Why we never learn about the muslim slave trade at school even

Because it wasn't racial specific chattel slavery that tried to morally and rationally justify the practice with pseudosciencific racial hierarchies

>>3310578
We aren't taught about the Taiping Rebellion either.

Or the Thirty Years' War.

Or about the Byzantine Empire.

We aren't taught about a lot of different things including the Arab slave trade, because just like in every other country, in America we're taught about history which is relevant to our country.

>>3310578

How much history does the average high school curriculum even cover?

>>3310578
didnt change anything, just shit talking and finger pointing to talk about it

>>3310578
Because history class usually covers the own nation's history. The topic about muslim slave trade is something that schools in middle eastern countries should have and not western ones.

>>3310578
Coz you aren't an Arabian living in a Arabian country to learn Arabian history dumbass

>>3310766
this

it's the same reason we don't learn the Paraguayan War in the West.
Or even Abos

>>3310592
Fpbp
>>3310606
>>3310754
Also this

>>3310578
>>3310759
Because public schooling is shit.

>>3310578
Because its not relevant. We don't learn about the american slave trade either, because its not relevant to us.
There is plenty of history and too little time in school to teach it all.

>why does this class that is only an hour or two a week at best, not cover the entire history of every single culture and period

>>3310578
Because it goes against the narrative that non whites morally just victims.

>>3310592
It was exactly that you braindead anglo cunt.

>>3311091
>Surely this is ((their)) doing

>>3310592
No racism?! Well then carry on with the chains and whatnot :^)

>>3310578
>Why we never learn about the muslim

Stop right there. They haven't been relevant since Suleiman.

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>>3311111
>>3310592

>>3310578
You want them to be mentioned for what aboutism, nothing more.

>>3310592
t. has never read what muslim intellectuals (lol) said on noggers

>>3310592

>Because it wasn't racial specific chattel slavery

Yes it fucking was you retard.

>>3310578
Because Semites control most curricula, and rarely speak bad about their co-Semites.

>>3310592
And award for dumbest mother fucker goes to *Drum-roll please* . . . 331059 . . . 2!!!

>>3311164
This. Gotta laugh in the face of any brainwashed retard that suggests Europeans invented racism.

>>3310578
Because we aren't taught about Muslim anything. In the US at least, history classes are a narrative starting with ancient Athenian democracy ultimately culminating in American democracy. The European slave trade fits in the narrative, the Muslim trade doesn't.

Oh sorry I mean ITS WHITE GENOCIDE

>>3310592
>Because it wasn't racial specific
Yes it fucking was you absolute moron, Arabs saw blacks as inferior infidels. Even when they converted to Islam they were treated as inferior.
>chattel slavery
It was literal chattel slavery. Do you even know what chattel slavery is? Although they did cut their male slaves' balls off, so no kiddies born into it (that weren't haldf Arab rape babies), if that's what you meant.
The Arabs were arguably more brutal than the Europeans in nearly every way.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zanj_Rebellion

>>3311256

Why aren't Arabs ever forced to apologize for slavery?

>>3311263
Why should they? Arabs have the right attitude, here.
It's the American 'sorry for sharing the skin tone of your great great great great great grandfather's opressor' mindset that's retarded.

>>3311256
We went over the Islamic Golden age in World History and the Arab slave trade was never mentioned (and yes, I went to an American public school in the mid-west)

>>3311256
>Oh sorry I mean ITS WHITE GENOCIDE

It is though,

>>3310592
Sure, they did it out of pure philanthropy.

>>3310578
dat boipussy though

>>3310578
For the same reason why they don't you about the bronze age empires in Mesopotamia. It's not in our region so not considered our history

>>3310578
it isn't relevant to the majority of school students in the United States
I don't know about England or Sweden, though, they might have to start teaching about that there

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>>3310759
>middle eastern countries should have and not western ones
>implying it's bad to learn about the history of all peoples

>>3310578
>Why we never learn about muslim slave trade? Goddamn liberals!
>Why do we have to learn about muslims in America? Goddamn liberals!

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>>3310592

I hate people like you anon, you probably think you are morally superior to others when you are literally a slavery apologist. You are NO different from dixieboos who say shit like "blacks were better under slavery!"

fuck you

>>3311263
When has anyone ever forced you to apologize for slavery?

>>3310578
It wasn't that influential in global politics.

One had minor revolts, the other lead to a bloody civil war that changed the direction of the most powerful nation on earth.

>>3311493
>a bloody civil war that changed the direction of the most powerful nation on earth
There has been no civil war in UK.

>>3311480
>u haffta pay reparations

Because that's what university is for, it's the states job to give you an education in preparation for higher learning, not to teach you every fucking thing that ever happened

>Be private schooled
>mfw the priests actually taught us world history.
It was some Jesuit university. My parents were Catholic.

Was really a surprise to know that public schooled peeps really start history edumacation with the Pilgrims.

>>3311164
>Negroes accept slavery
>they frequently eat each other
>many have seen that the ape is more capable of being trained than the negro and more intelligent
>they eat people
>they have no notion of a natural death
hmmmm

>>3311088
came here to post this

>>3310592
So, if you don't call them niggers, it's cool to own slaves?
really makes you think

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>>3311257
>>3311239
>>3311199
>>3311111
No it was not you fucking crybabies, as >>3310592 said slavery in the muslim world was not based on race

>b-but muh ibn khaldun quote about negroe nations being submissive to slavery
It's descriptive not prescriptive you demi-litterate brainlets, arabs did enslave people of every race regardless, they didn't need justifications

>b-b-but muh curse of ham
This idea originate from jewish thology and never made any kind of consensus in the muslim world


>>3310578
Because you ameritards are a bunch of cucks

>>3311263
Because unlike you they are not interrested in self-cucking

>>3310592
it was religious specific chattel slavery. where it was cool to have slaves as long as they weren't muslim. because that is all the non believers are good for.

>>3310578
>Why we never learn about the muslim slave trade at school even when they captured millions of africans and europeans for more than ten centuries?
Because Muslim countries are irrelevant and their social problems are of no concern to any of us. The race divide in America however is important.

>>3311804
>black president
>black, jew, hispanic supreme court justices
>every flavor of person but native american and pacific islander is in congress.

>>3311800
Not even, non-muslims living in muslim lands could not be made slave and conversion to islam does not remove the status of slave.

>>3310578
Because it's not directly relevant to American history. It should absolutely be taught in world history classes though

>>3311164
White supremacist propaganda

>>3311751
See >>3311746 you reddit piece of slime.

>>3310578
We do learn about the Muslim slave trade; it was the basis of the Barbary War covered by all high school history classes.

School curriculums rarely lend the same attention to Middle Eastern slavery as they do Atlantic slavery because does not have anywhere near the same relevance to American history and society. There is also not any present-day population of Americans who are descended from Middle Eastern slaves.

But none of this matters because you're trying to push the agenda that Atlantic slavery wasn't that bad if Muslims did it too.

>>3311939
>It's not directly relevant to American history
>What is the fucking Barbary War

I mean Jesus Christ, what the fuck is wrong with you people?
Why do you bend over backwards to avoid speaking ill of Muslims?

>>3311263
The Ottoman Empire apologized by literally being ripped apart.

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>>3311952
Nobody you quoted said anything about slavery being good when non-racist it you pathetic moralfag.

>>3311980
>But none of this matters because you're trying to push the agenda that Atlantic slavery wasn't that bad if Muslims did it too.

And he's right to do so.
If the equally as large Muslim slave trade that oppressed all races isn't worth talking about, then the Atlantic slave trade most certainly isn't worth talking about either.

>>3311995
>anime reaction images

cringe.

This ain't 2009

>>3311996
>whatabouting this hard

>>3310759
>Because history class usually covers the own nation's history.

But the muslim slave trade enslaved people from my country? Why do I get taught about the people from my country who traded slaves, but not those who got enslaved?

>>3311996
Both are absolutely worth discussing, but history classes lend unfortunately little attention to non-American affairs thanks to the blatant and unacceptably narrow scope of our history education, mostly driven by conservative state lawmakers who oppose expanding our liberal arts curriculum.

This is why most Americans don't know what the Byzantine Empire is and think the word socialism means "a powerful government".

>>3310766

Yet people in the US learn about how Gambian slaves were shipped to Cuba by Dutch sailors?

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>>3311989
>What is the fucking Barbary War
Maghrebi states being agressed by greedy anglos who didn't want to pay customs duties when entering the mediteranean sea.

>>3311343

Yes they did? What kind of retardo school did you go to?

>>3312019
Yeah, cause that same economic relation was the basis for American economic power up until the Civil War, a nearly apocalyptic conflict fought to preserve this relationship. Now, there are 40 million who are only in this country because of this relationship.

>>3311751
>demi-litterate
What did mean by this?

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>>3312002
>unironically use the word cringe
>has a problem with anime
>is still posting on a tibetan anime imageboard. You should go back to rebbit friendo

>>3312050
>he can't even greentext properly

inb4 I was pretending to be retarded

>>3312049
Litterate enough to have a faint idea of arabs saying mean things about blacks during the middle age, but not cultured enough to know what it was or what it meant.
And really here litterate enough is just having read some quote on /his/ 3 weeks ago.

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>>3312062
Hey everybody makes mistakes buddy

>>3312041

Are you aware that Cuba is not in the US?

>>3312119
Are you aware that the transactional relationship of Cuban and American slaveholders with slave-traders was effectively identical, and that most slaves in the US came through the Caribbean?

>>3312012
Either both are awful and worth discussing or neither are.

>>3312217
But one is part of American history and the other one isn't. Unless you are willing to invest so much in education to teach students all those shit then sure, but one definitely takes priority over the other

>>3312017
>It's the fault of conservative state law-makers that I place a higher priority on teaching an anti-Western narrative of history than a narrative that places events in their proper historical context.
K

>>3312169
>most slaves in the US came through the Caribbean

sauce on that?

It's my understanding that the slaves in the Deep South (which were the majority) came from the Caribbean, while most of the slaves that served in the Northeast down to the Carolinas were directly African sourced.

>>3312230

>everyone on 4chan is american

kill yourself retard

>>3312230
What the fuck are you even talking about with "investment"?
Throwing money at the problem doesn't add more hours to the day. The issue stems from educators prioritizing an anti-Western narrative over a balanced one and you don't need "mo money" to fix that, you just need to revise the curriculum.

>>3310578
Why do you never learn of Athenian, Spartan or Roman slave trade?

>>3312260
Feel free to ask OP if his question isn't in the context of America

>>3312261
>an anti-Western narrative over a balanced one
It is a narrative closet to the West so of coz they would focus on it.

>>3312261
You're delusional if you think spending more time on non-Western societies would facilitate a "pro Western" narrative.

A major reason why world history since 1800 is so poorly taught is because these lessons would inevitably implicate Western nations, including the USA, in various forms of colonial oppression that continue to the present. Any objective account of modern Asian and African history would necessarily appear anti-Western, because Western governments and economic interests were the primary oppressive force at the time.

Native activists like Ho Chi Minh or Gamel Abdel Nasser, who simultaneously struggled against Western domination AND the indigenous you hope to underscore, were universally opposed by Western suzerains who actually desired to uphold traditional, non-Western hierarchies to promote stability.

>>3312295

His experience is the same as mine, in the context of me not being a fucking American

>>3312261
>>3312233
Educators aren't prioritizing an anti-Western narrative. If they were, Western abuses of other nations would actually be discussed!

Some teachers are very progressive and seek to shed light on lesser-known hierarchies and forms of oppression within US society, but lack the professional freedom to discuss really any of the vast majority of Western or Western-backed systems of domination that existed in other countries.

>>3312028
One where history started in Greece, somewhere before their wars with Persia.

>>3312354
>shed light on lesser-known hierarchies and forms of oppression within US society

Accepting your premise, for what purpose?

None of this critical theory bullshit improves the building of bridges, provides a sound basis for understanding microeconomics, legal duty, or civic pride. It's like designing a science curriculum solely with the goal of teaching children to create toxic chemicals.

>>3311931
blacks could be free and slave owners in America doe

>>3311349
Why do people say things like this?

You are most certainly aware of the practical restraints of a curriculum, and why any educative body would give preference
to national, and sometimes local history. There are courses that touch upon this in university as I have learnt from experience,
but it is surprising to me that people seriously think that this can be fit into an already crammed lesson plan.

>>3312394
Are you sincerely asking why history teachers should teach history?

No undue bias is necessary to recount atrocities and hierarchies in which the American state was culpable.

>>3312405
But outside of Louisiana they very rarely were

>le history should try to be objective

I agree with this point in the way I would agree with socialism; if only we lived in a dream world.

The truth is, history started as a way to
remember a people's triumphs and grudges against them, at the end of the day, a lot of countries still see it that way. Trying to be objective will only lead to other countries' narrative dominating the public perception.

>>3312435
Please, read again and answer instead of dissembling.

>Accepting your premise, for what purpose?

>>3312436
Owners? Hardly matters if there wasn't a huge proportion, they could own slaves themselves and negroes could become free.

>>3310578
Who's going to teach it? The perpetrators? Or the people it doesn't effect? Or the slaves? Who do you think is going to stick their neck out, literally, to show that the Arabs have been slavers for 4000 years, and are ongoing slavers?

>>3312452
Nothing need be degraded. A more holistic and objective understanding of history is necessary to really comprehend what modernity means and how we got there.

>>3312436
William Ellison owned 40 slaves and 1000 acres in South Carolina.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Ellison

Freedmen in everyone of the 13 colonies owned slaves, as well as white indentured servants

http://www.jstor.org/stable/27567319?seq=1#page_thumbnails_tab_contents

>Thomas J. Pressly, using Woodson's statistics, calculated that 54 (or about 1 percent) of these black slave owners in 1830 owned between 20 and 84 slaves; 172 (about 4 percent) owned between 10 to 19 slaves; and 3,550 (about 94 percent) each owned between 1 and 9 slaves.
http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.2307/20064049?uid=3739936&uid=2&uid=4&uid=3739256&sid=21101760579761

>>3310578
Doesn't fit the narrative

>>3311164
Actually almost all of this is either specific to littoral Bantu in the land of Zanj or misquoted.

>>3310578
Because it's not very relevant to North American history.
Fucking retard.

>>3311751
>was not based on race
Yes it was, at least as much as the Atlantic one was based on race since there were plenty of non-black slaves in the US (whites, natives).
>It's descriptive not prescriptive
This is how the Europeans came to this conclusion, though.
>wow, the best place for slaves is Africa
>everyone in Africa is black
>blacks must be a slave race!
This was the logical line of thinking and both the Europeans and Arabs thought like this.
Frankly, you're beyond retarded if you think otherwise.

>>3314481
There were no white chattel slaves in America.

>>3314469
The Barbary slave trade, the casus belli for the first overseas war involving the United States, the reason 'to the shores of Tripoli' is part of the Marines hymn, is not relevant to North American history?
Kill yourself, retard.

>>3314490
Depends on what you consider debt bondage to be.

>>3314511
Indentured servitude is not chattel slavery. If you don't understand the difference or why that difference is important in a discussion about Western slavery you're either a dunce or intellectually dishonest.

>>3314501
It can't be too relevant if I managed to sleep through history class and/or forgot it being mentioned.

>>3310592
It literally invented the concept and used it for over a thousand years.

>>3310759
America's marines got most of their traditions by BTFO of Arab slavers.

>>3311164
>there's no marriage among them and the child doesn't know his father

SHIEEET

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>>3311256
>Because we aren't taught about Muslim anything.

If you are in the officer corps they literally cuck you by making wear a turkic muslim sword.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mameluke_sword

>>3310606
>Taiping Rebellion
I was
>Thirty Years' War
Only in Euro
>Byzantine Empire.
I was.
>relevant to our country
AP classes, especially world, should be (and are) specifically designed to ignore America and we straight skipped the little part about the natives. Didn't mention the Arab slave trade tho. Did talk about African kingdoms which was fun.

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>>3310606
US public schooling covered all that, Jr. High to High School - nevermind college or university.

...and if we learned that here - what third world did you grow up in? Seeing as how half the third world has better rated schools than we do.

They also briefly covered the Barbary slave trade, though true, not much more than to say, "There was a revolt, the Ottomans fell apart, and these pirates resulted from the mess, and thus this is a thing that was happening at the time".

Think we also had a brief mention of the Baltimore incident, and a brief mention of the first and second Barbary Wars, as part of the history of the decline of piracy.

Googled "Barbary Pirates" for a pic to post with this, and I actually remember this very picture from my High School history book.

>>3310578
All these naive fucking anglo americans in this thread who have no clue how insanely racist and hateful arabs are towards blacks.

You live in a fucking bubble people.

t. black man in germany with fuck loads of arabs.

>>3314520
How much of a cuck do you have to be to stick your neck out for blacks?

I mean who fucking cares about the small differences, blacks arent special creatures who are the only victims of happenstance in history.

What the fuck do you have to gain by maintaining their victim narrative? Seriously are you that masochistic and guilty that you have to come to their defense at every turn? I mean if youre black then i understand, milk the hell out of that narrative but if youre not then whats the point?

>>3315270
I thought this was a history board.

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>>3315281
>blacks arent special creatures who are the only victims of happenstance in history.

I will never understand the impulse to help those who cant help themselves.

>>3315285
I'm not sure how you're getting these wild inferences from my posts. Would you like to bring your posts into the realm of reality instead of lashing out at a strawman?

>>3315285
It's an empathy thing, you won't understand.

>>3315296
Your attention to detail has consequences which i know that you are aware of, you might have the intent of "truth" but don't pretend that such "truths" tend to advance/defend politically correct narratives today.

>>3315299
No, i wouldn't, i don't whore out my empathy to fill the void in my private life.

>>3315303
You deluded ideologue. If historical facts don't conform to your ideological outlook it's not the facts that are wrong.

>>3312354
>Western abuses of other nations would actually be discussed!
History classes are pretty much wall to wall one sided looks at every incident in history involving white people bashing brown people.

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>>3315314
>You're the ideologue, not me!! im completely 100% unbiased.

There is no man without an ideal, im just honest about it.