern Leftists differ from Stalin and Mao not by kind but by degree, so they ignore and sympathize with all his shit.

This is why even in commie-hating America, if you wore a hammer and sickle and someone made a scene of calling you a communist, he'd be the one escorted out or arrested, whereas if you wore a swastika you'd likely outright get your ass kicked.

The Communists were ten times worse then the Nazis, yet because the western 'social democracies' sympathize with them, they get a pass for killing easily ten times as many people as the fascists did.

>>3313072
tell that to the kulaks.

>>3313072
So 6,000,000 Ukrainians did not starve to death because the communists killed all the kulaks.

Good to know.

>>3313108
I disagree that they differ in any meaningful way.

>>3313108
Well, it's hard to argue that economic redistributivism sounds as ill-intended as racial purity. Like it or not, one is always going to more palatable even if both wield an incredible appetite for political violence.

>>3313123
The estimates for holodonor is about 2-3millions, not 6. Not that it makes it somehow better.

Communists and kikes control all western educational institutions so they shit on the nazis more than on the gommunists

>>3312536

because he didn't like jews and jews run the media today

fucking idiot

>>3313132
In the former Soviet Union millions of men, women and children fell victims to the cruel actions and policies of the totalitarian regime. The Great Famine of 1932–1933 in Ukraine (Holodomor), took from 7 million to 10 million innocent lives and became a national tragedy for the Ukrainian people.

>>3313199
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor

>>3312565
Yeah I can see your point, I don't think it's controversial really anymore to say that much of the world's major media outlets were owned by Jewish people. Common sense will tell you they have an interest in inflating the body count as much as possible.

>>3313092
He carried only three relatively small anti-Semitic campaigns, and throughout his rule Jews were overrepresented in the positions of power and underrepresented among victims of repressions. Under Stalin, out of 7 chiefs of GULAG, 4 (Eichmans, Kogan, Berman and Pliner) were Jewish. The first director of NKVD was also a Jew.

>>3312814
It's also important to note that the Jews were one of the chief engineers of the genocides carried out under Stalin. Kaganovich played a key role in the genocide of Ukrainians, while Goloshchyokin played a key role in the genocide of Kazakhs.

>>3312536
>Hitler
>5.5 million
>civilians deaths in USSR alone more than 20 million during ww2 + 3 millions of pows and 4 mill military

>>3312536
Because he killed people for a worse motive than the other two

>>3313239
>communist killed way more people with retarded economics but that doesn't count because they weren't evil, just bumbling retards.
How is this better?

>>3313302
Not saying it is, it's just how society sees it.

>>3312536
jews in charge of popular culture

>>3312695
WE

>>3313132
Just once I want a scumbag like you to respond with "oh, I didn't know that. Thanks." when you get caught talking out your ass. Just once.

>>3313072
Pic-related never actually happened.
If you're going to pull out General-Plan Ost to support your thesis, then I shall pull out the inevitable multiple megadeath level famines and purges that would occur if Communism was implemented on a global scale, to support mine.

>>3313321
oh, I didn't know that. thanks

>>3313127
>Well, it's hard to argue that economic redistributivism sounds as ill-intended as racial purity.
The only reason you think that is because you're not imagining yourself as one of the people having their wealth redistributed.

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>>3312536
Because we judge how evil they were based on what they did, how they did it, and why, generally not how many they killed. It's not the fucking genocide Olympics.

>>3313217
but what about all this? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_Anti-Zionism

Nuremberg. Since Germany lost, they had their trial, and all the evidence was laid bare. Good luck today, even after the fall of the USSR, getting access to Soviet records regarding their totalitarian crimes.

>>3313217
>the Jews were one of the chief engineers of the genocides carried out under Stalin
>two Jewish guys means "The jews" were responsible
And I'll bet you howl like a wounded dog when feminists blame all men for rape

>>3312986
>modernized it and turned it into a great power respected today.
No he didn't. China didn't start becoming what it is today until dengs reforms.

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>>3313217
> Kaganovich played a key role in the genocide of Ukrainians, while Goloshchyokin played a key role in the genocide of Kazakhs.
>"""Genocide"""
there is absolutely NO historiographic evidence for any "holodomor" in terms of deliberate genocidal intent. Nobody denies that there was a severe famine in Ukraine in 1932-33 that cost millions of human lives. Funny thing is, there were at this time famines in other parts of the Soviet Union as well (but they conveniently don't get much mention by the revisionists who cry holodomor all the time).

And why did this man-made famine happen? Because of the forced collectivization and de-kulakization that the Soviet government did in its attempt to wrest away power from land owners (who were disowned, had their property and grain seized, and sent en masse to gulags and worked to death). The key here, though, is that this was not limited to one particular ethnicity and therefore cannot be deemed as a genocide of the Ukrainians in particular.

But let's just for the sake of argument go with the crazy idea that this (collectivization, de-kulakization) was indeed a plan to genocide none other than the Ukrainian people. If so, last time I checked, the key figures involved in, and tasked, with undertaking "the holodomor" were Vyacheslav Molotov, Lazar Kaganovitch, Pavel Postyshev, Stanislav Kosior and Vlas Chubar. And now guess their ethnicities. Kaganovich is the only Jew, everyone else isn't. Therefore, the majority of those that were responsible for any holodomor would be non-Jews. But that doesn't fit all too well into the revisionist narrative, does it?

>>3313199
>The Great Famine of 1932–1933 in Ukraine (Holodomor), took from 7 million to 10 million

general census of the population
Ukraine
1926 29,018,187
1937 28,387,609

>>3312536
>Why is Hitler generally seen as more evil
He's not, really, they're all despised.

Also, the numbers in your pic are wrong.

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>>3312536
Nice meme

>>3313353
>we judge how evil they were based on how much energy pop-culture devotes to arranging periodic Two Minute Hates to their memory
ftfy

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>>3313381
You have to take into account the natural population growth rate you turboautist tankie neckbeard

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>>3313386
>283,000

>>3313381
You'd need 1932 and 1933 numbers, sweetie.

>>3313373
You sound like a Holocaust denier.

>>3313392
don't feed him...

>>3313396
Not an argument.

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>>3313399
>muh feelings

>>3312536
Hitler is a loser. He lost.
Stalin and Mao however were winners so you can't sneeze at that.

>>3313401
No, just an observation.
:3

>>3312536
Well he started a war that ravaged europe and the people that got directly or indirectly killed because of him were mainly jews and europeans which also own the biggest propaganda machine in the world called hollywood.

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>>3313404
*tips fedora*

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>>3313408
>he started a war

Source?

>>3313076
Pretty much this. You don't see university courses teaching Nazi propaganda, unlike the other way around. Universities have been the hiding places for marxists and other far leftists for decades. They fled there after communism was universally reviled after the red scare and the revealing of Stalin's crimes in the 50's. Also conveient that their pupils in the 60's ended up being far leftist radicals as well and although ended up being neo-liberal shills later in life they still hold elite positions within our society and promote radical progressive agendas.

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>>3312536
Simple. One's ideology was killing all inferior races. The other was based on "deception" of false fairness and theft.

Hmm... I wonder which one is worse analyzing the attempts.

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>>3313419
Here you go, bud
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invasion_of_Poland

>>3313373
>there is absolutely NO historiographic evidence for any "holodomor"
Wrong.

>(collectivization, de-kulakization) was indeed a plan to genocide
You're mixing up different events.

>>3313425
I am too high to start this long flame war again but you are wrong

Well quite frankly, why you kill has a little more bearing over how many you killed.

>>3313435
He's not wrong though.
>high
dude lmao

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>>3313373
you took the tankie pill, comrade

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>>3313435
>Invade a neutral country that has its independence guaranteed after repeatedly being warned not to
>Be surprised when the people who were allied with the country you invaded declare war on you
>Lol no we didn't start the war xD

>>3313442
I'm no tankie.

>>3313435
>"punch my friend and I'll punch you back"
>*punches Poland anyway*
Wow, how dare those war-thirsty Brits actually follow through on their agreement to go to war to protect Poland if Germany invaded.

The G*rms knew what would happen, but they did it anyway. Next, I expect you'll tell me how union troops being in fort sumter was actually a declaration of war against the confederacy, despite the fort being federal land.

>>3313435
>*takes another deep hit*
>Besides...
>*exhales*
>the WWII never even happened, it was all faked

>>3313423
The Nazis had no interest in killing "all inferior races", their goal was simply the advancement of the German race and the attainment of their "natural" position as Masters of the world. The Nazis genuinely believed they were doing the "inferior races" of the world a favor by eradicating the Jews and placing themselves at the head of the table, much like how a stray dog benefits from deworming and being placed in the home of a benevolent owner.

>>3313470
>the Nazis believed they were doing Slavs and Gypsies a favour
Yeah, no.

>>3312616
>4 Pests Campaign

Was there contemporary skepticism of this campaign? Did a well known academic or ecologist in the world publicly guess what would happen and call Mao a retard?

>>3313451
>le kulaks deserve it

Hmm... yeah totally not a tankie argument, germanophobe anon

>>3313480
You realize there are more people in this world than Slavs and Gypsies right?

>>3313391
>>3313393
Simple modelling not accounting migration shows

if natural growth of population was
a) 5% per 5 years (optimistic) then max number of famine victims was ~3.4 millions
b) 3% per 5 years then max number of famine victims was ~2.3 millions

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>>3313373
>it's not genocide when your kill your own people.

Brilliant!

>>3313367
What? I never said that all the Jews were responsible for Holodomor, that would be ridiculous, I'm merely said that some of the people who engineered these genocide were Jewish. God, you are so politically correct it hurts.

>>3313396
Holodomor deniers are always told that they sound like Holocaust deniers, but Holocaust deniers are never told that they sound like Holodomor deniers. I wonder why..

>>3313669
>It's also important to note that the Jews were one of the chief engineers of the genocides carried out under Stalin.
>the Jews
That is literally what you wrote. Don't get mad at me for 'misquoting' you when I'm directly quoting your post.

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>>3313687
You forgot Bengal genocide deniers.

>>3313455
>"punch my friend and I'll punch you back"
>Doesn't actually punch back and then just watches Germany and USSR beat the shit out of and then sodomize Poland
>When he finally decides to "punch back", doesn't even have the balls to declare war on the USSR which also attacked his "ally"
Okay Bong

>>3312536

Stop and think about how many the krauts would've killed if they had won.

There's your answer.

Stalin saved Russia.

>>3312695
>Himmler
>white

>>3312536
He represented a true (albeit as widely bloody as communism) struggle against globalism and a pre-destined global hegemony, passing from Britain to the United States.

I actually talked to a WWII vet who claimed to have never heard anything about the Holocaust when in Germany or after returning home, until the late 60's-early 70's. I honestly think Hitler's crimes are a flash in the pan, of those murderous times, and that they're purposefully distorted for their interruption to another century of perfidious hegemony.

>>3313347
Which is fucking easy because most people are poor.

>>3314796
Let me guess, you're one of those posters who attack Britain and France's """hypocrisy""" for not declaring a war against both Germany and Russia, despite the fact that they could never win that war. Also, you might recall that, after the war, Britain along with the US and the remaining western powers did fight Russia, indirectly.

>>3313302
This whole thread is about who is perceived more evil, opposed to more autistic.
Which for most people is hitler, because he wanted the systematic genocide of a whole ethnic group.

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>>3312536
jews own the media and hollywood and can convince people they suffered more by making movies/headlines.
>mfw it actually works

>>3313711
Well he's right, even if backpedaling. Juden were behind communist crimes. Based Stalin that only got to real power in mid 30s removed them during 1937-38 Great Purge from government and NKVD positions and now everybody pretend said purge was going for 70 soviet years and was against soviet people and muh 25 or 30 or 50 or 100 gorillions nevar forget.

It's highly debatable whether Stalin did kill more people than Hitler, Stalin's death count (while still millions and millions) was overexaggerated in the West during the Cold War. Who actually killed more also depends exactly what you blame each of them for.

Here's an interesting article on the subject.

http://www.nybooks.com/articles/2011/03/10/hitler-vs-stalin-who-killed-more/

>>3312536
Mao and Stalin killed people through incompetence and plain old bad luck.

Hitler killed deliberately.

>>3315555
Stalin was responsible for all these crimes. The biggest being of course the Soviet famine of 1932/1933.

>>3315624
Ignoring the ones they DID kill deliberately of course, but the bulk of those deaths were from collectivising the farms.

>>3313092
>literally gives a safespace to the jews, supported Israel, and made it a capital offence to hate jews

Stalin is the definition of shabbos goy

>>3315041
Your vet was uneducated then. There were films about the holocaust made already in 1945.

>>3313546
Well, you're right. Even Ukrainians estimate that 3.9 million people died during the famine in Ukraine. But people also died in Kazakhstan, Volga Region and some other parts of the Soviet Union. 10 million is probably an exaggeration, but 7 million is definitely possible.

>>3315633
>Stalin shabbos goy
But his surname was JEWgashvili

>>3312565
6 Million weren't gassed.
6 million were killed, also honor is not killing Jews that were assimilated well into Germany.

>>3316077
Why would you honor those who believe that the gentile is on the same level as livestock?

>>3312536
Because jewish globalism won the war :^)

>>3312536
Hitler planned on killing much, much more people.

>>3313493

Asians hate all wildlife, this sort of shit gets 100% approval even if it was implemented today.

>>3312536
>5.5 million
It was 14 million at the lowest count
It wasn't just Jews, storm fags don't even know basic history. What a surprise.

>>3316165
>the leftist useful idiot claiming others are stupid

What does jew boot taste like?

>>3313419

yeah, AFTER Germany declared war on invaded Poland you ass.

>>3314796
France and Britain were planning to attack the USSR and saw them as Germany's ally in the early part of the war.

They had plans to help Finland after the Soviet invasion but these were hampered by Germany threatening to attack Sweden if Sweden allowed its territory to be used to aide Finland against Germany's ally. Then the Winter War ended in a peace treaty before Britain and France could get involved.

Britain and France also had plans to directly attack the USSR (see Operation Pike) but then Germany invaded and BTFO out of France (and the British Army of course), which put an end to any plans by the Allies to take the war to the USSR.

>>3316182
slavs were targeted in systematic starvation and killing campaigns
back line ss were doing most of the killing ya big DUM DUM

>>3316244
>the leftypol shill thinks and talks like a child
Why are leftypol shills so stupid?

>>3316254
shill nothing
you can barely speak

>>3312536
>Hitler only killed 5.5 million people
Are we just going to ignore the fact that he started WWII then?

>>3316519
The Soviets started WW2 tho

>>3313687
>but Holocaust deniers are never told that they sound like Holodomor deniers. I wonder why..

I'm assuming you're implying it's because academia is dominated by tankies whose sociopolitical narrative relies on overplaying Nazi atrocities while down playing Marxist ones.

>>3316526
>The Soviets started WW2 tho
How?

>>3314967
If the Krauts had won no one would have died because they'd actually have been able to use British maritime resources to pull off their hare-brained Madagascar Plan. The Holocaust was entirely a product of the Nazis LOSING not Nazi victory.

>>3315057
Exactly.
It's easy for the majority to justify persecuting minorities.

>>3316559
By invading Poland, duh.

>>3316579
Are we going to ignore the fact that the germans did invade Poland as well?

>>3316570
I meant it as a justification though.

>>3316586
Are you going to ignore the fact that the "Allies" did too?

>>3316589
Yes, just like Hitler did.

>>3316264
>the anti white shill is this delusional

>>3312616
>several neutral countries offering free food to starving communists countries
>they always deny it to suppress rebelinh nations and peoples
> he was just unaware of what would happen!! He didn't know!!! Mis management!

you're delusional

>>3312536
He would have slaughtered and gassed and exterminated more if he lived longer while in power.

>>3312565
>First of all, the numbers are fake news.
Where in the absolute fuck do you live where the 6 millions is considered "news"?

>>3312536
Its not about killing. nobody gives a shit if you kill people. People give a shit if you commit genocide and target a specific group of people. The worst mao did was invade tibet, which is still protested today. stalin didnt kill anyone because he hated that group of people, he was just cold blooded.
Its like people who think BLM is ironic because of black on black violence. Nobody gives a shit that blacks kill blacks, thats not the problem. The problem is racist fucks killing members of a particular group they dont like. Black on black violence isnt a hate crime. Just as Stalin letting a town burn isnt a hate crime but burning a group of jews is.

Hitler killed people from countries that weren't his own. Communists only kill their own people.

You'd have to be pretty dumb not to understand the difference.

>>3313108
But the Communists weren't ten times worse than the Nazis. They were equally bad, the real difference is that they were militarily and politically more successful than the Nazis, so they had a chance to kill more people, whereas the Nazis were stopped in 12 years and only ever gained power in a limited area.

>>3316899
Killing your own people is worse than killing people in other countries

>>3316878
It's not about killing.

It's about winning.

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>>3316878
>The worst mao did was invade tibet

Nope, when you are the "leader" of your country you are the ultimate responsibility, that's included every abuse act or incompetence, (doesn´t matter the intentions). In Mao's case he never accepted their mistakes and any criticism to him was seen like a disrespect to his authority.

>>3316901
Killing 10 times more people makes them equally bad.

You should sue every teacher you ever had.

>>3316899
See>>3313552

>>3316746
now he uses the green text too wow

>>3316920
It's auto-genocide.

Like Pol Pot, Mao, and Abraham Lincoln.

>>3316915
I mean equally bad per capita and on the moral plane, which would be perfectly clear from my first comment if you weren't functionally illiterate.

>>3316915
They didn't kill 10 times more people.

>>3316927
More like democide

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democide

>>3312684
That chart shows that Russia, before any Communist influence, was already beginning to have a higher caloric intake by the year. Just imagine what might have happened without Communism.

>>3316907
Not to people in other countries.

Tell yourself, who would you be less supportive of, the person committing genocide to their own people in a far away land, or the person threatening war on your doorstep?

Do it again Bomber Harris.

>>3316951
Possibly a civil war or right-wing dictatorship.

>>3316932
Is murdering two people worse than murdering one person?

i.e., How dumb are you?

>>3316937
Absolutely did.

>>3316950
That excludes battle deaths, tho, so the Civil War body count for democide would be much lower than, say, a good serial killer.

>>3317022
They did not. The Nazis started the biggest war in human history. The deaths are mostly their responsibility.
Stalin's death toll is maybe 12-15 million at most and I don't think you can say that Mao "killed" the people who died during the famine.

>>3316878
>Liberals
>Caring about genocide or discrimination
The only thing you libs care about is hating Whitey.

>>3316973
>Tell yourself, who would you be less supportive of, the person committing genocide to their own people in a far away land, or the person threatening war on your doorstep?

but the Communists WERE threatening war on our doorstep....

>>3317036
>b-but the Nazis!
I didn't know Stalin was a Nazi....

>>3313210
>Common sense will tell you they have an interest in inflating the body count as much as possible

Have you ever actually bothered to look at the censuses? The numbers have evidence behind them.

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>>3317025

Are you talking about Stalin or Mao? because both killed quite a bunch in their retarded collectivization policies and their even more retarded political purges.

>>3317019
or constitutional monarchy*

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>>3317036
>I don't think you can say that Mao "killed" the people who died during the famine.
It wasn't his fault right, those reactionary (((sparrows))) conspired against their plans.

because
>the number of people who died from things like massacres, prison camps, starvation, bombed out supply lines so no heat, etc. isn't easily attributed to either side
>hitler was in power for a lot less time than stalin and managed to kill enough that if he was in power for the same length, he would have killed more
>hitler lost

>>3312536
cause he had a bigger lunch table gang

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>>3317138
>liberals
>hating whitey
>doesnt care about stalin

>>3312536
Because he killed kikes who are a powerful international clique, rather than illiterate Chinese peasants or hohols

>>3313442
>statisticians are to blame
in china it is always more likely that they died (historical context :D)

>>3313467
LW

Because an ideology that promotes genocide and warmongering is more dangerous than a power hungry individual.

>>3315093
yeah he's an idealistic fascist
the only people who believe in ideologies are fundamentally idealists

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>>3312536
Because Hitler went to war against Britain, France, USA so western people were killed because of that

Stalin and Mao killed Rooskies and Chinks, wich nobody in western world give a fuck about. Their victims being an abstract number for the western citizen instead of images of London burning, Occupied Paris, dead american soldiers etc etc

>>3312536
hitler was intent on exterminating people simply because they were of a different ethnicity or religion or were homosexual etc. although stalin and mao killed lots of people themselves most of their victims died from starvation due to terrible economic policies.

>>3313072

What’s so bad about Latgalians?

>>3312569
He looked like a chink.

>>3316228
Yeah, except the whole part when England and the allies covered up Russia committing war crimes and blaming it on the germans. England wanted Russia as an ally before and during the war.

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>>3316878
>nobody gives a shit if you kill people.

Hitler committed the greatest sin that could ever be committed, he lost.

Because the Nuremburg trials happened, you can bet your arse China and the SU would be in the exact same position if there was an internationally disseminated court proceeding against them

>>3316228
>They had plans to help Finland after the Soviet invasion
They had plans to capture Narvik and invade northern Sweden so Germany couldn't get iron, the helping Finland angle just sounds better than starting an unprovoked war of aggression on 2 neutral powers

>>3312536
Because he was.
May I also ask where you come from, anon?

>>3316579
>By invading Poland,
There was no war though. USSR was at peace with great powers until 1941. All this revisionist shit is getting annoying.

>>3312536
he's not though, he's just more well known.

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>>3312536
>Hitler
>not 6 gorillion.

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>>3312717
Makes you think

>>3312536
for the same reason ed gein and charles manson are seen as more evil than any US president you dumb nazi fuck

>>3317197
Not after the revolution.

>>3317789
Yeah but the didn't even give him a chance! Maybe he woulda changed his ways and become an international protector of minorities. Or at least genocided just the filthy Slavs and left alone our brave boys in Western Europe.

>>3312536
FDR was the greatest and most evil Dictator anon.

>>3318547
Stalin and Mao killed you for not being a worthless poorfag, that's far worse than anything Hitler ever did.

>>3320877
Ah but here's the thing. If Hitler didn't think Stalin had hi back would he have still invaded Poland? This makes the Soviets complicit and by the extension the rest of the Allied powers.

Everyone and no one started AW2.

>>3316951
Without "communism" you still would have had the February revolution, which would have led to some sort of government run by mostly former peasants and laboreres who knew fuckall and would have ended up having a lot of the same problems the gommies did. That or progress would have completely ground to a halt and the memes about daily life in Russia in the lat 19th century would have become reality.

>>3321055
>well you see according to this Logics wikipage and this Semantics wiki page WW2 was actually started by Jews not commiting mass suicide please click like and subscribe and also if you want you can throw me a coupla bucks on Patreon before they close me down for loving free speech just a lil bit too much

>>3312536
Bush killed more people.

>>3313072
Doctored, fabricated documents don't count.

>>3312536
What could have Mao or Stalin done to prevent the deaths of that many people? Did they really kill those people?

>>3321182
their malicious incompetence killed those people

The Nazis were outright in their hatred. The communists masked their atrocities with positive language.

>>3321195
bullshit, if they had been "outright" they wouldn't have needed propaganda

>>3321079
>being this obsessed with Jews
>>>/pol/

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>>3321195
You only believe this because you have been raised to see hatred of foreigners as evil, and hatred of those who have more than you as virtuous.

The hatred and implied aggression in this Soviet propaganda image is every bit as naked and outright as the hatred of Jews displayed in Nazi cultural imagery, but because you do not see anything wrong with unsympathetic unflattering caricature images of rich men and religious institutions you do not notice that there is no difference between these images and those of Der Ewige Jude.

>>3321272
Not your safespace, SJW

>>3321272
reading comprehension bad

>>3321308
yes, you utter fucking moron, that's because people differentiate between not liking someone for his genetic ancestry, sexual orientation and similar things they cannot control and hating someone for things like fucking children, wrecking the economy for shits and giggles etc

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so i have a question for you holocaust deniers out there, i have often seen it asserted that jews own the media and jews obviously want everyone to think hitler was super bad so they inflate the numbers killed by him.

so, given this, considering that basically the entire fucking media is capitalist corporations as well as basically all governments everywhere, do they not all have an obvious vested interest in inflating the numbers killed by Stalin and Mao?

>>3312536
Two factors, one he lost so all his dirty laundry got published, along with the world powers hated his guts.
Two he was a lot more outspoken and loud about his hatred.

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>>3321334
"Fucking children, and wrecking the economy for shits and giggles" was literally the justification the Nazis used for hating the Jews.

The difference between hating people for "things they cannot control" and the things they are accused of doing is a meaningless distinction. Nazis didn't hate Jews and homosexuals because they pulled those groups out of a hat, they hated them because they believed Jews and homosexuals were incapable of not being nation wreckers and sexual deviants.

>b-but it's not fair to label all Jews and gays as immoral actors
But labelling everyone that has more money than you as a parasite that should be destroyed, because the capitalist bourgeoisie is incapable of being anything other than a parasitic class is a-ok right?

>>3321440
>"Fucking children, and wrecking the economy for shits and giggles" was literally the justification the Nazis used for hating the Jews.
and again you show yourself to be either a dumb fuck or an honest to god nazi because you're taking their words at face value while forgetting that their actions had nothing to do with getting rid of the pedophiles and economic "evildoers", but with killing jews in general, no matter their situation

>The difference between hating people for "things they cannot control" and the things they are accused of doing is a meaningless distinction.
it is if you're a nazi because then you can use sophistry to twist words into a more pleasing frame for your subhuman ideology

fuck off

>>3316564

>get BTFO at stalingrad
>take rage out on defenseless people

>win at stalingrad
>kill holokraut the slavs instead

>>3321440
>The difference between hating people for "things they cannot control" and the things they are accused of doing is a meaningless distinction
It is a major one actually. Fucking around the law is still better than just outright abandoning the Rule of Law. A state that pretends to have law but disregards it is damaged by such hypocrisy and will eventually improve or fall, a state that ignores it will erase the concept from minds it controls.

>But labelling everyone that has more money than you as a parasite that should be destroyed, because the capitalist bourgeoisie is incapable of being anything other than a parasitic class is a-ok right?
The capitalist can repent and give his capital to the workers. A jew can't just grow his foreskin back, he is stigmatised from birth to death not for his actions, but for his genes.

>>3321463
>If you believe the Nazis saw themselves as heroic figures fighting what they perceived to be evil, you MUST be a Nazi!
lol
Get a load of antifa over here!

>>3321193
Elaborate

>>3321487
>The capitalist can repent
Is that why the killed the Tsar?

>>3316564
Madagascar plan would be pretty much equivalent of Holocaust.

btw why do you think Nazis wouldn't execute the holocaust? After invasion of Poland they just stopped giving a fuck what does international community has to say about their atrocities, there was no incentive for a softer alternative to the Final Solution.

>>3321490
>if you misrepresent the argument in order to make nazis look better you might be a nazi

>>3321493
We are talking from ideological perspective, reality is an entirely different thing especially during a civil war.

Why are Americans not seen as being as bad as those 3?

>>3321514
Just compare US with the states mentioned and states belonging their sphere of influence.

>>3313347
That sounds like bullshit.

>>3321514
western propaganda

>>3313422
*tips tinfoil*

>>3321500
>Madagascar plan would be pretty much equivalent of Holocaust.
I doubt that.
Seems more likely to me that it would be the equivalent of the Soviet gulag system. Jews would certainly die and live miserable lives under the Nazi boot, but I don't believe deliberate extermination would necessarily be the goal.

>After invasion of Poland they just stopped giving a fuck what does international community has to say about their atrocities, there was no incentive for a softer alternative to the Final Solution.

Peacetime Nazi Germany loses the war-time "us against them" culture that allows easily justified repression of dissent, and all the issues roiling beneath the surface of German society like Aktion-T4 (which was deeply unpopular) and "where the fuck is the Volkswagen I paid for" now have to be addressed. Answering "The Jewish question", loses it's pressing immediacy as a concern once all the Jews are locked far away, and the administrators tasked with overseeing them no longer have the pressure of war-time product goals to adhere to.

In short I see victorious Nazi Germany sharing the same ultimate fate as the Soviet Union, slowly loosening restrictions and liberalizing as time goes by.

>>3313552
It wasn't genocide because he didn't target an ethnicity or nationality.

>>3316093
Most Jews didn't believe that. It's the Hasidim and Haredim that are the crazy ones.

>>3316093
Who believes that? Stormfags like you can only find Hasidic satanics saying shit like that

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>>3321511
So when Nazis kill Jews it's because of ideology and not because of the pressure of them being on the losing side in a world war, but when Marxists purge capitalists and "counter-revolutionaries" it's because they're in a civil war and not because of ideology?

Right...

>>3316914
>leaders are responsible for everything bad that happens under them
I guess Nixon and Johnson killed millions then.

>>3317138
le epic meme XDD

>>3312565
>at least Hitler was honest about his opinion on the Jews by killing millions of them

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>>3321491
Both Mao and Stalin did a massive campaign of forced collectivization killing not only evil landlords, but family farmers, also they used "questionable" agriculture techniques from asshat Lysenko (in stalins' case) and the infamous four pest campaign of Mao.
but the worse was the heavy politicized bureaucracy more worried to please the expectation of their respective leader and weren't told the true garbage of their revolutionary policies, all this ended in internal purges seeking for disloyalties.

>>3321453
This is utter bullshit. Some of those numbers are literally 20 times the actual numbers reported by groups like Amnesty International.

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>>3321571
Indeed.

>>3321541
see>>3316950

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>>3312578
>basically did nothing of note for Germany

>>3321568
>the holocaust happened after ww2

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>>3321383
Porky jews are the worst jews, comrade.

>>3321603
well fuck, it just clicked that you meant something entirely different so I'll use this post to say I fucked up
you're still an awful nazi cunt though

Most likely because Hitler was killing people for things they had no control over. Can't exactly decide to stop being ethnically Jewish.

>>3321608
>you're still an awful nazi cunt though
It's cool.
In 2017 one is either a Nazi or one is a Communist, and I certainly am no Communist.
:3

>>3313404

This

>>3313389

And a bit of this to

>>3312536

because Jews don't like it

That's it

>>3312565
>fake news.
This meme needs to stop. Not everything is fucking fake.

>>3321600
I wonder how germans felt in 1944. I mean it's obvious that your nation is losing and what to do? desertion, family immigration to sweden etc, or were they retarded enough to believe in victory still?
Or is it my blood talking, generations of my family avoided being sent to war and i give goy too much credit?

>>3321615
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>>3321906
MAYMAYS
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>>3312565
Killing people for their ideology or opposition to your rule (or because you are a retarded piece of shit) is generally less frowned upon than killing people for their birth/religion. You can change your opposition to a regime, you can change your ideology fairly easily for the average person. You have much harder time changing religion and you can't change your race. Stalin did exile minorities but it wasn't the venomous level of racial supremacism Hitler showed. Someone invoking Nazi use of blacks and browns and Russians in the Wehrmacht or SS as evidence of benevolence is as frivolous as if I suggested the Almoravids and Almohads loved and respected Christians because they enlisted Christian mercenaries. Protip: They didn't like Christians.

One can completely ignore the Jews and the Nazis still come off horribly for how they treated other Europeans. As bad as Stalin did? Debatable, but that's just a case of a tall devil and a small devil.

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>>3321600
>gone THE NEXT YEAR
uwow

>>3322287
DO IT AGAIN HITLER

>>3322022
>You can change your opposition to a regime, you can change your ideology fairly easily for the average person.
Not true at all, which is why I pointed out earlier that difference is utterly meaningless.
>OK OK I'M NO LONGER A CAPITALIST
We don't believe you.
>shipped off to gulag
>If you survive and are released you enjoy constant surveillance, diminished opportunities, and your children are considered politically unreliable, assuming they don't denounce you sending you right back to the gulag.

The whole "killing people for their ideology/opposition is less frowned upon" stance is entirely arbitrary, and entirely the result of leftist social engineering.

>>3312536
is attack on thot, and the nibba gang the worst iteration of memes so far?

>>3312536
because he was german. everyone hates them

>>3321615
you're shit posting on 4chin, bro
you don't really believe in capitalism anymore

>>3312536
Because Hitler happened in the West, you know, where actual people that matter live

>>3312536
Honestly, it's because of propaganda. Why the fuck should white people care so much about one ethnic group? Because jews have money and control of the narrative. Movies, songs, politics, museums, television documentaries, fucking everywhere, all to remind you, keep it in your heads and control you with it. The victors write history dum dum
I'm not even saying jews rule the world or anything, but damn can they ever be obnoxious. they control vital parts of contemporary society and use it for their benefit, not everyone elses.
it's arbitrary for white people to worship the holocaust
it's sick and weird for jews to worship the holocaust

>>3322783
yeah this is inarguable, and was maybe a valid response before Hitler, but Hitler forced the most valid justification for their Tribalism

o well, i'm hoping NSA guided and decentralized-transhumanists will enable the future

>>3322783
Because normal "white people" have empathy outside of "white people" and don't consider races to be hiveminds.

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daily reminder that /r/communism is literally trying to infiltrate this place

>>3322878
ok go vote for clinton 2020 young lady
off you go dearie

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I sincerely wonder how much of Holocaust denialism on this board is just bait.

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>>3322904
not only them

>>3322904
>>3322922
Daily reminder that stormfront has been infiltrating for almost a decade and /pol/tards use the same two images of leftypol and leddit as scapegoats every time they are trying to spread their own propaganda in /his/.

>>3322928
daily reminder stormfront is a government controlled opposition you dumb idiot

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>>3322928
>the same two images of leftypol

You mean this other one

>>3322928
Again with this secret stormfront chat meme?

>>3322940
That's just a myth perpetrated by the lizard people though.

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>>3322948
I don't know what "secret" you're talking about.

>>3322954
I mean the Swarmfront crap. Back in 2012 there were already leftist shills screaming /POL/ STOP BEING SO NAZI, YOU WERE JUST DUPED BY A STORMFRONT PSYOP, REAL 4CHAN WAS LEFTIST/LIBERAL!
Now 5 years later and leftards are pulling the same bullshit.
>infiltrating
Nobody infiltrated anyone, many people were just crossposters.

>>3322965
>2012
Stormfront started invading in 2010, newfag.

>>3322971
>it was real in my mind

>>3322949
you are stupid

>>3322978
t. lizardman

>>3322976
There was an increase in posters, there were threads popping up in stormfront, and yes, whether you like it or not there was a huge shift in "ideology" (although I wouldn't say 4chan was leftist). But whatever m8.

>>3322980
t. deviant homosexual

>>3322986
I was a registered user on stormfront since '98 and I don't remember a single "raid", just crossposters. You're literally lying.

>>3312565
>honor is an almost uniquely white european trait

The concept of honour exists literally anywhere a ruling class needs to manipulate a warrior class to do its bidding. Also:

>what are the Romans
>what are the British

>Germany
>"""""honourable"""""

>>3322940
>my side is retarded
>le controlled opposition

Literally every right-wing conspiracy theorist says this.

>>3323000
>crossposter make threads about 4chan
>gets more stormtards to 4chan
>4chan gets filled with neonazi retards
It's not a conspiracy. In fact, if you've been in stormfront since '98 and in 4chan since 2012, you're probably an example of this.

>>3323011
>crossposting is raiding/infiltration
You're fucking dumb. My home board is /k/, am I now "infiltrating" just because I post on /his/?

>>3323011
>>3323017
Also I've been on 4chan since 2008. 2012 is when I started posting on /pol/.

>>3323017
It's just semantics. A big amount of stormniggers started coming around 2010 and started spreading propaganda and fucking shit up. Use whatever verb you like.

>>3323027
No it's not semantics you literal orangutan, it's you being caught lying.

>>3323035
Whatever makes you happy, stormfront immigrant.

>>3323009
that's because you are ignorant of how we are controlled

I think people blame Hitler because he came first and a lot of the ugliness that came after was a reaction to the war. Stalin would have been a monster regardless but don't let that fact get in the way of your scapegoat.

Jews

>>3312814
* are parasites in western society
Ftfy

Because his evil involved everyone else. Stalin and Mao's evils were chiefly conducted upon their own or what they immediately took.

Also Hitler pulled his shit off remarkably quickly.

>>3323043
>scapegoat
>hitler
haha holy shit

>>3323364

Its like you have the memory of a goldfish, you see a disagreeable word at the end of a post and your tiny pea-brain can't remember what came before so you just lash out in an emotional stupor.

>>3323399
yeah, this wasn't one of my better moments

>>3312536
because he sucked that's why,

>died like a little bitch in a bunker

>>3312536
Because he pooped his pants numerous times throughout his adult life!

>>3323521
Heil Shitler!!!

I wonder how bad it smelled?

Probably worse than anyone else when they poop.

Probably worse than a baby's diaper when he's 4 and should be potty trained.

Certainly worse than any woman is capable of smelling.

And worse than any other guy with hypospadias, being such a rare condition.

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I FUCKING HATE JEWS

>>3323011
>being a neo nazi is bad
>but being a leftypol shill is okay
Why do you leftists want an anti white safespace?

watch ur back fellas

https://youtube.com/watch?v=r2FjkcGKcPA

>>3312536

Hitler killed people that actually matter.

Stalin killed slavniggers

>>3312536
hitler lost

stalin had no trials, unlike the nazi party

Jesus christ, what a shitty thread.
What are /his/ mods doing?

>>3321590
Merchantilism and feudalism isn't capitalism.
So the authrocities that happend before the 18th century can't be blamed on capitalism

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>>3321590
>>3324527
Tell them

>>3312536
because the other survivors didn't have victim complexes

>>3324360
>/his/ mods
Since when has /his/ had mods?

>>3323916
kill yourself

>>3322918
Damn right. Only winners vote for that useless douche!

>>3324979
Better than some corrupt murderer whore

>>3312536
Mao and Staline did mostly shit in their own respective countries, while Hitler went full retarded and invaded any country possible including neutral Netherlands and Belgium and bring Germany to being split for half a century after losing a shiton of population all for nothing

>>3313353
You judge things by what they tell you on your omnipresent TV, you fat cunt.

>>3325013
this
if you behave like a retard and slaughter your own people its not my problem but if you start raping other free countries it becomes the problem of all of humanity